Singapore sentence 20yr old to hang
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Originally posted by Arkansaw:
Why not pay potential drug traffickers millions of dollars so that they will not be tempted to do such stupid things?
I suspect you are too high to think .... time to go to the ropes ... -
Originally posted by Shotgun:
Why did they even bother to go through the 21 day trial when the penalty was already determined? They might as well have shot him on the spot when he was caught red-handed.
Is Justice supposed to be "tough" or "fair?" Aren't laws meant to uphold Justice? The "automatic" death sentence presumes guilt unless proven innoncent. Is that "tough" or "fair?"
Because without a trial, then it is not justice.
Even if it may seem that the man's guilt is obvious, you still need a trial to determine unambiguously that he truly is guilty. For all you know he may well have left his luggage unlocked and unattended for a while and some shady fella may slip drugs into the luggage. The trial process is there to determine whether or not that is the case.
That's the whole purpose of the trial - to truly determine the guilt or innocence of a person. So if someone chucked a pack of cannabis into your luggage, at least the trial gives you the chance to fight back on that defence!
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U guys dont realise that this dude is only 20yrs old and its for marijuana !!!! You dont hang ppl for a farking PLANT , that has not caused any direct death (overdose) to anyone in History!!!! Fark man thank god im not in singapore now , Goverment kills ppl for a plant and majority of its citizen who doesnt have any compassion. How can a normal human being dont mind a death of another ? I will rather be friends with a dude who smokes marijuana then talk to a typical Singaporean !!! Booo BoO Booo Some ppl might say , marijuana is a gateway drug to harsh chemical drugs , fark that rubbish , A person who has not tried a certain 'Thing' will also assume something , which is always Wrong
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Another runner bites the dust while the kings sleep soundly in thier mansions. Dead over marijuana... u will never O.D from marijuana but kena hang for it.. sad man... sad...
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Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:
I cannot tolerate this barbarism any longer. Those of you who agree with sentencing this man to death are either in support of Singapore's oppressive laws or are severely misinformed. Cannabis is a harmless drug, it is an unhealthy Big Mac compared to alcohol and tobacco. Why it is still illegal is beyond me but hopefully that would change as there have been talks about Obama possibly legalising marijuana and perhaps the rest of the world will follow suit if the U.S. takes a stand against this outdated law founded on corporatism and racism.
Drugs may ruin lives but it should be the individual's choice who he or she wishes to live his/her life. The government should have no say in it, it may not be entirely healthy but you don't see people being prosecuted for eating too much McDonald's. This goes beyond the argument of corporal punishment or the death penalty, this is an affront to individual freedom and a step towards complete totalitarianism.
u can do what ever u like if u are alone in an island.
when u live in a country,then the country shall have a say how u live.
YOUR DECISION will affect others.If u are sick,the country have to admit
u into A & E.Right.If u are too poor and commit crime to get $$ to buy
cannabis,then some one will be hurted,at least financially.
cannabis is just a unhealthy big Mac??
http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/facts/cannabis/en/index.html
About 147 million people, 2.5% of the world population, consume cannabis (annual prevalence) compared with 0.2% consuming cocaine and 0.2% consuming opiates. In the present decade, cannabis abuse has grown more rapidly than cocaine and opiate abuse. The most rapid growth in cannabis abuse since the 1960s has been in developed countries in North America, Western Europe and Australia...
Chronic health effects of cannabis use
- selective impairment of cognitive functioning which include the organization and integration of complex information involving various mechanisms of attention and memory processes;
- prolonged use may lead to greater impairment, which may not recover with cessation of use, and which could affect daily life functions;
- development of a cannabis dependence syndrome characterized by a loss of control over cannabis use is likely in chronic users;
- cannabis use can exacerbate schizophrenia in affected individuals;
- epithetial injury of the trachea and major bronchi is caused by long-term cannabis smoking;
- airway injury, lung inflammation, and impaired pulmonary defence against infection from persistent cannabis consumption over prolonged periods;
- heavy cannabis consumption is associated with a higher prevalence of symptoms of chronic bronchitis and a higher incidence of acute bronchitis than in the non-smoking cohort;
- cannabis used during pregnancy is associated with impairment in fetal development leading to a reduction in birth weight;
- cannabis use during pregnancy may lead to postnatal risk of rare forms of cancer although more research is needed in this area...
