Singapore's lawyers
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Uncle Chin Eng subject to further investigation and interview if he is pro PAP or neutral.
neutral.....
how about angel7030 being investigated if she is really a chiobu?
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
bad example....a gun in the head results in instant death if the trigger is pulled.
gopalan nair was serving a jail term... it is not a death sentence.
in singapore the offsprings of the oppositions are not targetted and can have a prosperous life, eg Philip Jeyaratnam.
.... to bend your principles so that you can continue to be a man of principles??? what the heck is that?
I never said u should bend or abandon your principles, you can still hold them.. Just not be foolish enough to state your innermost convictions about a thief to him when the thief has a gun pointed to your head. You'd just do what the thief wants; i.e give him your money (remove the blog post)
My gun is not meant to be literal, it is an analogy so its a metaphorical gun? like threat of jail term?
So if i get what you're trying to say if you're in Gopalan Nair's shoes you'd rather serve the jail term than remove posts in your blog?
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Originally posted by ulquiorra87:
I never said u should bend or abandon your principles, you can still hold them.. Just not be foolish enough to state your innermost convictions about a thief to him when the thief has a gun pointed to your head. You'd just do what the thief wants; i.e give him your money (remove the blog post)
My gun is not meant to be literal, it is an analogy so its a metaphorical gun? like threat of jail term?
So if i get what you're trying to say if you're in Gopalan Nair's shoes you'd rather serve the jail term than remove posts in your blog?
at the end of the day, each of us will have our own breaking point.....i am sure i will break if i have a knife point at my heart, and my family members are held hostage...
we are now talking about political struggles... which in some cases are paid in blood. i am sure gopalan nair has very strong convictions over many issues. however, can he be counted amount those who can be called martyrs or honorable men remains to be seen.
if gopalan nair's conviction is not strong enough for him to bite the bullet, then perhaps he is not made of sterner stuff, and as such should refrain from commenting on the government, especially when he is NOT EVEN here.
so what's next for the opposition scene in singapore? more boh chee politicians? as we all know, to be an opposition politician here, you either be real ballsy, or be real smart, or both...
gopalan nair? he's neither ballsy nor smart!
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
at the end of the day, each of us will have our own breaking point.....i am sure i will break if i have a knife point at my heart, and my family members are held hostage...
we are now talking about political struggles... which in some cases are paid in blood. i am sure gopalan nair has very strong convictions over many issues. however, can he be counted amount those who can be called martyrs or honorable men remains to be seen.
if gopalan nair's conviction is not strong enough for him to bite the bullet, then perhaps he is not made of sterner stuff, and as such should refrain from commenting on the government, especially when he is NOT EVEN here.
so what's next for the opposition scene in singapore? more boh chee politicians? as we all know, to be an opposition politician here, you either be real ballsy, or be real smart, or both...
gopalan nair? he's neither ballsy nor smart!
actually I don't mind him commenting on the govt, it's good to have second opinions
however, his opinions seem to be more and more biased, with little substantiation and credibility. His post about lawyers in s'pore is totally off-tangent
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Originally posted by 00king00:
actually I don't mind him commenting on the govt, it's good to have second opinions
however, his opinions seem to be more and more biased, with little substantiation and credibility. His post about lawyers in s'pore is totally off-tangent
i agree with you.....commenting is easy... intelligent comment, now that is something else altogether...
comments are run the range of:
1. rude and bias comments with little in the way of alternative solutions.
2. pasting links for opposition websites.
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Singapore's state controlled newspaper Straits Times of Jan 4, 2009 reports "Law Won't tolerate attacks"
Readers of this blog who are unfamiliar with the goings on in Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore, may think reading the comments that there are many who think Singapore is a democracy based on the rule of law. The reader is warned that they may be Singapore government employees whose job is to discredit those who criticize Lee Kuan Yew's authoritarian rule. Please use your discretion as to how much weight you will give these comments.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The headline news of Singapore’s state controlled newspaper Straits Times June 4, 2008 reads "Law won’t tolerate attacks". In Burma too, I am sure the law won't tolerate any attacks. And neither would any attacks be tolerated in North Korea.
One thing is clear to me. That is, just as they do in Burma, Singapore finds itself in governance by one thing and one thing alone; that is fear. This front page article in Singapore's state controlled newspaper has one purpose and one purpose alone. To intimidate and frighten the pants off every Singaporean from criticizing the judges no matter what they do. They are free to abuse the law any which way they want, but no one should dare so much as raise a whimper.
And this clearly shows one thing. They are clutching at straws. They know the winds are changing. They know the people want more accountability from their courts. They know the disaffection among the people against the abuse of the law. And they are determined to do the one thing which they know, which is, punish any critic, any dissenter, who complains.
Such desperation may work in societies like Burma where impoverished peasants have no means to resist. The country declines into poverty but the military junta remain in power through illegal drug money. This is not something that will work in Singapore where the people are better able to fend for themselves, with education, skills and money. This desperate act on their part will turn counter productive. With open borders unlike Burma, the skilled are able to leave, which they are already doing now. The sooner they realize this, the better not only for them, but for the people of Singapore.
The Chief Justice and the Attorney General in the report based on their speech at the opening of the legal year had said "they would not brook any attacks on the courts here". And why not? Surely the Law Courts exist on Singapore taxpayer’s money, don't they? And if so, why should not a citizen have the right to "attack" a judge when there is misuse of the law? No one should be intimidated by this arrogance of these judges. Everyone has a right to criticize the judiciary or any other branch of the government. This is what free speech is all about. And I will do it as many times as I want.
The Chief Justice, Chan Sek Keong says that "the mission of the courts requires that its authority be respected by all". But how can anyone respect it if throughout its history under Lee Kuan Yew it has been nothing more than a tool to silence and punish those who oppose him. What about the numerous cases against the late JB Jeyaretnam where the courts systematically abused the law to bankrupt him and kick him out of Parliament and his law practice for merely engaging in legitimate criticisms? How does one respect such a judiciary? And what about Dr. Chee Soon Juan, hounded and bankrupted for doing what any citizen of any democratic country is entitled to do, that is to criticize? How is it possible to respect it? And how is it possible for me to respect it when they sent me to jail for 3 months, for doing just that; criticism? Can I put it this way? I respect the institution of the judiciary. But I have no iota of respect for the individuals who hold that office in Singapore. They are one corrupt lot, and they should be told exactly that.
