Is Isreal Terrorist ?
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Terrorist also can become statesman. Look at Arafat, Yitzak Rabin of PLO and Haganah respectively. Hell, they even won the Nobel Peace prize.
In the world or realpolitik, anything can happen.
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Stop talking about the Stern Gang. Because in politics sometimes things you cannot do in broad daylight you have to do it with another way. That is the only way to achieve your aim, or the greater cause. Whole lot of other countries also has groups of people like these, and I can't be bothered to give examples. So why is the Stern Gang condemned in this argument? The Hamas are cowards. You can see from their strategy is to fight amongst civilians. When civilians die all these humanitarian sissy groups will make an outcry, thus also perverting the other normal people's views. This is actually to the HAmas advantage, because as you can see, being a corrupted and fanatical group of losers, they don't really give a shit how many of their civilian people dies. To them, their people ain't worth a cent, as opposed to Israelis. So the Israelis should just give the Hamas what they want without any regards. Want to save the PAlestine? COuntries of the UN should just agree to the overthrowing of the Hamas and accede this piece of crap land to whoever wants it. I dont' think the Israelis would really care who the land belongs to, as long as they are not aggravated in the future by those Arabs.
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Originally posted by gackt13:
Because in politics sometimes things you cannot do in broad daylight you have to do it with another way. That is the only way to achieve your aim, or the greater cause.
Whole lot of other countries also has groups of people like these, and I can’t be bothered to give examples. So why is the Stern Gang condemned in this argument?
Well gee, Einstein, why are Palestineans branded as terrosists by a country that was founded through those exact same methods?
Fucked yourself there, didn't you now?
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Originally posted by Don©:
I don't see the same level of "humanitarian outrage" response for the ongoing wars and enthnic cleansing in africa even though it has been going on for decades, killing and displacing millions.
The reason why everybody gives a shlt over tiny gaza strip, cos its upsetting the arabs and the arabs have oil. The last thing you want when there is an economic crisis going is skyrocketing fuel prices. In fact its happening already!
And what has poor african nations got to offer? Their own governments probably spent more troops protecting their gold mines and foreign assets than their own people.
If it hurts so much for any of you, go do something about it. Anything else is just bull
As for the retard who suggested boycotting US and Israeli products, you can start dismantling your computer just about now.
Don maybe u can ask US why they like to support Isreal and not African ?
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seems like big bully...but US kenna cover by their $$$. dun think they can see thru the $$$ :)
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Gedanken, funny how your posts all seem to condemn Israel. The Jews. The way you say everything is like everything the Israelis have done is based on terrorism. A lot of things happens without us ever knowing the real reason behind it. Especially in politics. Stop your crap because you are starting to sound like a fanatical Muslim.
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And for your info... please go read all my posts. I have NEVER said the Palestinians are terrorists. I am only condemning the Hamas on their terrorist and cowardly acts. But I do not agree that Israel are in the wrong, because if the same thing happens to me, I would also retaliate without remorse. SO many people ask why block off the borders into Israel from the Palestinians. Well, ask why Egypt is doing the same thing too? Would you let a potential terrorist threat (people who keeps deny your existence and swearing to eliminate you) have free access into you country? Ever heard of suicide bombers? And why block off food and other neccessities into Gaza since 2007? Well would you have allowed the citizens of your potential threat food and neccessities, knowing full well most would probably have been turned over to the Hamas? THINK!
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Originally posted by gackt13:
All these only began because of the Arabs’ greed of wanting the whole of Middle East to their Islamic people.
All Israel wanted was a place they can call home. How much lands have they acceded to those greedy corrupted Islamic people without putting so much of a fight. And those Arab just kept wanting more and more. Probably until Israel is no more?
When Israel refused to give up anymore of their land the Arabs started to use violence to get what they want. Go take a closer look at the map. Look at how small Israel is in the Middle East.
How can you call them terrorists for protecting their own interests and welfare?
Are you retarded or uneducated? The palestinians have all the right in the world to give israel hell. Israel literally stole their country with US support, kicked them all out, and made them suffer for 60 years.
