Israel hits Palestine again while West Cheers Them On
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Practice what you preach. If you dont like "blaming", then why are you condemning Hamas. Isn't that the same as blaming them for the bloodshed?
Not condemn Hamas?You must be addled in your brains! They are the antagonist in the entire middle east plans for peace with their call for genocide upon a nation!.
I hold more respect for a dog, a cat, a pig, a horse or a cow than to Hamas. They are worst than animals, they are beasts. They and their kind murder innocent people, both palestinians and jews as well as others in their mis-guided agenda to achieve political and religious domination, but only tools and fools used by bigger fishes seeking for world domination by the persian Iran and Al Queda.
Make no mistake, even as i am a humanitarian, believe me, i would NOT hesistate to pull the trigger to blow their brains out the way i would blow a mauling tiger in order to save precious human lives.
What the hell is 'disportionate' ? A stone that kills is equivalent to a nuclear bomb that wipes out, because human lives are lost. Does it matter to a human or their loved ones if it was a stone or a nuke that kill the victim?
How many precious lives lost then can it be called 'proportionate'?
The human life is precious. I would had been apathetic and closed my eyes and ears to everything else. But our late Ms Lo Hwee Yen made me realise how precious life is.
It was not because she was pretty. It was not because she was a grad. It was not because she was successful. It was because she was human. With a life ahead to live. And yet mercilessly cut down. By an evil ideology manipulated from a peaceful religion.
Just as innocent Jews and Palestinian lives were cut down. Men, women and espacially children. By an ideology that gains sympathies, funds and recruits to grow.
No. I have no sympathy for Hamas and their kind or for those who sympathize with them. My sympathies are for the innocent jews and palestinians who had to bear with them, and died because of them.
May they finally find peace. And their loved ones bear the sorrow the way loved ones of our Ms Lo bore.
Moderate Muslims must stand up to end this tragedy of our times, of a religion hijacked by beasts, denounce them, and issue hunting licence for every single one of them. They are not fighting on behalf of religion, they are only destroying it.
The Muslim holy book cannot shoulder this responsibility of being spat upon by billions of this world whom are not muslims as more innocents die. There are too many beautiful verses in the Koran that comforts the soul, just like the Bible, the Buddhist Sutras and the Hindu Vedas.
I , a non-muslim, would wear a sackcloth, for the sacriledge the terrorists had done to the holy book, written by a good man who lived during the 6th century, who united and uplifted a diverse nomadic society into greatness and knowing the Almighty, giving peace to a people whom faced brutal tribal leadership in a harsh land.
Peace be unto all.
PS:- My sense of right and wrong is always clear where human lives are concerned. I hold doctors with the highest regard. I could never swear to the Hippocratic oath, knowing that i must save a life even whom he/she will only continue to murder many other lives once he lives.
Just as Muslims and non-muslims are oblivious to the despicable Hamas and others like them on the harm they do to innocent lives and yet continue to support them. At least doctors attempt to save lives, these supporters only help encourage murdering of more lives.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Well, I'm not saying that I support what is going on in Gaza thats for sure. But given the kind of history we're talking about, the explosive mix of Palestinian Nationalism and regligious extremism, I think there is little we can do but watch the dominoes fall. At least for now...
I optimistically believe that not all the Arabs have axes to grind with Israel. And the Arab peace initiative you mentioned is a good point supporting that. However, the Arabs themselves are split between the moderates and the extremes. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc, all have an interest in regional stability for the sake of profits. Its the other bunch such as Iran and Syria thats destabilizing the region with their invisible hands, encouraging groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas in taunting Israel, drawing their military out for a fight. Bush Jr may have been an unpopular President, but he was right on the money naming Iran and Syria to be part of that axis of evil. These are the bunch that need to be dealt with in order to cut off Hezbollah and Hamas, the parties that are number 1 at antagonizing Israel.
When the world first discovered strategic air power, people who believed in it, also believed that the way to win a war, was to bomb the enemy's infrastructure, women and children such that the enemy loses political will to fight. We moved on from that thankfully. However, Hamas and Hezbollah didn't. On the other hand, from the footages I saw, Israel's retaliatory strike in Cast Lead had specifically targeted rocket launch sites and ammunition storage.
Look, these guys responsible for all those civilian casualties are hiding high explosives in Mosques and buildings with civilian infrastructure in the vincinity. While the IAF had relied on targeting pods and laser guided bombs to hit back, Hamas has been shooting rockets into civilian populated areas. It seems that nobody except Hamas and Hezbollah are targeting civilian populations.
You take a trip to Israel and you will realize how ridiculous it is for a modern nation, prosperous as it is, to be at perpetual state of war and anxiety, not knowing when the next rocket attack will come. Rocket attacks not sent from another hostile state, but by this blood thirsty organization hiding in the Gaza. I can totally understand why the Israelis choose to hit back.
As Sith teaching goes, "Peace is a lie, there is only passion." The Peace Loving majority would have no means to enforce peace other than through the force of arms. How do you subdue belligerents other than through violence? You may lable me Realist now. =D
There are "peace loving" majorities on both side of the fence here. The Palestinian people who are tired of seeing their loved ones being blown up by the crossfire between the IDF and Hamas, and the "peace loving" majorities in Israel who are tired of suicide bombers and incessant rocket attacks places of congregation. So which "peace loving" majority is gonna have their way? From what it looks like, neither are. Since Peace on both sides is impossible without the elimination of Hamas and Hezbollah, then there is only strife until one side prevails. Then, there will be peace... until the next asshole comes along.
