Singapore sentence 20yr old to hang
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Originally posted by skythewood:
and you are a stupid asshole bleeding through your vagina.
Have a nice day Faggot
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He is old enough to get hang.
Man makes the law to protect the majority.
The law must be protected at all times.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Forget philosophy, Shotgun. Let's talk reality here.
I'm not sure how many lawyers you know, but if you knew a few you could well realise that they're not the brightest creatures at the best of times. As such, courts tend to operate by a "bullshit baffles brains" policy. As H L Mencken once said, "A court of law is a place in which Jesus Christ and Judas Iscariot would be treated as equals - with betting odds slightly in favour of Judas".
That being the case, I'd recommend saving a lot of heartbreak by not trying to find and justify any association whatsoever between law and justice. To be blunt, they're simply not smart enough to be capable of handling justice. What they're reduced to is a wiggling about in a straightjacket comprising of a rigid set of rules dressed up in the pomp of the legal profession.
In this case, it comes down to answering a simple question: "Was this fellow found with a sufficient quantity of drugs for the death sentence to be passed?", and the answer is yes. Beyond that, asking a judge or a lawyer to contemplate anything to do with the case is as good as asking a housefly to perform algebra.
Okay, in reality, does "possessing" the limit of items automatically constitute trafficking?
Even if a retard was carrying those drugs, the retard would have to hang according to these laws. That is if we are going by the book; the presumptions laid out in section 17.
Presumption concerning trafficking
17. Any person who is proved to have had in his possession more than —
(a) 100 grammes of opium;
(b) ... etcwhether or not contained in any substance, extract, preparation or mixture, shall be presumed to have had that drug in possession for the purpose of trafficking unless it is proved that his possession of that drug was not for that purpose
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg
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Originally posted by kira.sg:
He is old enough to get hang.
Man makes the law to protect the majority.
The law must be protected at all times.
And who watches the watcher?
Now, I'm not against the Misuse of Drugs Act. I feel there is something wrong with the "presumptions" and the mandatory death penalty.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Okay, in reality, does "possessing" the limit of items automatically constitute trafficking?
Even if a retard was carrying those drugs, the retard would have to hang according to these laws. That is if we are going by the book; the presumptions laid out in section 17.
Presumption concerning trafficking
17. Any person who is proved to have had in his possession more than —(a) 100 grammes of opium;
(b) ... etc
whether or not contained in any substance, extract, preparation or mixture, shall be presumed to have had that drug in possession for the purpose of trafficking unless it is proved that his possession of that drug was not for that purpose
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg
Precisely my point, Shotgun - they would hang the retard. Yes, they're that unimaginative.
Also, the presumption that possession is for the purpose of trafficking is by definition the presumption of guilt. It's there in black and white that the courts do not work upon the principle of innocent until proven guilty, so if you expect them to, you're only setting yourself up for heartbreak.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
And who watches the watcher?
Now, I'm not against the Misuse of Drugs Act. I feel there is something wrong with the "presumptions" and the mandatory death penalty.
Look, seriously, the normal civilians of the country is the watcher.
They can change laws and so on.
But not just by grumbling about it.
The changes just has to be brought up at any paliarment and its done.
But if there is still a majority of people that does not want it changed, then it will stay the same.
The thing is, you may talk loud, but if everyone else is not mumuring with you, then there is not enough voices that can make the change.
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Dunt say SG just hang small fly.
They also get big fish..Lawyer detained since Sept 2005!!
Singapore
High Life Gives Him Away
CNB officers trail him for months before nabbing him LAWYER. Edmund Wong Road bully. And now an accused international drug syndicate leader. As a criminal lawyer, Edmund Wong Sin Yee, 47, was supposed to help his clients stay out of jail. Today, he's the one who needs help. He's now in Changi Prison after being arrested by the Central Narcotics Bureau (CNB) in September.
The shocker: CNB alleges that he is the leader of a drug syndicate dealing in ketamine with street value running into millions of dollars. Since his arrest, he has been held under the Criminal Law (Temporary Provisions) Act, a last-resort law which CNB has been using over the years to take drug syndicate bosses out of circulation. Many such criminals would otherwise get away scot-free as no one would dare testify against them in court.
OFFICERS STUNNED
In an exclusive interview with The New Paper on Sunday, seasoned CNB officers revealed how even they were stunned when they first heard that Wong, a former criminal lawyer, was allegedly the brains behind a new drug syndicate. He is said to have used even his former clients as his runners. Wong was a familiar face to some officers as he had on many occasions represented drug offenders. In April, this year, his name first appeared on CNB's radar. (continued)
Source: The Electric News Paper/Andre Yeo/26 December 2005/http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,99380,00.html
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'Allegaed drug lord loses appeal against detention' + by 'SELINA LUM'
Strait Times 22.02.2008
SG Court of Appeal upheld High Court decision in August 2007 to
extend his detention under
CRIMINAL LAW (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) ACT
(CHAPTER 67)
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/.
