Will Casino go bankrupt before even starting?
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Originally posted by skythewood:
i don't think the gambler cares about the casinos rental or whatever... they care about better odds, and high entry cost. casino is definitely a high end place for entertainment,for people with money to burn
You are right. Gambler don't cares about the casino rental or whatever. Why should they, right?
While illegal gaming has bigger prize money, the chance of seeing the money confiscated by the authority and being fined by the authority are also there. Hardcore gamblers would have encountered this type of situation before.
There is such thing as higher odds, lower prize and lower odds, higher prize. Else, all gambling operator will has to close shop. -
Originally posted by seyKai:
my beliefs? - a gambler doesn't has a sense of logic - only has hope and blame others for his bad luck when lost
sound like u?
I refused to be drawn into an arguement with you or anyone else, for there is nothing to be gained in trading insults, for it is only a sign by the other that one's logic and rationality had been lost. But i will instead pose a relavant question to you, to help you find out if you can still be rational.
In the 90s, turn to a street corner and you could have easily be touted to buy pirated software.But with the country's push into the digital age and respect for intellectual property rights, as well as investments by IT companies here, these touts had disappear completely, clean off the map of Spore.
It could be done because there were revenue comming from IT investments return, which justified beefing up personnel for enforcement action.
Similarly, when IR becomes a success, enforcement to eradicate illegal gambling evil small timer outlets will be beef up, with its revenue.
Right now, the illegal dens - the real brutal destroyers of lives, are doing all they can to ensure the failure of IR, because their ill begotten livehoods are at stake.
Do not presume these are uneducated people. Some of them are Harvard educated, drive Maseratis, etc.
Being street rats that they are, filled with animal cunning and originators of every con trick in the book, they will use all means to stop IR.
Even international syndicates are in on the game, for they are the ones with the most to lose, and will join in to protest against IR in the guise of 'good public morals'.
Therefore, you will have to think for yourself, are you being used as a tool by these con artistes, or are you the con artiste yourself?
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
I refused to be drawn into an arguement with you or anyone else, for there is nothing to be gained in trading insults, for it is only a sign by the other that one's logic and rationality had been lost. But i will instead pose a relavant question to you, to help you find out if you can still be rational.
In the 90s, turn to a street corner and you could have easily be touted to buy pirated software.But with the country's push into the digital age and respect for intellectual property rights, as well as investments by IT companies here, these touts had disappear completely, clean off the map of Spore.
It could be done because there were revenue comming from IT investments return, which justified beefing up personnel for enforcement action.
Similarly, when IR becomes a success, enforcement to eradicate illegal gambling evil small timer outlets will be beef up, with its revenue.
Right now, the illegal dens - the real brutal destroyers of lives, are doing all they can to ensure the failure of IR, because their ill begotten livehoods are at stake.
Do not presume these are uneducated people. Some of them are Harvard educated, drive Maseratis, etc.
Being street rats that they are, filled with animal cunning and originators of every con trick in the book, they will use all means to stop IR.
Even international syndicates are in on the game, for they are the ones with the most to lose, and will join in to protest against IR in the guise of 'good public morals'.
Therefore, you will have to think for yourself, are you being used as a tool by these con artistes, or are you the con artiste yourself?
It takes two hands to clap
Seems to me that you are very naive to write that and yet to understand human
Why didn’t you make comparison with drug traffickers and the penalty for being caught instead of pirated software peddlers? – and are you sure that they have disappeared completely?
An illegal gambling den is a life destroyers of lives and a legal gambling den is above-board or noble – where is the logic?
If you haven’t understood that “This world is a big con job”, please read my post.
http://blogs.sgforums.com/forums/1364/topics/334890
It takes a bigger con to con another, and you are not worth my opponent.
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Gambling ,legal ones or illegal ones, destroys families and lives .
I like to know who would disagree on this statement.
I hope everyone can now agree that Gambling is not good and the banker always wins, ultimately.
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Originally posted by likedatosocan:
Gambling ,legal ones or illegal ones, destroys families and lives .
I like to know who would disagree on this statement.
I hope everyone can now agree that Gambling is not good and the banker always wins, ultimately.
its bad for me but i actually know of a couple who used to open a food stall, they didn't like it cos it took up too much of their time no off days or money to accompany their children. for some skewed reason they took up gambling as a job, just go casino or cruise to gamble only. and right now they're actually better off since they "earn" more from this "job" and there's more time to spend with children also.
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I dont know whether this is good or bad.....
