Interesting post about teachers
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I love this post.
It shows how farked up teachers are in singapore.
Totally not worth my respect
Letter from Caroline Lim
Letter from Jo-Anne LeeI REFER to “Different strokes required”(Oct 29), and would like to highlight that not only are students of current times different from those of yesteryears’ but that teachers have changed with the times. Most local teachers are products of the educational system and our changing society and it is appalling to read of teachers being convicted or investigated for molestation or outrage of modesty. A week ago, in the first case of its kind here in Singapore, a female teacher was charged with having sex with an underage student. And there was a recent media report about teachers moonlighting as bar top/pole dancers. Besides paper qualifications, are teachers’ character assessed before they are hired? When more than 90 per cent of Singapore students rely on private tutors and commercial tuition centres as helping hands towards attaining academic excellence, I wonder what exactly are the roles of current school teachers? What has gone wrong that teachers who spend at least six hours a day, five days a week with their students are not commanding sufficient respect? Do they themselves lack discipline in the first place? Are they worthy of respect in the first place? I REFER to “Different strokes required” and “Splitting up the classes may help” (Oct 29). I do not envy teachers these days. Not only is the nobility of their profession not respected, parents now also believe it’s the teachers’ role to nurture and groom their kids. Ill-behaved children? Of course there are. The question is, are they just being children or being disrespectful? I teach Sunday classes. The preschool kids are lovely because they’re young, innocent and impressionable. There is a big difference between parents being liberal and open minded with their children, and being simply over indulgent. “Over compensate” is the word Mr Ho Kong Loon used. I couldn’t agree more. Was there not a recent media report about a young woman whose parents give her money to buy designer bags? The constraint on teachers where discipline is concerned is getting ridiculous. If the parents shirk disciplining responsibility and hand it over to the teacher, then they should let the teachers discipline their kids with the cane, rod or whatever they deem fit and not interfere. I’ve seen too many brats who are not only spoilt in the material sense but lack social graces and graciousness. Basic courtesy and civic mindedness have gone down the drain. Mr Arthur Lim says there’s a lack of tolerance in society and children need their “space”. I agree, but how much space is enough before we realise they are getting out of control? And split up classes? Doesn’t he know that we are facing a shortage of good teachers?Teachers need toearn their respect too Teachers should beallowed to use the rod
Letter from Caroline Lim
Letter from Jo-Anne LeeI REFER to “Different strokes required”(Oct 29), and would like to highlight that not only are students of current times different from those of yesteryears’ but that teachers have changed with the times. Most local teachers are products of the educational system and our changing society and it is appalling to read of teachers being convicted or investigated for molestation or outrage of modesty. A week ago, in the first case of its kind here in Singapore, a female teacher was charged with having sex with an underage student. And there was a recent media report about teachers moonlighting as bar top/pole dancers. Besides paper qualifications, are teachers’ character assessed before they are hired? When more than 90 per cent of Singapore students rely on private tutors and commercial tuition centres as helping hands towards attaining academic excellence, I wonder what exactly are the roles of current school teachers? What has gone wrong that teachers who spend at least six hours a day, five days a week with their students are not commanding sufficient respect? Do they themselves lack discipline in the first place? Are they worthy of respect in the first place? -
lol, shows the worldclass system we have here. world class indeed.
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Please dun generalise how...not all teachers are like that. There are still some who still earn respect...
But sometimes I think it places too much responsibility on the teachers...like the recent news about the teacher who likes to wear bikini...dunno why the reporter so kepoh...what the teacher wants to wear out of office hours is up to her. And she is at the seaside, what can she wear besides swimsuit and bikini??
It is not like she is wearing it to school. People should stop seeing teachers as saints and angels and give them a break. There are human beings too...it is fair to expect them to be role models at school and be professional but outside of school they should be allowed to lead their own life without being scrutinised endlessly...
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If the kid turns out bad, it is solely the responsiblity of the parents.
The teacher's job is only to impart information, how the kids process it to become knowledge is the parents' responsibility.
The teacher has 30-40 kids to teach and they most likely have other classes of pupils to keep track too. How much do you expect them to do?
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sidetrack abit ar ... i notice alot of my ex-teachers are single. i get the feelign that they are too stressed up to have time to find another partner. anyone share the same experience ?
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i wonder how the teacher looks like.
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Too many parents think that it is the teachers' responsibility to make sure that their kids grow up to be people of good character..but I think it is just bullshit. Parents use the excuse of making money to support the home when what they do is to spend their hard-earned money on designer goods to compensate for the loss of contact with their children, pathetic really.
Maybe this is the reason why I see so some of my schoomates as immature, conceited and selfish? This is even more obvious when people start to compare groups of children who belong to different economic backgrounds.
Parents ah parents...wanna give birth, don't wanna take care, really ah...
