Wiping out the root of terrorism
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Nah, not true, FC. I am very fortunate to have grown up in Singapore. It is the only truly multi-ethnic society i knew despite my travels far abroad. I grew up with them and know of no such ambitions.
Muslims everywhere are truly peaceful people and no different from us, even though according to their holy book, written in the 6th century when enemies surrounded them - the rest of the world are infidels.
Their needs and desires are similar with everyone of us. We are all similar human beings, as DNA had proven. They were friendly, and one of the most hospitable people on Earth, comparable to the Thais.
But their lives are now being dictated and manipulated by ambitious deviants who hijack their peaceful religion in order to attain world domination.
We are no longer living in the 6th century, and for the religious, had been blessed to progress into the 21st century, to know better the marvel and wonders of an Almighty, becoming closer as never before. No modern doctor is an atheist once he performs surgery or discovers a particular gene.
But these terrorists want nothing better than to bomb us back to the stone age.
You yourself lamented why the Islamic community isn't doing anything to stem the violence in the Occupied Territories. Perhaps its because the violence is beget through Islam and nobody wants to admit it.
Are you warped in the mind? We are similar human beings as DNA has proven? Have you noticed: All of us are human beings?
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I hate to say this, but there's actually very little precedent for tolerance in most Muslim Empires in history.
Take for example:
1. Christians in the caliphates were tolerated but subjected to high taxes for not converting. While some might consider this as "tolerance", it is however unequivocal discrimination.
2. Zorosantrians were largely driven out of Persia; forced conversions among the conquered Persian populace was common after the conquest of Persia.
3. Greek Christian boys were often rounded up in the Ottoman empire to serve the Ottoman sultan. They were converted, and conditioned to be fanatical fighters of the Sultan.
That is not to say any other religion is free of blood. All religions, including Buddhism, are not immune from the excesses of the zealots.
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But this time, it just happens that the ball has been smashed from their court.
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You know, it's been so long but i think we've already forgotten about the Japanese terrorist cult.
http://www.japan-101.com/culture/aum_shinrikyo_cult.htm
Sort of dispells the notion only Muslims does it eh ?
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Yeah, during the good old days.
But it seems that any else other than Muslims is out of fashion these days.
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I am no longer sure what to be shocked at.
The carnage in Gaza or the thousands of 'moslems' who demostrated against Israel in the Middle-east and even Sydney.
I am in support for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, with BOTH sides - Israel and Hamas to stop the violence. Nothing can be achieve except more innocents dead.
But i am shocked at the display by 'moslems' who demostrated. They are actually supporting the terrorist group Hamas! The very culprits who had blasphemed the teachings of the good Prophet Muhammad.
They had been firing missles into Israel non stop for months and yet these moslems did nothing. But when Israel retaliated, as it rightfully should after several warnings, the moslems cry foul.
Muslims around the world had condemn terrorism done in Islam's name, but right before our eyes, these thousands of moslems had turn back on their words! And they did not even chatisizes the Hamas! What's happening?
Why are there still followers of this religion who support blasphemors? And what would be the effect on moderates? Would they fear for their lives and join in support of terrorism too?
No, we must give our whole hearted support of the moderates, who do not enjoy the killings of innocents on both sides. Many suscribe to the belief that religion is too sensitive, thus non-muslims must refrain from talking about it.
But it only plays into terrorists hands, for it isolates the moderates, whom will have no one but terrorists or radicals to turn to. We must engage with moderates to help them.
The principals of engagement in religion are:-
1. Respect each other's religion and right of worship and traditions
2. Find a common ground on which all religions shares - which is murder of innocents is abhorrent - even amongst atheist for they too believe in a supreme being subconciously. He is called Chance, Fate, or Destiny. The Almighty has many names. And each of us will ultimately acknowledge Him in our time.
3. Share with them and support them in their fight against radicals whom had hijack their religion for nefarious purposes.Many muslims i know hate terrorism and more so done in their peaceful religions name. But if everyone of non-muslims blame them, then they will have no one else to turn to except radicals.
We must stand side by side with our fellow humans who are muslims and moderates, but they in turn, must be open and prepared to help non-muslims to change the misconcepceptions and misinterpretations to fellow faithfuls of their religion and not be a tool to terrorists.