If most of the generated money comes from the casino part, I support IR to fail.
Because I think the casino will suck in people's money to line fat greedy casino pit boss pockets.
But if there are more money generated from hotel occupancy, restaurants, etc, then I hope the project will not fail. Because it can help common people.
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Originally posted by Meat Pao:
I dont know whether this is good or bad.....
If most of the generated money comes from the casino part, I support IR to fail.
Because I think the casino will suck in people's money to line fat greedy casino pit boss pockets.
But if there are more money generated from hotel occupancy, restaurants, etc, then I hope the project will not fail. Because it can help common people.
...good as long as it can "help common people"? pssst... start a chain of marijuana coffee shops can help even more. heck why stop at "coffee shops?" Building an international prostituition and drugs spa will make even more money and "help common people".
Be careful the curses meant for casinos do not fall on your person ok? You better go and earn some buddhist merits for even jesus cannot help you if you do not repent.
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Originally posted by Meat Pao:
I dont know whether this is good or bad.....
If most of the generated money comes from the casino part, I support IR to fail.
Because I think the casino will suck in people's money to line fat greedy casino pit boss pockets.
But if there are more money generated from hotel occupancy, restaurants, etc, then I hope the project will not fail. Because it can help common people.
Just look at how much money those investors poured in..billions n billions..and imagine to recover back the principle including high interest, it will takes years of cheating and exploiting people just to break even before profits start to pour in. And the question now is, how are they going to break even with the state of economy on the downhill.The problem with our Govt is the elite mentality, everything singapore do must be good and the best, top class. Failure is not acceptable. That is one of the flaw in their governing, and today, they proceed with the IRs which can turn out to be the biggest flop in their implementation that may make heads roll.
I am waiting for a right good opposition to appear, so far only my Uncle and Dr Chee...not much choice.
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Originally posted by seyKai:
It takes two hands to clap
Seems to me that you are very naive to write that and yet to understand human
Why didn’t you make comparison with drug traffickers and the penalty for being caught instead of pirated software peddlers? – and are you sure that they have disappeared completely?
An illegal gambling den is a life destroyers of lives and a legal gambling den is above-board or noble – where is the logic?
If you haven’t understood that “This world is a big con job”, please read my post.
http://blogs.sgforums.com/forums/1364/topics/334890
It takes a bigger con to con another, and you are not worth my opponent.
It's with sadness as i read your post, for you had chosen to value your ego more than rationality, and that kills any hope for further intellectual discussion.
I will have to leave you to your hypocrisy, and boyish fantasies, while real men and women will have to do what it takes to confront the social evil of gambling thru regulating it, protect and educate naive young kids, apprehend seasoned conmen, with their con-pimps and loansharks, preventing them from harming our fellow citizens.
Success or failure, the fight will have to continue on. Our enlightened ancestors had failed before, but they had never given up, and so till shall we.
Furthermore, by providing a safer avenue for gaming, more will be attracted to come to Singapore, which will provide jobs and income for many on the value added services a casino will bring.
Gambling is a vice, but not as odious as drugs. Everyone gambles in some form in their daily lives, even you.To eradicate gambling is to eradicate human nature, something that would be impossible, if not unnatural. Thus the only realistic answer is to regulate it, make it safe, and get rid of the more brutal and greedy elements.
Humans may be attracted to vice, but they do know the perils of vice and the harm it brings. Thus the need to educate and remind them of such perils, thru education and the mass media, with funds comming from the casino itself.
For those hoping for IR to fail, or made used of by illegal syndicates to protest, do not be too sure of its demise. Singapore Pools will give you an indication of its success, even while the world is going thru a financial crisis. -
Originally posted by xtreyier:
It's with sadness as i read your post, for you had chosen to value your ego more than rationality, and that kills any hope for further intellectual discussion.
I will have to leave you to your hypocrisy, and boyish fantasies, while real men and women will have to do what it takes to confront the social evil of gambling thru regulating it, protect and educate naive young kids, apprehend seasoned conmen, with their con-pimps and loansharks, preventing them from harming our fellow citizens.
Success or failure, the fight will have to continue on. Our enlightened ancestors had failed before, but they had never given up, and so till shall we.
Furthermore, by providing a safer avenue for gaming, more will be attracted to come to Singapore, which will provide jobs and income for many on the value added services a casino will bring.
Gambling is a vice, but not as odious as drugs. Everyone gambles in some form in their daily lives, even you.To eradicate gambling is to eradicate human nature, something that would be impossible, if not unnatural. Thus the only realistic answer is to regulate it, make it safe, and get rid of the more brutal and greedy elements.
