i dont believe the communist run china will ever have a genuine political reform. economically reform china is doing a good job at least for now trying various means to stimulate its own economy.
you have too much misconceptlisation about china.
wrong spelling leh. by the way, which part is not correct? please correct instead of just passing a casual comment.
Originally posted by reyes:i dont believe the communist run china will ever have a genuine political reform. economically reform china is doing a good job at least for now trying various means to stimulate its own economy.
china will carry out political reform, but maybe not so substantial, like increase the transparency, efficiency, if china's governent learn from singapore, being very active and regulative and so on and so forth, or learn from western country ,china already dissolved , you must bear in mind, china is a large country, south north tension, xinjiang province tension. tibet tension,
So china have it's unique way,
Originally posted by reyes:i dont believe the communist run china will ever have a genuine political reform. economically reform china is doing a good job at least for now trying various means to stimulate its own economy.
Don't think has anything to do with if China is run as communist. Afterall, I don't consider China a true communist state now, since everyone should be earning the same if in communist state, right?
The problem with the tainted milk incidence is more out of greed and corruption, which is because China is simply too big to gov.
Originally posted by 333225520:Don't think has anything to do with if China is run as communist. Afterall, I don't consider China a true communist state now, since everyone should be earning the same if in communist state, right?
The problem with the tainted milk incidence is more out of greed and corruption, which is because China is simply too big to gov.
glad to hear you say that
Originally posted by rokkie:
actually political reform need to be conducted more conservatively, because any big change will greatly affect china's stability ,and for china stability is above all,
There's no one perfect political system.....and if the current regime has managed to engineer quite an astounding improvement in its poverty levels, well, why not?
Admittedly, political freedom or even individual freedom is more or less, less than desired. But champions of that can be considered as hypocrites looking at how they act.
There are many that believe political and economic reforms go hand in hand, but China is a good empirical example that it is not so. And Russia provides an even more stark contrast that supports this further.
Originally posted by reyes:i dont believe the communist run china will ever have a genuine political reform. economically reform china is doing a good job at least for now trying various means to stimulate its own economy.
What do you define as genuine political reforms?
I'd just like to know, because i've seen this phrase being thrown around like it means something but i'm not getting it.
Don't think has anything to do with if China is run as communist. Afterall, I don't consider China a true communist state now, since everyone should be earning the same if in communist state, right?
The problem with the tainted milk incidence is more out of greed and corruption, which is because China is simply too big to gov.
i had know some gong An in zhejiang province thru a business friend. thru drinking session, i can sense corruption in most part of their local province govt. it is corrupted because the local province govt do not feel a sense of responsible for their action to the ppl they govern. their appt and promotion thru the system is depends who know u in the beijing central govt.
it has not much to do with the size by the structure of the system.
What do you define as genuine political reforms?
I'd just like to know, because i've seen this phrase being thrown around like it means something but i'm not getting it.
i am not sure whether you are asking me about what is the truth political reform in china or in general. in my own opinion it affect few front such as democracy, standard of transparency,accountability, further enhance the completeness of legislation body or in summary political structure.
i respect china is communist countrythere is limited changes they can build on current platform thus all kind of changes they are ringing to trying to sell is very superficial
china will carry out political reform, but maybe not so substantial, like increase the transparency, efficiency, if china's governent learn from singapore, being very active and regulative and so on and so forth, or learn from western country ,china already dissolved , you must bear in mind, china is a large country, south north tension, xinjiang province tension. tibet tension,
So china have it's unique way,
whether china carry political reform or not, is not my pt, as i said earlier there is limited political reform the communist party leaders can build on the communist platform.thus i dare not have much high hope.
u mention about xinjiang, tibet etc is to do with soverignity of china it has nothing in my opinion to do with its own political reform.
i support china stance on xinjiang, tibet, yunan, inner mogolia as autonomy state and never allow a breakaway from china.
whether limited political reform or not, as long as it do good to public, it's ok, democracy maybe could not be achieved in a short run,
but as far as china is concerned, democracy is not priority, like in the west, almost all the country is occupied by a single ethnicity, many country dissolved, because they cannot handle the inter ethnicity issue well.
i don't know whether you are aware or not, president Hu put harmony on the table, which is an old traditional chinese culture, if china follow the footstep of the west, china definitely will dissolve.