The order to detain him has been extended twice,for a year each time.
His lawyer include Senior Counsel Jimmy Yim and lawyer Dennis Chua.
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Can u guys see SG carrs her international anti-drugs
duty to deal with drugs activities OUTSIDE Singapore!!
pl read below.
In other countries,stupid Judges will release him!!
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Disgraced lawyer loses appeal against detention
http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Crime/Story/A1Story20080221-50787.html
Disgraced lawyer loses appeal against detention Selina Lum Thu, Feb 21, 2008
The Straits Times
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A DISGRACED lawyer, detained indefinitely without trial under a ministerial order, on Thursday lost his final bid to be freed.
Since September 2005, Edmund Wong Sin Yee, 49, has been held under the Criminal Law (Temporary Provisions) Act, which allows for those suspected of criminal activities to be detained without trial.
To order such detention, the Home Affairs Minister has to be satisfied that it is necessary 'in the interests of public safety, peace and good order'.
Wong was accused of being a leader in a drug syndicate that smuggled ketamine from Malaysia to Taiwan and from Malaysia to China through Hong Kong between early 2004 and April 2005.
The order to detain him has been extended twice, for 12-month periods each time.
Wong went to the High Court to challenge the detention but this was rejected by Justice Tan Lee Meng last September.
On Wednesday, he appealed to the Court of Appeal, which gave its decision on Thursday to uphold the lower court's judgment.
Wong's instructed counsel, Senior Counsel Jimmy Yim, had asked for his release on grounds that the detention order was unlawful.
Mr Yim argued that Wong's alleged activities were done outside Singapore but the Act applied only to crimes committed within the country.
He contended that Wong's Constitutional rights had been violated because he had not been told the grounds of his detention until 15 days later.
Mr Yim also argued that the detention was unreasonable because witnesses are available to testify against Wong in a proper trial.
'My client is happy to stand trial. He's happy to face charges and if convicted by a court of law... he's happy to serve his sentence,' Mr Yim said on Wednesday.
But the Court of Appeal rejected the arguments on Thursday.
Justice Andrew Phang, delivering the court's decision, agreed with Justice Tan's interpretation of the Act: that the threat to public safety, peace and good order did not necessarily have to result from criminal activities in Singapore.
The court also agreed that the detention order was valid even assuming Wong was not told of the grounds.
Finally, the court found no basis that the minister had exercised his discretion irrationally.
Wong, who is divorced with two children, is allowed to see immediate family members twice a month.
The next review of his detention order is expected to be in July next year.--EOQ
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b. Edmund Wong Sin Yee v Minister of Home Affairs – The applicant was
an alleged narcotics syndicate leader detained under the provisions of
the Criminal Law (Temporary Provisions) Act (Cap. 67). He fi led a
habeas corpus application to challenge his detention and its extension.
The Civil Division was successful in refuting his allegations by showing
that there had been evidence against him to justify his detention,
and that the Government’s decision to detain him was therefore not
unreasonable. In so doing, the Civil Division emphasised that the writ
of habeas corpus existed to allow detainees the opportunity to challenge
the legality of their detention, and was not supposed to be used as a
forum to invite the Courts to substitute the Government’s assessment
of the facts with their own.---EOQpage 14
http://www.agc.gov.sg/aboutus/docs/AGC_Annual_Report_2006-2007.pdf
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In Feb 2008 Appeal to Court of Appeal,lawyers said Wong was more than happy
to be heard in court and let witness to testify!!
Lawyers said Wong was not happy that gavaman detain him without (open )
trial.
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No worry.President looks into each case for long detention!!
CRIMINAL LAW (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) ACT
(CHAPTER 67)
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/
This powerful Temporary laws has helped SG to fight against organised crimes for 50 years,as old as PAP!!Therefore,MP have to renew the act every 5 years.
This Act is just like ISA.Only closed door hearing.u can hire lawyers to help u during hearings.If u are so smart to get rich from crimes,this act can lock u up without open hearing and without witness risks for their lifes.The court can order to seize your assets!!But u can be assured that President of Republic of Singapore will look at each case!! -
Orders to be referred to advisory committee and subject to confirmation by
President
31. —(1) Every order made by the Minister under section 30 shall, together with a written statement of the grounds upon which the Minister made the order, be referred by the Minister to an advisory committee constituted as provided in section 39, within 28 days of the making of the order.(2) The advisory committee shall submit to the
President a written report on the making of the order and
may make therein such recommendations as it shall think fit. (3) The
President shall consider the report
and may cancel or confirm the order and in confirming the order
may make thereto such variations as he thinks fit. @@@@@@@@@@@
Extension of orders
38. —(1) ThePresident may, from time to time, extend the validity of any order
of detention confirmed under section 31 (3) for periods not exceeding
12 months at any one time and may at any time refer any such order
for further consideration by an advisory committee.
