Wiping out the root of terrorism
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Many believed that poverty and lack of opportunities is the root of terrorism. It is a mistaken belief. Ideology is the cause of terrorists acts. The influencing or diversion of minds since birth towards an anti-humanity direction in life.
For 40 or more years, the world had tolerated the fundamental Islamic faith or its deviants. Despite their excesses, of preaching 'justified killings' of indifidels - meaning the rest of us who do not share their religious ideologies - , we had not been vocal or sought retribution even when we saw our loved ones cut down by them.
We still pleaded with them to be moderate instead of wiping them out even though we have the numbers, the technologies and the intelligences to do so, for we considered ourselves civilised and not barbarians.
Some of them listened, but what their public proclaminations of peaceful intent is not congruent with what they say and practise in private.
They have continued to persist in feudal living, narrow mindedly, as we share this planet, and criticised our way of life daily. All this while of claiming peace, they had continued to train and educate its people to mass murder innocent men, women and children.
They DO make attempts to seperate their kind living amongst us while killing others, but more often then not, they claim expediency in murdering them as well, but ensuring first their own families, friends and mullahs are not amongst us at the time of murders.
Why should one ethnic group be kept safe, and in their safety, find comfort to proclaim peace or keep apathetic distance, with a higher survival rate, while the rest of us humanity be mercilessly cut down piecemeal?
The world is sickened. 40 years and more of patience, education and pleadings had not done anything good to tame terrorism. The latest Mumbai attacks and senseless killings of our loved ones had crossed the line of patience, goodwill amongst men and sanity.
I have no fear of my multicultural fellow citizens here in Spore, because our efforts to promote peaceful living had been largely successful.
I have no fear that we this generation may have to pay the price for our mistake in not tackling fundamentalistic or deviant religious ideologies seriously and effectively.
I only fear that the next generation, whom are innocent, be the ones to suffer for our inactivity and apathy, and they will have to pay the price of being mercilessly cut down.
Perhaps S. Huddington's 'Clash of Civilisation' is in the end - inevitable?
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For those intellectual fundamentalist religious scholars who wish to challenge my post, i ask that you desist in bringing historical twisted baggages as a defense to confuse and detract.
I only ask that you answer one simple question, and it will make your stand clear:-
'Are we, who do not share your faith, infidels?'
If your answer is is, then your mental moral threshold is higher to accept the terrorists murders as justifiable, for there is no crime in a village mullah inspired killing of 'disbelievers/infidels' anytime, anyplace and anywhere, in the indoctrination of you in your faith.
If your answer is no, then aren't you challenging the very word of your deity, whom is all you have when you took that leap of faith to suspend logic and reason in order to believe?
If you can believe that one word from an almighty can be wrong, then what more is there to believe in other words and teachings?
I know it is tough to be a moderate and stay true to religious beliefs. It is a moral dilema daily. Some chosed to use hypocrisy or be apathetic and live in delusion.
Our own lives are not important, but for the sake of others and the next generations to come, it is a moral dilemma and a hard question we MUST confront and tackle it once and for all, as we come to grips and attempt to make sense of the brutal tragedy before our eyes.
And only then, can we all live in peace and goodwill.
If not, then let us meet in a common agreed upon ground, men to men, with honour, battle it out to settle our differences, instead of using cowardly brutual senseless killings of innocents in non-declared combat zones.
The inevitable as S. Huddington had predicted, may have to come to pass.
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Nah i think its cause of oppression (indirectly, US foreign policy) Why, if these people were living peacefully would they sacrifice themselves for these attacks? Envy? If that were the case the africans and tibetians would have attacked too. The reason is probably they are not happy with the country that oppressed them. (On a side note good thing Obama is deciding to change US foreign policy)
Even the humblest of peasants will rise in protest and find ways to retaliate if they realize they are being immolated
I believe that they were already very angry from the whatever Oppression there was, and they just needed a cause, and a misguided person to guide them and they had it. The cause, unfortunately was their religion.
You need to look beyond the surface to avoid unjustly blaming religion dude
P.S your posts have too much unwarranted generalizations
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Many believed that poverty and lack of opportunities is the root of terrorism. It is a mistaken belief. Ideology is the cause of terrorists acts. The influencing or diversion of minds since birth towards an anti-humanity direction in life.
