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Wow... this is interesting...!!! May i know how did you come up with such statement? Has anybody gone there and returned to explain what actually happen? "well actually nothing happens... i just died and rot..." is that it?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Anyway I just find tat in life, there is nothing more spectacular as wat religion describe
Especially death... one die one just rot away... no such thing as heaven or hell... -
i wish all of you a happy and prosperous year.... GONG XI FA CHAI....!!!
actually i would like to know more about the chinese new year... emmm... nahhh... next time...!!! -
Why not ?Originally posted by kyas:Wow... this is interesting...!!! May i know how did you come up with such statement? Has anybody gone there and returned to explain what actually happen? "well actually nothing happens... i just died and rot..." is that it?
Man's vanity and insecurity knows no bounds.
Is man so insecure that he must be so vain to face death with the thought that there is an "AFTER LIFE" ?
Just like a "light bulb", when you are alive the electricity flows through the "light bulb" providing luminiscent to all around.
When the "light bulb" reaches its maximum life usage, it burns out, electricity stops to flow, it cannot glow, no luminiscent emanates from it.
However, the others around - who benefitted from the warmth that the "light bulb" has provided - will glow on with the experience of his generous warmth, and will live with his memory.
The "light bulb" will return to glass powder. -
yeah... man is just like a bulb. Need somebody to manufacture... need somebody to buy it from the shop... need somebody to do the wiring... need somebody to switch it on... need somebody to switch it off... need somebody to repair it... need somebody to replace it... throw the old one to the dustbin... need somebody to recycle it if possible... so in other words... need somebody to administer it...Originally posted by Atobe:Why not ?
Man's vanity and insecurity knows no bounds.
Is man so insecure that he must be so vain to face death with the thought that there is an "AFTER LIFE" ?
Just like a "light bulb", when you are alive the electricity flows through the "light bulb" providing luminiscent to all around.
When the "light bulb" reaches its maximum life usage, it burns out, electricity stops to flow, it cannot glow, no luminiscent emanates from it.
However, the others around - who benefitted from the warmth that the "light bulb" has provided - will glow on with the experience of his generous warmth, and will live with his memory.
The "light bulb" will return to glass powder.
If a bulb is administered by human... who administers the man? who administer the animals? the moon? the sun? the planets? the nature? the world... -
Man has got brain, the eyes, the ears, the nose, the heart, the lungs, the digestive systems, the reproductive organs, the limbs - all working as a system.Originally posted by kyas:yeah... man is just like a bulb. Need somebody to manufacture... need somebody to buy it from the shop... need somebody to do the wiring... need somebody to switch it on... need somebody to switch it off... need somebody to repair it... need somebody to replace it... throw the old one to the dustbin... need somebody to recycle it if possible... so in other words... need somebody to administer it...
If a bulb is administered by human... who administers the man? who administer the animals? the moon? the sun? the planets? the nature? the world...
The conciousness of Man will dictate his daily activities, the genetic code that is in his system will dictate his character and life span, the brain in his body will control his observation, learning, adaptation, and action processes.
When the time is up, his ticket will simply expire, and he will have to check out of this Life.
From "dust to dust" we come and go. -
And you state this with authority because...
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Two young frogs fell into a bucket of milk. Both tried to jump to freedom, but the sides of the bucket were steep and no foundation was to be had on the surface of the liquid.
Seeing little chance of escape, the first frog soon despaired and stopped jumping. After a short while he sunk to the bottom of the bucket and drowned.
The second frog also saw no likelihood of success, but he never stopped trying. Even though each jump seemed to reach the same inadequate height, he kept on struggling. Eventually, his persistent efforts churned some milk into butter. From the now hardened surface of the milk, he managed to leap out of the bucket. -
"From the now hardened surface of the milk, he managed to leap out of the bucket"....... and into the mouth of a cat, and get shredded to piecces...???Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Two young frogs fell into a bucket of milk. Both tried to jump to freedom, but the sides of the bucket were steep and no foundation was to be had on the surface of the liquid.
Seeing little chance of escape, the first frog soon despaired and stopped jumping. After a short while he sunk to the bottom of the bucket and drowned.
