Originally posted by awestruck:Aww geez...Did Mazohyst stick his foot in his mouth again??
He just had to go and spoil everyone's fun....When will you learn to keep your horrible little comments to yourself?
___________________________________________________Originally posted by kyas:I WAS JUST EXPLAINING IN THE VIEW OF ISLAM... WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? DID I INSULT ANYBODY? DID I INSULT OTHER RELIGIONS? NO I DID NOT.... I KEPT REPEATING THE WORD "WE BELIEVE" ... "WE BELIEVE" ... AND I DID NOT ASK ANY OF YOU TO BELIEVE... YOU ARE FREE TO SAY WHAT YOU BELIEVE... IN FACT ATOBE HAS MENTIONED THAT HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN RELIGION... DID I CRITICIZED HIM? NO..... IT IS UP TO HIM... IF HE THINKS THAT THERE IS NO GOD... THEN IT IS UP TO HIM... BUT DO ANY OF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE SUCH INSULTING REMARKS?
KENAPA DENGAN YOU ALL NI... ISH... TAK DER RESPEK LA...
Originally posted by kyas:I WAS JUST EXPLAINING IN THE VIEW OF ISLAM... WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? DID I INSULT ANYBODY? DID I INSULT OTHER RELIGIONS? NO I DID NOT.... I KEPT REPEATING THE WORD "WE BELIEVE" ... "WE BELIEVE" ... AND I DID NOT ASK ANY OF YOU TO BELIEVE... YOU ARE FREE TO SAY WHAT YOU BELIEVE... IN FACT ATOBE HAS MENTIONED THAT HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN RELIGION... DID I CRITICIZED HIM? NO..... IT IS UP TO HIM... IF HE THINKS THAT THERE IS NO GOD... THEN IT IS UP TO HIM... BUT DO ANY OF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE SUCH INSULTING REMARKS?
KENAPA DENGAN YOU ALL NI... ISH... TAK DER RESPEK LA...
I believer it wasnt actually Kyas that brought up that point...If you read the posts I think you'll find that it was "stupidissmart" who introduced the aspect of forbidden meats.Originally posted by Atobe:___________________________________________________
However, I find it difficult to understand the reason for you to bring up the matter of food that cuts into another person's cultural and dietary preference.
one word is F**K to them!! want us to be tolerance to others and they doesn't even practise tolerance. now i know why local companies have not much muslims.it's not racist, it must be a " haram" to work under other people other than muslim people!Originally posted by Atobe:This was highlighted in a recent Singapore Strait Times report which featured a young Malay girl (6 or 7 years old) eating noodles with chopsticks, and she was chided by her class teacher for committing "Haram" - a Major Sin in Islam - for eating with chopsticks and not with her hands.
Such is the stupidity of human vanity displayed by "Current Day" Human, in trying to be cleverer than the original Ancient Author of the Holy Book written in ancient time.
Originally posted by Atobe:I agree with you Atobe. This is yet another example of misunderstanding of the fundamental of religion. It is not the teaching is wrong, it is the individual.
This was highlighted in a recent Singapore Strait Times report which featured a young Malay girl (6 or 7 years old) eating noodles with chopsticks, and she was chided by her class teacher for committing "Haram" - a Major Sin in Islam - for eating with chopsticks and not with her hands.
Such is the stupidity of human vanity displayed by "Current Day" Human, in trying to be cleverer than the original Ancient Author of the Holy Book written in ancient time.
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Thank you for the kind introduction. After reading most of the articles I find that the world at large REALLY REALLY doesnt know what its talking about when they say they're religious.Originally posted by Atobe:"awestruck" - for your interest to know more about Islam's objection to pork, you may wish to visit the following site:
http://www.islamset.com/hip/pork/index.html
You can also go to
www.altavista.com
and type in some "key words" - such as "diet pork islam" - or any other words of interests, and it will regurgitate quite a few articles that may help you get more information of what you need.