If the Malaysian army backed by the UN came to Singapore and say they're "looking for a homeland", beat us up, kick us all out to cram in some offshore island, and left us to starve and suffer for 60 years, I'm god damn sure any missiles i get will go flying straight at them.
So if i want my singapore back from these invaders, am i "greedy, corrupted and wanting more and more" ?
You obviously dont even know your history
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Originally posted by gackt13:
And for your info… please go read all my posts. I have NEVER said the Palestinians are terrorists. I am only condemning the Hamas on their terrorist and cowardly acts.
But I do not agree that Israel are in the wrong, because if the same thing happens to me, I would also retaliate without remorse.
SO many people ask why block off the borders into Israel from the Palestinians. Well, ask why Egypt is doing the same thing too? Would you let a potential terrorist threat (people who keeps deny your existence and swearing to eliminate you) have free access into you country? Ever heard of suicide bombers?
And why block off food and other neccessities into Gaza since 2007? Well would you have allowed the citizens of your potential threat food and neccessities, knowing full well most would probably have been turned over to the Hamas?
THINK!
Hmm.
Were all Israelis members of the Stern Gang? Are all Palestineans members of Hamas?
THINK!
Did the Stern Gang use terrorist tactics to push for the formation of Israel? Is Hamas using terrorist tactics to push for the formation of Palestine?
THINK!
Of course I'm condemning Israel - are you too stupid to recognise the possibility that their hands are not entirely lily-white in this matter? They're bitching about someone else doing precisely what they themselves have done in the past, and using it as justification to put another population through the hell that they were put through in World War 2 (which, incidentally, is what they seem to think gives them carte blanche to do what they bloody well please these days). They're a bunch of bloody hypocrites for:
1) Condemning terrorism when their country was founded on terrorism
2) Whining about the Holocaust on one hand and putting the Palestineans through a Holocaust on the otherYour blindness to these two self-evident truths makes you an ignorant mindless Zionist.
And don't be ridiculous. While you ask people to read all of your drivel, you obviously don't take your own advice. Hell, you're almost Israeli in your hypocrisy.
How can I sound like a fanatical Muslim when I have not written a single word in support of them? All I've written about so far is Israel's hypocrisy and the falseness of any of their claims to the moral high ground - I've said nothing in approval of what Hamas or any other Palestineans are doing.
You idiot.
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
Are you retarded or uneducated? The palestinians have all the right in the world to give israel hell. Israel literally stole their country with US support, kicked them all out, and made them suffer for 60 years.
Hey you get your facts right first.
Stole their country?
It was basically a no man's land after the British departure which was fought by the Arab armies and the Israeli resistance like the Haganah, the embrionic of the Israeli army.
In 1948 after the British departure there was no Palestinian movement.....Eqypt, Syria and Jordan were spoiling to get a foothold in the territory. The Jews who felt that they ahd a right to live in safety fought to have a piece of land to call their own.
Only after Egypt, Syria and Jordan lost the 1967 war which gain Israel substantial land that the Palestinian cause came to surface to be used as a political pawn.
The problems of the Palestinian people could have been solved by a day's oil income of the Arab nations. But it wasn't. And the Palestinian people paid the price for it.
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
Are you retarded or uneducated? The palestinians have all the right in the world to give israel hell. Israel literally stole their country with US support, kicked them all out, and made them suffer for 60 years.
If the Malaysian army backed by the UN came to Singapore and say they're "looking for a homeland", beat us up, kick us all out to cram in some offshore island, and left us to starve and suffer for 60 years, I'm god damn sure any missiles i get will go flying straight at them.
So if i want my singapore back from these invaders, am i "greedy, corrupted and wanting more and more" ?
You obviously dont even know your history
So in your theory then - we have to trace back history to see who stole from who ? how far dated back you want to go - yeap right - US - stole land from the indians !!!
Read your damn history !!! It is a piece of no man land - which was given to the jews by the damn british ! Only when the jews population grow the arab became concern. The palestinain lost their land when the arab armies lost their war with isreal !!!