From the way I look at it. You have a few kinda people in the Gaza right now, or within Hamas. One, the ones who believe Israeli is an abomination that needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. Two, those who believe that Palestine should be a sovereign state. Both fight Israel. The latter bunch would adhere to a ceasefire or truce... but the first will always provoke. If you can clear out type One, who knows what kind of settle might be possible, and perhaps... peace? Until then, the situation will be as in the preceding paragraph.
Problem is with the attempts to destroy Type One, it is inevitable that you are going to have to destroy property and lives. Technology isn't that advanced, and the way the Palestinians are packed together you cannot avoid collateral damage.
With each attempt, it is going to be more and more difficult for the Palestinian Peaceniks to convince their people that a ceasefire and truce is in their best interest.
Arguing whether the Israelis are justified in their retaliation is a moot point, it's just going to be a fact that Hamas will only grow stronger the way they're doing it, because through these actions you allow their more radical elements to take power.
They take power and resume their rocket/terrorists attacks, prompting the more radical elements of the Israel government to respond with more retaliatory strikes.
We comment on Israel/Hamas/Hezbollah like it's a single group mind but as long as there is a group of humans they are going to be differing views on how best to accomplish something.
Israel's counterattack will only escalate the conflict, not resolve it.
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Israel's counter attack won't escalate the conflict because it already has been escalated. What is the worst the Hamas can do with the IDF locking down Gaza and pounding them from the air, land and sea? Launch more rockets? Israel has already been constantly bombarded by those, so no change there, no escalation there.
The reverse can be said to be true. As the IAF targets more and more missile sites in the Hamas in the Gaza, Hamas is gonna start running out of launchers soon. Palestinian " "Peaceniks" ( i like that term ;-) ) should have been violently prosecuting Hamas members and not letting them use the Gaza strip as launchpad (literally).
And here's a little point of consideration for you. If the Palestinians were truly a peace loving bunch that abhor violence, it wouldn't really take that much effort to convince them that a ceasefire and truce (and maintenance of it) is in their best interest don't you think? There is a fundamental problem with Palestinian society that takes to extremism and violence too easily. Its equally sad and disturbing to see 5 year old Palestinian kids reciting poetry of "Martyrdom."
The conflict, or rather incessant terrorist attacks and rocket/mortar attacks has already reached an escalated level. They are not capable of mounting an outright invasion or launching any larger scale attacks than the ones they have already done. At least not without the IDF sitting on their doorsteps and pounding away. The reverse is true, the IDF can still choose to increase the level of violence and pressure on Hamas.
Israel's retaliation however, may push Israeli-Palestinian "relations" (i'm not sure why im using this term, they aren't even a state...) to a point of no-return. However, "relations" is a pretty small "r" to worry about when you have "Rockets" coming your way.
Thats just the way things are, IMO.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Israel's counter attack won't escalate the conflict because it already has been escalated. What is the worst the Hamas can do with the IDF locking down Gaza and pounding them from the air, land and sea? Launch more rockets? Israel has already been constantly bombarded by those, so no change there, no escalation there.
The reverse can be said to be true. As the IAF targets more and more missile sites in the Hamas in the Gaza, Hamas is gonna start running out of launchers soon. Palestinian " "Peaceniks" ( i like that term ;-) ) should have been violently prosecuting Hamas members and not letting them use the Gaza strip as launchpad (literally).
And here's a little point of consideration for you. If the Palestinians were truly a peace loving bunch that abhor violence, it wouldn't really take that much effort to convince them that a ceasefire and truce (and maintenance of it) is in their best interest don't you think? There is a fundamental problem with Palestinian society that takes to extremism and violence too easily. Its equally sad and disturbing to see 5 year old Palestinian kids reciting poetry of "Martyrdom."
The conflict, or rather incessant terrorist attacks and rocket/mortar attacks has already reached an escalated level. They are not capable of mounting an outright invasion or launching any larger scale attacks than the ones they have already done. At least not without the IDF sitting on their doorsteps and pounding away. The reverse is true, the IDF can still choose to increase the level of violence and pressure on Hamas.
Israel's retaliation however, may push Israeli-Palestinian "relations" (i'm not sure why im using this term, they aren't even a state...) to a point of no-return. However, "relations" is a pretty small "r" to worry about when you have "Rockets" coming your way.
Thats just the way things are, IMO.
Meh, frankly i don't see a real solution to the problem other than the complete extermination of the Palestinians.
Their children are still going to grow up hating Israel, that's not going to change.
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I am no political scientist.
I just wonder that for those who are against what Israel is doing now, what is your suggested solution and why do you think it will work?
Hamas does not recognize Israel's sovereignty, and they are sworn to destroy Israel. In this case, concessions are out. Giving way to their demands are out. So what else is there for Israel to do that you think is effective?
I see a lot of condemnations, but no solution provided forward. As Israel, i think it has the right to stop rockets firing into its land.
Someone said that Israel had planned the land invasion long before the truce ended and claimed that this shows Israel's evil intentions. My take is that its leaders have the foresight to preempt the possible resumption of Hama's attacks and putting in place a plan before the truce ended.
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Originally posted by Jarhum:
googoomuck,
History is perceptible from different angles.