This is the only way to kill the terrorists idealogy. Not bullets or tanks. But it must be fast, otherwise if more innocents, muslim and non-muslim die, there may be no turning back to widespread war, as envisoned by seers.
A prediction, like an economic forcast, can only come true if nothing is done to avert it. It does not take into account the human free will and its ability to turn situations around.
Many predictions of disaster in mankind's history had been averted based on human free will and the collective necessity to act. So too must we act fast now, more so by our moderate muslims as well as non-muslims.
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They are actually supporting the terrorist group Hamas!
Why Hamas terrorist group?
Hamas was sponsered by Israel in its early days.
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How the Likud Bloc Mid-wifed the Birth of Hamas
http://www.counterpunch.org/hanania01182003.html
Hamas, Son of Israel
Hamas is a Creation of Mossad
“Israel created Hamas!”
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/
Hamas history tied to Israel
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I must say, that's new.
The Israeli version of Al Qaeda.
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Haiz....
why so troublesome...
Just throw enough nukes to burn the Gaza Strip, incinerate everything there then the Israel army occupies the 'cleansed' land.
As for West Bank, let it be a warning to them....
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Originally posted by Jianye:
Haiz....
why so troublesome...
Just throw enough nukes to burn the Gaza Strip, incinerate everything there then the Israel army occupies the 'cleansed' land.
As for West Bank, let it be a warning to them....
Wannabe advisor to Tzipi Livni.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Why Hamas terrorist group?
Hamas was sponsered by Israel in its early days.
Israel has created its own frankenstein and have to deal with it. As a result innocent civilians die.
Political Lesson Number 101:
Religion & Politics should not mix.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Why Hamas terrorist group?
Hamas was sponsered by Israel in its early days.
Well, the Hamas later turned them.
That's an important lesson the Israelis learned about the treacherous Arabs.
Sometimes, history teach us nothing.
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Israel's strategy was to set Hamas against Fatah and let the two annihilate off each other.
That was why it sponsored Hamas in its early days as a rival against Fatah.
For some reason, this type of plan always backfires.
For example Britain setting Germany against Russia; also resulted in a debacle for them.
...As a result of these attacks and a barrage of similar attacks on the treaty which continued year after year, British public opinion acquired a guilty conscience about the Treaty of Versailles, and was quite unprepared to take any steps to enforce it by 1930.
On this feeling, which owed so much to the British idea of sportsmanlike conduct toward a beaten opponent, was built the movement for appeasement.
This movement had two basic assumptions: (a) that reparation must be made for Britain's treatment of Germany in 1919 and (b) that if Germany's most obvious demands, such as arms equality, remilitarization of the Rhineland, and perhaps union with Austria, were met, Germany would become satisfied and peaceful. The trouble with this argument was that once Germany reached this point, it would be very difficult to prevent Germany from going further (such as taking the Sudetenland and the Polish Corridor).
Accordingly, many of the appeasers, when this point was reached in March 1938 went over to the anti-Bolshevik or "three-bloc" point of view, while some even went into the "peace at any price" group. It is likely that Chamberlain, Sir John Simon, and Sir Samuel Hoare went by this road from appeasement to anti-Bolshevism. At any rate, few influential people were still in the appeasement group by 1939 in the sense that they believed that Germany could ever be satisfied. Once this was realized, it seemed to many that the only solution was to bring Germany into contact with, or even collision with, the Soviet Union...
http://real-world-news.org/bk-quigley/
...And by this date, certain members of the Milner Group and of the British Conservative government had reached the fantastic idea that they could kill two birds with one stone by setting Germany and Russia against one another in Eastern Europe.
In this way they felt that the two enemies would stalemate one another, or that Germany would become satisfied with the oil of Rumania and the wheat of the Ukraine. It never occurred to anyone in a responsible position that Germany and Russia might make common cause, even temporarily, against the West. Even less did it occur to them that Russia might beat Germany and thus open all Central Europe to Bolshevism.
In order to carry out this plan of allowing Germany to drive eastward against Russia, it was necessary to do three things:
(1) to liquidate all the countries standing between Germany and Russia;
(2) to prevent France from honoring her alliances with these countries; and
(3) to hoodwink the English people into accepting this as a necessary, indeed, the only solution to the international problem.