Isreal is already 60 yrs as a nation, you like it or not that the fact , you cannot blindly use history and reverse time. If Hamas or palestinain choice to be so, that their choice. They are the one firing rockets, mortars into isreal !!!
It is like the land next door is sold to your new neighbour !!! But you think that it belong to you, you anger with your neighbour - everyday you throw stone into his house ...!! You not happy you go find the seller? No excuse for you to do terrorist act !!! You keep attacking people, till he come kick your asses. Yeap you damn deserve it. For your family, they got kick too, yes good, for they standby do nothing to stop you !!!
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Originally posted by kira.sg:
The Israelis are fighting terrorist. Terrorist are those that fire rockets into other people territory. I hope that they have T-Virus and drop it into the terror zone. It is better to kill the wrong people than be sorry.
Don’t know why News keeps posting how many children and civilians had died. Why don’t the News posts how cows or sheep killed? Most people think that just because a child stood in front of a cannon, they cannot fire their shells. This is a war, any living things stand in the way, die.
They are fighting terrorist that is what they said, when israel steal the palestine land nobody call them terrorist but when palestine fighting for their right they were label as terrorist. how power is the rocket compare to israel rocket,
Hamas attack rocket to israel ? How can when hamas have only rocket and weapon that can't fight israel weapon. Palestine has seen fighting with israel army by using sling shot with stone. they suffer so long they learn a lesson so i don't believe they attack israel. Israel intention is to weak palestine not as what they say to stop hamas rocket.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Hey you get your facts right first.
Stole their country?
It was basically a no man's land after the British departure which was fought by the Arab armies and the Israeli resistance like the Haganah, the embrionic of the Israeli army.
In 1948 after the British departure there was no Palestinian movement.....Eqypt, Syria and Jordan were spoiling to get a foothold in the territory. The Jews who felt that they ahd a right to live in safety fought to have a piece of land to call their own.
Only after Egypt, Syria and Jordan lost the 1967 war which gain Israel substantial land that the Palestinian cause came to surface to be used as a political pawn.
The problems of the Palestinian people could have been solved by a day's oil income of the Arab nations. But it wasn't. And the Palestinian people paid the price for it.ae
no man land but the main paper stated Palenstine post correct me if i am wrong.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Hey you get your facts right first.
Stole their country?
It was basically a no man's land after the British departure which was fought by the Arab armies and the Israeli resistance like the Haganah, the embrionic of the Israeli army.
In 1948 after the British departure there was no Palestinian movement.....Eqypt, Syria and Jordan were spoiling to get a foothold in the territory. The Jews who felt that they ahd a right to live in safety fought to have a piece of land to call their own.
Only after Egypt, Syria and Jordan lost the 1967 war which gain Israel substantial land that the Palestinian cause came to surface to be used as a political pawn.
The problems of the Palestinian people could have been solved by a day's oil income of the Arab nations. But it wasn't. And the Palestinian people paid the price for it.
You dont need to give me a history lesson, because i can teach it. pre1948 palestine was a british outpost, inhabited by palestinians with a minority jew population. Post ww2, the jews decided the take the land for themselves with mass migrations to palestine. Stern and Haganah were active to combat two factors, british refusal to cooperate with them, and the palestinians. The british actually limited israeli immigration. It was only with US support due to the jewish lobby in the US domestic political arena that Israel came to be. In this sense the palestinians were subjugated by the Jews with US support. Refer to UN resolution 242 where the land was split between the jews and palestinians dejure.
Its very very clear that the Jews walked in the took the land right out of palestinian hands. It was not a no man's land. You're talking so much about post48 palestine. For what? The whole thing originated before 1948. By 1948 the jews already had a foothold, and i maintain, had already stolen the land.
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Originally posted by storywolf:
So in your theory then - we have to trace back history to see who stole from who ? how far dated back you want to go - yeap right - US - stole land from the indians !!!
Read your damn history !!! It is a piece of no man land - which was given to the jews by the damn british ! Only when the jews population grow the arab became concern. The palestinain lost their land when the arab armies lost their war with isreal !!!
