Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Yes I agree.
For some reason, SDP is not doing this forcefully.
they're not doing it at all, whoever is at the top of the command chain is wasting SDP's resources and showing themselves inept in political circles.
look at how they can convince people to do stupid things in public, what if the same resources are turned into convincing more people to their cause insteading of reducing their numbers though lawsuits and jail??
Find an issue people care about, organise a talk on it, inform people on it instead of turning it into another "SPD GST/TBT protest 2008"
there's also the MLM model
so many ways to do it but some nutcase at the top can't think.
He meants to influence those working for LKY not LKY himself.
Influence what influence.
That easy to fucking influence?
This type of talk is naive political talk.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Influence what influence.
That easy to fucking influence?
This type of talk is naive political talk.
Well, have you gone to a PAP member forum or a Youth PAP forum before?
You haven't, clearly.
Let me tell you one thing, young Singaporeans are no longer the naive bunch of yesteryears. They have their own thinking and their own beliefs.
All it takes is a spark by the right person for them to right the direction of their thinking.
I have no problem with the platform of the incumbent (note it's referring to the ruling party). I just have a problem how the current members have deviated from their manifestos.
How about we try it on those young impressionable members?
Will Lee Kuan Yew allow?
Well, have you gone to a PAP member forum or a Youth PAP forum before?
Yes, you are correct.
I have never been to PAP site or PAP forum.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Influence what influence.
That easy to fucking influence?
This type of talk is naive political talk.
all ideas are simple at the moment they come about, all complicated ideas can be explained in one line. its the situations faced that makes ideas branch out in other ways.
if someone were to actually get inside and garner enough support and strike at a moment of weakness, who's to say it wouldn't work? what you're thinking is influencing LKY and friends in SDP's way, what if you're talking about someone who is very supportive of SDP but decides to join PAP and become one of them? and along the way showing strong support for PAP and after drawing enough PAP guys to his/her side splits the party against the current leadership?
Originally posted by teraexa:Doctorate so what?
I really love to sneer at ppl who like to quote that CSJ is not stupid because he's got a doctorate.
Going by their favourite argument, there are plenty of scholars may have gotten good degrees but still so stupid to serve this 'useless' government.
Hence, academic qualification is not everything, right?
< academic qualification is not everything>? try telling lky that.
if someone were to actually get inside and garner enough support and strike at a moment of weakness, who's to say it wouldn't work?
Military coup maybe, political party, I don't think there are historical examples.
It is quite a naive idea.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Influence what influence.
That easy to fucking influence?
This type of talk is naive political talk.
Juan Carlos I of Spain did it to franco, though hand pick as a heir, he never opposed franco's ideas until he had the power to carry out reforms
Juan Carlos I of Spain did it to franco, though hand pick as a heir, he never opposed franco's ideas until he had the power to carry out reforms
How is that example?
He is of royal house.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Influence what influence.
That easy to fucking influence?
This type of talk is naive political talk.
well tell it to the person who said it.... I am only trying to interpret what he says ( correctly) to correct the mistake u made!
Why get so aggressive at me? wif all these "f" words
wif all these "f" words
I apologise if you are offended.
They were not meant to be aggressive.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Military coup maybe, political party, I don't think there are historical examples.
It is quite a naive idea.
there are other ways if you don't like that one, how about getting someone well looked upon to join an opposition party? maybe the relative of some past minister who was well respected rather then virtual unknowns?
and support of business groups in win win situations? <<not feasible for SDP, no one wants to be associated with them
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:How is that example?
He is of royal house.
a descendent of a royal house designated to be the heir of a dictator. not a very good example but it shows it is possible to be carried out. got other examples from ancient times but won't fit into current context. this one the closest i can think off.
anyway singaporeans have a habbit of looking up to the rich, given a rich or a poor man to carry out a task most likely will support the rich one. rich one also have enough money to carry out political campaigns.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Military coup maybe, political party, I don't think there are historical examples.
It is quite a naive idea.
Sure it's not a flawless idea, but which idea is flawless?
Compared to just protesting and getting yourself bankrupt while accomplishing nothing tangible at all, I am willing to bet on this idea.
Compared to just protesting and getting yourself bankrupt while accomplishing nothing tangible at all, I am willing to bet on this idea.
Mass protest oust government has worked more times than your so called idea.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Mass protest oust government has worked more times than your so called idea.
Yes but how many citizens are unhappy enough to do wat you suggest, Singaporeans maybe be complain kings but they're not stupid, no matter how you choose to think otherwise Mr PAP, people like you are the minority
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Mass protest oust government has worked more times than your so called idea.
Yep I can't disagree with that fact.
What I can disagree is that those were not accomplished in Singapore. Every circumstance is different and it will not be wise to draw correlations.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Mass protest oust government has worked more times than your so called idea.
with massive damage. that is why business men with funds needed for political activism shun lunatics like SDP
say if a minority of 200,000 singaporeans claim to speak for the rest of us and use a mass protest disrupting the lives of the remaining 4 million++ who don't want a mass protest. is that correct?
the majority of us hate the PAP govt but want to carry on with our lives, we don't want involvement. a mass protest blocks roads, cause disruptions. disturbs lives who want to carry on peacefully
this fuck shit is why SDP will never work. they're like a guy who insists on punching a lawyer who would definately sue.
this is just like the kid who posted here years ago about tearing down PAP's "ancestral temples" to drag people into the new era whether they like it or not.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:with massive damage. that is why business men with funds needed for political activism shun lunatics like SDP
say if a minority of 200,000 singaporeans claim to speak for the rest of us and use a mass protest disrupting the lives of the remaining 4 million++ who don't want a mass protest. is that correct?
the majority of us hate the PAP govt but want to carry on with our lives, we don't want involvement. a mass protest blocks roads, cause disruptions. disturbs lives who want to carry on peacefully
this fuck shit is why SDP will never work. they're like a guy who insists on punching a lawyer who would definately sue.
Agree agree.
One point CSJ fails to realise that (and that's why I call him stupid) is that Singaporeans are fundamentally pragmatic. Mass protests that will only cause disruption are a definite no-no for them.
Doesn't it fail to strike Mr PAP and Mr PKYAP that the SDP was more popular under Chiam See Tong than under CSJ?
this fuck shit is why SDP will never work.
But PAP allow protest in speaker's corner.
I regard that as a small victory for SDP.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:But PAP allow protest in speaker's corner.
I regard that as a small victory for SDP.
I WILL NOT attribute that to the SDP.
Let's see, not only SDP have called for it, so has the WP, SDA and many other NGOs incl. the blogosphere.
Don't be too quick to attribute such gains to the SDP.
It's really foolish to attribute every victory to one particular party.
Since SDP is most active opposition party, I regard that as SDP victory.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Since SDP is most active opposition party, I regard that as SDP victory.
Stop being delusional.
The most active opposition party is the WP. There's no dispute about that.
And to be more crude, even the blogosphere has more clout than the SDP.
People don't bother giving 2 hoots about SDP.
Yep you may say that NTU student's union caused an uproar when SDP was chased out. I am pretty sure if it was WP, the uproar would have been much, much bigger.
SDP has ceased to be influential ever since CSJ decided going suicidal.
The most active opposition party is the WP. There's no dispute about that.
If that is what you think, I have nothing to say.
Yes, WP is now most active political opposition party.