Originally posted by dcx:Panadol is also a drug.........how?
If buy 1kg of Panadol from Msia and bring back to S'pore, is it ok?
If someone mixed 500grams of Panadol into a jug of LIT and someone drinks it n die, how? Will Panadol be ban?
Not only that, the percentage of users who die as a direct result from drugs are much higher for easily attainable over-the-counter pharmaceuticals than most illicit drugs. It is just plain idiocy to allow pharmaceuticals such as Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride (DPH; brand name Benadryl) and Dimenhydrinate (Dramamine).
should just hang him. No double standards. If next time, an 18 year old comes along means you must let him/her off again?
Under Singapore’s tough anti-drug laws, the death penalty is mandatory for anyone caught trafficking more than 15 grams of heroin, 30 grams of cocaine or 500 grams of cannabis.
My point is that i wanna understand WHAT IF it's 500 grams of Panadol?
Death penalty for 500 grams of Panadol?
*confused*
Eh that's ignoring the facts surrounding the stituation.
The fact that they're illicit means the general population aren't gaining access/using them. It's hardly a logical conclusion that the death rate is higher for over the counter pharmaceuticals when the usage is vastly higher.
Originally posted by skythewood:so your point is since he is 20, it is cruel? so at what age will it be ok?
I don't mind the death of another bastard scumbag who is obviously part of the mechanics to destroy other people's life.
Yah, go try marijuana openly in what ever fuck country you come from and argue that with the police.
No one is talking about openly smoking marijuana , its disrespectful to non-smokers and there are children around , But i dont think there is anything wrong with in door smoking , like holland and other countries in the world , they always tolerate smoking of cannabis in doors , even in perth they allow you to grow 2 plants per home.
The issue here is , a 20yr old chap is going to get hanged for a plant . , He has a mother , who gave birth to him ,who gave you the right to play god and take a man's life if you were talking about herion or some harsh drugs , i might still understand why ppl want him hanged , but its for marijuana a plant .
A Chronic Marijuana smoker , An Alcholic and a dude who smokes 30sticks of cigarate a day , who has it worst?? You wont know unless you do a crititcal research about it .
Originally posted by dcx:Under Singapore’s tough anti-drug laws, the death penalty is mandatory for anyone caught trafficking more than 15 grams of heroin, 30 grams of cocaine or 500 grams of cannabis.
My point is that i wanna understand WHAT IF it's 500 grams of Panadol?
Death penalty for 500 grams of Panadol?
*confused*
Uhh.... cannabis != paracetamol........
Originally posted by FirePig:should just hang him. No double standards. If next time, an 18 year old comes along means you must let him/her off again?
You dont mind an 18 yr old to be hanged???
The fact that there will soon be a review of laws - that will soon allow the Singapore Judiciary more latitude to pass sentence for crimes committed - has shown present laws to be flawed.
The present laws were from a mind that is too lazy to think deeper to social issues, and believe in its own arrogant supremacy in being correct all the time.
The present legislations passed dictate to the judiciary the perimeters of the sentence that are basically imposed by politicians intending to mould social behavior through seemingly pragmatic methods that bear little understanding or empathy towards society at large.
It is simply laziness to explore the various avenues to solve social problems, and the present method is disguised as pragmatic thinking to prevent softness in treating social aberration.
Can a single size or type of broom sweep the multitude in the different types of litter, rubbish, trash and garbage ?
If at all, it is intended to sweep everything under the carpet - without any interest to find the causes of the social ills.
Originally posted by TTT203:The problem is that hanging the courier is ineffective in limiting drug supply; There is an endless number of stupid, ignorant or desperate people willing to courier drugs. The way to prevent drug trafficking is to bring the masterminds to justice or to stop demand. Taking the life of the courier will have zero net effect on the drug market. It's disingenuous.
The people STILL willing to risk their lives are those probably unaware of the consequences and dire repercussions, but when we sentence that one to death, you can see how strict we are. No net effect? Why don't you go try trafficking here in Singapore? Tell me you're not in the least affected by such harsh sentences. This is not just a measure against people who already are willing to make sacrifices (by sending themselves to death) but also a warning to every other Singapore citizen, PR, and even people overseas to say that we do not tolerate drug trafficking.