Humans may be attracted to vice, but they do know the perils of vice and the harm it brings. Thus the need to educate and remind them of such perils, thru education and the mass media, with funds comming from the casino itself.
For those hoping for IR to fail, or made used of by illegal syndicates to protest, do not be too sure of its demise. Singapore Pools will give you an indication of its success, even while the world is going thru a financial crisis.you have not show yourself to be rational and please make some senses to be my worthy opponent otherwise me not wasting my time to talking to a underdog
read again what you wrote -
illegal gambling = vice
legal gambling = no vice?
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Originally posted by seyKai:
you have not show yourself to be rational and please make some senses to be my worthy opponent otherwise me not wasting my time to talking to a underdog
read again what you wrote -
illegal gambling = vice
legal gambling = no vice?
Can both of you refer to the Anti Vice laws and make it clear before argueing with no substances to base on. -
Xtreyier: To eradicate gambling is to eradicate (one aspect of) human nature, something that will be impossible if not unnatural. Thus the only realistic answer is to regulate it, make it safe, & get rid of the more brutal & greedy elements.
The 1st sentence sounds rational, logical & reasonable but the 2nd sentence is a little complicated for a 'realistic answer' to the problem of gambling in that how do you quantify & qualify the parameters with the right configurations to 'make it safe'. In other words gambling & its ramifications are bad but what are the ways, means & measures to make it not too bad.
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it is absolutely wrong to said that life is full of gamble, no no no, gamble is to take chances, a yes or no, big or small followed by luck or no luck. U dun hv to do research or study to gamble, just place your bet and hope for the best, but you should know that the odd is with the banker. And human nature love the thrill and excitement of gambling. You can learn how to gamble with 3 minutes, but you may hv to take 30 years to cut the habit. Or even a lifetime, so to speak.
Whereas in life, what you study, what choose for your career, what you want from your life is an objective you set for, you do your resaserch and workhard to reach your goal. Life is a journey of adventures, you hv yr choice, you dun hv to bet on it, just be focus on what you wish and want within your achievable and realistic goal, you will get it, and even if u dun get it, you can alway adjust your goal post to achieve it.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
it is absolutely wrong to said that life is full of gamble, no no no, gamble is to take chances, a yes or no, big or small followed by luck or no luck. U dun hv to do research or study to gamble, just place your bet and hope for the best, but you should know that the odd is with the banker. And human nature love the thrill and excitement of gambling. You can learn how to gamble with 3 minutes, but you may hv to take 30 years to cut the habit. Or even a lifetime, so to speak.
Whereas in life, what you study, what choose for your career, what you want from your life is an objective you set for, you do your resaserch and workhard to reach your goal. Life is a journey of adventures, you hv yr choice, you dun hv to bet on it, just be focus on what you wish and want within your achievable and realistic goal, you will get it, and even if u dun get it, you can alway adjust your goal post to achieve it.
I only know life have to take risk
if dun take risk
dun kbkb why i forever stuck at where i am
no one owns us anything in this world
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Originally posted by angel7030:
it is absolutely wrong to said that life is full of gamble, no no no, gamble is to take chances, a yes or no, big or small followed by luck or no luck. U dun hv to do research or study to gamble, just place your bet and hope for the best, but you should know that the odd is with the banker. And human nature love the thrill and excitement of gambling. You can learn how to gamble with 3 minutes, but you may hv to take 30 years to cut the habit. Or even a lifetime, so to speak.
Whereas in life, what you study, what choose for your career, what you want from your life is an objective you set for, you do your resaserch and workhard to reach your goal. Life is a journey of adventures, you hv yr choice, you dun hv to bet on it, just be focus on what you wish and want within your achievable and realistic goal, you will get it, and even if u dun get it, you can alway adjust your goal post to achieve it.
Young lady, i hate to sound condescending, but it's time to wake up to reality, sadly to be serious and remove your rose color tinted glasses and take a hard closer look at the world and humans.
Let's take the easiest game as a comparison, for it symbolizes what gambling is all about - Big or Small, played since and perhaps even before the great wall of China had been built till today.
There are only 2 possible outcomes - big or small with the roll of the dice. You place your money on either one and hope for the best, for you cannot fortell the future. This is gambling.
YOu study hard,aim to become an engineer, got a degree. You place your efforts and money into engineering courses. There could only be 2 possible outcome. You become an engineer, or the worst you don't get employed if the labour market is poor. Poof! the market collapse. You become a taxi driver instead, as with grads during '97. This is gamble.