He then goes on to say that the governance of the country and the rule of law require that no one should be allowed to scandalize the judiciary. My dear Chan Sek Keong, let us not play with words here. Lee Kuan Yew has abused the Constitution and whittled it down to such an extent that Singapore in effect has no Constitution at all. Let's face it, my dear Chan Sek Keong. And let me tell you what I am saying. The Singapore Constitution guarantees free speech. And therefore illegal laws which Lee Kuan Yew has in place which requires a permit to speak publicly is void and illegal. Any first year law student should be able to tell you that. No one has made any false or scandalous allegations here. All we are doing is to call a rat by its true name, which is a rat.
I should tell Chan Sek Keong this. What you are doing is to defend the indefensible. Plain and simply put, your laws relating to defamation of character, contempt of court and the laws that require permits for public speaking and public assembly are plain and simply wrong. And what you are doing is to continue in your abuse of the law by convicting people who are engaging in nothing more than their constitutional rights.
The report refers to Walter Woon the Attorney General speaking about the need to protect the legal system. My question to him is this. If the legal system has lost all integrity, what is left to protect?
He then goes on to say that there is a campaign both in Singapore and abroad to attack the integrity and independence of the judiciary. What made him think that? As far as one can see, foreign newspapers and myself have only reported on what we saw, which is that Singapore’s judges have become corrupt and are using the law to prop up the rule of Lee Kuan Yew. And punishing someone who says it, which is entirely true, cannot amount to anything illegal.
He then says that critics of the Singapore judiciary have been charged for undermining the judiciary for political and ideological reasons. I don't know where he got the idea, but in any case, there is nothing wrong in attacking the courts either for political or ideological reasons. Democracy is a political or ideological cause. And democracy demands that the judges are fair and just, not stooges of Lee Kuan Yew. Dictatorship is also a political or ideological cause and I am entitled to resist a judicial system which is determined to further such an ideology as in Singapore, a dictatorship.
Singapore's Attorney General refers to an instance where activists had gone to his office and refused to leave until their possessions which were illegally seized by the police were returned to them. What happened is this. Peaceful protestors had assembled before Singapore Parliament demanding that the government show some concern for the plight of ordinary Singaporeans who were in poverty. As they did not have any permits to assemble, since the police would not give it to them, the police arrested them for not having permits. In the process the police in their usual high handed manner seized the cell phones of several protestors. It is quite clear that seizure of their personal belongings was clearly illegal. Their cell phones had no evidentiary value in the alleged offence of assembling without a permit. So naturally they went to his office to demand the return of the items. I am sorry to hear that they left the premises. They should have refused to go until their personal possessions were returned. The Singapore Attorney General was clearly abusing the law and the people have to right to complain.
He then refers to the Kangaroo T shirt case where 3 activists, John Tan, Shafi and Izrizal were charged and convicted and sent to jail for wearing T shirts with the image of a kangaroo in judicial robes to the court case where Lee Kuan Yew, the Singapore strongman was suing Dr. Chee Soon Juan before the government stooge Judge Belinda Ang. There was nothing wrong in their actions, simply because their implying that Judge Ang was biased and corrupt was completely true, as anyone in court that day, like I was will confirm. In any case, this was a clear exercise of one's right to freedom of speech.
And then there was the reference to me. He says that I had sent various Emails to various people in Singapore stating that Judge Belinda Ang, the offending judge, in the case of Lee Kuan Yew against Dr. Chee Soon Juan had "prostituted herself" in those proceedings. A state owned and controlled newspaper like Pravda or the Singapore Straits Times is free to report anything they want, since they are only accountable to Lee Kuan Yew and no one else. Let me tell you that Singapore Attorney General is not being truthful when he said this. In fact, what is worse, it is probably he himself or his agent under his instruction that sent any Emails to anyone, if in fact they were sent.
Let me remind the reader of what happened. On the 29th of May 2008, after I had attended the shameful spectacle of a trial between Lee Kuan Yew and Dr. Chee Soon Juan where Judge Belinda Ang appeared no longer in her role as a judge but as an employee of Lee Kuan Yew and his son, permitting them to get away with whatever they wanted, I wrote a blog post in this blog saying among other things that "she prostituted her position as a judge" see Singapore. Judge Belinda Ang's Kangaroo Court. This is factually correct. On May 31, 2008, I was arrested by a party of police led by ASP Abdul Razak Zakaria from Central Police Station. At the time of arrest, he confiscated a note book from my hotel room in which there was my Email password for my Email [email protected]. He then charges me with sending Emails to various people including this judge. Since I did not send any Emails to anyone, it was very probably the Attorney General himself who had the conduct of my arrest who sent these Emails. I never sent any emails to anyone. I wrote the blog. If he is the one who actually sent these Emails himself, and now publicly claims that I did, he shows an ability to stoop lower than even perhaps Adolf Hitler could. Of course, he can say anything he wants and Singapore’s state controlled press will report any lie that he utters.
And then he correctly says that I had re-posted the articles from the US but does not say which they are. As to the blog post Singapore. Judge Belinda Ang's Kangaroo Court , for which I was charged, this was never deleted by me. So there was no question of re-posting as it was always up on my blog. There were 2 other blog posts which I had deleted which referred to my other case where I was falsely accused of disorderly behavior by the Attorney General, which I had deleted on orders of the judge. I had no intention of keeping my undertaking to judiciary which is devoid of all integrity and thus my re-posting them the moment I stepped foot on American soil.
At one point he refers to an attempt by activists to change the laws by extra judicial means. Well, Mr. Attorney General, you are both right and wrong. Yes, I am trying to change Singapore's laws, but wrong when you say it is by extra judicial means. Peaceful protest and criticism are lawful means to bring about change. It is a right enshrined in the Constitution. Nothing extra judicial about it at all.