Although I have scrolled through my posts time and time again, never did I state that Israel invaded and occupied territories. Its just a figment of your imagination that I did.
Since you mentioned it, Israel did invade and OCCUPY territories. Even the Israelies would affirm to that fact. Read U.N resolution 242.
On what basis does your pathetic intellectual capacity attest to the claim that the Arabs were the aggresors? You desire to adhere to a claim which is one of a perceptible and contentious nature. I simply asserted that the Arabs retailiated in broad view of the historical fact that Israel DID conduct the first pre emptive strike before an official declaration of war. Since Egypt, Jordan and Syria are legitimately state actors of the international realm, the corresponding attack on Israel following its preemptive
strike would be called a retaliation.I begin to detect nuances of racism in your third paragraph which is most certainly unconstructive for any intellectual debate or discussion. But then again I shall not insult myself.
Both of your claims are ambigious and inaccurate. And for your info, this is not a myth but could possibly tantamount to a myth if not kept in check.
firstly only 3 nations initially amassed their troops of 3 front. (congrats, you got the number of fronts right). then Iraq joined in the fray soon after. Even so, this fact falls short of 3-4 nations as you claim)
The act of egypts temporary bloackade of the Straits of Tiran alone does NOT tantamount to an act of war ALONE. As i mentioned the Suez Crisis played a pivotal role in the 1967 war and there exists numerous causations which was attributed to the war itself.
Before you make a feeble attempt at arguing with a political scientist, do your research properly and learn to segregate rationalism from emotional tirade because it reflects poorly on your intellectual standing.
I'm just very interested to understand why there are some people like you who like to twist the facts.
Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Algeria also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces, making a total of seven.
Google is not the only source for information. There are many books in the libraries and reputable book stores as well.
Your attempts to 'change' history has failed miserably.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Not condemn Hamas?You must be addled in your brains! They are the antagonist in the entire middle east plans for peace with their call for genocide upon a nation!.
I hold more respect for a dog, a cat, a pig, a horse or a cow than to Hamas. They are worst than animals, they are beasts. They and their kind murder innocent people, both palestinians and jews as well as others in their mis-guided agenda to achieve political and religious domination, but only tools and fools used by bigger fishes seeking for world domination by the persian Iran and Al Queda.
Make no mistake, even as i am a humanitarian, believe me, i would NOT hesistate to pull the trigger to blow their brains out the way i would blow a mauling tiger in order to save precious human lives.
What the hell is 'disportionate' ? A stone that kills is equivalent to a nuclear bomb that wipes out, because human lives are lost. Does it matter to a human or their loved ones if it was a stone or a nuke that kill the victim?
How many precious lives lost then can it be called 'proportionate'?
The human life is precious. I would had been apathetic and closed my eyes and ears to everything else. But our late Ms Lo Hwee Yen made me realise how precious life is.
It was not because she was pretty. It was not because she was a grad. It was not because she was successful. It was because she was human. With a life ahead to live. And yet mercilessly cut down. By an evil ideology manipulated from a peaceful religion.
Just as innocent Jews and Palestinian lives were cut down. Men, women and espacially children. By an ideology that gains sympathies, funds and recruits to grow.
No. I have no sympathy for Hamas and their kind or for those who sympathize with them. My sympathies are for the innocent jews and palestinians who had to bear with them, and died because of them.
May they finally find peace. And their loved ones bear the sorrow the way loved ones of our Ms Lo bore.
Moderate Muslims must stand up to end this tragedy of our times, of a religion hijacked by beasts, denounce them, and issue hunting licence for every single one of them. They are not fighting on behalf of religion, they are only destroying it.
The Muslim holy book cannot shoulder this responsibility of being spat upon by billions of this world whom are not muslims as more innocents die. There are too many beautiful verses in the Koran that comforts the soul, just like the Bible, the Buddhist Sutras and the Hindu Vedas.
I , a non-muslim, would wear a sackcloth, for the sacriledge the terrorists had done to the holy book, written by a good man who lived during the 6th century, who united and uplifted a diverse nomadic society into greatness and knowing the Almighty, giving peace to a people whom faced brutal tribal leadership in a harsh land.
Peace be unto all.
PS:- My sense of right and wrong is always clear where human lives are concerned. I hold doctors with the highest regard. I could never swear to the Hippocratic oath, knowing that i must save a life even whom he/she will only continue to murder many other lives once he lives.
Just as Muslims and non-muslims are oblivious to the despicable Hamas and others like them on the harm they do to innocent lives and yet continue to support them. At least doctors attempt to save lives, these supporters only help encourage murdering of more lives.
Not condemn Hamas?
You must be addled in your brains! They are the antagonist in the entire middle east plans for peace with their call for genocide upon a nation!.
I hold more respect for a dog, a cat, a pig, a horse or a cow than to Hamas. They are worst than animals, they are beasts. They and their kind murder innocent people, both palestinians and jews as well as others in their mis-guided agenda to achieve political and religious domination, but only tools and fools used by bigger fishes seeking for world domination by the persian Iran and Al Queda.
So does the state of Israel murders innocent people when they use F-16s on a prison population of 1.5 million. I thought you didnt want to play the "blame game"? If you really cared about human life, then cursing Hamas for 80 Israeli deaths while overlooking the 800+ Palestinian deaths, including women and children, doesn't really reflect well on you. Spare some curses for the State of Israel as well.
