Singapore sentence 20yr old to hang
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Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:
Drugs may ruin lives but it should be the individual's choice who he or she wishes to live his/her life. The government should have no say in it, it may not be entirely healthy but you don't see people being prosecuted for eating too much McDonald's. This goes beyond the argument of corporal punishment or the death penalty, this is an affront to individual freedom and a step towards complete totalitarianism.
so are you ok with kids buying glue, pouring it into a plastic bag, take a deep breathe and get high? after all its the individual's choice.
never known for a BigMac to induce hallucination.... have you?
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A warm welcome to the police state.
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Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:
Drugs may ruin lives but it should be the individual's choice who he or she wishes to live his/her life. The government should have no say in it, it may not be entirely healthy but you don't see people being prosecuted for eating too much McDonald's. This goes beyond the argument of corporal punishment or the death penalty, this is an affront to individual freedom and a step towards complete totalitarianism.
We all live in a society. And the least we could do as part of this society is not to bring burden and hurt to this society. If you want to retain all of your freewill then the only choice you have is to live by yourself on a deserted island.It's very easy to be addicted to drugs. When people get addicted to drugs, they can't work efficiently. If we legalise drugs, these two points will simply translate to economic disaster.
Drugs and McDonalds are totally different thing. Too much McDonalds may be bad but they don't cause people to work that inefficiently (unless you eat so much you get yourself into hospital), neither are they addictive and cause people to rob the banks or their parents for it.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
so are you ok with kids buying glue, pouring it into a plastic bag, take a deep breathe and get high? after all its the individual's choice.
never known for a BigMac to induce hallucination.... have you?
No I am not okay with that and that is why there are legal age restrictions on potentially harmful substances and surely it is the parents' responsibility to educate their children about the dangers of such practices and throwing the kid in prison certainly isn't the way to go about it. However, if it were an adult sniffing that glue then it's entirely his choice and none of us, not even the government, should tell him otherwise.
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Originally posted by annoy-you-must:
We all live in a society. And the least we could do as part of this society is not to bring burden and hurt to this society. If you want to retain all of your freewill then the only choice you have is to live by yourself on a deserted island.It's very easy to be addicted to drugs. When people get addicted to drugs, they can't work efficiently. If we legalise drugs, these two points will simply translate to economic disaster.
Drugs and McDonalds are totally different thing. Too much McDonalds may be bad but they don't cause people to work that inefficiently (unless you eat so much you get yourself into hospital), neither are they addictive and cause people to rob the banks or their parents for it.
You fail to realise that it is entirely the individual's choice whether he/she wants to do drugs, if they want to risk working inefficiently then so be it. I don't think this would be a problem as you wouldn't go to work drunk, why would you go to work high?
Cannabis is not a totally different thing as its not addictive . The problem with committing crime is a moot point as we already have laws against theft.
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Better one trafficker hanged than have a whole generation wasted on drugs. I say fuck him and let him hang.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
Talks of Obama legalizing marijuana? so what? And I doubt it, give me some source indicating that.
It is definitely legal in Netherland, does that mean we should follow them?
drunk people are irritating. We can still deal with them as long as they don't do incredibly stupid things. Drug addicts are harmful. If they stay one corner and smoke their weed, no one will really bother with them. But more likely than not, they are unemployed because their addiction makes them very inefficient at their job, as they are very stoned.
And they are so addicted they they will do stupid and harmful things. Like rob a bank, or deal drugs to other people, in order to get some drugs.
It is evident that drugs and it's withdrawal effects is harmful to society. Very harmful, more than that of macdonald's and smoking and alcohol.
If you want to fight for individual freedom and step away from totalitarism, go fight for the rights of gay people or something. arguing in favour of drugs is not the way.
Well firstly, if we wish to better deter people from using drugs we should follow the Netherland's drug policy as they have a relatively low rate of drug use compared to coutnries with much harsher laws such as the UK and United States.
As in the case of alcohol vs marijuana, it has been shown that alcohol is worse for your health, has a much higher potential for addiction and does cause violence in some. Marijuana on the other hand has no physical addictive properties, isn't anywhere near as bad for you and does not incite violent behaviour in those who use it.
It is only a small percentage of drug users in general who do get addicted and do harmful things and as for the withdrawal effects, withdrawal from alcoholism is much worse than withdrawal from heroin, I know this from the personal experiences of a friend who is an ex-police officer who had to oversee addicts.
From your post it is obvious that you know little, if not nothing about that which you are arguing against, ask any police officer in the world and they will tell you that a drunk person is much more dangerous than someone who's stoned.