The Chamberlain group were so successful in all three of these things that they came within an ace of succeeding, and failed only because of the obstinacy of the Poles, the unseemly haste of Hitler, and the fact that at the eleventh hour the Milner Group realized the implications of their policy and tried to reverse it...
"The documents received after the Munich conspiracy are particularly valuable. They analyze the post-Munich situation in Europe and clearly show that Britain was trying to draw Germany and the Soviet Union into active hostilities," Sotskov emphasized in an interview with RIA Novosti.
In a memo on December 21, 1938, Lavrenty Beria reported to Stalin about the Soviet-seized documents, which included reports of Finnish envoys to London, Paris, and Warsaw on Germany's eastward expansion, and the position of the British, French, and Polish governments on this issue.
Thus, Finnish Ambassador in London Grippenberg reported to his Foreign Ministry: "I heard the opinion that German propaganda of colonies is false. As Britons put it, it is a smokescreen to cover the preparations of a plan concerning Soviet Ukraine. Hitler himself told French Ambassador Francois-Poncet that he was not even thinking about any colonies," the document reads.
Later, on November 25, Grippenberg reported his conversation with a British government member who assured him that Britain and France would not interfere in Germany's eastward expansion.
"Britain's position is as follows: let's wait until Germany and the U.S.S.R. get involved in a big conflict," the document reads... -
Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:
I hate to say this, but there's actually very little precedent for tolerance in most Muslim Empires in history.
Take for example:
1. Christians in the caliphates were tolerated but subjected to high taxes for not converting. While some might consider this as "tolerance", it is however unequivocal discrimination.
2. Zorosantrians were largely driven out of Persia; forced conversions among the conquered Persian populace was common after the conquest of Persia.
3. Greek Christian boys were often rounded up in the Ottoman empire to serve the Ottoman sultan. They were converted, and conditioned to be fanatical fighters of the Sultan.
That is not to say any other religion is free of blood. All religions, including Buddhism, are not immune from the excesses of the zealots.
Buddhism having violent zealots? Any historical reference? People from the Buddhist forums claims that Buddhism doesn't any violent zealots.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Buddhism having violent zealots? Any historical reference? People from the Buddhist forums claims that Buddhism doesn't any violent zealots.
http://www.japan-101.com/culture/aum_shinrikyo_cult.htm
I won't say they're killing in the name of Buddhism like Christianity or Islam, since the religion doesn't believe in a supreme god.
But like Islam they selectively take portions of the scriptures and treat it as the Truth with dealing with others. They use the controversial Buddhist idea of poa, that under certain circumstances murder could spiritually elevate both the victim and the killer
I take this instance as an example that the ability to incite people to murdering others is hardly limited to any specific religion or culture. Any charismatic enough man with enough fools under him could do it.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Why Hamas terrorist group?
Hamas was sponsered by Israel in its early days.
....and mickey mouse was a creation by Hoover to keep the american public stupid! Enough of your conspiracy nonsense. People are dying!Shocking events willl never cease. As the palestinians, mostly terrorists and a few innocents die in Gaza, thousands wounded, Kaleed Meshaal, terrorist leader of the Hamas is resting in comfort in Syria!
This is the man who had misled the palestinians thru a mis-interpretation of the holy book, blasphemed the teachings of the good prophet Muhammed by seeking deaths of innocents, yet is not even lynched by faithful followers of the holy book.
If the fight with Israel is political, by all means aim the rockets and missiles at parliament buildings, why aim it at innocent habitation centres killing and oppressing innocent men, women and children?
And why should these terrorists, so called 'liberators of the palestinian people' hide amongst civilians, again inside civilian urban centres, ensuring further deaths, when facing the wrath of a bullied nation that Israel is?
Muslims around the world must stand up and make this animal Kaleed Meshaal answer for his crimes to humanity and religion!
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I don't consider Hamas terrorist group.
I consider them militant group figthing against Israeli oppression, occupation and aggression.
Terrorism and the origins of Israel
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003
ISRAEL'S SACRED TERRORISM
http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/essays/
King David Hotel bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I don't consider Hamas terrorist group.
I consider them militant group figthing against Israeli oppression, occupation and aggression.