For 40 or more years, the world had tolerated the fundamental Islamic faith or its deviants. Despite their excesses, of preaching 'justified killings' of indifidels - meaning the rest of us who do not share their religious ideologies - , we had not been vocal or sought retribution even when we saw our loved ones cut down by them.
We still pleaded with them to be moderate instead of wiping them out even though we have the numbers, the technologies and the intelligences to do so, for we considered ourselves civilised and not barbarians.
Some of them listened, but what their public proclaminations of peaceful intent is not congruent with what they say and practise in private.
They have continued to persist in feudal living, narrow mindedly, as we share this planet, and criticised our way of life daily. All this while of claiming peace, they had continued to train and educate its people to mass murder innocent men, women and children.
They DO make attempts to seperate their kind living amongst us while killing others, but more often then not, they claim expediency in murdering them as well, but ensuring first their own families, friends and mullahs are not amongst us at the time of murders.
Why should one ethnic group be kept safe, and in their safety, find comfort to proclaim peace or keep apathetic distance, with a higher survival rate, while the rest of us humanity be mercilessly cut down piecemeal?
The world is sickened. 40 years and more of patience, education and pleadings had not done anything good to tame terrorism. The latest Mumbai attacks and senseless killings of our loved ones had crossed the line of patience, goodwill amongst men and sanity.
I have no fear of my multicultural fellow citizens here in Spore, because our efforts to promote peaceful living had been largely successful.
I have no fear that we this generation may have to pay the price for our mistake in not tackling fundamentalistic or deviant religious ideologies seriously and effectively.
I only fear that the next generation, whom are innocent, be the ones to suffer for our inactivity and apathy, and they will have to pay the price of being mercilessly cut down.
Perhaps S. Huddington's 'Clash of Civilisation' is in the end - inevitable?
The guy's name is Samuel Huntington lah.
You might want to look at some of Francis Fukuyama's writings too.
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Many believed that poverty and lack of opportunities is the root of terrorism. It is a mistaken belief. Ideology is the cause of terrorists acts. The influencing or diversion of minds since birth towards an anti-humanity direction in life...
...Perhaps S. Huddington's 'Clash of Civilisation' is in the end - inevitable?
So what point are you trying to make xtreyier?
What is your point?
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Originally posted by ulquiorra87:
Nah i think its cause of oppression (indirectly, US foreign policy) Why, if these people were living peacefully would they sacrifice themselves for these attacks? Envy? If that were the case the africans and tibetians would have attacked too. The reason is probably they are not happy with the country that oppressed them. (On a side note good thing Obama is deciding to change US foreign policy)
Even the humblest of peasants will rise in protest and find ways to retaliate if they realize they are being immolated
I believe that they were already very angry from the whatever Oppression there was, and they just needed a cause, and a misguided person to guide them and they had it. The cause, unfortunately was their religion.
You need to look beyond the surface to avoid unjustly blaming religion dude
P.S your posts have too much unwarranted generalizations
Oppression? What had US done that 3000 civilians had to die in 911?Oppression? Did the chinese conducted terrorist acts against the KMT or they simply rose up as one and kick them out of China?
Oppression? Africans were oppressed by the whites, but did they acted using terrorism?
Oppression? We asians were robbed by England and Spain in the past. Did we resort to terrorism - killing white women and white children?
Oppression? The palestinians were oppressed by their arab neigbours who kept them in refugee camps. Did they rose up and terrorised them?
Oppression is not the root cause of terrorism. To believe that is to live in denial.
Regardless of what excuse used, where else is slaughter of innocent men, women and children is allowed?
I know it is a sensitive topic, but we have to face it sometime. Better now than when with a gun pointed at our heads or our loved ones head, with fingers on the trigger ready to be pulled.
Only in accepting the truth and confronting can we find a solution to peace.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
So what point are you trying to make xtreyier?
What is your point?
I highly suspect that the topic will slowly gravitate towards the need for a one party strong government like the one in Singapore.
But that's just me.
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Oppression? What had US done that 3000 civilians had to die in 911?
My god.
Your ignorance is shocking me.
It is obvious from your statements that your knowledge of USA foreign policy is limited.