(2)
The President may, from time to time,
extend the period for which a person is directed to be under the
supervision of the police by any order confirmed under section 31
(3) and may at any time refer any such order for further consideration
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He's been in trouble before - AUG 1, 2007
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MY Bar assoication also concern this case.
Should Act apply to crimes committed outside S'pore?
www.malaysianbar.org.my/legal/general_news/should_act_apply_to_crimes_committed_outside_s_pore_.html
THE case of Edmund Wong Sin Yee has split views on whether the Criminal Law. ( Temporary Provisions) Act, or CLTPA, applies to crimes committed outside of ...
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Welcome to the lion city, a vibrant and noisy city.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Welcome to the lion city, a vibrant and noisy city.
i am waiting for more to contribute better thread and postings than mine!!
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
i am waiting for more to contribute better thread and postings than mine!!
Hahaha.......Grandiose Delusions.
grandiose: Psychiatry. having an exaggerated belief in one's importance, sometimes reaching delusional proportions, and occurring as a common symptom of mental illnesses, as manic disorder.
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I might have to take the blame for that, Mo. My assertion that his mother blew the dog and shat him out seems to have upset him, and may have driven him over the next cliff.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
your argument is that it does not kill anyone directly. Did my argument include it killing anyone directly? Get a grip on what the debate is about. Is the people high on drugs and jumping out of 20 storey buildings classified as dying from direct consumption of drugs?
Marijuana cost money and is addictive==> people need more of it over time==> you are stupid and cannot do your job properly ifyou are high==> you get fired==> you do harmful things to get money==>you introduce marijuana to other people.
the cycle goes on. Please learn about marijuana before posting. your blind support is making me sick.
Please cite one instance where someone has jumped out of a building because he was stoned. To save you time, you won't, so stop using false happenings from your imagination as fact.
Marijuana is not addictive so people don't need more of it over time. You wouldn't go to work drunk, why would you go to work blazed?
Again you show how little you know about marijuana. Please do some research before continually proving yourself to be an idiot.
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Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:
Please cite one instance where someone has jumped out of a building because he was stoned. To save you time, you won't, so stop using false happenings from your imagination as evidence.
Ok, my ex hub's ex wife jumped out a HDB 5th storey window......reason she was ex of the ex, is because she took up modelling and was hooked up with some trafficker lovers.If you need more, can always provide.
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Oh please.....dont go to work drunk.
You never been at the receiving end for recommding a friend to work in a company and the girl went partying and got to work drunk.
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Marijauna is not additive.
So you watched Harold & Kumar goes to White Castle and then the new one: Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay?
Its hilarious. And its not additive, but look at how anyone does for the high.
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Ok, my ex hub's ex wife jumped out a HDB 5th storey window......reason she was ex of the ex, is because she took up modelling and was hooked up with some trafficker lovers.If you need more, can always provide.
She jumped out a window because she was the ex-wife of your ex-husband because she took up modelling and hooked up with some traffickers? That has absolutely nothing to do with drugs, all you did was somehow tie drugs into the anecdote. Did she jump out the window because she was high? No. I asked for an instance where somebody has jumped out a window because he/she was stoned and you failed to provide one. Like I said about skythewood's claims about marijuana causing people to do things like that, you won't find an instance when that has happened.
If somebody goes to work drunk then he should be prepared to face the consequences of it, if that person gets fired for it would you blame alcohol or the person for getting drunk? Blaming marijuana for causing people to not be able to work is just as stupid as blaming alcohol for someone getting fired for turning up to work drunk.
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You are really trying to push it.
Read properly again before you sprout that bullshit you are insisting is whatever.
Your truth and my truth. You are losing it though.
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Ok. Remember Julia Bohl and her malay boyfriend? The one caught for cannibis in her home?
Remember that before you tell me about drugs & people ok.
At least I knew Julia personally.
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And for that matter YES.
She jumped put of the 5th storey HDB flat with a high on drugs.
Now, you want to provide a incident where you personally knows druggies dont jump?
Or you had rather she jumped from a higher floor to meet your expectation?
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Marijauna is not additive.
So you watched Harold & Kumar goes to White Castle and then the new one: Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay?
Its hilarious. And its not additive, but look at how anyone does for the high.
Ah yes, a Hollywood comedy film is truly solid evidence. Well have you seen Die Hard? It's awesome, look at how police officers can single-handedly take down dozens of terrorists. Have you seen The Curious Case of Benjamin Button? Look at how people how are born backwards and grow younger instead of age normally have such a hard time fitting in with the rest of society, we need the government to spend money on campaigns to encourage tolerance of backwards aging people.