The second frog also saw no likelihood of success, but he never stopped trying. Even though each jump seemed to reach the same inadequate height, he kept on struggling. Eventually, his persistent efforts churned some milk into butter. From the now hardened surface of the milk, he managed to leap out of the bucket.
There is danger beyond the bucket, "watch before you leap"... it could be "leaping from the pan, and into the fire".
Have the agility in mind and body of a monkey, intelligence of a crow, strength of a lion, speed of a cheetah, survival instinct of a jaguar, and sure footedness of a mountain goat.
You will have enough of a satisfactory life in this world and leave your mark for others to appreciate the loss of your existence from this world (if you need such vain appreciation by others). -
yeah man... from dust to dust we come and go...Originally posted by Atobe:Man has got brain, the eyes, the ears, the nose, the heart, the lungs, the digestive systems, the reproductive organs, the limbs - all working as a system.
The conciousness of Man will dictate his daily activities, the genetic code that is in his system will dictate his character and life span, the brain in his body will control his observation, learning, adaptation, and action processes.
When the time is up, his ticket will simply expire, and he will have to check out of this Life.
From "dust to dust" we come and go.
so Atobe... tell what you think about soul... -
Hi Kyas, What do you wish to hear about "soul"...?Originally posted by kyas:yeah man... from dust to dust we come and go...
so Atobe... tell what you think about soul...
Do you want to hear about man's insecurity of not knowing what to expect AFTER death ?
Why does man need to have "LIFE AFTER DEATH" ?
The "SOUL" in any human is in his "CONCIOUSNESS", in his "LIFE" itself.
With the death of the human, the "CONCIOUSNESS" goes out with his "LIFE"; just like the electric light bulb, when the electrical current (LIFE) is turned off, the light (CONCIOUSNESS) goes out.
It is due to man's vanity in not being able to accept that his Life on this earth is only FINITE, that he creates the theology to comfort himself that there is "Life After Death".
In Lopsang Rampa's book on the "Third Eye", he wrote extensively about Man's ability to control his "soul" to leave his body, and travel the world and even across universe.
I would take it as the controlling of one's psychic conciousness to leave one's body and travel in sub-conciousness across distance and time.
When Life is snuffed out, the conciousness will similarly be snuffed out. All events will terminate. All experiences will be halted. Period. -
The bulb thingy, telling us tat something create us just because human creates the bulb is silly... only man made things r created by human and your example is true only for them. If u ask tat way then u have to ask wat creates our creator ? Then wat creates our creator creator ? I guess your answer will be tat is not something for us to know or tat we r unable to know because we r too stupid. Tat is unfair argument as I can answer in the same way as u do, which made us stagnant and never improve our knowledge.
Talking about creator, u have to agree eventually something is "created" not by some will of intelligent beings but happened due to some events (big bang, starting of life) no one control.
And might as well believe tat we r created by some event no intelligent being control but due to some freaks of nature tat happened because all evidence pointed tat way.
U know why most successful, or I say all religion tell people about life after death ? Because only tat way can they make people have a reason to believe as they wanted to believe. They r scared as death is a frightening thought. Religion give them hope, though achieved by telling white lies.
The second traits of most religion is tat they give extra favours or priviledge if they believe in them. A lot believe in faith because if they believe withotu doubts, then they will have a higher chance of being guided in life, getting healed or going into heaven. Tat is one reason religion sucks because it just show how unfair and vain tat God is. It is like doing charity and telling all the people about it. They have other motives than really helping out !!!
There r many religion in the world, why only reward people tat do it in a certan way while treat others who lives an equally pious life differently. Can u really blame them for following the wrong path since no evidence is given to any sides ?
Anyway about the frogs and well story, I interprete it as man have to keep striving to improve science and not stagnant in religion and sink into it
P.S: About bagua thingy, I say he ate during Parent Visiting Day ONLY !!! U have parents tat visit u then and brought food for u then isn't it ?? -
About soul thingy, why do u think there is a soul in the first place ? Do u have any evidence or nature shows any signs tat we have souls ?
If I say I saw a big purple monster in Orchard Rd, I have to show evidence to u before u believe isn't it ? Claims without evidence is just talk. Talk is cheap. -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:
if creator is created by something else, than he is not the God... that is why he is the mightiest of all...
