Wiping out the root of terrorism
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
This is a country at war. I dont deny the horrible things that the Iraqis commit against Western forces. Killing cannot be whitewashed by any euphemisms, even fighting against an occupying forces.
But you seem to think that the US is a beacon of freedom and democracy in Iraq. DU is a serious problem, not a conspiracy theory. 1500-2000 tons were vapourised into the air when DU bombs landed on Iraq during Shock and Awe. Similar weaponry were used in Kosovo and spread radioactivity across Yugoslavia. Isn't that just like using nukes?
Depleted Uranium penetrators were used to kill armored targets during the war (there was little other use for it). Lethal weapons against legit military targets. Yes, you can criticize the Americans for using them, but many American tank crews especially loaders also paid the price for handling them.
Bearing in mind, the Iraqis under Saddam Hussein deliberately used chemical weapons on non-military targets and on their own people. Which of these 2 are more deliberate and evil? DU on military targets or WMDs on civilian targets?
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Depleted Uranium penetrators were used to kill armored targets during the war (there was little other use for it). Lethal weapons against legit military targets. Yes, you can criticize the Americans for using them, but many American tank crews especially loaders also paid the price for handling them.
Bearing in mind, the Iraqis under Saddam Hussein deliberately used chemical weapons on non-military targets and on their own people. Which of these 2 are more deliberate and evil? DU on military targets or WMDs on civilian targets?
So they die die have to use these depleted Uranium penetrators to kill off armored targets because they have little other use for it?Both are evil...
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Exactly. DU munitions may be very effective in destroying armoured targets but the repercussions are inhumane.
And as I said, Saddam was inhumane for gassing the kurds but which country has the largest WMD arsenal in the world and armed Iraq?
Both are as inhumane and deserve to be charged for war crimes.
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FC, there you go again. I had not wanted to debate with you on DU, but your conspiracy theories are what manipulators use to sell their murder plans to recruits and sympathizing village idiot mullahs and imans who have no inkling of what physics is.
DU has a half life of 4.5 billion years, which means it releases half its radiation in that time. I doubt if it even raises the background radiation level in several lifetimes.
The arabs and others will die more from CFC and ozone damage from their oil and gas processing plants, dumping of toxic wastes into the sea than DU ever will.
DU happens in most of commercial products and their production anyway. Even toilet paper production uses it to analysis the thickness of the paper. Do watch your fear mongering, it is only helping terrorists gain sympathy.
Believe me, if the Al Qaeda succeeds in gaining sympathy and recruits as it had done for the past 7 years, radicalising even fundamental Islam, with regular chants of 'Death to US, Death to Jews, Death to Infidels", achieving political power and dominance as well as nuclear weapons, the free world will have to worry about nuclear winters for generations than mere DU.
PS. If your kind happen to know where Elvis lives, please let me know. I would like to get his autograph, it's worth millions when your kind finally let him rest in peace.
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Dear Mr. Policeman,
I'm innocent.
These are the people you need to arrest *Points to Osama, Saddam*
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i TS,
I do agree with you on this -> "Despite your obvious and blatant sympathy for terrorists, there must be a common ground which we can agree upon. And that ground is that there is no justification in killing innocent men, women and children whatsoever." This is your strongest point thus far.
Do you deny that there are also innocents that are lost/killed in the war against terrorisms on the other side? There are also peace-loving muslims that hate this war, and are killed too. Inevitably, this drives their hatred towards the people who are now in their lands, putting smart bombs down their neighbourhood and cities. And milking precious oil for their own benefits. What do you say to that?
For me, when I see these terrorists, they are also people. But they are driven to insanity due to some crooked truths that are fed to them. But there are real elements of truths inside, and hence these people are willing to die for what they believe in. Looking at history, what triggers this terrorists? We never hear of this in the 80s right?
So what we are experiencing now is some so-called superpowers going to civilisations that they think they know, messed it up, then jumped sides to try to balance things. And now things get ugly, and they try to call the world to sort out their mess, is that right?
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We need Gundams in this world.
Gundam 00 is a good anime.
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Let me list the stuff I mentioned and see if they really were conspiracy theories.1. DU in Iraq
Depleted Uranium Radioactive Contamination In Iraq: An Overview- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=AL-20060831&articleId=3116
2. Smart bombs in Iraq dont help at all
654,965 Extra Iraqi Deaths Since War Started Says The Lancet- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3460
That was about two years ago, the number today is probably more than a million.