So i don't think china could exactly copy western system.
Xinjiang ,tibet, is just many of the tension china is facing, they are just like a time bomb, if you don't handle it well. it will explode.
So economy is just part of china's blueprint, stability and as a result sustainbility is top priority
the tainted milk show that china government is not regulative in the milk industry, but just exactly like western country, that's the price have to be paid to modernisation,
And although this incident kill 6 child, and thousand of them affected.
But i can guarantee, if stability is not achieved, it will be much much worse than this.
Originally posted by rokkie:the tainted milk show that china government is not regulative in the milk industry, but just exactly like western country, that's the price have to be paid to modernisation,
And although this incident kill 6 child, and thousand of them affected.
But i can guarantee, if stability is not achieved, it will be much much worse than this.
I believe that china businesses will slowly learn from the lesson of cheating. The result is bankruptcy. The impact is severe and dangerous to people health.
Hope that they can gain back the trust of customers on chinese products and pursue a more cleaner and ethical way of running businesses.
After all that has happened recently....everyone is now so paranoid about dary products from china and companies using china dairy to produce them. In face it's been boycott by so many people that i wouldn't be surprised that the company is bankrupt and facing credibility issues.
it's a political empty move.
whether limited political reform or not, as long as it do good to public, it's ok, democracy maybe could not be achieved in a short run,
but as far as china is concerned, democracy is not priority, like in the west, almost all the country is occupied by a single ethnicity, many country dissolved, because they cannot handle the inter ethnicity issue well.
i don't know whether you are aware or not, president Hu put harmony on the table, which is an old traditional chinese culture, if china follow the footstep of the west, china definitely will dissolve.
So i don't think china could exactly copy western system.
Xinjiang ,tibet, is just many of the tension china is facing, they are just like a time bomb, if you don't handle it well. it will explode.
So economy is just part of china's blueprint, stability and as a result sustainbility is top priority
i think u r confuse, how can communist run country have democracy? are you expecting the dissolve of the communist party? are you hearing they are going to have local governer being elected by ppl?
the political reform you are hearing is built is having higher tolerant of critism of communist party and greying area of OB markers for speech freedom.
the tainted milk show that china government is not regulative in the milk industry, but just exactly like western country, that's the price have to be paid to modernisation,
And although this incident kill 6 child, and thousand of them affected.
But i can guarantee, if stability is not achieved, it will be much much worse than this.
dont get your pt. the NZ company has alerted sanlu about the melamine found to sanlu and even alerted the local provincial govt. but they decided to keep mum over the issue for few mths. how such action going to disstablise the communist rule by saving more lives? dont u think this is just action of the selfishness and self profiteering of the close relationship between the local provincial enterprise and govt officials.
i think that this is really the last straw with regards to credibility of chinese produce and product
there are also some responsible chinese company too but the pt we dont know who and when such things will happen again, i dont think we are going to hear the last yet. i still eat century egg from china, eat instant noodles made in china while in sg. and i eat everything from china while on biz trip there. When my time is up, its up lor. i take my life easy.
Originally posted by angel7030:
I believe that china businesses will slowly learn from the lesson of cheating. The result is bankruptcy. The impact is severe and dangerous to people health.
Hope that they can gain back the trust of customers on chinese products and pursue a more cleaner and ethical way of running businesses.
in aspect of ethics, businessman cannot even be compared to 5 years old kid, they are result oriented, so i think what we need here is more regulation
Originally posted by reyes:i think u r confuse, how can communist run country have democracy? are you expecting the dissolve of the communist party? are you hearing they are going to have local governer being elected by ppl?
the political reform you are hearing is built is having higher tolerant of critism of communist party and greying area of OB markers for speech freedom.
but current stage, we have not be able to elect our own local governor, but my point is democracy is not the only solution, it depends, also democracy is beautiful, but it's not a must,
just like me, i live in china now, i feel comfortable, no matter who is ruling, as long as they don't annoy me, it's ok,
western label china as communist country, but you see, china is not like the rest of the communist country, china have it's unique way, china is pulling ppl out of poverty.