Having said all this, your argument has no basis and relies on the usual scare tactics employed by anti-drug propaganda by painting drugs as completely addictive, violence causing items of death.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
so are you ok with kids buying glue, pouring it into a plastic bag, take a deep breathe and get high? after all its the individual's choice.
never known for a BigMac to induce hallucination.... have you?
Saw a bunch of glue sniffing kids long time back ... We thought we are bad enough given my friends' reputation until we saw this group. 1 of them are even talking to a imaginary person.
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Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:
No I am not okay with that and that is why there are legal age restrictions on potentially harmful substances and surely it is the parents' responsibility to educate their children about the dangers of such practices and throwing the kid in prison certainly isn't the way to go about it. However, if it were an adult sniffing that glue then it's entirely his choice and none of us, not even the government, should tell him otherwise.
Teenagers aren't exactly easily controllerable and the rebellious ones have the tendency to go for forbidden fruits to show that they have been there done that . They go for the mentailty of "Ni bei is the best, you try before a not !" . Its best that these instruments are not avaliable to the people to go down this lane . -
Death for small time drug pushers is ok but doing business with Myanmar's druglords is completely legitimate?!
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Death for small time drug pushers is ok but doing business with Myanmar's druglords is completely legitimate?!
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Fuck deterrence. This mook was willing to supply drugs to people for financial gain, consequences to his customers/victims be damned. The old Singaporean neck massage was appropriate for his callous act.
Singapore's penalties for drug trafficking were well known at the time this punk decided he was going to do it, and have been so well before the event. He put the wager down, rolled the dice and lost. Tough shit, and his age doesn't mean squat.
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Why did they even bother to go through the 21 day trial when the penalty was already determined? They might as well have shot him on the spot when he was caught red-handed.
Is Justice supposed to be "tough" or "fair?" Aren't laws meant to uphold Justice? The "automatic" death sentence presumes guilt unless proven innoncent. Is that "tough" or "fair?"
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Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:
Well firstly, if we wish to better deter people from using drugs we should follow the Netherland's drug policy as they have a relatively low rate of drug use compared to coutnries with much harsher laws such as the UK and United States.
As in the case of alcohol vs marijuana, it has been shown that alcohol is worse for your health, has a much higher potential for addiction and does cause violence in some. Marijuana on the other hand has no physical addictive properties, isn't anywhere near as bad for you and does not incite violent behaviour in those who use it.
It is only a small percentage of drug users in general who do get addicted and do harmful things and as for the withdrawal effects, withdrawal from alcoholism is much worse than withdrawal from heroin, I know this from the personal experiences of a friend who is an ex-police officer who had to oversee addicts.
From your post it is obvious that you know little, if not nothing about that which you are arguing against, ask any police officer in the world and they will tell you that a drunk person is much more dangerous than someone who's stoned.
Having said all this, your argument has no basis and relies on the usual scare tactics employed by anti-drug propaganda by painting drugs as completely addictive, violence causing items of death.
unfortunately, i am quite acquinted with the singapore police force, and i know how the drug addicts is like, compared to drunk bastards.
who cares about the health issue of the abuser of drugs or alcohol? why do you keep bringing this up? the point is how they will affect others and society, not how they will destroy themselves.
Holland has lower drug abusers? how will they compare to singapore?
Do you understand what i am saying? drug is bad for society, just like alcohol and cigeratte is bad for society. And it is definitely worst. Why don't you start your argument from there? try asking any police officer in the world who will they prefer to deal with, drug junkies or drunk bastards.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Why did they even bother to go through the 21 day trial when the penalty was already determined? They might as well have shot him on the spot when he was caught red-handed.
Is Justice supposed to be "tough" or "fair?" Aren't laws meant to uphold Justice? The "automatic" death sentence presumes guilt unless proven innoncent. Is that "tough" or "fair?"
there is a 21 days trial to judge. singapore obviously has very low tolerance for drug possession, so people who dwell in it are just plain stupid.
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Hanging by far is the most efficient way (cost-effective)
Just need a rope and a platform
However, it is quite messy to clear up
"Misadventure" will be stated in the death certificate
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Originally posted by skythewood:
unfortunately, i am quite acquinted with the singapore police force, and i know how the drug addicts is like, compared to drunk bastards.
who cares about the health issue of the abuser of drugs or alcohol? why do you keep bringing this up? the point is how they will affect others and society, not how they will destroy themselves.
Holland has lower drug abusers? how will they compare to singapore?