I , a non-muslim, would wear a sackcloth, for the sacriledge the terrorists had done to the holy book, written by a good man who lived during the 6th century, who united and uplifted a diverse nomadic society into greatness and knowing the Almighty, giving peace to a people whom faced brutal tribal leadership in a harsh land.
Got a picture?
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Israel's counter attack won't escalate the conflict because it already has been escalated. What is the worst the Hamas can do with the IDF locking down Gaza and pounding them from the air, land and sea? Launch more rockets? Israel has already been constantly bombarded by those, so no change there, no escalation there.
The reverse can be said to be true. As the IAF targets more and more missile sites in the Hamas in the Gaza, Hamas is gonna start running out of launchers soon. Palestinian " "Peaceniks" ( i like that term ;-) ) should have been violently prosecuting Hamas members and not letting them use the Gaza strip as launchpad (literally).
And here's a little point of consideration for you. If the Palestinians were truly a peace loving bunch that abhor violence, it wouldn't really take that much effort to convince them that a ceasefire and truce (and maintenance of it) is in their best interest don't you think? There is a fundamental problem with Palestinian society that takes to extremism and violence too easily. Its equally sad and disturbing to see 5 year old Palestinian kids reciting poetry of "Martyrdom."
The conflict, or rather incessant terrorist attacks and rocket/mortar attacks has already reached an escalated level. They are not capable of mounting an outright invasion or launching any larger scale attacks than the ones they have already done. At least not without the IDF sitting on their doorsteps and pounding away. The reverse is true, the IDF can still choose to increase the level of violence and pressure on Hamas.
Israel's retaliation however, may push Israeli-Palestinian "relations" (i'm not sure why im using this term, they aren't even a state...) to a point of no-return. However, "relations" is a pretty small "r" to worry about when you have "Rockets" coming your way.
Thats just the way things are, IMO.
Even peace-loving people will have to retaliate when their compatriots are dying everyday from air strikes, which they have no way of retaliating at all. Too much hatred has gone into the land for any peace to arise.
I agree with Stevenson, sad to say, the conflict will never be solved unless the Palestinians are wiped out (happy now googoomuck?) or are moved to some Arab country.
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Originally posted by Jarhum:
googoomuck,
It seems your arguments and statements are largely based on emotional blaberring and lambasting.
I sympathize with your severe lack of conscience at the loss of human lives.
Lets not argue on which side initiated this most recent conflict which is simply a spiral of past events which will accede a long debate.
Hamas rhetoric is overblown out of proportion so let the focus be on the effect of this conflict.
Recent reports have came in testifying to the Zionist purposeful intent on attacking innocent civilians, women and children. They just bombed a U.N school where many innocent lives were taking refuge and even non- Gazans were maliciously killed by the IDF the perpertrators of terrorism.
There exists no tangible association with Gazans giving Hamas the popular vote as the main raison d etre is the terrible and overwhelming corruption of Fatah and the lack of social services vis a vis Hamas. The Gazans did not voted Hamas simply and even majoritarily for its hatred of the Zionists.
Thus, the effect of this war is a big loss for humanity.
Palestinian sources said the casualties in the bombed school were mostly civilians.
You know what that means, don't you?
Terrorists have misused mosques, hospitals, orphanages, homes and schools. That's not news anymore.
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*yawn*
So u support Hamas ?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Palestinian sources said the casualties in the bombed school were mostly civilians.
You know what that means, don't you?
Terrorists have misused mosques, hospitals, orphanages, homes and schools. That's not news anymore.
Or it could mean that Israel actually bombed a school.
Just like how the US, using almost the same "precision" weapons, managed to bomb weddings, schools and hospitals in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Even peace-loving people will have to retaliate when their compatriots are dying everyday from air strikes, which they have no way of retaliating at all. Too much hatred has gone into the land for any peace to arise.
I agree with Stevenson, sad to say, the conflict will never be solved unless the Palestinians are wiped out (happy now googoomuck?) or are moved to some Arab country.
Hey, I didn't say that !
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Or it could mean that Israel actually bombed a school.
Just like how the US, using almost the same "precision" weapons, managed to bomb weddings, schools and hospitals in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Because the Talibans have misused those buildings. Any shells or gunfire directed at the US troops from those grounds were pin-pointed and destroyed.
I'm glad that you made this fact known to us.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Hey, I didn't say that !
But you have no issues with that right? Judging from your lack of scruples over Israel's bombings.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Because the Talibans have misused those buildings. Any shells or gunfire directed at the US troops from those grounds were pin-pointed and destroyed.
I'm glad that you made this fact known to us.
So let's use the example of how the US bombed a wedding procession in Afghanistan. Perhaps the night before, some Taliban had passed the same place. Even though the US has the world's most well-funded intelligence agency, the next morning, while some Afghans were making merry, US war planes (who couldnt distinguish a wedding procession from a Taliban mob) dropped some thousand pound bomb on the group. That sure is a good way to win the hearts and minds of the Afghanistan people.
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
But you have no issues with that right? Judging from your lack of scruples over Israel's bombings.
I have no issues with Hamas if they don't fire rockets at Israel.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
I have no issues with Hamas if they don't fire rockets at Israel.
Here we go again....
And what about Israel's oppression of the Gazans?
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lol.. the blame game.. having no solution. Might as well say until the bibilical days when Israel was oppressed also. hahaha
shiet..
watching u guys is like watching a re-run over n over n over n over again.