If Jiang jieshi win the war against mao, i think the new china will go a capitalist way, but Mao win, why because he win the support of public,
i have tell you, during those day, the capitalist world got a lot of problem, recession, unemployment, so china choose to go a socialist way with china flavor,
I have tell you stability is above all, why china till now still remain as one country, because chinese people are tolerant, they can tolerant each other ,accept each other as they are, if china go western way, yes, economy will greatly boasted, but people become more selfish, more egoestic, no more tolerate ,then the tension in china will become very huge, social and inter ethnical harmony will be greatly endangered.
Originally posted by reyes:there are also some responsible chinese company too but the pt we dont know who and when such things will happen again, i dont think we are going to hear the last yet. i still eat century egg from china, eat instant noodles made in china while in sg. and i eat everything from china while on biz trip there. When my time is up, its up lor. i take my life easy.
it's an isolated incident, anyway sanlu already go bankcrupt, and many people who commit crime is being under judiciary procedure,
And the the product contains melamine, will not affect adult so much, i am not excusing some company from this incident, anyway, the child drink the milk powder, can seek compensation through judiciary procedure
And i can garantee, this is not last, because from philosophical point of view, as long as human is participating in the industry, they will commit fault, but i can garantee, from now on the milk industry will never have such thing again, china already come up will new regulation,
anyway, china is not like the old days, only making the low quality product, when i was young, i also never trust china product, i prefer japan product, because of high quality, but china already not the old china, like lenovo, haier, huawei, many company already being the top 500 in the world. And what we are producing, is with the highest technology.
It used to be like this, the high ranking officer in the company are from hongkong , taiwan or singapore, but, now more and more local manager is emerging, consist of 90% of the industry, it's the fruit we get from opening up.
No one could be exemplified from this case, i hope they can learn a lesson, and i apologize for everyone have been affect by this thing in singapore,
but current stage, we have not be able to elect our own local governor, but my point is democracy is not the only solution, it depends, also democracy is beautiful, but it's not a must,
just like me, i live in china now, i feel comfortable, no matter who is ruling, as long as they don't annoy me, it's ok,
western label china as communist country, but you see, china is not like the rest of the communist country, china have it's unique way, china is pulling ppl out of poverty.
If Jiang jieshi win the war against mao, i think the new china will go a capitalist way, but Mao win, why because he win the support of public,
i have tell you, during those day, the capitalist world got a lot of problem, recession, unemployment, so china choose to go a socialist way with china flavor,
I have tell you stability is above all, why china till now still remain as one country, because chinese people are tolerant, they can tolerant each other ,accept each other as they are, if china go western way, yes, economy will greatly boasted, but people become more selfish, more egoestic, no more tolerate ,then the tension in china will become very huge, social and inter ethnical harmony will be greatly endangered.
i am not saying democracy is beautiful nor will it solve china food contaminated issues. but in democracy, the ruling govt will feel the pressure to perform and responsible to the ppl otherwise they will be voted out. this is not happening in a communist rule! maybe the current wenjiabao, hujintao is responsible and willingness to crack down on corruption etc, but what happen to china if the Ren da meeting choose someone who rule like Mao or jiangching? are the chinese going to wait for them to die again and hopefully another deng xiaoping to appear again?
anyway, whether china is communist or not, is not my priority la. i just work in china occassionally and i must say agree that chinese ppl are very tolerant and nice to foreigner.
i applaud for what china as achieve, but on the other hand, we have seen numerious time how china can outsmart the rest of the world and going around the law and keep producing sub standard products, such as toys, fish, , century egg, milk, milk by products.
until china can stamp it from happening, the opinion of the world of china will remain.
Originally posted by reyes:i applaud for what china as achieve, but on the other hand, we have seen numerious time how china can outsmart the rest of the world and going around the law and keep producing sub standard products, such as toys, fish, , century egg, milk, milk by products.
until china can stamp it from happening, the opinion of the world of china will remain.