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Parents use the excuse of making money to support the home when what they do is to spend their hard-earned money on designer goods to compensate for the loss of contact with their children, pathetic really.
Maybe this is the reason why I see so some of my schoomates as immature, conceited and selfish?
I agree with you completely.
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Most teachers are indeed not like that...
Do you know how f-up our sg education system is? Teachers are overworked, students are overly filled with homework.... and as mentioned, many students require private tuition outside school just to do well/better in exams...
Not only does a teacher have to handle nearly 40 students at one go, teachers nowadays have to, as put by a principal, 'serve' the students and treat them like 'customers'. There's a whole lot of admin things to do, things that can be easily done by hiring a full-time admin staff (and which some independent schools do). Teachers have to be in-charge of CCAs as well, and attend a whole lot of courses. There's also a lot of back-stabbing, and now especially because in the current system of grading teachers, a certain percentage must get Ds, and a certain percentage get As; it's performance relative to other teachers => the worse you can make a teacher look in front of principals, the higher you can step above.
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Persons, personalities if you wish, can be made only in communities. A community is made up of intimate relationships among diverse types of individuals--a kinship group, a local group, a neighbourhood, a village, a large family.
Without communities, no infant will be sufficiently socialized. He may grow up to be forty years old, he may have made an extremely good living, he may have engendered half a dozen children, but he is still an infant unless he has been properly socialized and that occurs in the first four or five years of life.
In our society today, we have attempted to throw the whole burden of socializing out population upon the school system, to which the individual arrives only at the age of four or five.
A few years ago they had big programs to take children to school for a few hours at age two and three and four, but that will not socialize them. The first two years are important.
The way a child is treated in the first two days is of vital importance. He has to be loved, above all he has to be talked to.
A state of individuals, such as we have now reached in Western Civilization, will not create persons, and the atomized individuals who make it up will be motivated by desires which do not necessarily reflect needs. Instead of needing other people they need a shot of heroin; instead of some kind of religious conviction, they have to be with the winning team....
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Originally posted by rainee:
It is not like she is wearing it to school. People should stop seeing teachers as saints and angels and give them a break. There are human beings too...it is fair to expect them to be role models at school and be professional but outside of school they should be allowed to lead their own life without being scrutinised endlessly...
Please dun use in name of Angel to compare with teacher, Angel are higher being, certainly cannot compare to with teacher.
Angel only give sweet to childrens, and teacher gives chilli -
Originally posted by angel7030:
Please dun use in name of Angel to compare with teacher, Angel are higher being, certainly cannot compare to with teacher.
Angel only give sweet to childrens, and teacher gives chilliThat's what I am trying to say, stop comparing teachers to angels. Some people expect teachers to be flawless.
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tt bikini teacher ... :D:D
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Originally posted by eagle:
Most teachers are indeed not like that...
Do you know how f-up our sg education system is? Teachers are overworked, students are overly filled with homework.... and as mentioned, many students require private tuition outside school just to do well/better in exams...
Not only does a teacher have to handle nearly 40 students at one go, teachers nowadays have to, as put by a principal, 'serve' the students and treat them like 'customers'. There's a whole lot of admin things to do, things that can be easily done by hiring a full-time admin staff (and which some independent schools do). Teachers have to be in-charge of CCAs as well, and attend a whole lot of courses. There's also a lot of back-stabbing, and now especially because in the current system of grading teachers, a certain percentage must get Ds, and a certain percentage get As; it's performance relative to other teachers => the worse you can make a teacher look in front of principals, the higher you can step above.
if u step outside the ring, u can see just how futile all these stresses among the students and teachers have.
learn advance math and DNA science at pri school for f**k?? life in the real world dont depend on this. and we dont even know what is social etiquette, civil rights etc..
schools in sg are damn kum lan.
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just this morning (or was it yesterday) that I was listening to 90.5FM.. and the DJ ask the question on who should teach kids about the birds and the bees. And this lady actually SMS in to say teachers should be responsible for it - afterall they are PAID to teach right?
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Originally posted by fishbuff1:
if u step outside the ring, u can see just how futile all these stresses among the students and teachers have.
learn advance math and DNA science at pri school for f**k?? life in the real world dont depend on this. and we dont even know what is social etiquette, civil rights etc..
schools in sg are damn kum lan.
that's cos the teachers never really showed the relationship between the maths you learn and the real world application...trust me, there is some use for it...
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Originally posted by fishbuff1:
if u step outside the ring, u can see just how futile all these stresses among the students and teachers have.
learn advance math and DNA science at pri school for f**k?? life in the real world dont depend on this. and we dont even know what is social etiquette, civil rights etc..
schools in sg are damn kum lan.
learn advanced is ok... it's the way the system is conducted...
A lot of great ideas in singapore actually, but a lot are badly implemented...