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Thats why I said "Here we go again...".
This is a tiring topic to discuss.
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Here's a new look at the Israeli invasion of Gaza.
Guess What? Lots Of Oil,
Natural Gas In Gaza!
A Secret Behind Israel's Siege of Gaza: Palestinians
Have Oil and Natural Gas ResourcesMartha Rose Crow, M.S.
1-7-09http://www.rense.com/general84/guess.htm
- "there is an abundance of oil reserves both on the strip and offshore" http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/entries/q_israeli_palestinian_peace/
- "The Palestinians are, in aggregate, energy rich. For the past six years, the Palestinian Authority has been sitting on a major gas field that contains at least 1.4 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of gas."
- http://www.epalestine.com/PalestineEnergy.pdf
- "Palestine was rewarded with an oil reserve 22 miles off of the coast of the Gaza Strip. The entire country was excited by this natural mineral that would hopefully provide them with the economic freedom and financial stability they desired. Unfortunately, the financial success did not come directly on the heels of their discovery"
- http://www.oilandgasinvestingglossary.com/palestines_natural_gas_troubles.asp
- To find the real reasons behind conflicts and wars in this world, you need to follow some or all of four things: Money, blood, power or natural resources (usually oil or natural gas but it can be cobalt like in the Congo).
- Oil is behind the conflicts in Darfur, Somalia and other similar places.
- The war in Afghanistan was never about finding bin Laden. It was about uniting Afghanistan into a single government so a pipeline could be constructed to bring a million barrels a day from areas north of Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Russia to markets (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html).
- We need to stop listening to what the "official" media tells us when it comes to conflicts and wars because the official media is corporate and government owned and/or controlled by government. Less than one percent of the "news" in the world today is reported and what is reported is usually heavily edited and slanted for propaganda purposes.
- Governments don't want the world to know that huge genocides are going on just because of oil, gas or other natural resources. The world might get angry as a body and might organize to reject the genocides. Big Oil and Energy doesn't want that to happen because it will interfere with their profits.
- Historically, it has been "efficient" for Big Energy's short-term profit line to steal resources or get them "lower than wholesale" than to pay the owners decently for them. This is how they've always done business (force by boot and gun).
- The World has been watching Israel's genocide of the Palestinians for a long time but incredibly, the media never mentions the Palestinians' natural resources or the fact that Israel has thwarted Palestine's efforts to develop them.
- The Palestinians are usually portrayed on television as victims of impossible, cyclical poverty. Ironic the Palestinians wouldn't have to live in poverty if Israel would let them develop their natural resources.
- But developing Palestine's energy resources wouldn't be in Israel's self-interest. The oil and gas revenues would empower the Palestinians. They wouldn't have to starve to death or struggle in poverty. Empowered Palestinians would be able to invest in infrastructure of their legal government, Hamas.
- Israel wants the Palestinians crushed and disappeared so Israel can expand its territories for its citizens, have better access to the sea for its navy and serve as watchdog for US and Israeli hegemony.
- Israel wants the Palestinians' oil and gas for its own because Israel needs it for its country's needs. Middle eastern countries are loathe to sell their supplies to Israel. The rulers and people of area countries know that Israel has been slaughtering their Muslim kin for over six decades and it is against their morals to help Israel with energy supplies, especially fuel for Israeli tanks, airplanes and military vehicles.
- To thwart Palestine from developing its energy supplies, Israel keeps the region in turmoil plus in 2005, "Israel delivered a major blow to the Palestinians' fledgling oil industry by choosing to import natural gas from Egypt. By doing this, Israel completely bypassed its neighbor in favor of making a political statement. The Israeli government feared that any money given to Palestine would be later used to fund acts of terrorism against Israel."http://www.oilandgasinvestingglossary.com/palestines_natural_gas_troubles.asp)
- Finding information about Palestine's oil and gas resources is difficult. Even wikipedia doesn't mention it nor do most encyclopedias and other academic resources.
- The major corporate media has completely ignored and/or has remained blissfully ignorant about Palestinian oil and gas because it goes against the script of how powerful hidden western corporate and government interests want to portray Palestine.
- Western media, Israel and the US would rather have the world see Palestinians groveling in extreme poverty and/or portrayed as "terrorists" who want to kill everyone.
- Palestinians, empowered from oil and gas revenues, could live decently. Shed of their impoverished image, the world would see them as the Bright, Shining Human Beings they are. But Bright, Shining Human Beings are harder to disappear than those depicted by governments and the media as untermenschen (nazi German term for "inferior people").
- If you want to know more about this important subject, the best places to look are oil and energy websites and publications.
- Palestinian oil and gas is no secret in the energy field. It's just a secret to everyone else.
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IDF ready to deploy in all of Gaza Strip
As Operation Cast Lead concluded its harshest 24 hours on Tuesday after the IDF lost five soldiers, senior defense officials revealed that the army was prepared to deploy in the entire Gaza Strip, if necessary.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak will decide in the coming days whether Israel should expand the ground operation against the Hamas terrorist infrastructure, they said.
Since the ground operation was launched on Saturday, IDF troops from several infantry and armored brigades have, according to Palestinian reports, taken up positions throughout northern Gaza - near Beit Lahiya, Beit Hanun, Jabalya, Saja'iya and al-Atatra.
