Let's see... count on Spore to do what?
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People, I think it would help to know that PM Lee's Mentor, MM Lee, crticized the newly elected President of the United States earlier this year while Mr. Barack was running for presidency.
I think it is rather rude for the PM to respond as thus. There wasn't even a hint of apology in his congratulatory message.
But I think the most important thing to note is this: you can count on Singapore.This is, in my opinion, very different to this:
UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown called Tuesday's poll historic and said he and Mr Obama "share many values".
Chinese President Hu Jintao said he looked forward to strengthening dialogue. France's Nicolas Sarkozy said the poll had raised "enormous hope".
Why? Simply because the other nation representatives did not assume that America needs them. Saying count on Singapore makes something sound like: 'you can count on me to ____'
Not only does this imply that our government thinks highly of themselves (an arrogant nature), it also implies that America needs to count on us. -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I will be okay with above statements.
I won't criticise.
There seems to be some confusion Chin Eng.
You confuse "suck up" with someone with "follower" of ideology.
Do you say that muslims "suck up" to Islam, or people "suck up" to jesus?
No, we do not.
We must not be confused.
following? sucking up? it depends on who you ask and how you define it..... at the end of the day, it's who says what and to whom. -
following? sucking up? it depends on who you ask and how you define it..... at the end of the day, it's who says what and to whom.I disagree.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Seems Chin Eng opposes for the sake of opposing, pathetic really. He many times points fingers at forumers who disagree with PAP rather than pointing at the faults of PAP. Wonder is his motive here to distract people from disagreeing with the evil Pay and Pay.
fact remains that I do not criticise any political party. each political party's manifest is noble to the core.... if I have please prove it. I have time and again asked you to show some substance in your accusations.however i point fingers at forumers who only look at the half empty glass and whack the person filling up the glass.
and if the person filing up the glass happens to be chee, then it's good, the glass is half full.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I disagree.
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Originally posted by Vendettus:
People, I think it would help to know that PM Lee's Mentor, MM Lee, crticized the newly elected President of the United States earlier this year while Mr. Barack was running for presidency.
I think it is rather rude for the PM to respond as thus. There wasn't even a hint of apology in his congratulatory message.
But I think the most important thing to note is this: you can count on Singapore.This is, in my opinion, very different to this:
Why? Simply because the other nation representatives did not assume that America needs them. Saying count on Singapore makes something sound like: 'you can count on me to ____'
Not only does this imply that our government thinks highly of themselves (an arrogant nature), it also implies that America needs to count on us.Like father, like son, you think lee hsien loong the arrogant ass will ever admit his fault and apology, fat hope. He has super inflated ego, he is nothing but think hell of so highly of himself. Would love to see his downfall. OBama "bai shou qi jia", lee hsien loong no backbone depends on his father to get to where he is today.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
fact remains that I do not criticise any political party. each political party's manifest is noble to the core.... if I have please prove it. I have time and again asked you to show some substance in your accusations.however i point fingers at forumers who only look at the half empty glass and whack the person filling up the glass.
and if the person filing up the glass happens to be chee, then it's good, the glass is half full.
So in you opinion, only chee deserves people to disagree with but not PAP???
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Pursue friendly ties, cooperation, don't try to provoke, respect each other's interests, I consider that to be correct approach.
Shameless sell yourself, suck up to others, I consider wrong approach
That only applies to a stituation where you actually hold an advantage or the other party don't have any choices but to deal with you. So the other party is more inclined to work with you, rather than harm its own interest out of spite.
And also, when not sucking up only affects you. In this stituation, it affects an entire country. When the people's well being are affected by whether you're willing to swallow your pride then you better suck it up.
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So, if PM Lee told Obama, he could count on Singapore to be USA's loyal servant, would you approve or disapprove?
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If the USA is the world sole remaining superpower and could cripple us, of course i would approve. A country cannot feed itself on pride, especially when this particular country got no arable land and natural resources.