Isreal is already 60 yrs as a nation, you like it or not that the fact , you cannot blindly use history and reverse time. If Hamas or palestinain choice to be so, that their choice. They are the one firing rockets, mortars into isreal !!!
It is like the land next door is sold to your new neighbour !!! But you think that it belong to you, you anger with your neighbour - everyday you throw stone into his house ...!! You not happy you go find the seller? No excuse for you to do terrorist act !!! You keep attacking people, till he come kick your asses. Yeap you damn deserve it. For your family, they got kick too, yes good, for they standby do nothing to stop you !!
I cut this page from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England
cause seem people like to say it no man land
About 50,000 Jews served in the British Armed Forces during World War I, and around 10,000 died on the battlefield, while Britain's first all-Jewish regiment, the Jewish Legion fought in Palestine. An important consequence of the war was the British conquest of the Palestinian Mandate, and the Balfour Declaration promising the area to a new Jewish nation.
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II. The Balfour Declaration
The British Foreign Office, November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
"His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
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Signed,
Arthur James Balfour
[Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs]
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Originally posted by storywolf:
So in your theory then - we have to trace back history to see who stole from who ? how far dated back you want to go - yeap right - US - stole land from the indians !!!
Read your damn history !!! It is a piece of no man land - which was given to the jews by the damn british ! Only when the jews population grow the arab became concern. The palestinain lost their land when the arab armies lost their war with isreal !!!
Isreal is already 60 yrs as a nation, you like it or not that the fact , you cannot blindly use history and reverse time. If Hamas or palestinain choice to be so, that their choice. They are the one firing rockets, mortars into isreal !!!
It is like the land next door is sold to your new neighbour !!! But you think that it belong to you, you anger with your neighbour - everyday you throw stone into his house ...!! You not happy you go find the seller? No excuse for you to do terrorist act !!! You keep attacking people, till he come kick your asses. Yeap you damn deserve it. For your family, they got kick too, yes good, for they standby do nothing to stop you !!!
You are the the single most foolish person i have ever come across in a historical debate. Read my damn history? I could teach history. So which children's simplified edition did you get your pathetic knowledge on the arab-palestinian-israeli conflict from?
Study of the modern A-P-I conflict starts from 1945, so dont talk about tracing back cos you obviously know nothing.
stupid statement no.1 : It is a piece of no man land - which was given to the jews by the damn british !
You obviously know nothing about mass jewish immigration after the war ended. The british actually tried to STOP immigration. Only with US support due to the jewish lobby in american politics did Israel manage to exist.
stupid statement no.2 : The palestinain lost their land when the arab armies lost their war with isreal !!!
Ever heard of UN resolution 242? No? your knowledge is pathetic. Palestine was lost to the Jews even before the first AI war even started.
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Get when surfing the net against it stated Palestine (Not a no man land) Mandate for Palestine, Not Mandate for No Man Land
Many seem to confuse the "Mandate for Palestine" [The Trust], with the British Mandate [The Trustee]. The "Mandate for Palestine" is a League of Nations document that laid down the Jewish legal rights in Palestine. The British Mandate, on the other hand, was entrusted by the League of Nations with the responsibility to administrate the area delineated by the "Mandate for Palestine."
Great Britain [i.e., the Mandatory and Trustee] did turn over its responsibility to the United Nations as of May 14, 1948. However, the legal force of the League of Nations’ "Mandate for Palestine" [i.e., The Trust] was not terminated with the end of the British Mandate. Rather, the Trust was transferred over to the United Nations.
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
You dont need to give me a history lesson, because i can teach it. pre1948 palestine was a british outpost, inhabited by palestinians with a minority jew population. Post ww2, the jews decided the take the land for themselves with mass migrations to palestine. Stern and Haganah were active to combat two factors, british refusal to cooperate with them, and the palestinians. The british actually limited israeli immigration. It was only with US support due to the jewish lobby in the US domestic political arena that Israel came to be. In this sense the palestinians were subjugated by the Jews with US support. Refer to UN resolution 242 where the land was split between the jews and palestinians dejure.