3. Iraqi resistance not Al-Qaeda, instead aimed against an occupying power
All Iraqi Groups Blame US invasion for discord- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/18/AR2007121802262_pf.html
4. Al Qaeda and Saddam were not associated
Hussen's Iraq and Al Qaeda not linked, Pentagon says- http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/13/alqaeda.saddam/index.html
5. US-Iraq SOFA a sham for Iraqi sovereignty
U.S. Would Control Profits from Iraqi Oil Exports Under Agreement- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11130
6. Afghan invasion not connected with 9/11
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/preplanned.html?q=preplanned.html
7. Iraqi invasion nothing to do with WMDs
CIA Final Report, No WMD found in Iraq- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/
8. US sold Iraq bio-chem weapons to use against Iran
Arming Iraq: A chronology of US involvement- http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.php
I dont think any of us can say that we are sufficiently schooled in physics to be an authority on DU. If only you read the article on DU, you would have known what a conspiracy theorist you are.
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
And milking precious oil for their own benefits. What do you say to that?
How can the Arabs become rich if no country buys the oil? Where did the technology of extracting oil from the ground come from?
The world needs oil and the Arabs need oil money to improve the lives of their people - sad to say not all Arabs benefit from the oil wealth.
For the Arabs to present themselves as scapegoats or use oil as blackmail is not going to help them.
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i agree with xtreyier that terrorism cannot be won through bullets alone.
I propose we use brainwashing technology to 'wash' away the bad thoughts generated and install 'moderate thoughts'
Best if the machine that does this can affect a region
OR
Like the gundam seed series, use genetic technology to alter human behaviour.
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
i TS,
I do agree with you on this -> "Despite your obvious and blatant sympathy for terrorists, there must be a common ground which we can agree upon. And that ground is that there is no justification in killing innocent men, women and children whatsoever." This is your strongest point thus far.
Do you deny that there are also innocents that are lost/killed in the war against terrorisms on the other side? There are also peace-loving muslims that hate this war, and are killed too. Inevitably, this drives their hatred towards the people who are now in their lands, putting smart bombs down their neighbourhood and cities. And milking precious oil for their own benefits. What do you say to that?
For me, when I see these terrorists, they are also people. But they are driven to insanity due to some crooked truths that are fed to them. But there are real elements of truths inside, and hence these people are willing to die for what they believe in. Looking at history, what triggers this terrorists? We never hear of this in the 80s right?
So what we are experiencing now is some so-called superpowers going to civilisations that they think they know, messed it up, then jumped sides to try to balance things. And now things get ugly, and they try to call the world to sort out their mess, is that right?
I am glad you agree with me that there is no justification in killing of innocents.
But I am sadden that you would view terrorists as people.
At the time when men, on free will, started seeking divine guidance, the world was a different and more barbaric than the one today.
As such, sacred religious texts were a record of divine instructions to handle the barbarism of yestereons, which has little relevance to today, as mankind had evolved into civilised and thinking beings, saved for those who still live in backward regions of our world with little or no freedom or even basic human rights of which religions were the basic building blocks so that we may all live in peace with one another in a civilised and shared world.
Whatever religion one believes in, the very basic belief is that we were created by a Supreme Being. Just as a father or a mother whom will weep when their innocent son or daughter is cut down brutually and senselessly, so to will our creator weep at the destruction of His creation, given the precious gift of life.In us, lays a part of His nature and that is love and concern. How else can we account for miracles - seemingly impossible odds becoming possible, even as a man of science that i am and cannot account for it scientifically, excpet to put in down to the love and concern shown by our Creator?
Each of us in time, eventually will seek our Creator, the way a prodigal son will return to seek his parents after realizing that we are flawed and imperfect despite the hubris of our intelligence and limits to our humanly capabilities to effect changes.
Thus, who has that right to claim the lives of innocents, destroying the work and gifts of our Creator, except beasts who deny all rights to humans such as wild animals or a destructor commonly known amongst the religious as Satan?
And isnt it worse if you sympathise with these animals and going against our Creator?
I will not deny that there are disagreements that would cause unhappiness. But we thinking and rational beings. Diplomacy is always the best solution to find ways of compromises, which had worked for centuries.
Strikes, protests, riots, and even unavoidable wars are comprehensible, for in our flawed ways, we have yet to evolve to full enlightenment.