Perhaps “awestruck” is searching for the “Word of God” instructing that “pork” shall be forbidden from consumption.Originally posted by kyas:I still do not understand what you mean by "religious reason".
Originally posted by Atobe:Perhaps “awestruck” is searching for the “Word of God” instructing that “pork” shall be forbidden from consumption.
Hmm.....Originally posted by kyas:Religion is not only about the good and evil or God and devil. It is a guideline of how one should live.
____________________________________________________Originally posted by kyas:There are many verses in Quran providing guidelines for our consumptions. The following are the most relevant with regard to our discussion. I will provide the translation in Malay since I do not have an English translation. This is to avoid any misleading information due to my poor translation to English:
Al-AnÂ’am:145
Katakanlah (wahai Muhammad): “Aku tidak dapati dalam apa yang aku wahyukan kepadaku, sesuatu yang diharamkan bagi orang yang hendak memakannya melainkan kalau benda itu bangkai, atau darah yang mengalir, atau daging babi, kerana sesungguhnya ia adalah kotor, atau dilakukan secara fasik, iaitu binatang yang disembelih atas nama selain dari Allah”. Kemudian sesiapa yang terpaksa (memakannya kerana darurat) sedang ia tidak menginginkannya dan tidak melampaui batas, maka sesungguhnya Tuhanmu Maha Pengampun, lagi Maha mengasihani”
From what I understand from the above verse and related to our discussion, pork is prohibited because simply it is “kotor” or dirty. So, what do we understand by the word dirty (in relation to food)? It is just simply means unhealthy or bad for health.
But then, at the end of the sentence it was announced that in a situation where a Muslim does not have any other choice, he is allowed to eat pork as long as not too much.
Religion is not only about the good and evil or God and devil. It is a guideline of how one should live.
This is only an eye opener for the people who did not realize it... the rule has always been in the Quran for many decades... you can ask the Majlis Ugama Islam Singapura if you wantÂ…Originally posted by Atobe:____________________________________________________
So it seems that the Holy Book of Islam allow a Muslim to consume the prohibitted meat under certain extreme circumstances - this is certainly an eye opener, which I hope is not a start to a new controversy for the Muslim Community.
Hopefully, this unknown ruling is made more public to the general Muslim Faithfuls, and also to the non-Muslim people at large, so that both communities can work, eat, (nearly included sleep) side by side in total harmony.Originally posted by kyas:This is only an eye opener for the people who did not realize it... the rule has always been in the Quran for many decades... you can ask the Majlis Ugama Islam Singapura if you wantÂ…
mmm... I do not remember mentioning Quran says that Muslims must hate people who eat pork... I also do not remember mentioning Quran says that eating pork can cause death... did I?Originally posted by stupidissmart:My my... I never thought I got hated so much nowsaday
Anyway this is my views on muslim diet
Why say pork is unhealthy in the first place ? Yes, it is fat, but fat is one of most important nutrient for a healthy well being. Fat is like a water bottle, able for one to store energy and used when needed, such as time when people r fasting... It is just nowsaday peopel have too much fat in their diet, thus giving people the idea tat fatty is unhealthy. From wat I know, pork has the highest value of vitamin B compared to other meat. If u r talking about unhealthy, then mutton is worst because it has higher cholestrol level and It is not any less oily food either.
In times of old, when most people r starving, people r having deficit of fat rather than too much, pork may be their only way of inquiring fat. Why ban them 2002 years ago ?
Anyway best prove is tat Japanese eat pork too, why they lives the longest ?
Frankly speaking Atobe... I am really sad to see people hate each other just because of pork and other issues that is actually tolerable... yes.. hopefully...Originally posted by Atobe:Hopefully, this unknown ruling is made more public to the general Muslim Faithfuls, and also to the non-Muslim people at large, so that both communities can work, eat, (nearly included sleep) side by side in total harmony.
Unfortunately, there will always be some ambitious people willing to use the old method of "Divide and Rule", and accentuate the differences that exist in any societies, so as to isolate the various community to make it easier for them to fulfill their own ambitions.