The demand for something will always be there. We cannot stop the demand for something without boycotting it. Drugs are right in an addict's face. Tell me how he or she can resist the temptation or anything of the sort to take it.
Last thought, state-sanctioned death penalty is still murder. 'Should have known better' in no way justifies taking somebody's life.
Death penalty may be murder, but it is murder called for by him or herself. By trafficking drugs and play a part in distributing it, are you not committing homicide when people die of drug overdose or addiction? If you can kill others, then murder through the fore-mentioned death penalty is fully warranted because it is clear this should have come! You chose it.
What is the point of having judges who can not decide on sentencing?
Judges sentence based on the circumstances, with what the law as a guide. They do not bend the law by sentencing just as they like.
The death penalty has reduced the no. of couriers,therefore reducing supply
of drugs,therefore push the prices of drugs,therefore less drugs pushers,
less tax money spent on the problems.u got it?
do u want use our tax money give the drug pushers a air cond room
to take drugs,like in Australia?
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/335984
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/185/australia.shtml
Australia: First Injection Room Opens in Sydney as West Australia Eyes Similar Plan 5/11/01
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http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/fry2.cfm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5007032.stm
Shooting galleries are used in some countries, such as Australia
Originally posted by Stevenson101:Eh that's ignoring the facts surrounding the stituation.
The fact that they're illicit means the general population aren't gaining access/using them. It's hardly a logical conclusion that the death rate is higher for over the counter pharmaceuticals when the usage is vastly higher.
You're not very familiar with statistics are you? Percentage. Statistics of rates are done in percentages.
Originally posted by gUms:No one is talking about openly smoking marijuana , its disrespectful to non-smokers and there are children around , But i dont think there is anything wrong with in door smoking , like holland and other countries in the world , they always tolerate smoking of cannabis in doors , even in perth they allow you to grow 2 plants per home.
The issue here is , a 20yr old chap is going to get hanged for a plant . , He has a mother , who gave birth to him ,who gave you the right to play god and take a man's life if you were talking about herion or some harsh drugs , i might still understand why ppl want him hanged , but its for marijuana a plant .
A Chronic Marijuana smoker , An Alcholic and a dude who smokes 30sticks of cigarate a day , who has it worst?? You wont know unless you do a crititcal research about it .
Well assuming they all consume a large amount of their respective drug (yes, alcohol and tobacco are considered drugs too) on a daily basis then the alcoholic would have extremely noticeable short-term health effects, the smoker would get minor, more chronic symptoms and the chronic marijuana smoker would be the least affected.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:The death penalty has reduced the no. of couriers,therefore reducing supply
of drugs,therefore push the prices of drugs,therefore less drugs pushers,
less tax money spent on the problems.u got it?
do u want use our tax money give the drug pushers a air cond room
to take drugs,like in Australia?
Take a good, long, hard look at countries most adamant on the war on drugs and you'd find that it does nothing but fund organised crime without actually reducing drug use amongst the population.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:The death penalty has reduced the no. of couriers,therefore reducing supply
of drugs,therefore push the prices of drugs,therefore less drugs pushers,
less tax money spent on the problems.u got it?
do u want use our tax money give the drug pushers a air cond room
to take drugs,like in Australia?
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/335984
Australia: First Injection Room Opens in Sydney as West
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/185/australia.shtml
Australia: First Injection Room Opens in Sydney as West Australia Eyes Similar Plan 5/11/01
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Over the last 20 years, has the incidence of drug addiction been reduced since the supposed reduction in drug couriers, or has there been a consistent number of arrests and drug busts despite the stringent laws ?
In place of the experienced drug couriers, our laws seem to have nabbed dumb youths picked as sacrificial mules in the drug supply chain.
Without the more tolerant environment to ease and wean the habits of the drug addicts, have we not driven many of these underground?
Without spending tax monies to provide such amenities as in OZ, are Singaporeans not spending tax monies to prevent the spread of AIDS/HIV caused by drug addiction as much as by casual sex ?
In 2008, the incidence of AIDS/HIV confirmation in Singapore has increased over that of 2007.
Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:You're not very familiar with statistics are you? Percentage. Statistics of rates are done in percentages.
Show me the numbers and prove me wrong then. That's all i'm asking.
And please use a drug that's commonplace in Singapore, obtainable without a prescription.