He refers to a deliberate attempt to force change in the law. Yes you are right. Dr. Chee Soon Juan, the activists, I and anyone else who knows Singapore understands that as matters rest, it is impossible to remove the dictatorship and restore democracy in Singapore through the ballot box. Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Than Swe of Burma, Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore and you the Attorney General know that if you give your people their constitutional rights, you would no longer be in power. So Mugabe and Than Swe use brute force to bring their people to heel. You do the same thing, except that you do it by abusing the law.
You then use that very law you abuse and insist that the people should obey the law. What law, Mr. Attorney general? It is a law stood on its head. It is not a law that anyone should obey. It is not just a right but the duty of every Singaporean to break it and break it with pride.
Let me say finally to your Chief Justice, to you Attorney General and to the newly appointed Minister for Law, Shanmugam, that there are just laws and unjust laws. Just laws must be followed and unjust laws should be broken. And that is the duty of every man woman and child in that island.
And this blog is inspiring many in Singapore to do just that. I know of more than one young man who have said enough is enough and joined the growing number of Singaporean activists to stand up to this railroading over them. And it is my hope that many more will realize this hogwash being purveyed by Lee Kuan Yew and stand up to what is right.
Gopalan Nair -
Well, Singapore's jail is much better then our neighbouring countries though.
illegal immigrants and ciggies smuggler will rather be caught by sg police then indonesian police it seems.
Same with the chinese criminals in non death sentence crimes.
apparently, we are more lenient and straight forward and has better treatment for the convicts.
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And though I respect our 'old man', he really should die lah.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Singapore's state controlled newspaper Straits Times of Jan 4, 2009 reports "Law Won't tolerate attacks"
Readers of this blog who are unfamiliar with the goings on in Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore, may think reading the comments that there are many who think Singapore is a democracy based on the rule of law. The reader is warned that they may be Singapore government employees whose job is to discredit those who criticize Lee Kuan Yew's authoritarian rule. Please use your discretion as to how much weight you will give these comments.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The headline news of Singapore’s state controlled newspaper Straits Times June 4, 2008 reads "Law won’t tolerate attacks". In Burma too, I am sure the law won't tolerate any attacks. And neither would any attacks be tolerated in North Korea.
One thing is clear to me. That is, just as they do in Burma, Singapore finds itself in governance by one thing and one thing alone; that is fear. This front page article in Singapore's state controlled newspaper has one purpose and one purpose alone. To intimidate and frighten the pants off every Singaporean from criticizing the judges no matter what they do. They are free to abuse the law any which way they want, but no one should dare so much as raise a whimper.
And this clearly shows one thing. They are clutching at straws. They know the winds are changing. They know the people want more accountability from their courts. They know the disaffection among the people against the abuse of the law. And they are determined to do the one thing which they know, which is, punish any critic, any dissenter, who complains.
Such desperation may work in societies like Burma where impoverished peasants have no means to resist. The country declines into poverty but the military junta remain in power through illegal drug money. This is not something that will work in Singapore where the people are better able to fend for themselves, with education, skills and money. This desperate act on their part will turn counter productive. With open borders unlike Burma, the skilled are able to leave, which they are already doing now. The sooner they realize this, the better not only for them, but for the people of Singapore.
The Chief Justice and the Attorney General in the report based on their speech at the opening of the legal year had said "they would not brook any attacks on the courts here". And why not? Surely the Law Courts exist on Singapore taxpayer’s money, don't they? And if so, why should not a citizen have the right to "attack" a judge when there is misuse of the law? No one should be intimidated by this arrogance of these judges. Everyone has a right to criticize the judiciary or any other branch of the government. This is what free speech is all about. And I will do it as many times as I want.
The Chief Justice, Chan Sek Keong says that "the mission of the courts requires that its authority be respected by all". But how can anyone respect it if throughout its history under Lee Kuan Yew it has been nothing more than a tool to silence and punish those who oppose him. What about the numerous cases against the late JB Jeyaretnam where the courts systematically abused the law to bankrupt him and kick him out of Parliament and his law practice for merely engaging in legitimate criticisms? How does one respect such a judiciary? And what about Dr. Chee Soon Juan, hounded and bankrupted for doing what any citizen of any democratic country is entitled to do, that is to criticize? How is it possible to respect it? And how is it possible for me to respect it when they sent me to jail for 3 months, for doing just that; criticism? Can I put it this way? I respect the institution of the judiciary. But I have no iota of respect for the individuals who hold that office in Singapore. They are one corrupt lot, and they should be told exactly that.
He then goes on to say that the governance of the country and the rule of law require that no one should be allowed to scandalize the judiciary. My dear Chan Sek Keong, let us not play with words here. Lee Kuan Yew has abused the Constitution and whittled it down to such an extent that Singapore in effect has no Constitution at all. Let's face it, my dear Chan Sek Keong. And let me tell you what I am saying. The Singapore Constitution guarantees free speech. And therefore illegal laws which Lee Kuan Yew has in place which requires a permit to speak publicly is void and illegal. Any first year law student should be able to tell you that. No one has made any false or scandalous allegations here. All we are doing is to call a rat by its true name, which is a rat.
I should tell Chan Sek Keong this. What you are doing is to defend the indefensible. Plain and simply put, your laws relating to defamation of character, contempt of court and the laws that require permits for public speaking and public assembly are plain and simply wrong. And what you are doing is to continue in your abuse of the law by convicting people who are engaging in nothing more than their constitutional rights.
The report refers to Walter Woon the Attorney General speaking about the need to protect the legal system. My question to him is this. If the legal system has lost all integrity, what is left to protect?
He then goes on to say that there is a campaign both in Singapore and abroad to attack the integrity and independence of the judiciary. What made him think that? As far as one can see, foreign newspapers and myself have only reported on what we saw, which is that Singapore’s judges have become corrupt and are using the law to prop up the rule of Lee Kuan Yew. And punishing someone who says it, which is entirely true, cannot amount to anything illegal.