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Political Science student ? ;p
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
My god.
Your ignorance is shocking me.
It is obvious from your statements that your knowledge of USA foreign policy is limited.
sorry poh, i don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, alien mythology or that Elvis is alive even till today. -
lol
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sorry poh, i don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, alien mythology or that Elvis is alive even till today.Same for me.
I also despise conspiracy rubbish.
But seriously, I think you need to read more books before coming here and make big sweeping posts.
If your knowledge on certain topics is limited and you make big sweeping posts, people can tell that you are not that knowledgable.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Same for me.
I also despise conspiracy rubbish.
But seriously, I think you need to read more books before coming here and make big sweeping posts.
If your knowledge on certain topics is limited and you make big sweeping posts, people can tell that you are not that knowledgable.
knowledgeable? I never made any claims of that standard. I am only a simple layman.Sweeping post? Perhaps so to some. But at least i am not nor have any intention of SWEEPING IT UNDER THE CARPET, of a reality which we must honestly confront to find a solution.
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Sweep what under carpet?
Singapore is a politically repressive country, lots of political stuff is swept under carpet.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Oppression? What had US done that 3000 civilians had to die in 911?Oppression? Did the chinese conducted terrorist acts against the KMT or they simply rose up as one and kick them out of China?
Oppression? Africans were oppressed by the whites, but did they acted using terrorism?
Oppression? We asians were robbed by England and Spain in the past. Did we resort to terrorism - killing white women and white children?
Oppression? The palestinians were oppressed by their arab neigbours who kept them in refugee camps. Did they rose up and terrorised them?
Oppression is not the root cause of terrorism. To believe that is to live in denial.
Regardless of what excuse used, where else is slaughter of innocent men, women and children is allowed?
I know it is a sensitive topic, but we have to face it sometime. Better now than when with a gun pointed at our heads or our loved ones head, with fingers on the trigger ready to be pulled.
Only in accepting the truth and confronting can we find a solution to peace.
I never said all oppressive acts result in terrorism as a response -_-. The US just interfered with the middle eastern countries' affairs for too long thats all
Please quote me the 'religious text' that said the slaughter of innocent men,women and children are allowed in the middle east or anything that is even subtly anti-human for that matter I am curious as to how you get such conclusions
By the way you claim to want to find a solution to peace but what you are advocating is war against a religion/idealogy do you realize that -
Originally posted by ulquiorra87:
I never said all oppressive acts result in terrorism as a response -_-. The US just interfered with the middle eastern countries' affairs for too long thats all
Please quote me the 'religious text' that said the slaughter of innocent men,women and children are allowed in the middle east or anything that is even subtly anti-human for that matter I am curious as to how you get such conclusions
By the way you claim to want to find a solution to peace but what you are advocating is war against a religion/idealogy do you realize thatI am surprised that you contributed to this thread, yet you do not know of such texts and contridicted me.
But no matter, this is not a scholar thread, but kept simple so that ordinary laymen may understand issues better and kept better informed so as to make intelligent and rational assessment for responses.
http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html
It depends on how you read my posts. War should be avoided, but the problem is, we are ALREADY AT WAR!Only problem is, the combat zones and combatants are undeclared. It can be anyone who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, except if they claim there are of the same faith.
Who are our real enemies? They are not the teenager terrorists, but the village idiot mullahs who must be stopped with their liberal use of holy texts to allow slaugher of innocent lives.
HOw do you like it when a terrorist kid points a gun at your head to end your life even with your tears and pleading, and he tells you it is ok for him to kill you. He will even go to heaven and be served by 72 virgins for eternity?
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USA go around killing people is also wrong.
Many people are angry about that and uses terrorist tactics to retaliate.
Mumbai terrorist attacks could be motivated by India's repressive acts in Kashmir.
Indian government resorts to armed repression in Kashmir, killing 21 and wounding hundreds
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/aug
HRW Documents Repression In Kashmir
http://www.countercurrents.org/kashmir
5,000 Killed, 50,000 Homeless in India 'Pogrom'
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2002/0316
It could be that India keep on kill kill kill muslims, causing some frustrated people to form terrorist groups to retaliate.
You think normal people got nothing better to do than to go and carry out terrorist acts?