We need to learn from our mistakes inorder that we grow. At least in the above mentioned cases, it happens only amongst combatants, people whom are prepared mentally and physically to give as much as they will receive and know full well the price they have to pay.
There is no need to resort to killing of innocents or sympathising with the animals. Specific targetting of innocents is an abomination, to both religious and secularists humans! -
Originally posted by xtreyier:
I am glad you agree with me that there is no justification in killing of innocents.
But I am sadden that you would view terrorists as people.
At the time when men, on free will, started seeking divine guidance, the world was a different and more barbaric than the one today.
As such, sacred religious texts were a record of divine instructions to handle the barbarism of yestereons, which has little relevance to today, as mankind had evolved into civilised and thinking beings, saved for those who still live in backward regions of our world with little or no freedom or even basic human rights of which religions were the basic building blocks so that we may all live in peace with one another in a civilised and shared world.
Whatever religion one believes in, the very basic belief is that we were created by a Supreme Being. Just as a father or a mother whom will weep when their innocent son or daughter is cut down brutually and senselessly, so to will our creator weep at the destruction of His creation, given the precious gift of life.In us, lays a part of His nature and that is love and concern. How else can we account for miracles - seemingly impossible odds becoming possible, even as a man of science that i am and cannot account for it scientifically, excpet to put in down to the love and concern shown by our Creator?
Each of us in time, eventually will seek our Creator, the way a prodigal son will return to seek his parents after realizing that we are flawed and imperfect despite the hubris of our intelligence and limits to our humanly capabilities to effect changes.
Thus, who has that right to claim the lives of innocents, destroying the work and gifts of our Creator, except beasts who deny all rights to humans such as wild animals or a destructor commonly known amongst the religious as Satan?
And isnt it worse if you sympathise with these animals and going against our Creator?
I will not deny that there are disagreements that would cause unhappiness. But we thinking and rational beings. Diplomacy is always the best solution to find ways of compromises, which had worked for centuries.
Strikes, protests, riots, and even unavoidable wars are comprehensible, for in our flawed ways, we have yet to evolve to full enlightenment.
We need to learn from our mistakes inorder that we grow. At least in the above mentioned cases, it happens only amongst combatants, people whom are prepared mentally and physically to give as much as they will receive and know full well the price they have to pay.
There is no need to resort to killing of innocents or sympathising with the animals. Specific targetting of innocents is an abomination, to both religious and secularists humans!By saying that "terrorists" are not people, not human beings, you are showing how barbaric and hypocritical YOU are while at the same time, using religious connotations to put on a pretense of moral superiority. It is this kind of sick mentality that fuels the Eugenics movement. That not all human beings are equal. Darwin's Origins of Species is also titled "The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle For Life". Hitler also believed in this kind of sick thinking and that resulted in the Holocaust of 6 million+ human beings.
Who gave you the right to strip another human being of his inherent nature? Are you God?
I absolutely agree that killing civilians is deplorable. If Islamic radicals do it, they should be punished under the Law. But if (Western) governments do it, everything is whitewashed? During WWII, the Allies firebombed Dresden and killed about 40,000 civilians even though the Germans were by all standards defeated. Thats not including the many instances of indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets. Granted, it was a war against fascism (really?), but I still dont understand why Standard Oil, IBM and others, supported IG Farden's militarist transformation of Germany. Then the US atomic-bombed Japan even though Japan was also by all means defeated. Even the 1946 US Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that the atomic bombings were unnecessary. In fact, it was a psychological tool to scare the world (and the Soviets) into submission. During the Korean War, the US bombed refugees. Have all these been conveniently ignored?
When the US/NATO bombed Yugoslavia and balkanised that country, backing war criminal Hashim Thaci, was for freedom and democracy?
A while ago, I posted this on another thread:
"Under the the "Violent Radicalisation and Homegrown Terrorism Act", HR 1955 awaiting senate vote in the US:
"The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual..."
What is the difference between force and violence in the physical sense? Or are they supposed to mean two things?
Besides the sense of physical violence, force could mean:
1. Intellectual power or vigor, especially as conveyed in writing or speech.
2. A capacity for affecting the mind or behavior
Substituted into the definition of HR 1955, these two definitions of "force" makes HR 1955 seem designed to criminalise dissent. Now, is this too far-fetch'd a conclusion to reach?"