That, is also why Singapore is pursuing better relationships China at the same time.
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If the USA is the world sole remaining superpower and could cripple us, of course i would approve.
Your approach and my approach different.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
If the USA is the world sole remaining superpower and could cripple us, of course i would approve. A country cannot feed itself on pride, especially when this particular country got no arable land and natural resources.
That, is also why Singapore is pursuing better relationships China at the same time.
YOur words in red - but our dear LKY a few months ago mentioned that what happen in US does not affect singapore.
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The keypoint of what i said starts with an IF, which currently the USA is not. This is why i hate democracy, it's so bloody easy to twist a quote out of context simply by conveniently ignoring 1 word.
Your approach and my approach different.
My way preaches survival at all cost, compare to that pride and dignity is a small price.
I go into an argument expecting my perspective to change with more information. You however like to hide behind 1 liners like that.
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You however like to hide behind 1 liners like that.
If one line enough, why need two?
More confused.
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My way preaches survival at all cost, compare to that pride and dignity is a small price.
According to you USA is not that powerful right now, so should PM Lee be sucking up to USA in such a manner?
This is why i hate democracy, it's so bloody easy to twist a quote out of context simply by conveniently ignoring 1 word.
Dictatorship, maybe you dead already.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Like father, like son, you think lee hsien loong the arrogant ass will ever admit his fault and apology, fat hope. He has super inflated ego, he is nothing but think hell of so highly of himself. Would love to see his downfall. OBama "bai shou qi jia", lee hsien loong no backbone depends on his father to get to where he is today.
sad as it is, its a mentality a lot of singaporeans share, a manager i once worked with was highly talented but restricted herself because she felt being a manager is the best she can do and to become a bussinesswoman is impossible because she wasn't born rich.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
My way preaches survival at all cost, compare to that pride and dignity is a small price.
agree, other countries can do without US but for us really hard.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
So in you opinion, only chee deserves people to disagree with but not PAP???
did I say that? if i have please PROVE IT. you are so prone in making wild assumptions, if you wish to continue to do so, please some some proof.i disagree with chee like you disagree with PAP.
have i ever asked you to agree with PAP?
have i ever asked you NOT to support the opposition?
have i ever asked to join PAP?
have i EVEN ASKED YOU why you defend andy boy?
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
YOur words in red - but our dear LKY a few months ago mentioned that what happen in US does not affect singapore.
to be fair....LKY has also admitted that there are issues that he was incorrect in....
so i can be wrong, you can be wrong, when lky is wrong..... oooooorrrrr!!!!
even greenspan was wrong.
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OMG....haha...dam it..
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
If one line enough, why need two?
More confused.
and some days, when two line is not enough, cut and paste..... ha ha. -
Count on hojinx. Everything she touches turns to dust.
In 2007, Temasick bought 12% shares in ABC Learning.($400m)
In early Feb, 2008, Temasick raised stake to 15% as ABC Learning shares plunged...a bargain price(8m shares at $2.14 each).
Now, hojinx must re-learn ABCDEFG
Doubt lingers for ABC and D for debt
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Count on hojinx. Everything she touches turns to dust.
In 2007, Temasick bought 12% shares in ABC Learning.($400m)
In early Feb, 2008, Temasick raised stake to 15% as ABC Learning shares plunged...a bargain price(8m shares at $2.14 each).
Now, hojinx must re-learn ABCDEFG
Doubt lingers for ABC and D for debt
if public listed sure sack one, even if family business also scared ask her to step down quietly, how come she's still there?
something else i don't understand, the losses reported were so heavy i can't even believe the figure, if straits times is correct, i minus off the numbers given should be minus what, how come still put dunno ++ how many per cent?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Dictatorship, maybe you dead already.
depends on who's the dictator, depending on situation also. if country in danger and need fast decision its not a good idea to have politicians arguing in parliament
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