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SG education system sucks shit i remembered the only thing i learnt was to be fearful of authority and to obey, and to keep quiet.. People get out of the singapore system with a 'completed' education rather than as a thinking individual.. PUI. World class only in their own delusional minds
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Try stepping into the classroom and handle a class full of children for 1 whole day before you even comment. And after that, you still have to face the principal and parents. Don't ever assume please. Most are in this line for the passion, because the job pays peanuts for the amount of workload you bear.
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Originally posted by kiseki:
Try stepping into the classroom and handle a class full of children for 1 whole day before you even comment. And after that, you still have to face the principal and parents. Don't ever assume please. Most are in this line for the passion, because the job pays peanuts for the amount of workload you bear.
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Originally posted by eagle:
learn advanced is ok... it's the way the system is conducted...
A lot of great ideas in singapore actually, but a lot are badly implemented...
my kids are in a very good pri sch here. last year, in one of the parents-teachers mtg, many parents were openly questioning the teacher's teaching methods, dissecting words in exam papers so they know exactly what their kids need to answer to score in the exams, etc. etc. i was bored to tears.in a way, the teachers too felt the pressure becos the parents were exerting undue pressure on the teachers.
i then asked the question to the form teacher of my boy if they can be given less homework instead. (my kids workload are horrendous. i don't even work as hard after office hours. imagine a kid after school, he/she needs to do a ton of homework some more.)there was a momentary silence in the classroom. you could hear a pin drop. of cos, i was then given a lecture on why homework are good, etc. , typical bs. after experiencing 2 mtgs, i decided that i will not attend anymore. in any case, i dun think i am welcome there by my fellow parents anymore after my folly.
my kids do not go for tuition except chinese. i strongly discourage that to the chagrin of my better half. i have a pact with my kids that as long as they tried their best and not make careless/silly mistakes in their exams, we are all good.
the main reason i am quitting this place is mainly becos i want a more rounded education for my kids. victoria education in ozland placed a lot of emphasis on character development and seemed a lot more well balanced in its approach to children education. i have observed for myself. there is a huge gulf of difference between a 9yr old aussie kid and a 9 year old singapore kid.
in truth, i do not need to leave. i can pretty much have anything i want here. i have held off leaving for a least a couple of years. but i don't see the light.
i took a risk of quitting my job. i will still be good for a few years. but with god's grace, i found something down under even in such terrible job climate. perhaps the signs are clear for me.
i agree the intent of education here is good. but in implementation, it went awry. (having said that, in this region, singapore education is still better than others, say indo or malaysia)
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Ok..
OMG!
Its the same thing again.
Freaking generalisation.
Just becos one or two is bad, means all is bad.
Knn.
Just in the same case as the islam wad, some people dont like them, just cos of terrorist.
Thts pure BS.
Firstly, To the TS, have u ever been a teacher in ur life??
If u have then good for u, If u nvr, then STFU. Talk only.
Its not the teachers fault.
Have u ever been in a class full of bad kids anot?
U really dont knw how to handle.
U really want to help, but they refuse.
And sometimes is not the teachers fault, for all the stress and the work.
Its the system.
U think the teachers, like doing tht meh?
We are still human u knw?
We got a life. We have to sac many things to keep up a good image.
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Originally posted by ShrodingersCat:
just this morning (or was it yesterday) that I was listening to 90.5FM.. and the DJ ask the question on who should teach kids about the birds and the bees. And this lady actually SMS in to say teachers should be responsible for it - afterall they are PAID to teach right?
-.-" We teachers are suppose to teach everything?? -
Originally posted by seotiblizzard:
Ok..
OMG!
Its the same thing again.
Freaking generalisation.
Just becos one or two is bad, means all is bad.
Knn.
Just in the same case as the islam wad, some people dont like them, just cos of terrorist.
Thts pure BS.
Firstly, To the TS, have u ever been a teacher in ur life??
If u have then good for u, If u nvr, then STFU. Talk only.
Its not the teachers fault.
Have u ever been in a class full of bad kids anot?
U really dont knw how to handle.
U really want to help, but they refuse.
And sometimes is not the teachers fault, for all the stress and the work.
Its the system.
U think the teachers, like doing tht meh?
We are still human u knw?
We got a life. We have to sac many things to keep up a good image.
i agree wif some of your points.during my uni term break, i tried relief teaching for 2 months. bloody thankless job. after that stint, crossed out teaching as a career. or at least i know i am not cut out to be one.
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Originally posted by redDUST:
i agree wif some of your points.during my uni term break, i tried relief teaching for 2 months. bloody thankless job. after that stint, crossed out teaching as a career. or at least i know i am not cut out to be one.
Thanks. Hahah. Yeaa. Thts why i got so pissed.It was aft tht, tht i begin to respect teachers.
They really work very hard.
Pay also no good.
I am a teacher myself.
Sort of part time teaching.