He then says that critics of the Singapore judiciary have been charged for undermining the judiciary for political and ideological reasons. I don't know where he got the idea, but in any case, there is nothing wrong in attacking the courts either for political or ideological reasons. Democracy is a political or ideological cause. And democracy demands that the judges are fair and just, not stooges of Lee Kuan Yew. Dictatorship is also a political or ideological cause and I am entitled to resist a judicial system which is determined to further such an ideology as in Singapore, a dictatorship.
Singapore's Attorney General refers to an instance where activists had gone to his office and refused to leave until their possessions which were illegally seized by the police were returned to them. What happened is this. Peaceful protestors had assembled before Singapore Parliament demanding that the government show some concern for the plight of ordinary Singaporeans who were in poverty. As they did not have any permits to assemble, since the police would not give it to them, the police arrested them for not having permits. In the process the police in their usual high handed manner seized the cell phones of several protestors. It is quite clear that seizure of their personal belongings was clearly illegal. Their cell phones had no evidentiary value in the alleged offence of assembling without a permit. So naturally they went to his office to demand the return of the items. I am sorry to hear that they left the premises. They should have refused to go until their personal possessions were returned. The Singapore Attorney General was clearly abusing the law and the people have to right to complain.
He then refers to the Kangaroo T shirt case where 3 activists, John Tan, Shafi and Izrizal were charged and convicted and sent to jail for wearing T shirts with the image of a kangaroo in judicial robes to the court case where Lee Kuan Yew, the Singapore strongman was suing Dr. Chee Soon Juan before the government stooge Judge Belinda Ang. There was nothing wrong in their actions, simply because their implying that Judge Ang was biased and corrupt was completely true, as anyone in court that day, like I was will confirm. In any case, this was a clear exercise of one's right to freedom of speech.
And then there was the reference to me. He says that I had sent various Emails to various people in Singapore stating that Judge Belinda Ang, the offending judge, in the case of Lee Kuan Yew against Dr. Chee Soon Juan had "prostituted herself" in those proceedings. A state owned and controlled newspaper like Pravda or the Singapore Straits Times is free to report anything they want, since they are only accountable to Lee Kuan Yew and no one else. Let me tell you that Singapore Attorney General is not being truthful when he said this. In fact, what is worse, it is probably he himself or his agent under his instruction that sent any Emails to anyone, if in fact they were sent.
Let me remind the reader of what happened. On the 29th of May 2008, after I had attended the shameful spectacle of a trial between Lee Kuan Yew and Dr. Chee Soon Juan where Judge Belinda Ang appeared no longer in her role as a judge but as an employee of Lee Kuan Yew and his son, permitting them to get away with whatever they wanted, I wrote a blog post in this blog saying among other things that "she prostituted her position as a judge" see Singapore. Judge Belinda Ang's Kangaroo Court. This is factually correct. On May 31, 2008, I was arrested by a party of police led by ASP Abdul Razak Zakaria from Central Police Station. At the time of arrest, he confiscated a note book from my hotel room in which there was my Email password for my Email [email protected]. He then charges me with sending Emails to various people including this judge. Since I did not send any Emails to anyone, it was very probably the Attorney General himself who had the conduct of my arrest who sent these Emails. I never sent any emails to anyone. I wrote the blog. If he is the one who actually sent these Emails himself, and now publicly claims that I did, he shows an ability to stoop lower than even perhaps Adolf Hitler could. Of course, he can say anything he wants and Singapore’s state controlled press will report any lie that he utters.
And then he correctly says that I had re-posted the articles from the US but does not say which they are. As to the blog post Singapore. Judge Belinda Ang's Kangaroo Court , for which I was charged, this was never deleted by me. So there was no question of re-posting as it was always up on my blog. There were 2 other blog posts which I had deleted which referred to my other case where I was falsely accused of disorderly behavior by the Attorney General, which I had deleted on orders of the judge. I had no intention of keeping my undertaking to judiciary which is devoid of all integrity and thus my re-posting them the moment I stepped foot on American soil.
At one point he refers to an attempt by activists to change the laws by extra judicial means. Well, Mr. Attorney General, you are both right and wrong. Yes, I am trying to change Singapore's laws, but wrong when you say it is by extra judicial means. Peaceful protest and criticism are lawful means to bring about change. It is a right enshrined in the Constitution. Nothing extra judicial about it at all.
He refers to a deliberate attempt to force change in the law. Yes you are right. Dr. Chee Soon Juan, the activists, I and anyone else who knows Singapore understands that as matters rest, it is impossible to remove the dictatorship and restore democracy in Singapore through the ballot box. Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Than Swe of Burma, Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore and you the Attorney General know that if you give your people their constitutional rights, you would no longer be in power. So Mugabe and Than Swe use brute force to bring their people to heel. You do the same thing, except that you do it by abusing the law.
You then use that very law you abuse and insist that the people should obey the law. What law, Mr. Attorney general? It is a law stood on its head. It is not a law that anyone should obey. It is not just a right but the duty of every Singaporean to break it and break it with pride.
Let me say finally to your Chief Justice, to you Attorney General and to the newly appointed Minister for Law, Shanmugam, that there are just laws and unjust laws. Just laws must be followed and unjust laws should be broken. And that is the duty of every man woman and child in that island.
And this blog is inspiring many in Singapore to do just that. I know of more than one young man who have said enough is enough and joined the growing number of Singaporean activists to stand up to this railroading over them. And it is my hope that many more will realize this hogwash being purveyed by Lee Kuan Yew and stand up to what is right.
Gopalan Nairas usual, another baseless attack without any substance
law is about reasoning. Every case, every judgement has its own line of reasoning, analysis and predecedents. Can you quote the flawed portions of the judgement instead of drowning your readers in such partial and unconstructive comments?
"she prostituted her position as a judge" >> this is an utterly disrespectful and rude comment. Having to resort to such personal attacks only shows how uncouth and boorish you are.