Despite increasing international pressure on Israel to withdraw its troops, a senior official confirmed that plans had been drawn up to move troops into the south as well.
Four soldiers were killed in friendly-fire incidents that took place during fighting on Monday night.
Three soldiers were killed when a tank mistakenly opened fire on a home in Saja'iya occupied by officers and soldiers from the Golani Brigade. Another tank accidentally fired on a home in al-Atatra, killing an officer in the 202nd Battalion of the Paratroop Brigade.
The soldiers were Cpl. Yousef Moadi, 19, who lived recently in Haifa, but was originally from the Druse village of Yirka; Maj. Dagan Wertman, 32, from Ma'aleh Michmash in the Binyamin region; St.-Sgt. Nitai Stern, 21, from Jerusalem; and Capt. Yonatan Netanel, 27, from Kedumim.
On Tuesday morning, St.-Sgt. Alexander Mashevizky, 21, was killed and four other soldiers from a joint Golani-Engineering Corps force were lightly wounded in a gun battle with Hamas operatives in northern Gaza City.
Mashevizky, a member of an elite Engineering Corps unit, led the joint force, which was ambushed by Hamas gunmen while conducting ground sweeps. The Hamas operatives were reportedly hit by IDF fire.
Barak said Tuesday that Israel had paid a painful price for a bitter, unavoidable battle.
"It is a bitter battle, but an unavoidable one," he continued. "No peace-loving country can allow a terrorist organization to ruin daily life and embitter the lives of civilians."
A senior IDF officer said on Tuesday that Hamas had stepped up its attacks against troops based in the periphery of towns and villages in northern Gaza. Over 150 Palestinians have been arrested in Gaza.
There have also been a number of kidnapping attempts by Hamas operatives who pop out of tunnels and try to grab soldiers.
If the IDF decides to expand its operations, it may send some of the reservists who have been training in the South into the Gaza Strip.
"Hamas is trying to draw us inside the built-up areas," said a senior IDF officer, speaking by a secure phone line from the field. "Hamas is trying to avoid a classic battle with us. Last night, we had a suicide bomber who tried to break into a compound and blow up, and the force responded quickly. There is also sniper fire from hundreds of meters away, and when we get into buildings there is a lot of mortar fire."
In spite of the fierce fighting, diplomatic activity has begun to gain steam, and defense officials predicted that Operation Cast Lead could be over in the coming week if a diplomatic resolution is achieved.
The IDF is conditioning its acceptance of a new cease-fire with Hamas on the establishment of a supervision mechanism in the Gaza Strip and the creation of a force based along the Egyptian side of the Philadelphi Corridor to prevent the smuggling of weaponry and explosives from Egypt into Gaza.
Amid international criticism over civilian deaths and increasing calls for a cease-fire, IDF soldiers edged closer to two major Gaza towns on Tuesday.
A total of 58 Palestinians were killed Tuesday, including 30 who were reportedly killed in an IDF mortar attack on a Jabalya school from which Hamas was launching mortars into IDF positions. The IDF said that several Hamas gunmen were among those killed in the school.
Senior officers said the IDF would likely deepen its operations in Gaza in the coming days.
Since it took up positions in northern Gaza, the IDF said Hamas was having difficulty in launching long-range Katyusha rockets against Ashdod and Beersheba.
"Unless Hamas comes to its senses, we will find ourselves in other parts of the Gaza Strip," a senior officer said. "Hamas is determined, and this operation is not a walk in the park."
The IAF also struck the home of one of the founders of Hamas's rocket division on Tuesday. The IDF said that the terror chief, Iman Siam, was in his house at the time of the air strike in Jabalya.
The army said that in addition to being a founder of Hamas's rocket-launching program, Siam was the head of the group's artillery program throughout the Gaza Strip.
At least 10 Hamas and Islamic Jihad gunmen were killed in other Gaza battles early Tuesday, the IDF said, claiming that soldiers had killed close to 150 Hamas gunmen since the ground operation was launched on Saturday.
Paratroopers operating near the town of al-Atatra discovered a booby-trapped doll at the entrance to a smuggling tunnel. The doll-bomb was safely dismantled.
A Givati force entered a school on Monday night, and in the morning discovered that it was rigged with explosives that were connected to a piano in a nearby home.
In an overnight clash, paratroopers operating near al-Atatra spotted a suicide bomber and opened fire on him. The shooting triggered his explosive belt, which killed him when it detonated. One soldier was lightly wounded in the incident.
Elsewhere, a booby-trapped house was bombed. The IDF believed that under the house were a number of smuggling tunnels.
The IDF announced that it had conducted over 30 sorties during overnight operations late Monday and early Tuesday.
During the raids, IAF planes bombed the Jabalya home of Basal Abu Wadi, a prominent Hamas military officer who was at the level of a company commander in Izzadin Kassam.
The Jabalya home of another Hamas officer, Ashraf Guda, was destroyed in a different air strike. His house was said to function as a Hamas command and control center.
The house of a third company commander in the military wing, Iman Jalala, was also targeted overnight.
Around 40 rockets were fired at southern Israel on Tuesday, causing damage to structures. Six people people suffered from shock, but there were no other casualties.
Magen David Adom paramedics attended 37 rocket impact scenes throughout the day.
Yaakov Lappin contributed to this report.
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If HAMAS plays with fire, it has to be prepared to be burn.
One has to be prepared to reap what one sows.