Do you understand what i am saying? drug is bad for society, just like alcohol and cigeratte is bad for society. And it is definitely worst. Why don't you start your argument from there? try asking any police officer in the world who will they prefer to deal with, drug junkies or drunk bastards.
My point is that drugs do not directly affect others, it affects the individual. I don't see what's so hard for you to grasp.
I do understand what you're saying but you are completely factually incorrect, especially in the instance of cannabis. Marijuana is not worse than alcohol and cigarettes, this point has been made by researchers and it was just last year that British scientists actually ranked drugs on a scale according to factors including its affect on society, potential for addiction, effects on health, etc. and marijuana was below alcohol. How is it that alcohol is legal yet marijuana, which is far less harmful, isn't?
I have, and any police officer in the world would much rather deal with someone who's stoned than somebody who's drunk. An alcoholic is violent, someone on marijuana isn't.
Perhaps instead of presenting an argument comprised completely of rhetorical questions try actually addressing some of my points. It's not an argument if it says nothing.
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This is such a pity. Its like black and white rules it seems. Then as well as don't have a court and just make one official document proclaiming that he will be hanged. Why all the drama and the 21 day trial?
Like gUms mentioned, locals here don't even have the remotest idea of what these drugs or some so called drugs are.
I have perfectly normal friends living in other parts of the world like States, Canada, Italy e.t.c. and doing weed is like a totally normal thing to them. You don't get freaking hanged for it man.. Its not even a hardcore drug..
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This is such a pity. Its like black and white rules it seems. Then as well as don't have a court and just make one official document proclaiming that he will be hanged. Why all the drama and the 21 day trial?
Like gUms mentioned, locals here don't even have the remotest idea of what these drugs or some so called drugs are.
I have perfectly normal friends living in other parts of the world like States, Canada, Italy e.t.c. and doing weed is like a totally normal thing to them. You don't get freaking hanged for it man.. Its not even a hardcore drug..
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Why not pay potential drug traffickers millions of dollars so that they will not be tempted to do such stupid things?
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Bring the masterminds to justice? Agree with that. Hang the masterminds after we have extracted information from the courier. Hang one courier, that's one courier less for the masterminds.
No mitigating factors need to be considered in drug trafficking. The crime is heinous enough to deserve death...period.
The laws of the land must reflect the customs and norms of the people. The majority of Singaporeans favour the retention of the death penalty...who are you to tell us how our nation should be governed? What a joke!
It is a new year, yet the opinion of a braggart remains like the same old joke.
How did you come to the conclusion that Singaporean's favor the Death Sentence - let alone its retention ?
Were Singaporeans ever consulted by this Government on any Laws passed - let alone the death sentence ?
The one and only consultation that was ever made to Singaporeans was the ONE and ONLY Merger Referendum concerning Singapore's entry into Malaysia - and even that Referendum was skewed to guarantee ONLY ONE result that fulfills LKY's purposeful ambitions.
- Option A: All Singapore citizens would automatically become citizens of Malaysia, and Singapore would retain a degree of autonomy and state power, such as over labour and education. Singapore would also get to keep its language policies, such as to retain using all four major languages, English, Mandarin, Malay and Tamil.
- Option B: Singapore would become a federal state like that of the other eleven states, with no more autonomy than the other states would, thus ceding control over issues such as labour and education policies to the federal government in Kuala Lumpur. This also meant that there would be less multilingualism - only English and Malay would be used for official purposes, and possibly education. Only those born in Singapore or descended from the Singapore-born would become citizens of Malaysia. There would also be proportionate representation in Parliament from Singapore.
- Option C: Singapore would enter on terms no less favourable than the Borneo territories, Sabah and Sarawak, both whom were also discussing merger with Malaysia. This was to ensure that Malaysia would not discriminate along racial lines, as that would mean discriminating against Sabah and Sarawak, which were predominantly Bumiputra as well.
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Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:
Perhaps instead of presenting an argument comprised completely of rhetorical questions try actually addressing some of my points. It's not an argument if it says nothing.
I wouldn't expect proper argumentation if i were you. Many of the users 'argue' by completely avoiding points and relying heavily on rhetorical questions and semantics. Not everyone is educated.
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Hang the bastard. If people keep asking to be spared, everyone will start doing the samething when getting caught.
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Originally posted by sand king:
Hang the bastard. If people keep asking to be spared, everyone will start doing the samething when getting caught.
They should hang, draw and quarter these bottom feeders. Never spare drug dealers the gallow.they could be victims too. If someone chucked a bag of heroin into your luggage before you boarded a plane, should you be hanged too ?