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"Just laws must be followed and unjust laws should be broken. And that is the duty of every man woman and child in that island."
This only shows how naive and simple minded you are. Everyone has a different perception of justice. If we were to base the legal system on the whim and fancies of every single individual, breaking the law as they like, in short, the result = anarchy.
I wince whenever I see such sweeping statements, moreover coming from a supposed lawyer.
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Law is created to protect certain system or someone...But don't forget, Law is created by human, and it can selfish or selfless creation. So when a powerful ruler created a unreasonable law in the country, can anyone stop it?
If that powerful ruler who still in full power and control over the country commit a crime, can anyone bring him down and execute the law to sentense him? Who will or can bring him to justice? Don't forget most key appointment holder including the judge is his own and trusted comrade.
Just my thoughts....;)
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Well, Singapore's jail is much better then our neighbouring countries though.
illegal immigrants and ciggies smuggler will rather be caught by sg police then indonesian police it seems.
Same with the chinese criminals in non death sentence crimes.
apparently, we are more lenient and straight forward and has better treatment for the convicts.
lol our "prisioners" can actually complain. one of my friends who served at the lock up during ns was stunned by that. you can actually complain about the food there if you think it sucks.
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The Lee Kuan Yew familily is no gentelmen.
They are probably the lowliest people on the street of Singapore.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
neutral.....
how about angel7030 being investigated if she is really a chiobu?
that is a defamation, i am warning you, i am confirmed.com.sg chiobu. -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Singapore's state controlled newspaper Straits Times of Jan 4, 2009 reports "Law Won't tolerate attacks"
Readers of this blog who are unfamiliar with the goings on in Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore, may think reading the comments that there are many who think Singapore is a democracy based on the rule of law. The reader is warned that they may be Singapore government employees whose job is to discredit those who criticize Lee Kuan Yew's authoritarian rule. Please use your discretion as to how much weight you will give these comments.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The headline news of Singapore’s state controlled newspaper Straits Times June 4, 2008 reads "Law won’t tolerate attacks". In Burma too, I am sure the law won't tolerate any attacks. And neither would any attacks be tolerated in North Korea.
One thing is clear to me. That is, just as they do in Burma, Singapore finds itself in governance by one thing and one thing alone; that is fear. This front page article in Singapore's state controlled newspaper has one purpose and one purpose alone. To intimidate and frighten the pants off every Singaporean from criticizing the judges no matter what they do. They are free to abuse the law any which way they want, but no one should dare so much as raise a whimper.
And this clearly shows one thing. They are clutching at straws. They know the winds are changing. They know the people want more accountability from their courts. They know the disaffection among the people against the abuse of the law. And they are determined to do the one thing which they know, which is, punish any critic, any dissenter, who complains.
Such desperation may work in societies like Burma where impoverished peasants have no means to resist. The country declines into poverty but the military junta remain in power through illegal drug money. This is not something that will work in Singapore where the people are better able to fend for themselves, with education, skills and money. This desperate act on their part will turn counter productive. With open borders unlike Burma, the skilled are able to leave, which they are already doing now. The sooner they realize this, the better not only for them, but for the people of Singapore.
The Chief Justice and the Attorney General in the report based on their speech at the opening of the legal year had said "they would not brook any attacks on the courts here". And why not? Surely the Law Courts exist on Singapore taxpayer’s money, don't they? And if so, why should not a citizen have the right to "attack" a judge when there is misuse of the law? No one should be intimidated by this arrogance of these judges. Everyone has a right to criticize the judiciary or any other branch of the government. This is what free speech is all about. And I will do it as many times as I want.
The Chief Justice, Chan Sek Keong says that "the mission of the courts requires that its authority be respected by all". But how can anyone respect it if throughout its history under Lee Kuan Yew it has been nothing more than a tool to silence and punish those who oppose him. What about the numerous cases against the late JB Jeyaretnam where the courts systematically abused the law to bankrupt him and kick him out of Parliament and his law practice for merely engaging in legitimate criticisms? How does one respect such a judiciary? And what about Dr. Chee Soon Juan, hounded and bankrupted for doing what any citizen of any democratic country is entitled to do, that is to criticize? How is it possible to respect it? And how is it possible for me to respect it when they sent me to jail for 3 months, for doing just that; criticism? Can I put it this way? I respect the institution of the judiciary. But I have no iota of respect for the individuals who hold that office in Singapore. They are one corrupt lot, and they should be told exactly that.
He then goes on to say that the governance of the country and the rule of law require that no one should be allowed to scandalize the judiciary. My dear Chan Sek Keong, let us not play with words here. Lee Kuan Yew has abused the Constitution and whittled it down to such an extent that Singapore in effect has no Constitution at all. Let's face it, my dear Chan Sek Keong. And let me tell you what I am saying. The Singapore Constitution guarantees free speech. And therefore illegal laws which Lee Kuan Yew has in place which requires a permit to speak publicly is void and illegal. Any first year law student should be able to tell you that. No one has made any false or scandalous allegations here. All we are doing is to call a rat by its true name, which is a rat.
I should tell Chan Sek Keong this. What you are doing is to defend the indefensible. Plain and simply put, your laws relating to defamation of character, contempt of court and the laws that require permits for public speaking and public assembly are plain and simply wrong. And what you are doing is to continue in your abuse of the law by convicting people who are engaging in nothing more than their constitutional rights.
The report refers to Walter Woon the Attorney General speaking about the need to protect the legal system. My question to him is this. If the legal system has lost all integrity, what is left to protect?
He then goes on to say that there is a campaign both in Singapore and abroad to attack the integrity and independence of the judiciary. What made him think that? As far as one can see, foreign newspapers and myself have only reported on what we saw, which is that Singapore’s judges have become corrupt and are using the law to prop up the rule of Lee Kuan Yew. And punishing someone who says it, which is entirely true, cannot amount to anything illegal.