Its very very clear that the Jews walked in the took the land right out of palestinian hands. It was not a no man's land. You're talking so much about post48 palestine. For what? The whole thing originated before 1948. By 1948 the jews already had a foothold, and i maintain, had already stolen the land.
Good history lesson.
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Seriously dudes.. why are you guys arguing about history ? About who take over what land or what land don't belong to who ?
Nobody owns the land we live on..yet humans are fighting over lands that never belonged to us since the beginning of time.
Yesterday.. I see muslims families shopping peacefully in the shopping malls.. the women with their burqas and the men wearing western clothings with their face full of beard...they were smiling and their kids were running around happily.
Do you really think they care about HISTORY ?
And dudes.. I'm in USA.
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Sadly, both the Israelis and Palestineans turn to history as justification for whatever crap they're pulling today.
I know, it's a childish case of "but he started it first", but there you have it.
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
You are the the single most foolish person i have ever come across in a historical debate. Read my damn history? I could teach history. So which children's simplified edition did you get your pathetic knowledge on the arab-palestinian-israeli conflict from?
Study of the modern A-P-I conflict starts from 1945, so dont talk about tracing back cos you obviously know nothing.
stupid statement no.1 : It is a piece of no man land - which was given to the jews by the damn british !
You obviously know nothing about mass jewish immigration after the war ended. The british actually tried to STOP immigration. Only with US support due to the jewish lobby in american politics did Israel manage to exist.
stupid statement no.2 : The palestinain lost their land when the arab armies lost their war with isreal !!!
Ever heard of UN resolution 242? No? your knowledge is pathetic. Palestine was lost to the Jews even before the first AI war even started.
It is you who are idot who call other foolish when you do not know your history. What i say is true, you alway quote things after it.
1) Mass jewish immigration after the war end ? Hello read your history !!! Hello the first aliyah began in 1881–82 25,000–35,000 jews, second aliyah - 1904 - 1914 40,000 Jews How can you say immigration after the war end when the 1st Aliyah happen before the war !!! After the war then the 3rd and 4th aliyah
This happen 1st - During World War I, British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour issued what became known as the Balfour Declaration, which "view[ed] with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". After that then in the wake of the Jaffa riots in the early days of the Mandate, the British restricted Jewish immigration. Hello - so what they try to stop it later, but I am right that they are the first to start it.
2)UN resolution 242 ? which come 1st, chicken or the egg ? The palestinain lost their land when the arab armies lost their war with isreal - that is refering to the six day war. The end result after the war is the UN resolution 242 - it is the end product of the six day war moron !! - so what wrong with me saying the six-day war cause the palestinain their land when the end result is the UN resolution 242 .
Please read your history more before you insult people with your limit knowledge. -
Hmmm. interesting.
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I pity Israel not Gaza. Because the Arab world and iran want to destroy Israel. Even the malay and indon hate israel.
But Israel is no pushover, israel has 200 nuclear bomb to fight the arab and iran.
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
You dont need to give me a history lesson, because i can teach it. pre1948 palestine was a british outpost, inhabited by palestinians with a minority jew population. Post ww2, the jews decided the take the land for themselves with mass migrations to palestine. Stern and Haganah were active to combat two factors, british refusal to cooperate with them, and the palestinians. The british actually limited israeli immigration. It was only with US support due to the jewish lobby in the US domestic political arena that Israel came to be. In this sense the palestinians were subjugated by the Jews with US support. Refer to UN resolution 242 where the land was split between the jews and palestinians dejure.
Its very very clear that the Jews walked in the took the land right out of palestinian hands. It was not a no man's land. You're talking so much about post48 palestine. For what? The whole thing originated before 1948. By 1948 the jews already had a foothold, and i maintain, had already stolen the land.
The land belongs to Palestinians but beneath the ground were full of Jewish artifacts?
If the Arabs were the Palestinians, so were the jews who lived there.
The Arabs did not fight hard enough for the land because it was never theirs.