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hMz..is ciggies also a drug?
Seems like the health effects of cannabis is quite similar to "sio hun ki"....in simple, not good for health....
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SG drugs laws is not just target small fish.Big fish will not be spared.
Few people know the powerful
CRIMINAL LAW (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) ACT
(CHAPTER 67)
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/This powerful Temporary laws has helped SG to fight against organised crimes for 50 years,as old as PAP!!Therefore,MP have to renew the act every 5 years.
This Act is just like ISA.Only closed door hearing.u can hire lawyers to help u during hearings.If u are so smart to get rich from crimes,this act can lock u up without open hearing and without witness risks for their lifes.The court can order to seize your assets!!But u can be assured that President of Republic of Singapore will look at each case!!A lawyer,yes a lawyer,was recently detained under this Act relating to drugs.He asked a lawyer to defend for him.He is still under detention.
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Originally posted by webben:
The problem is that hanging the courier is ineffective in limiting drug supply; There is an endless number of stupid, ignorant or desperate people willing to courier drugs. The way to prevent drug trafficking is to bring the masterminds to justice or to stop demand. Taking the life of the courier will have zero net effect on the drug market. It's disingenuous.
A couple of other thoughts. Mandatory sentencing can not serve justice as all mitigating factors are ignored. What is the point of having judges who can not decide on sentencing?
Last thought, state-sanctioned death penalty is still murder. 'Should have known better' in no way justifies taking somebody's life. This is barbarism in a so-called first world country. What a joke.
The problem is that hanging the courier is ineffective in limiting drug supply; There is an endless number of stupid, ignorant or desperate people willing to courier drugs. The way to prevent drug trafficking is to bring the masterminds to justice or to stop demand. Taking the life of the courier will have zero net effect on the drug market. It's disingenuous.
The people STILL willing to risk their lives are those probably unaware of the consequences and dire repercussions, but when we sentence that one to death, you can see how strict we are. No net effect? Why don't you go try trafficking here in Singapore? Tell me you're not in the least affected by such harsh sentences. This is not just a measure against people who already are willing to make sacrifices (by sending themselves to death) but also a warning to every other Singapore citizen, PR, and even people overseas to say that we do not tolerate drug trafficking.
The demand for something will always be there. We cannot stop the demand for something without boycotting it. Drugs are right in an addict's face. Tell me how he or she can resist the temptation or anything of the sort to take it.
Last thought, state-sanctioned death penalty is still murder. 'Should have known better' in no way justifies taking somebody's life.
Death penalty may be murder, but it is murder called for by him or herself. By trafficking drugs and play a part in distributing it, are you not committing homicide when people die of drug overdose or addiction? If you can kill others, then murder through the fore-mentioned death penalty is fully warranted because it is clear this should have come! You chose it.
What is the point of having judges who can not decide on sentencing?
Judges sentence based on the circumstances, with what the law as a guide. They do not bend the law by sentencing just as they like.
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
they could be victims too. If someone chucked a bag of heroin into your luggage before you boarded a plane, should you be hanged too ?
Tell the judge this and he/she will definitely decide in your favor. Provided you've got witnesses and evidence.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
u can do what ever u like if u are alone in an island.
when u live in a country,then the country shall have a say how u live.