He then says that critics of the Singapore judiciary have been charged for undermining the judiciary for political and ideological reasons. I don't know where he got the idea, but in any case, there is nothing wrong in attacking the courts either for political or ideological reasons. Democracy is a political or ideological cause. And democracy demands that the judges are fair and just, not stooges of Lee Kuan Yew. Dictatorship is also a political or ideological cause and I am entitled to resist a judicial system which is determined to further such an ideology as in Singapore, a dictatorship.
Singapore's Attorney General refers to an instance where activists had gone to his office and refused to leave until their possessions which were illegally seized by the police were returned to them. What happened is this. Peaceful protestors had assembled before Singapore Parliament demanding that the government show some concern for the plight of ordinary Singaporeans who were in poverty. As they did not have any permits to assemble, since the police would not give it to them, the police arrested them for not having permits. In the process the police in their usual high handed manner seized the cell phones of several protestors. It is quite clear that seizure of their personal belongings was clearly illegal. Their cell phones had no evidentiary value in the alleged offence of assembling without a permit. So naturally they went to his office to demand the return of the items. I am sorry to hear that they left the premises. They should have refused to go until their personal possessions were returned. The Singapore Attorney General was clearly abusing the law and the people have to right to complain.
He then refers to the Kangaroo T shirt case where 3 activists, John Tan, Shafi and Izrizal were charged and convicted and sent to jail for wearing T shirts with the image of a kangaroo in judicial robes to the court case where Lee Kuan Yew, the Singapore strongman was suing Dr. Chee Soon Juan before the government stooge Judge Belinda Ang. There was nothing wrong in their actions, simply because their implying that Judge Ang was biased and corrupt was completely true, as anyone in court that day, like I was will confirm. In any case, this was a clear exercise of one's right to freedom of speech.
And then there was the reference to me. He says that I had sent various Emails to various people in Singapore stating that Judge Belinda Ang, the offending judge, in the case of Lee Kuan Yew against Dr. Chee Soon Juan had "prostituted herself" in those proceedings. A state owned and controlled newspaper like Pravda or the Singapore Straits Times is free to report anything they want, since they are only accountable to Lee Kuan Yew and no one else. Let me tell you that Singapore Attorney General is not being truthful when he said this. In fact, what is worse, it is probably he himself or his agent under his instruction that sent any Emails to anyone, if in fact they were sent.
Let me remind the reader of what happened. On the 29th of May 2008, after I had attended the shameful spectacle of a trial between Lee Kuan Yew and Dr. Chee Soon Juan where Judge Belinda Ang appeared no longer in her role as a judge but as an employee of Lee Kuan Yew and his son, permitting them to get away with whatever they wanted, I wrote a blog post in this blog saying among other things that "she prostituted her position as a judge" see Singapore. Judge Belinda Ang's Kangaroo Court. This is factually correct. On May 31, 2008, I was arrested by a party of police led by ASP Abdul Razak Zakaria from Central Police Station. At the time of arrest, he confiscated a note book from my hotel room in which there was my Email password for my Email [email protected]. He then charges me with sending Emails to various people including this judge. Since I did not send any Emails to anyone, it was very probably the Attorney General himself who had the conduct of my arrest who sent these Emails. I never sent any emails to anyone. I wrote the blog. If he is the one who actually sent these Emails himself, and now publicly claims that I did, he shows an ability to stoop lower than even perhaps Adolf Hitler could. Of course, he can say anything he wants and Singapore’s state controlled press will report any lie that he utters.
And then he correctly says that I had re-posted the articles from the US but does not say which they are. As to the blog post Singapore. Judge Belinda Ang's Kangaroo Court , for which I was charged, this was never deleted by me. So there was no question of re-posting as it was always up on my blog. There were 2 other blog posts which I had deleted which referred to my other case where I was falsely accused of disorderly behavior by the Attorney General, which I had deleted on orders of the judge. I had no intention of keeping my undertaking to judiciary which is devoid of all integrity and thus my re-posting them the moment I stepped foot on American soil.
At one point he refers to an attempt by activists to change the laws by extra judicial means. Well, Mr. Attorney General, you are both right and wrong. Yes, I am trying to change Singapore's laws, but wrong when you say it is by extra judicial means. Peaceful protest and criticism are lawful means to bring about change. It is a right enshrined in the Constitution. Nothing extra judicial about it at all.
He refers to a deliberate attempt to force change in the law. Yes you are right. Dr. Chee Soon Juan, the activists, I and anyone else who knows Singapore understands that as matters rest, it is impossible to remove the dictatorship and restore democracy in Singapore through the ballot box. Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Than Swe of Burma, Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore and you the Attorney General know that if you give your people their constitutional rights, you would no longer be in power. So Mugabe and Than Swe use brute force to bring their people to heel. You do the same thing, except that you do it by abusing the law.
You then use that very law you abuse and insist that the people should obey the law. What law, Mr. Attorney general? It is a law stood on its head. It is not a law that anyone should obey. It is not just a right but the duty of every Singaporean to break it and break it with pride.
Let me say finally to your Chief Justice, to you Attorney General and to the newly appointed Minister for Law, Shanmugam, that there are just laws and unjust laws. Just laws must be followed and unjust laws should be broken. And that is the duty of every man woman and child in that island.
And this blog is inspiring many in Singapore to do just that. I know of more than one young man who have said enough is enough and joined the growing number of Singaporean activists to stand up to this railroading over them. And it is my hope that many more will realize this hogwash being purveyed by Lee Kuan Yew and stand up to what is right.
Gopalan Nair
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Originally posted by 00king00:
as usual, another baseless attack without any substance
law is about reasoning. Every case, every judgement has its own line of reasoning, analysis and predecedents. Can you quote the flawed portions of the judgement instead of drowning your readers in such partial and unconstructive comments?
"she prostituted her position as a judge" >> this is an utterly disrespectful and rude comment. Having to resort to such personal attacks only shows how uncouth and boorish you are.
Please Pardon uncle Poh, afterall he is pro PAP, his name and initial already tell you a thousand stories..Poh A Pak, a double agents -
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The first thing to do in a battle, is to soften the ground, before the attack. Artillery fire, rockets and mortar. And when the enemy is weakened, you launch the attack. This is no different in politics, and this is exactly what Dr. Chee Soon Juan is doing now.