Yes, i agree with you tobacco and alcohol are addictive and close if not more destructive. But they are more integrated with our society than drugs like marijuana. Tobacco is already being continously discouraged here.
There are whole restaurants dedicated to wine tasting here and is a part of local cuisine. How are you going to remove alcohol from these places?
Tobacco and alcohol are addictive enough, i don't see why we should allow even more into the country. I don't see it as neccessary.
I'm willing to debate with you on your opinion and accept i may be wrong. I simply expect the same courtesy.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:Show me the numbers and prove me wrong then. That's all i'm asking.
And please use a drug that's commonplace in Singapore, obtainable without a prescription.
Yes, i agree with you tobacco and alcohol are addictive and close if not more destructive. But they are more integrated with our society than drugs like marijuana. Tobacco is already being continously discouraged here.
There are whole restaurants dedicated to wine tasting here and is a part of local cuisine. How are you going to remove alcohol from these places?
Tobacco and alcohol are addictive enough, i don't see why we should allow even more into the country. I don't see it as neccessary.
I'm willing to debate with you on your opinion and accept i may be wrong. I simply expect the same courtesy.
I managed to come to the conclusion that prescription drugs kill a higher percentage of its users than illegal drugs by comparing the number of deaths vs estimate percentage of population using those drugs. The number of deaths are reported here:
and also on other websites which collect statistical data on the subject. Compare it to the estimated drug usage (easily found on Google, no need for me to link) and you'll see for yourself.
I apologise if I had been brash in my previous comment.
Tell SG government at least put an amnesty bin la..
Marijuana banned cause gov cant get moolah out of it la.. hahaha
My condolences......
the sg govt hangs all the traffickers but let big drug lords like Burma's Tan Shui into SG for medical treatment and holidaying....
double standards!
Originally posted by gUms:if you were talking about herion or some harsh drugs , i might still understand why ppl want him hanged , but its for marijuana a plant .
Uh, where do yout think heroin comes from? Rocks, perhaps?
The Singaporean government was much more than fair to this mook by making it abundantly clear that he would be hanged if he brought in more than 500g of dope. Did they hide their policy and spring it on him from all the way out left field?
This guy knew the risks and he decided to try his luck and satisfy his greed. He lost - tough shit. It's not as if he could give a fuck about what his product did to people, so why should we give a fuck about what happens to him?
Originally posted by Shotgun:Is Justice supposed to be "tough" or "fair?" Aren't laws meant to uphold Justice? The "automatic" death sentence presumes guilt unless proven innoncent. Is that "tough" or "fair?"
Shotgun, as Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "My job is to uphold the law, not to do justice". One thing's got bugger-all to do with the other.
come on
the guy broke the law, our law, so he pays for it with his life
so why complain that this is unfair ... etc etc ?
if we're going to start making exceptions, then what the hell is the law there for?
Originally posted by Gedanken:Uh, where do yout think heroin comes from? Rocks, perhaps?
Please don't tell me you think heroin is derived from marijuana?
Originally posted by fudgester:Uhh.... cannabis != paracetamol........
ya..i know tat..
Originally posted by webben:Please don't tell me you think heroin is derived from marijuana?
Did I say that it is derived from marijuana? Don't get too damn clever for yourself because frankly, it looks fucking stupid.
I'll return the insult: please don't tell me you think heroin doesn't come from a plant?
Originally posted by gUms:No one is talking about openly smoking marijuana , its disrespectful to non-smokers and there are children around , But i dont think there is anything wrong with in door smoking , like holland and other countries in the world , they always tolerate smoking of cannabis in doors , even in perth they allow you to grow 2 plants per home.
The issue here is , a 20yr old chap is going to get hanged for a plant . , He has a mother , who gave birth to him ,who gave you the right to play god and take a man's life if you were talking about herion or some harsh drugs , i might still understand why ppl want him hanged , but its for marijuana a plant .
A Chronic Marijuana smoker , An Alcholic and a dude who smokes 30sticks of cigarate a day , who has it worst?? You wont know unless you do a crititcal research about it .
and who are you to play god to allow some bastard who do stuff to destroy other people's life to live?
what about 40 year old people? they don't have mothers? at what age is it ok than? if you want to include the age in your argument, than let's debate at what age will it be ok.