YOUR DECISION will affect others.If u are sick,the country have to admit
u into A & E.Right.If u are too poor and commit crime to get $$ to buy
cannabis,then some one will be hurted,at least financially.
cannabis is just a unhealthy big Mac??
http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/facts/cannabis/en/index.html
About 147 million people, 2.5% of the world population, consume cannabis (annual prevalence) compared with 0.2% consuming cocaine and 0.2% consuming opiates. In the present decade, cannabis abuse has grown more rapidly than cocaine and opiate abuse. The most rapid growth in cannabis abuse since the 1960s has been in developed countries in North America, Western Europe and Australia...
Chronic health effects of cannabis use
- selective impairment of cognitive functioning which include the organization and integration of complex information involving various mechanisms of attention and memory processes;
- prolonged use may lead to greater impairment, which may not recover with cessation of use, and which could affect daily life functions;
- development of a cannabis dependence syndrome characterized by a loss of control over cannabis use is likely in chronic users;
- cannabis use can exacerbate schizophrenia in affected individuals;
- epithetial injury of the trachea and major bronchi is caused by long-term cannabis smoking;
- airway injury, lung inflammation, and impaired pulmonary defence against infection from persistent cannabis consumption over prolonged periods;
- heavy cannabis consumption is associated with a higher prevalence of symptoms of chronic bronchitis and a higher incidence of acute bronchitis than in the non-smoking cohort;
- cannabis used during pregnancy is associated with impairment in fetal development leading to a reduction in birth weight;
- cannabis use during pregnancy may lead to postnatal risk of rare forms of cancer although more research is needed in this area...
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You are talking about Chronic Smokers , do you even know what chronic means ?
Anyways too much of anything is bad for your health , even too much milk is not good , and of cos you will list the bad points , and how much different or any different is beer and smoking a malboro ?
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Originally posted by gUms:
U guys dont realise that this dude is only 20yrs old and its for marijuana !!!! You dont hang ppl for a farking PLANT , that has not caused any direct death (overdose) to anyone in History!!!! Fark man thank god im not in singapore now , Goverment kills ppl for a plant and majority of its citizen who doesnt have any compassion.
How can a normal human being dont mind a death of another ? I will rather be friends with a dude who smokes marijuana then talk to a typical Singaporean !!! Booo BoO Booo
Some ppl might say , marijuana is a gateway drug to harsh chemical drugs , fark that rubbish , A person who has not tried a certain ‘Thing’ will also assume something , which is always Wrong
Yo dude, me also thanks me kong kong that you are not in singapore, if not i am going to get my gangs on your four limbs flatten.
We sentence a person to hang till death with due notices and understanding, unlike some western countries fake acting as hero and great helper but bombing away villages and cities killing thousands and millions without a blink of an eye, you call that civilisation??? Thank God i am in Singapore, at least i can define drugs rather than some stupid goons who dunno what is marijuana connection?
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Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:
My point is that drugs do not directly affect others, it affects the individual. I don't see what's so hard for you to grasp.
I do understand what you're saying but you are completely factually incorrect, especially in the instance of cannabis. Marijuana is not worse than alcohol and cigarettes, this point has been made by researchers and it was just last year that British scientists actually ranked drugs on a scale according to factors including its affect on society, potential for addiction, effects on health, etc. and marijuana was below alcohol. How is it that alcohol is legal yet marijuana, which is far less harmful, isn't?
I have, and any police officer in the world would much rather deal with someone who's stoned than somebody who's drunk. An alcoholic is violent, someone on marijuana isn't.
Perhaps instead of presenting an argument comprised completely of rhetorical questions try actually addressing some of my points. It's not an argument if it says nothing.
british scientist rank the marijuana thingie right? give me the source. If it is just last year, it should not be hard to find. And no, not everything scientist says is correct, that's why people want to look at how the research was carried out. Remember, not interested in how people destroy themselves.
police officers rather deal with stoned people than drunks? let me give it to you straight, I am a police officer, and I don't want to deal with stoned crazy druggies who share needles and probably disease. drunk bastards may act tough, but sending them home or locking them up for the night is not that hard.
Now, this is the 2nd time i have addressed your point on this.