In a sustained concerted and concentrated effort, he demolishes Lee Kuan Yew by exposing his repression, his dirty tricks, his abuse of the law through his blog, through his actions in court and through the punishment he takes at the hands of his oppressor. And slowly and surely, day after day, more and more Singaporeans become aware of the lack of justice and fairness in their country.And progressively Lee Kuan Yew loses all moral authority to rule. People become aware that Singapore is a morally bankrupt country, a country where the laws are abused at will to destroy critics, where the government is corrupt paying themselves millions while the poor teeter on the poverty line, and where human rights are literally non existent.
And as time progresses, as more and more people begin to hate Lee Kuan Yew and his millionaire ministers, the country becomes ripe for change. There is a simmering of discontent under the surface only to erupt when the time is right.
And the right time is when Lee Kuan Yew dies. He is presently 85 and is kept alive with a battery powered pacemaker next to his heart.It was reported that he is suffering from irregular heartbeat. I saw him in Judge Belinda Ang's court in Singapore from May 26, 2008 to May 28, 2008 which resulted in my unexpected arrest and imprisonment for criticizing her conduct. He appeared very weak, with some difficulty walked from the courtroom door to the witness box, with some effort sat down. He did not appear very sound in health.
With his death, something has to give, there is no doubt about it. I think he knows it too. His greatest mistake is to have chosen the sort of ministers presently with him.His son, he appoints prime minister, an obedient child who obeyed his father, passed all his exams and selected first as the highest ranking officer in the army and immediately thereafter, Prime Minister. He has not been leader of anything, not accomplished anything and no one knows anything about him except that he is the Prime Ministers son.
Law Minister Shanmugam was not too long ago, a lawyer in Allen and Gledhill, after which we were told that he is now Minister for Law. No one had any say in it and no one cares. Had he been selling Indian pancakes in a dhoti in Serangoon Road, no one would have cared either. I suppose he loves no one, and no one loves him either.
All of Lee Kuan Yew's ministers are handpicked men whose principle qualification is to do exactly what he tells them. We have no idea as to their principles, convictions and philosophy. Very probably they have none of those. They are there for only one reason, because the pay is good, and because there is Lee Kuan Yew, the 85 year old octogenarian to protect them.
But everything will change when Lee Kuan Yew dies. Lee knows this too. And that is why his many references to the secrets of longevity, clearly shows that he fears what will happen when he dies. So his desperate efforts to keep living one extra day at a time. But this fear of death, will itself cause him to die sooner than later. The obsession to stay alive will itself turn into a killer. So I expect him to be saying goodbye very soon.
And that is why I say they should be packing. Judge Belinda Ang, if she knew what was best for her, should pack her suitcases and leave. If she does not, the people might want to know why she deliberately abuses the law to punish Lee's critics.And knowing what she has done, it will be difficult to come up with an answer satisfactory to the people. Not knowing whether Lee Kuan Yew will live one week or one year, his days are numbered and the time of reckoning is also numbered for Judge Belinda Ang.
Judge Judith Prakash, Judge Kan Ting Chiu, DSP Mohamed Hassan, ASP Abdul Razak Zakaria, Judge VK Rajah, Kalaselvi d/o Rengasamy of the Bankruptcy office and the list goes on.If I were them, I would ask myself one question. Is it safe? Is it safe to continue misusing the law to please Lee Kuan Yew, when he is just about to die. Will the people hold men and women who oppress their fellow citizens to account when the time comes? These men and women who please Lee Kuan Yew for money should, if they were smart, start thinking about their actions, and whether it is safe to go on as they have done so far.
And in the meantime, as Lee Kuan Yew takes one more step to his grave, Dr. CheeKuan Yew is nothing but one corrupt dictator, who is propped up by minions such as Judge Belinda Ang, who do it for money. Soon Juan and the other brave activists continue to spread the message throughout the island that Lee
I expect, with his death, there to be protests. The people's anger kept bottled up will erupt. The protests may be small in the beginning. But with the expected irrational actions of this government, we expect the minions of the dead Lee Kuan Yew to arrest them. This will result in even larger protests which will attract even harsher retaliation from this government.This in turn will cause even more people to hate them, and with mass protests, massive outflow of people, capital and investment, the present staus quo will change forever. And we never know, with Lee Kuan Yew's son in the decision making chair, he may, like his father suggested, even shoot at unarmed Singaporeans.
All this is very likely to happen in Singapore where everything depends on one man, Lee Kuan Yew. It is pity he did not think of this before.
Ahmad Ben Bella's famous words to the French troops in Algeria nearing the end of the civil war was "Choose. The suitcase or the coffin". Judge Belinda Ang is lucky that Singaporeans are a gentle people. Perhaps they would not insist that she get into a coffin. But I don't think they will let her go scot free either.
Gopalan Nair -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The first thing to do in a battle, is to soften the ground, before the attack. Artillery fire, rockets and mortar. And when the enemy is weakened, you launch the attack. This is no different in politics, and this is exactly what Dr. Chee Soon Juan is doing now.
In a sustained concerted and concentrated effort, he demolishes Lee Kuan Yew by exposing his repression, his dirty tricks, his abuse of the law through his blog, through his actions in court and through the punishment he takes at the hands of his oppressor. And slowly and surely, day after day, more and more Singaporeans become aware of the lack of justice and fairness in their country.And progressively Lee Kuan Yew loses all moral authority to rule. People become aware that Singapore is a morally bankrupt country, a country where the laws are abused at will to destroy critics, where the government is corrupt paying themselves millions while the poor teeter on the poverty line, and where human rights are literally non existent.
And as time progresses, as more and more people begin to hate Lee Kuan Yew and his millionaire ministers, the country becomes ripe for change. There is a simmering of discontent under the surface only to erupt when the time is right.