Decades ago, governments usually called their opponents "communist". Today, the label seems to be "terrorist". In the US, the TSA has a terrorist watch-list which has surpassed 1 million and growing. Do you think that there are 1 million potential terrorists in the US? For your information, many on that list are dissidents or activists that have been criminalised for opposing the US Government. When you and other people take away from "terrorists" inherent rights of human beings, how are you morally superior to say, the people in charge of Guantanamo Bay? As important, like how HR 1955 and the PATRIOT Act show, dissent can be labelled as "terrorist" acts and punished accordingly.
If there are really Islamic terrorists wrecking havoc, then I also condemn that. But not as far as to deny them humanity. Excusing all other perpetrators of barbaric acts of violence and focusing on demonised groups that the MSM puts on, is just plain idiotic.
Accuse me of putting forward "conspiracy theories" all you want. The violence against US forces in Iraq is mostly resistance from the Iraqi people to the occupation. While the US invades a overwhelmingly inferior country in the name of non-existent WMDs in a blatant act of aggression, to steal its oil wealth, it can call its opponents "'terrorists" and people like you swallow that lie, and conveniently forget the inconvenient truth.
You're probably as Christian as GWB then.
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But I am sadden that you would view terrorists as people.
They are people.
That is why they commit acts of terror.
Animals won't conduct acts of terror.
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Great thesis.
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
By saying that "terrorists" are not people, not human beings, you are showing how barbaric and hypocritical YOU are while at the same time, using religious connotations to put on a pretense of moral superiority. It is this kind of sick mentality that fuels the Eugenics movement. That not all human beings are equal. Darwin's Origins of Species is also titled "The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle For Life". Hitler also believed in this kind of sick thinking and that resulted in the Holocaust of 6 million+ human beings.
Who gave you the right to strip another human being of his inherent nature? Are you God?
I absolutely agree that killing civilians is deplorable. If Islamic radicals do it, they should be punished under the Law. But if (Western) governments do it, everything is whitewashed? During WWII, the Allies firebombed Dresden and killed about 40,000 civilians even though the Germans were by all standards defeated. Thats not including the many instances of indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets. Granted, it was a war against fascism (really?), but I still dont understand why Standard Oil, IBM and others, supported IG Farden's militarist transformation of Germany. Then the US atomic-bombed Japan even though Japan was also by all means defeated. Even the 1946 US Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that the atomic bombings were unnecessary. In fact, it was a psychological tool to scare the world (and the Soviets) into submission. During the Korean War, the US bombed refugees. Have all these been conveniently ignored?
When the US/NATO bombed Yugoslavia and balkanised that country, backing war criminal Hashim Thaci, was for freedom and democracy?
A while ago, I posted this on another thread:
"Under the the "Violent Radicalisation and Homegrown Terrorism Act", HR 1955 awaiting senate vote in the US:
"The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual..."
What is the difference between force and violence in the physical sense? Or are they supposed to mean two things?
Besides the sense of physical violence, force could mean:
1. Intellectual power or vigor, especially as conveyed in writing or speech.
2. A capacity for affecting the mind or behavior
Substituted into the definition of HR 1955, these two definitions of "force" makes HR 1955 seem designed to criminalise dissent. Now, is this too far-fetch'd a conclusion to reach?"
Decades ago, governments usually called their opponents "communist". Today, the label seems to be "terrorist". In the US, the TSA has a terrorist watch-list which has surpassed 1 million and growing. Do you think that there are 1 million potential terrorists in the US? For your information, many on that list are dissidents or activists that have been criminalised for opposing the US Government. When you and other people take away from "terrorists" inherent rights of human beings, how are you morally superior to say, the people in charge of Guantanamo Bay? As important, like how HR 1955 and the PATRIOT Act show, dissent can be labelled as "terrorist" acts and punished accordingly.
If there are really Islamic terrorists wrecking havoc, then I also condemn that. But not as far as to deny them humanity. Excusing all other perpetrators of barbaric acts of violence and focusing on demonised groups that the MSM puts on, is just plain idiotic.
Accuse me of putting forward "conspiracy theories" all you want. The violence against US forces in Iraq is mostly resistance from the Iraqi people to the occupation. While the US invades a overwhelmingly inferior country in the name of non-existent WMDs in a blatant act of aggression, to steal its oil wealth, it can call its opponents "'terrorists" and people like you swallow that lie, and conveniently forget the inconvenient truth.
You're probably as Christian as GWB then.
FC. thanks for your diatribe and rant.