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Originally posted by gUms:
U guys dont realise that this dude is only 20yrs old and its for marijuana !!!! You dont hang ppl for a farking PLANT , that has not caused any direct death (overdose) to anyone in History!!!! Fark man thank god im not in singapore now , Goverment kills ppl for a plant and majority of its citizen who doesnt have any compassion.
How can a normal human being dont mind a death of another ? I will rather be friends with a dude who smokes marijuana then talk to a typical Singaporean !!! Booo BoO Booo
Some ppl might say , marijuana is a gateway drug to harsh chemical drugs , fark that rubbish , A person who has not tried a certain ‘Thing’ will also assume something , which is always Wrong
so your point is since he is 20, it is cruel? so at what age will it be ok?
I don't mind the death of another bastard scumbag who is obviously part of the mechanics to destroy other people's life.
Yah, go try marijuana openly in what ever fuck country you come from and argue that with the police.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
british scientist rank the marijuana thingie right? give me the source. If it is just last year, it should not be hard to find. And no, not everything scientist says is correct, that's why people want to look at how the research was carried out. Remember, not interested in how people destroy themselves.
police officers rather deal with stoned people than drunks? let me give it to you straight, I am a police officer, and I don't want to deal with stoned crazy druggies who share needles and probably disease. drunk bastards may act tough, but sending them home or locking them up for the night is not that hard.
Now, this is the 2nd time i have addressed your point on this.
huh??? u police officer ar??/ wha lau, !!! Hi sir, nice to know you, please ask the police dun spot check my pubs in joo chiat too often, i can hardly run business with them stopping by and check on marijauna, peng tao, ecstasy, ice etc etc...my pubs are clean ya. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
huh??? u police officer ar??/ wha lau, !!! Hi sir, nice to know you, please ask the police dun spot check my pubs in joo chiat too often, i can hardly run business with them stopping by and check on marijauna, peng tao, ecstasy, ice etc etc...my pubs are clean ya.I no CNB.
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Originally posted by gUms:
U guys dont realise that this dude is only 20yrs old and its for marijuana !!!! You dont hang ppl for a farking PLANT , that has not caused any direct death (overdose) to anyone in History!!!! Fark man thank god im not in singapore now , Goverment kills ppl for a plant and majority of its citizen who doesnt have any compassion.
How can a normal human being dont mind a death of another ? I will rather be friends with a dude who smokes marijuana then talk to a typical Singaporean !!! Booo BoO Booo
Some ppl might say , marijuana is a gateway drug to harsh chemical drugs , fark that rubbish , A person who has not tried a certain ‘Thing’ will also assume something , which is always Wrong
What are you still doing here, then, talking to us 'typical Singaporeans'?
Go and hang out with your weed-smoking friends, yah? I know you think that we're a bit too low-class for you compared to them.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
I no CNB.
anti vice perhaps?? -
Some ang mor guy came here, threw a few eggs on a few cars, made news all over the world, but still he got caned.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
police officers rather deal with stoned people than drunks? let me give it to you straight, I am a police officer, and I don't want to deal with stoned crazy druggies who share needles and probably disease. drunk bastards may act tough, but sending them home or locking them up for the night is not that hard.
Now, this is the 2nd time i have addressed your point on this.
Dude, marijuana users do not use needles. You're just as likely to get diseases from a cigarette smoker.
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Originally posted by webben:
Dude, marijuana users do not use needles. You're just as likely to get diseases from a cigarette smoker.
dude marijuna can be compounded with other chemical to be deadly super addicted drugs.Addict of cigarette can be control and do not destroy a family, a cigarette smoker can still hv a family, career and help the country progress, unlike hardcore drug, addict of drug cannot be control and it destroy a family, a person career, a person future and the country itself.
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SINGAPORE, Jan 3, 2009 (AFP) - A 20-year-old Ghanaian has been sentenced to death in Singapore for trafficking 2.6 kilograms (5.73 pounds) of cannabis, the Straits Times reported Saturday.