And the right time is when Lee Kuan Yew dies. He is presently 85 and is kept alive with a battery powered pacemaker next to his heart.It was reported that he is suffering from irregular heartbeat. I saw him in Judge Belinda Ang's court in Singapore from May 26, 2008 to May 28, 2008 which resulted in my unexpected arrest and imprisonment for criticizing her conduct. He appeared very weak, with some difficulty walked from the courtroom door to the witness box, with some effort sat down. He did not appear very sound in health.
With his death, something has to give, there is no doubt about it. I think he knows it too. His greatest mistake is to have chosen the sort of ministers presently with him.His son, he appoints prime minister, an obedient child who obeyed his father, passed all his exams and selected first as the highest ranking officer in the army and immediately thereafter, Prime Minister. He has not been leader of anything, not accomplished anything and no one knows anything about him except that he is the Prime Ministers son.
Law Minister Shanmugam was not too long ago, a lawyer in Allen and Gledhill, after which we were told that he is now Minister for Law. No one had any say in it and no one cares. Had he been selling Indian pancakes in a dhoti in Serangoon Road, no one would have cared either. I suppose he loves no one, and no one loves him either.
All of Lee Kuan Yew's ministers are handpicked men whose principle qualification is to do exactly what he tells them. We have no idea as to their principles, convictions and philosophy. Very probably they have none of those. They are there for only one reason, because the pay is good, and because there is Lee Kuan Yew, the 85 year old octogenarian to protect them.
But everything will change when Lee Kuan Yew dies. Lee knows this too. And that is why his many references to the secrets of longevity, clearly shows that he fears what will happen when he dies. So his desperate efforts to keep living one extra day at a time. But this fear of death, will itself cause him to die sooner than later. The obsession to stay alive will itself turn into a killer. So I expect him to be saying goodbye very soon.
And that is why I say they should be packing. Judge Belinda Ang, if she knew what was best for her, should pack her suitcases and leave. If she does not, the people might want to know why she deliberately abuses the law to punish Lee's critics.And knowing what she has done, it will be difficult to come up with an answer satisfactory to the people. Not knowing whether Lee Kuan Yew will live one week or one year, his days are numbered and the time of reckoning is also numbered for Judge Belinda Ang.
Judge Judith Prakash, Judge Kan Ting Chiu, DSP Mohamed Hassan, ASP Abdul Razak Zakaria, Judge VK Rajah, Kalaselvi d/o Rengasamy of the Bankruptcy office and the list goes on.If I were them, I would ask myself one question. Is it safe? Is it safe to continue misusing the law to please Lee Kuan Yew, when he is just about to die. Will the people hold men and women who oppress their fellow citizens to account when the time comes? These men and women who please Lee Kuan Yew for money should, if they were smart, start thinking about their actions, and whether it is safe to go on as they have done so far.
And in the meantime, as Lee Kuan Yew takes one more step to his grave, Dr. CheeKuan Yew is nothing but one corrupt dictator, who is propped up by minions such as Judge Belinda Ang, who do it for money. Soon Juan and the other brave activists continue to spread the message throughout the island that Lee
I expect, with his death, there to be protests. The people's anger kept bottled up will erupt. The protests may be small in the beginning. But with the expected irrational actions of this government, we expect the minions of the dead Lee Kuan Yew to arrest them. This will result in even larger protests which will attract even harsher retaliation from this government.This in turn will cause even more people to hate them, and with mass protests, massive outflow of people, capital and investment, the present staus quo will change forever. And we never know, with Lee Kuan Yew's son in the decision making chair, he may, like his father suggested, even shoot at unarmed Singaporeans.
All this is very likely to happen in Singapore where everything depends on one man, Lee Kuan Yew. It is pity he did not think of this before.
Ahmad Ben Bella's famous words to the French troops in Algeria nearing the end of the civil war was "Choose. The suitcase or the coffin". Judge Belinda Ang is lucky that Singaporeans are a gentle people. Perhaps they would not insist that she get into a coffin. But I don't think they will let her go scot free either.
Gopalan Nairhey Poh, can you stop copy and pasting? let me hear your own opinion for once
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Originally posted by 00king00:
hey Poh, can you stop copy and pasting? let me hear your own opinion for once
My uncle Poh already learned how to copy and paste, now he is taking lesson 2, cut and paste, so please bear with him ya. thks
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Frankly, with so many foreign talents now in sg or now overseas after they got their sg pr thingy.
let them fight the war. we all so busy trying to find 'rice' nowadays, dont think it helps to find 'rice' with politics.
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Frankly, with so many foreign talents now in sg or now overseas after they got their sg pr thingy.
let them fight the war. we all so busy trying to find 'rice' nowadays, dont think it helps to find 'rice' with politics.
Oh U still alive and strong...another arrogant forumer trying to act as prosecutor/police here. Goplan...U can write about yr days in S'pore prison and make it a best seller in U.S. -
Originally posted by 787180:
Oh U still alive and strong...another arrogant forumer trying to act as prosecutor/police here. Goplan...U can write about yr days in S'pore prison and make it a best seller in U.S.
One does not need to act when one is one.Eh...so you are still around too.
Btw, which was you?
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Are'nt U the one suffering from cervical cancer and threathen to sue me when I posted my neighbour's story about Adrian marrying a tyrant wife and mum-inlaw and abuses of Women Charter
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Originally posted by 787180:
Are’nt U the one suffering from cervical cancer and threathen to sue me when I posted my neighbour’s story about Adrian marrying a tyrant wife and mum-inlaw and abuses of Women Charter
Well yes. So you are the 40 year old man of some Adrain Lim who listened to complaints about his ex wife to you and then decide that you want to cause trouble to that ex wife who would by chance be your ex neighbour?And it was understood that you suffered no damage, but is keen to have the adrain's ex wife damged in reputation and whatever you think its important to her.
And suing you? Me? nah....I merely offered to supplied $$$ to the ex wife to sue you and adrian for being such ignorant about how your ex neighbour is truly is.
Might be interesting to do before I die wouldnt it.
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if you liked, we can also have your wife and daughter sit in to 'support' you like what Durai's daughter did for her father in the event that you need to show up in court.