[b]The bulb thingy, telling us tat something create us just because human creates the bulb is silly... only man made things r created by human and your example is true only for them. If u ask tat way then u have to ask wat creates our creator ? Then wat creates our creator creator ? I guess your answer will be tat is not something for us to know or tat we r unable to know because we r too stupid. Tat is unfair argument as I can answer in the same way as u do, which made us stagnant and never improve our knowledge.
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yes... soul is something that cannot be proven scientifically... i just want to know whether you guys believe there is a soul inside ones body... because as you mentioned about bulbs... they need electricity... for me... human body need soul... -
this post is like begging for something from me......................
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Originally posted by Mazohyst:this post is like begging for something from me......................
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...ppppllllzzzz.... dear friend..... don't make armageddon happen here again....!!!Originally posted by Mazohyst:this post is like begging for something from me......................
One thread lost is more then enough for your record.... no..?? -
Hi kyas, when man was at his basic level of primitive knowledge, lost in the presence of all the happenings around him, he worships all things that are profoundly awesome to his limited understanding.Originally posted by kyas:if creator is created by something else, than he is not the God... that is why he is the mightiest of all...
yes... soul is something that cannot be proven scientifically... i just want to know whether you guys believe there is a soul inside ones body... because as you mentioned about bulbs... they need electricity... for me... human body need soul...
When he understood the workings of nature around him, he still hunger to satisfy his higher intellect, and continue to search for a meaning to his existence.
Man cannot be satisfied that his Life on this earth is merely to live and pro-create and then only to die, all within the average life span of 70 years.
Even until this day in the Twenty First Century, no single religion can explain the purpose of Man's existence on earth.
In his quest to satisfy all his intellectual needs to explain for his existence, Man felt an urgent quest to explain his own creation, and believe that there must be a Creator.
The Creator being some Omni-present and Omni-Powerful BEING - the term itself is unsatisfactory, as the word "BEING" still does not denote the powerful OMNI-Powerful Presence of this FORCE.
Hence, the abstract word 'GOD' is used.
GOD the Creator. GOD the Almighty. GOD the Merciful, GOD the Powerful. GOD the Forgiving.
These are the spirit of the ability of MAN itself.
The power of Man's brains and hands CREATES, and has the ALMIGHTY POWER to destroy, to be MERCIFUL, and FORGIVING.
These are the essence of Man's eternal behavior that are forgotten in Man's own weakness in vainly refusing to accept his limited role of his short life span of - more or less - 70 years on this earth.
Forgive me, kyas, as I have no intention to destroy or persuade you from your own faithful belief in your religion, nor do I wish to persuade anyone else from their own religion.
Electricity in the bulb is the LIFE Force, and the Brilliance from the electric light bulb is your "soul", which is your CONCIOUSNESS - as in your being awake and moving and seeing, and which allow others to respond to your presence.
When the 'electricity' is turned off, or when the filament in the light bulb is spent, the bulb is no longer of use.
However, the living will still be able to remember the warmth of the past luminiscence that the "bulb" has given.
The spent bulb will be turned into powder and returned to earth, where it came from - in the first place. -
Then how does Creator get created ? I follow your same argument tat bulb is made by human, commisioned by human and "recycled" by human. Surely something as great as God is must be admistered by something isn't it ? If he does not need admistration, then why does human need administration ?
Anyway another point about soul thingy. Why does soul have to be so invisible, so silent, so devoid of any influence to heat, electricity, so secretive, so undetectable tat nobody ever can prove its existence and the only way for it to be relevant is when u died. Why does God have to make soul such ? Why don't him make it more detectable so tat others will believe in it more easily, which is good for everybody. U cannot blame me for not believing it as I felt the most logical answer is because there is no such thing as soul.
There r people tat r crazy and idiot from birth. R u trying to say tat they have defects in their souls ? Those with trauma tat make them crazy, r u trying to say tat soul became unstable if abused ?
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as i have consistently mentioned before, i do not critisized others for what they believe. and i do not blame any body for looking for logical answers. i was just asking for opinion from the non believers especially from my friend Atobe
and we have to accept the fact that there are things that are just unexplainable scientifically e.g. the use of sixth sense, the ghost, the floating yoga guru, soul etc. we just have to continuously look for the answers with our own different ways. adios!