The High Court convicted and sentenced Chijioke Stephen Obioha on Tuesday after a 21-day trial held last year, it said.Under Singapore's tough anti-drug laws, the death penalty is mandatory for anyone caught trafficking more than 15 grams of heroin, 30 grams of cocaine or 500 grams of cannabis.
The death penalty is carried out by hanging.
Narcotics officers arrested Obioha in April 2007 following a surveillance operation. He had come to Singapore in 2005 to try out for a football club, the report said.
He was not hired but remained in the city-state working as a middle man for electronics goods dealers. His immigration pass expired in January 2007.
Human rights groups have strongly urged Singapore to abolish the death penalty, but the government maintains that it plays a key role in keeping crime down and is a strong deterrent to organised crime gangs.
In December 2004 Singapore hanged a 25-year-old Australian drug runner Nguyen Tuong Van, despite appeals for clemency by then Prime Minister John Howard.
Two convicted African drug traffickers were put to death in 2007 after their appeals for clemency were turned down and despite protests from the United Nations and rights activists.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
british scientist rank the marijuana thingie right? give me the source. If it is just last year, it should not be hard to find. And no, not everything scientist says is correct, that's why people want to look at how the research was carried out. Remember, not interested in how people destroy themselves.
police officers rather deal with stoned people than drunks? let me give it to you straight, I am a police officer, and I don't want to deal with stoned crazy druggies who share needles and probably disease. drunk bastards may act tough, but sending them home or locking them up for the night is not that hard.
Now, this is the 2nd time i have addressed your point on this.
Well that's because you're a Singaporean police officer who probably has never encountered someone's who's stoned. No offence to the country's police force but they don't exactly have to deal with a lot of the stuff those of other countries do. Oh and you don't use needles for marijuana. Goes to show how much you actually know about drugs.
A person on marijuana does not become violent whereas a drunk person does. Alcohol impairs your judgement much more than marijuana. Talk to any police officer of another country and they will wholeheartedly agree with me.
How many deaths each year are directly caused by alcohol (excluding misadventure while under the influence, etc.)? An average of about 300. Yearly deaths caused by marijuana? Zero. It is impossible to overdose on cannabis.
Not only that, medical marijuana is legal in some states in the United States because it can be used as an effective painkiller and THC, its active chemical, has anti-carcinogenic properties.
Here's the source: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/65988.php
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Originally posted by angel7030:
dude marijuna can be compounded with other chemical to be deadly super addicted drugs.Addict of cigarette can be control and do not destroy a family, a cigarette smoker can still hv a family, career and help the country progress, unlike hardcore drug, addict of drug cannot be control and it destroy a family, a person career, a person future and the country itself.
Dude , Go and Read up on marijuana !!!!! u dont even know what it is,
anyways there is no all good or all bad about anything , Check out this website on wiki , it has a very good balance about the pro and cons on marijuana .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_cannabis#Psychoactive_effects
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Originally posted by angel7030:
dude marijuna can be compounded with other chemical to be deadly super addicted drugs.Addict of cigarette can be control and do not destroy a family, a cigarette smoker can still hv a family, career and help the country progress, unlike hardcore drug, addict of drug cannot be control and it destroy a family, a person career, a person future and the country itself.
Despite what you may think it is possible to have a 'hardcore' drug habit and still function normally. Let's just say personal experience and those of friends have proved this true. Most of you have been propagated to perceive the image of the typical drug user destroying his life but just spend some time amongst those involved in drug culture and you will see how false this is. You don't even need to do that, just look up some statistics on drug addiction and it clearly shows how false that image is.
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Panadol is also a drug.........how?
If buy 1kg of Panadol from Msia and bring back to S'pore, is it ok?
If someone mixed 500grams of Panadol into a jug of LIT and someone drinks it n die, how? Will Panadol be ban?