It's because their life is already fucked up by repression.
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lmao i can tell u osama is richer then any of us
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
I am surprised that you contributed to this thread, yet you do not know of such texts and contridicted me.
But no matter, this is not a scholar thread, but kept simple so that ordinary laymen may understand issues better and kept better informed so as to make intelligent and rational assessment for responses.
http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html
It depends on how you read my posts. War should be avoided, but the problem is, we are ALREADY AT WAR!Only problem is, the combat zones and combatants are undeclared. It can be anyone who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, except if they claim there are of the same faith.
Who are our real enemies? They are not the teenager terrorists, but the village idiot mullahs who must be stopped with their liberal use of holy texts to allow slaugher of innocent lives.
HOw do you like it when a terrorist kid points a gun at your head to end your life even with your tears and pleading, and he tells you it is ok for him to kill you. He will even go to heaven and be served by 72 virgins for eternity?
Alright maybe i was mistaken in my assumption that the religious text wasnt so bad.. But i still feel that oppression is also a valid key to understanding terrorism. Lets just leave it at that and let people decide for themselves
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
USA go around killing people is also wrong.
Many people are angry about that and uses terrorist tactics to retaliate.
Mumbai terrorist attacks could be motivated by India's repressive acts in Kashmir.
Indian government resorts to armed repression in Kashmir, killing 21 and wounding hundreds
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/aug
HRW Documents Repression In Kashmir
http://www.countercurrents.org/kashmir
5,000 Killed, 50,000 Homeless in India 'Pogrom'
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2002/0316
It could be that India keep on kill kill kill muslims, causing some frustrated people to form terrorist groups to retaliate.
You think normal people got nothing better to do than to go and carry out terrorist acts?
It's because their life is already fucked up by repression.
yeah right. And because of 'perceived repression', then it's ok to kill innocent men, women and children who had nothing to do with Kashmir or even made that decision to so call 'repress' kashmir?Do their killings did anything to end so called 'repression'? I am telling you it just made their situation a whole lot worse.
Support freedom by all means and end oppression. But killing innocent people is abosolutely reprehensive. Worse still manipulators use religion as a tool to support wholescale slaughter of non-combatants.
There will be no sympathy. The ultimate response will be ten times worse than what they did to humans, and for generations, for orphan sons and daughters, grieving mothers and fathers, and friends will not forgive nor forget.
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full of RUBBISH
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Originally posted by seyKai:
full of RUBBISH
and you...Empty vessel?
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- yeah right. And because of 'perceived repression', then it's ok to kill innocent men, women and children who had nothing to do with Kashmir or even made that decision to so call 'repress' kashmir?
As far as these men are concerned, their families and friends have also done nothing to deserve this 'perceived' repression.
Their loved ones has to make do with so little, and yet the people in Mumbai gets to enjoy so much, never having to struggle like them.
You make it sound so easy when you're living in comfort typing your logic out on a keyboard. When everyday's a constant struggle, and the people who oppresses you get to enjoy a rich lifestyle in fancy cities you'd be pretty angry too.
You treat these 'terrorists' as some warped individuals, like somehow they're freaks of nature completely different from your idea of a human. And this is precisely the sort of mentality that would continue to spawn more terrorists.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
and you...Empty vessel?
Rubbish is rubbish, rubbish belong to the trash like you
did Osama bin Ladin come from a poor familly?
was he was lack of the opportunity?
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
As far as these men are concerned, their families and friends have also done nothing to deserve this 'perceived' repression.
Their loved ones has to make do with so little, and yet the people in Mumbai gets to enjoy so much, never having to struggle like them.
You make it sound so easy when you're living in comfort typing your logic out on a keyboard. When everyday's a constant struggle, and the people who oppresses you get to enjoy a rich lifestyle in fancy cities you'd be pretty angry too.
You treat these 'terrorists' as some warped individuals, like somehow they're freaks of nature completely different from your idea of a human. And this is precisely the sort of mentality that would continue to spawn more terrorists.
Terrorists are certainly warped individuals. Which human would value another's human life so low to want to end it for him? They are animals and require no sympathy.
It's with thinking like you that allow terrorists to spawn, because both you and his religion seem to agree that killing innocent men women and children for whatever hurts is justified!