You wake up at 8am. Slept a few minutes more, even know you will be late. There can be 2 possible outcomes. You get scolded or you escape scolding if boss not in. This is gamble.
You take the bus. You assume it will come on time. It doesnt.
You drive a car to meet your clients. The oil meter shows empty. But you think there is enough for you to get there without topping up petrol. This is gamble.
Lunchtime. You need to eat. There is a stall that has not many customers. You do not how it taste like. You order. It turn out sucks. You had just gambled. And lost.
I can go on and on.
Ultimately, gambling becomes evil when we know it is not possible to predict the outcome, and yet continue to do. This is hardcore. Many attempt to avoid it, but there are only too many unknowns in our daily life, on outcomes of which we can never predict.
Life itself is thus a gamble. Manage all risk as we possibly can. Roll of the dice and once the result is shown, we must live as best as we can with that roll.
It's human nature to gamble.
Let him who has no sin cast the first stone to kill the sinner. So goes a famous saying.
In order to stop hardcore gambling, first we must acknowledge our own faults, and without hypocrisy, try to help others and prevent them from hardcore gambling, not by using a chopper knife, but by a carving knife, slowly slicing part by part the tumour.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Young lady, i hate to sound condescending, but it's time to wake up to reality, sadly to be serious and remove your rose color tinted glasses and take a hard closer look at the world and humans.
Let's take the easiest game as a comparison, for it symbolizes what gambling is all about - Big or Small, played since and perhaps even before the great wall of China had been built till today.
There are only 2 possible outcomes - big or small with the roll of the dice. You place your money on either one and hope for the best, for you cannot fortell the future. This is gambling.
YOu study hard,aim to become an engineer, got a degree. You place your efforts and money into engineering courses. There could only be 2 possible outcome. You become an engineer, or the worst you don't get employed if the labour market is poor. Poof! the market collapse. You become a taxi driver instead, as with grads during '97. This is gamble.
You wake up at 8am. Slept a few minutes more, even know you will be late. There can be 2 possible outcomes. You get scolded or you escape scolding if boss not in. This is gamble.
You take the bus. You assume it will come on time. It doesnt.
You drive a car to meet your clients. The oil meter shows empty. But you think there is enough for you to get there without topping up petrol. This is gamble.
Lunchtime. You need to eat. There is a stall that has not many customers. You do not how it taste like. You order. It turn out sucks. You had just gambled. And lost.
I can go on and on.
Ultimately, gambling becomes evil when we know it is not possible to predict the outcome, and yet continue to do. This is hardcore. Many attempt to avoid it, but there are only too many unknowns in our daily life, on outcomes of which we can never predict.
Life itself is thus a gamble. Manage all risk as we possibly can. Roll of the dice and once the result is shown, we must live as best as we can with that roll.
It's human nature to gamble.
Let him who has no sin cast the first stone to kill the sinner. So goes a famous saying.
In order to stop hardcore gambling, first we must acknowledge our own faults, and without hypocrisy, try to help others and prevent them from hardcore gambling, not by using a chopper knife, but by a carving knife, slowly slicing part by part the tumour.
aiya, young uncle, you cannot take life as a gamble mah, gambling is either win or loose or sometime draw, but life not the same mah, u give and take ya.Even if u order bowl of mee that is not up to yr expection, at least u still got the bowl of mee mah, but in gambling, u place yr bet, if u lose, it gone, if u win, u get paid, if it is a draw, same same.
Even if u study and failed to land on a job you studied, at least you accumlated the knowledge mah, and at least you got a certificate too, but gambling is different, as per above, win, loose or draw.
Life is not a gamble, u control it, unlike gambling, the banker, rule of the game and luck controlled you.
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If I go to a casino and gamble, I know in the long run I will definitely lose. Because I am playing against the house dealer, and the way the game is designed such that the odds are always against me.
For people thinking that they will make money through gambling in the long run, I will say good luck to them.
In life, I gamble by making different choices. But I do not know whether in those instances, the odds will be always against me. I try to be more optimistic about those chances by making, hopefully, wise decisions. However, I do believe that based on my choices, there will be outcome, so I must be ready to accept the outcome, whether good or bad.
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The media reported that the IR will be opened in stages.
So I guess they will open the casinos with its increased number of tables first to try recoup as much money as they can before they open the rest of the attractions.
Looks like Singaporeans will be contributing to the growth of the IRs, not tourists.