Israel will ignore the blatant attempts by HAMAS to use their own Palestinian people as Human Shield, by firing at Israel within the midst of the Palestinian schools, residential areas, and public places such as mosques and markets.
HAMAS will have to learn that it will have to pay a high price for the foolish strategy that it purposefully perpetuate for a useless objective that reveal itself as being a pawn used at will by Iran.
The following articles since 2007 will show the despicably callous attitude of HAMAS towards their own Palestinian people.
‘YouTube: Motar Bombs shot from UN School in Gaza’
‘YouTube: Weapons in Gaza Mosque struck by Israel Air Force 1 Jan 2009’
‘YouTube: Rockets ready for launch in Gaza struck by Israel Air Force 1 Jan 2009’
‘YouTube: Israel Air Force Pinpoint Strike on Grad Missile Launchers in Gaza 30 Dec 2008’
Even the independent news agency has confirmed that the recent Israeli artillery retaliation that hit a UN school - was a result of some HAMAS militants purposefully firing from the vicinity of the UN school.
This part of the news was not highlighted by the reporters.
Gaza truce proposed after Israeli shell kills 30
By IBRAHIM BARZAK and JASON KEYSER
Associated Press Writers: GAZA CITY, Gaza (AP) — France and Egypt announced an initiative to stop the fighting in Gaza late Tuesday, hours after Israeli mortar shells exploded near a U.N. school sheltering hundreds of people displaced by the onslaught on Hamas militants. At least 30 Palestinians died, staining streets with blood.
The Egyptian and French presidents didn't release details of their proposal, saying only that it involved an immediate cease-fire to permit humanitarian aid into Gaza and talks to settle the differences between Israel and the Islamic militants of Hamas who rule the small coastal territory.
They said they were awaiting a response from Israel. Israeli officials in Jerusalem declined immediate comment on the announcement, which came amid diplomatic efforts by the U.S. and other nations to resolve a conflict that has seen 600 people killed in 11 days.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice weclomed the initiative, but cautioned that no agreement would succeed unless it halted Hamas rocket attacks on Israel and arms smuggling into Gaza.
Earlier in the day, President-elect Barack Obama broke his silence on the crisis, saying that "the loss of civilian life in Gaza and in Israel is a source of deep concern for me." He declined to go further, reiterating his stance that the U.S. has only one president at a time.
Israel's military said its shelling at the school — the deadliest single episode since Israeli ground forces invaded Gaza on Saturday after a week of air bombardment — was a response to mortar fire from within the school and said Hamas militants were using civilians as cover.
Two residents of the area who spoke with The Associated Press by telephone said they saw a small group of militants firing mortar rounds from a street near the school, where 350 people had gathered to get away from the shelling. They spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.
Majed Hamdan, an AP photographer, rushed to the scene shortly after the attacks. At the hospital, he said, many children were among the dead.
"I saw women and men — parents — slapping their faces in grief, screaming, some of them collapsed to the floor. They knew their children were dead," he said. "In the morgue, most of the killed appeared to be children. In the hospital, there wasn't enough space for the wounded."
He said there appeared to be marks on the pavement of five separate explosions in area of the school.
An Israeli defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not allowed to make the information public, said it appeared the military used 120-mm shells, among the largest mortar rounds.
U.N. officials demanded an investigation of the shelling. The carnage, which included 55 wounded, added to a surging civilian toll and drew mounting international pressure for Israel to end the offensive against Hamas.
At a news conference in Sharm-el-Sheik, Egypt, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said the truce proposal offered by him and French President Sarkozy envisioned an immediate end to combat, so humanitarian supplies can safely enter Gaza.
Mubarak said the plan also calls for an urgent meeting between Israel and the Palestinians to discuss ways to resolve the conflict and provide necessary guarantees to ensure fighting doesn't erupt again.
There was no indication of the plan's chances. Sarkozy said at the news conference that he saw it as a "small hope" for ending the Gaza violence.
Sarkozy said he had spoken to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to inform him of the initiaitve and was awaiting a response.
He said Mubarak invited Israel "to come discuss the question of border security ... (and) that could be in the hours ahead."
In Jerusalem, Olmert's spokesman, Mark Regev, told AP: "We are holding off comments on that for the time being."
At U.N. headquarters, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas welcomed the proposal. "I express my support for the plan set in motion today by President Mubarak and President Sarkozy," said Abbas, who was in New York for a Security Council meeting on the Gaza crisis.
Israeli officials have said any cease-fire agreement must prevent further rocket attacks by Gaza militants and put in place measures to prevent the smuggling of missile and other weapons into the small Palestinian territory.
Rice told the Security Council meeting that the U.S. understood the growing desire for a cease-fire. "In this regard, we are pleased by, and wish to commend, the statement of the president of Egypt and to follow up on that initiative," she said.
But Rice added that any solution must address Israel's security.
"There must be a solution this time that does not allow Hamas to use Gaza as a launching pad against Israeli cities. It has to be a solution that does not allow the rearmament of Hamas, and it must be a solution that finds a way to open (border) crossings so that Palestinians in Gaza can have a normal life," she said.
In the wake of the criticism over civilian casualties, Israel agreed to set up a "humanitarian corridor" to ship vital supplies into the Gaza Strip. Under the plan, put forward by the Israeli Defense Ministry, Israel would suspend attacks in certain areas to allow people to get supplies.