Your are merely arguing for the sake of arguing, to show off your supposedly ' intellect' after i had exposed your infantile mentality time and time again.Your over-inflated ego demands of it. If it is superiority you seek, by all means take it all your want, if you do get any prize at all. others here can see for themselves.
But of critical importance, do remember why we are here contributing to this thread - to prevent further innocent lives being taken by beasts in an undeclared war and being specifically targetted.
While i do not expect much from you, as your impenetrably baffled mind had already been twisted by convoluted conspiracies that warps your perceptions and disability to comprehend simple logic, gullibily accepted half truths and lies as full truths, but i must say that it is your kind that fuels the growth of terrorism by giving excuses for these animals to get sympathy and recruits in their heinous crimes against religion and society.
And the simple logic based on the fundamental question asked, sparing labyrinthine excuses is - Do terrorists have the right to murder innocent civilians - man, women and children for any reason and get sympathy for their acts?
You had already agree NO to it. So spare us your tangled and serpentine reasons why terrorists are what they are.These terrorists and their sympathizers are no different from the wolves that attack you while travelling the countrysides -worse than wild animals because animals can still differentiate if you are a threat, but these beasts just smile and blow your brains out.
Do something constructive for a change, FC. My suggestion to you is to for once, leave your brains on when conspiracy theorists ask you to come with an open mind, and for you not to leave it at the door when you enter their discussions.
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ISRAEL'S SACRED TERRORISM
To all the Palestinian victims of Israel's unholy terrorism, whose sacrifice, suffering and ongoing struggle will yet prove to be the pangs of the rebirth of Palestine...
ONE: Start immediate action to prevent or postpone Anglo-Egyptian Agreement. Objectives are: one, cultural and information centers; two, economic institutions; three, cars of British representatives and other Britons; four, whichever target whose sabotage could bring about a worsening of diplomatic relations. TWO. Inform us on possibilities of action in Canal Zone. THREE. Listen to us every day at 7 o'clock on wavelength G.
This coded cable was sent to the Israeli spy ring which had been planted in Egypt many months before it was activated in July 1954. The ring originally was to serve as a fifth column during the next war. The cable was preceded by oral instructions given by Colonel Benjamin Givii, head of Israel's military intelligence, to an officer headed for Cairo to join the ring. These instructions were:
[Our goal is] to break the West's confidence in the existing [Egyptian] regime .... The actions should cause arrests, demonstrations, and expressions of revenge. The Israeli origin should be totally covered while attention should be shifted to any other possible factor. The purpose is to prevent economic and military aid from the West to Egypt. The choice of the precise objectives to be sabotaged will be left to the men on the spot, who should evaluate the possible consequences of each action ... in terms of creating commotion and public disorders.13
These orders were carried out between July 2 and July 27, 1954, by the network which was composed of about ten Egyptian Jews under the command of Israeli agents...
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
FC. thanks for your diatribe and rant.
Your are merely arguing for the sake of arguing, to show off your supposedly ' intellect' after i had exposed your infantile mentality time and time again.Your over-inflated ego demands of it. If it is superiority you seek, by all means take it all your want, if you do get any prize at all. others here can see for themselves.
But of critical importance, do remember why we are here contributing to this thread - to prevent further innocent lives being taken by beasts in an undeclared war and being specifically targetted.
While i do not expect much from you, as your impenetrably baffled mind had already been twisted by convoluted conspiracies that warps your perceptions and disability to comprehend simple logic, gullibily accepted half truths and lies as full truths, but i must say that it is your kind that fuels the growth of terrorism by giving excuses for these animals to get sympathy and recruits in their heinous crimes against religion and society.
And the simple logic based on the fundamental question asked, sparing labyrinthine excuses is - Do terrorists have the right to murder innocent civilians - man, women and children for any reason and get sympathy for their acts?
You had already agree NO to it. So spare us your tangled and serpentine reasons why terrorists are what they are.These terrorists and their sympathizers are no different from the wolves that attack you while travelling the countrysides -worse than wild animals because animals can still differentiate if you are a threat, but these beasts just smile and blow your brains out.
Do something constructive for a change, FC. My suggestion to you is to for once, leave your brains on when conspiracy theorists ask you to come with an open mind, and for you not to leave it at the door when you enter their discussions.
By all means, continue the facade of moral superiority while denying another human being recognition of being a human being.
Those that kill from 50,000 feet and call dead humans "collateral damage" are no better than those that "smile and blow your brains out".