Terrorism and the origins of Israel
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003
ISRAEL'S SACRED TERRORISM
http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/essays/
King David Hotel bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
Uncle, if Arafat is alive he will welcome you with open trouser. -
How Hypocrisy on 'Terrorism' Kills
Israel, a nation that was born out of Zionist terrorism, has launched massive airstrikes against targets in Gaza using high-tech weapons produced by the United States, a country that often has aided and abetted terrorism by its client military forces, such as Chile’s Operation Condor and the Nicaraguan contras, and even today harbors right-wing Cuban terrorists implicated in blowing up a civilian airliner...
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
How Hypocrisy on 'Terrorism' Kills
Israel, a nation that was born out of Zionist terrorism, has launched massive airstrikes against targets in Gaza using high-tech weapons produced by the United States, a country that often has aided and abetted terrorism by its client military forces, such as Chile’s Operation Condor and the Nicaraguan contras, and even today harbors right-wing Cuban terrorists implicated in blowing up a civilian airliner...
uncle u join the hamas or Ji? -
Originally posted by xtreyier:
....and mickey mouse was a creation by Hoover to keep the american public stupid! Enough of your conspiracy nonsense. People are dying!Shocking events willl never cease. As the palestinians, mostly terrorists and a few innocents die in Gaza, thousands wounded, Kaleed Meshaal, terrorist leader of the Hamas is resting in comfort in Syria!
This is the man who had misled the palestinians thru a mis-interpretation of the holy book, blasphemed the teachings of the good prophet Muhammed by seeking deaths of innocents, yet is not even lynched by faithful followers of the holy book.
If the fight with Israel is political, by all means aim the rockets and missiles at parliament buildings, why aim it at innocent habitation centres killing and oppressing innocent men, women and children?
And why should these terrorists, so called 'liberators of the palestinian people' hide amongst civilians, again inside civilian urban centres, ensuring further deaths, when facing the wrath of a bullied nation that Israel is?
Muslims around the world must stand up and make this animal Kaleed Meshaal answer for his crimes to humanity and religion!
Thats why the US, together with Israel, should get serious and invade Syria, Iran and maybe Lebanon to get serious with their War on Terror. Then they can set up puppet (mickey mouse) governments to ensure that terrorism ends.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
....and mickey mouse was a creation by Hoover to keep the american public stupid! Enough of your conspiracy nonsense. People are dying!Shocking events willl never cease. As the palestinians, mostly terrorists and a few innocents die in Gaza, thousands wounded, Kaleed Meshaal, terrorist leader of the Hamas is resting in comfort in Syria!
This is the man who had misled the palestinians thru a mis-interpretation of the holy book, blasphemed the teachings of the good prophet Muhammed by seeking deaths of innocents, yet is not even lynched by faithful followers of the holy book.
If the fight with Israel is political, by all means aim the rockets and missiles at parliament buildings, why aim it at innocent habitation centres killing and oppressing innocent men, women and children?
And why should these terrorists, so called 'liberators of the palestinian people' hide amongst civilians, again inside civilian urban centres, ensuring further deaths, when facing the wrath of a bullied nation that Israel is?
Muslims around the world must stand up and make this animal Kaleed Meshaal answer for his crimes to humanity and religion!
Why is whatever Poh said "conspiracy nonsense"? For what reason is his logic and history unacceptable to you?
In the intelligence community, this is called "blowback". The US also experienced this kind of crap when the Mujahedeen they funded to fight the Soviets started to burn American flags, spawning the Islamic terrorists that the MSM regularly condemns.
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The US also experienced this kind of crap when the Mujahedeen they funded to fight the Soviets
The USA wanted to lure the Soviets into a protracted war in Afghanistan so as to weaken them and tied down their troops.
The plan was formed sometime in mid 1979.
It was basically a strategy of setting the Afghans against the Soviets and let the two finish each other off.
Here are some details:
Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire...
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
The USA wanted to lure the Soviets into a protracted war in Afghanistan so as to weaken them and tied down their troops.
The plan was formed sometime in mid 1979.
It was basically a strategy of setting the Afghans against the Soviets and let the two finish each other off.
Here are some details:
Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire...
Jimmy Carter and Zbigniew Brezeinski (regular Bilderberger), both of whom were from the Trilateral Commission planned the creation of the "Arc of Crisis". It was Carter's advisor George Ball, another Trilateralist and Bilderberger, who proposed backing the Ayatollah in Iran and the 1979 Revolution to boost the wave of Islamic fundamentalism that helped the Mujahedeen's cause.