At U.N. headquarters, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called the Israeli bombardment of U.N. facilities in Gaza "totally unacceptable." Israel's shells have fallen around three schools, including the girls school hit Tuesday, and a health center for Palestinian refugees.
Ban added that it was "equally unacceptable" for militants to take actions that endanger Palestinian civilians, referring to the practice of militants making attacks from residential areas.
Some 15,000 Palestinians have packed the U.N.'s 23 Gaza schools because their homes were destroyed or to flee the violence. The U.N. provided the Israeli military with GPS coordinates for all of them.
The three mortar shells that crashed down on the perimeter of the U.N. school struck at midafternoon, when many people in the densely populated camp were outside getting some fresh air, thinking an area around a school was safe.
Images recorded by a cameraman from AP Television News showed crowds fleeing the scene, pavements smeared with blood and battered bodies being carried off by medics and bystanders. A youth who limped away was helped along by several others. Sandals lay scattered on the pavement by a pock-marked wall.
"There's nowhere safe in Gaza. Everyone here is terrorized and traumatized," said John Ging, head of Gaza operations for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency.
An Israeli military statement said it received intelligence that the dead at the girls school included Hamas operatives, among them members of a rocket-launching squad. It identified two of them as Imad Abu Askar and Hassan Abu Askar.
Two residents who spoke to an AP reporter by phone said the two brothers were known to be low-level Hamas militants. They said a group of militants — one of them said four — were firing mortar shells from near the school.
An Israeli shell targeted the men, but missed and they fled, the witnesses said. Then another three shells landed nearby, exploding among civilians, they said, refusing to allow their names to be published because they feared for their safety.
A total of 71 Palestinians were killed Tuesday — with just two confirmed as militants, Gaza health officials said.
An Israeli infant was wounded by one of about two dozen rockets fired into southern Israel by Gaza militants.
Eleven Israelis have been killed since the offensive began: three civilians and a soldier by rocket fire and seven soldiers in the ground offensive, according to Isaeli officials.
Israel will continue to ignore HAMAS use of the Palestinian people as Human Shields when firing the undirected rockets and motars into Israeli villages.
It is no use for HAMAS to cry foul or seek world sympathy.
Israel Hits Second U.N. School, Blasts Way Into Southern Gaza
Tuesday, January 06, 2009
Palestinian medical officials say an Israeli airstrike has hit a U.N. school in the northern Gaza Strip, the second deadly Israeli airstrike to hit a U.N. school on Tuesday.
Israel's military said its shelling was a response to mortar fire from within the school, pressing its assertion that Hamas militants are using civilians as cover. Two residents of the area who spoke to the Associated Press by telephone said they saw a handful of militants firing mortar shells from a street near the school.
Israel has accused Hamas of using schools, mosques and residential areas for cover and staging grounds for terrorist attacks.
Earlier Tuesday there was an attack that killed three at a school in the Gaza city itself.
U.N. and Palestinian medics said 40 Palestinians were killed in the attack, including children, women and elderly people.
Palestinian health official Said Joudeh told the Associated Press the school was turned into a shelter for people displaced by Israel's offensive against Hamas militants.
Under similar circumstances, if ex-PM Mahathir had acted in his extreme stupidity to carry out his threat of bombing Singapore, while using his civilians as Human Shield - do you expect the SAF to allow Singaporeans to be exposed to Mahathir's explosive antics, while we retaliate with one arm tied behind our backs ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
If HAMAS plays with fire, it has to be prepared to be burn.
One has to be prepared to reap what one sows.
Israel will ignore the blatant attempts by HAMAS to use their own Palestinian people as Human Shield, by firing at Israel within the midst of the Palestinian schools, residential areas, and public places such as mosques and markets.
HAMAS will have to learn that it will have to pay a high price for the foolish strategy that it purposefully perpetuate for a useless objective that reveal itself as being a pawn used at will by Iran.
‘YouTube: Motar Bombs shot from UN School in Gaza’
‘YouTube: Weapons in Gaza Mosque struck by Israel Air Force 1 Jan 2009’
‘YouTube: Rockets ready for launch in Gaza struck by Israel Air Force 1 Jan 2009’
‘YouTube: Israel Air Force Pinpoint Strike on Grad Missile Launchers in Gaza 30 Dec 2008’
Israel Hits Second U.N. School, Blasts Way Into Southern Gaza
Tuesday, January 06, 2009
Palestinian medical officials say an Israeli airstrike has hit a U.N. school in the northern Gaza Strip, the second deadly Israeli airstrike to hit a U.N. school on Tuesday.
Israel's military said its shelling was a response to mortar fire from within the school, pressing its assertion that Hamas militants are using civilians as cover. Two residents of the area who spoke to the Associated Press by telephone said they saw a handful of militants firing mortar shells from a street near the school.
Israel has accused Hamas of using schools, mosques and residential areas for cover and staging grounds for terrorist attacks.
Earlier Tuesday there was an attack that killed three at a school in the Gaza city itself.
U.N. and Palestinian medics said 40 Palestinians were killed in the attack, including children, women and elderly people.
Palestinian health official Said Joudeh told the Associated Press the school was turned into a shelter for people displaced by Israel's offensive against Hamas militants.
Click to view photos from the conflict.
Well Hamas played with fire with the full intention to be burnt. Isn't that obvious by now?
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What about it?
Seems everyone's just ignoring information that they're uncomfortable with.