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Terrorism and the origins of Israel
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Terrorism and the origins of Israel
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/
George Washington and gang were also terrorists.
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A BOMB explosion killed two office girls in the Hongkong and Shanghai Bank building known as MacDonald House in Orchard Road here this afternoon. At least 33 other people were injured.
The extent of the damage on the mezzanine floor of the 10-storey building made it a simple matter to determine where the bomb was placed -- near the lift.
An inner wall at this level was blasted inwards and collapsed in a mass of rubble into the bank on the ground floor...
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
FC. thanks for your diatribe and rant.
Your are merely arguing for the sake of arguing, to show off your supposedly ' intellect' after i had exposed your infantile mentality time and time again.Your over-inflated ego demands of it. If it is superiority you seek, by all means take it all your want, if you do get any prize at all. others here can see for themselves.
But of critical importance, do remember why we are here contributing to this thread - to prevent further innocent lives being taken by beasts in an undeclared war and being specifically targetted.
While i do not expect much from you, as your impenetrably baffled mind had already been twisted by convoluted conspiracies that warps your perceptions and disability to comprehend simple logic, gullibily accepted half truths and lies as full truths, but i must say that it is your kind that fuels the growth of terrorism by giving excuses for these animals to get sympathy and recruits in their heinous crimes against religion and society.
And the simple logic based on the fundamental question asked, sparing labyrinthine excuses is - Do terrorists have the right to murder innocent civilians - man, women and children for any reason and get sympathy for their acts?
You had already agree NO to it. So spare us your tangled and serpentine reasons why terrorists are what they are.These terrorists and their sympathizers are no different from the wolves that attack you while travelling the countrysides -worse than wild animals because animals can still differentiate if you are a threat, but these beasts just smile and blow your brains out.
Do something constructive for a change, FC. My suggestion to you is to for once, leave your brains on when conspiracy theorists ask you to come with an open mind, and for you not to leave it at the door when you enter their discussions.
For someone that professes to be superior, you sure engage in too many ad hominem attacks. I'll keep it simple to avoid being "intellectual".
Do you agree that people that kill other people should be punished by the Law? Yes/No
Do you agree that only people labelled as "terrorists" should be judged for their actions? Yes/No
Do you agree that only religious fundamentalists commit terrorist acts, conveniently ignoring the (recent) history of western atrocities? Yes/No
Do you agree that all human beings are created equal and have inalienable rights? Yes/No
Do you think that the US demonstrates morally superiority in (atomic and fire) bombing already defeated countries? Yes/No
Do you know that Standard Oil supplied IG Farben during WWII? Yes/No (http://web.mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/3/oil.html)
Do you know that IBM sold its Hollerith punch card system to Hitler to assist in the Final Solution? Yes/No -(http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/)
Do you agree that people who rationalise the actions of those who attack US Forces in Iraq are terrorists, and should be treated as such? Yes/No
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Poh, you another one. Spare us your historical baggages. Shall i list down terrorist acts conducted since mankind began? Let me tell it too, it began in the middle-east, where many believed where the cradle of civilisation began, beginning with the Sumerians, deciphered from existing clay tablets found there.
And also, do tell me, what does a New Zealander have to do with the middle east that he deserved to die from terrorists' butcheries?
The issue here is :- is the specific targetting of innocent men, women and children for death justifiable or mitigating factors even acceptable?
You and others can hate me all your want, but do not let my words or my perceived personality cloud your own moral judgement to help stop terrorism effectively. I am not important, but the innocent lives of others are!
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Arent you "innocent"? Isn't your own life important?
It seems you think otherwise.
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Arent you "innocent"? Isn't your own life important?
It seems you think otherwise.
What you in your pathetic convoluted space out mind think is not a personal issue with me. I leave it to others to assess and judge the merits of our own posts.I know that i will not be able to convince some people, least of all conspiracy theorists, but any futher new terrorists attacks will be upon your kind's head for feeding them with half truths and lies to gain sympathy and new suicide bomber recruits.
I sincerly hope you and your kind may not face the end barrel of gun pointed at your head from a terrorist. You too, are a human, one of us, even though a misguided and spaced out one.
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Dont you have a sense of humour?
At least you're showing some realisation that "conspiracy theorists" are human. Thats an improvement. Though my "kind" is grateful for the blame for terrorist attacks.
Care to answer those direct questions with logic in mind or are you capable only of ad hominems?