Alarm Spreads Over Use of Lethal New Weapons
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Amnesty International was very prominent in spreading false rumours(lies) about the Jenin Massacre. Of couse the International media also contributed to the quick spread of the lies.
Even though Amnesty International later admitted that there was no massacre in Jenin, the lie is still being exploited by anti-israel organizations today, even after the truth has been revealed 7 years ago.
The claim that IDF did not carry out war crimes in the Battle of Jenin is only one asserted by Zionist sympathizers. There are numerous eye witness reports that attest to the abuses of human rights by the IDF. If the number of initially reported casualties and the number of bodies found are points of dispute, it should be noted that Erakat has accusations the IDF of coverups and Shimon Peres has been reported by Haaretz to have privately refered to a "massacre". Also, if the difference in casualty numbers can be used to invalidate a claim then I would like to put forward the example of Auschwitz and say that to use that defence is self defeating. Of course, I for one do not deny that Nazi German forces carried out massacres of Jews during WW2.
The controversy surrounding the Battle of Jenin does not detract from the fact that there is irrefutable evidence that IDF under Ariel Sharon carried out the Sabra and Shatila massacre and that members of the Isreali terrorist organizations such as the Stern Gang and Irgun who were also responsible for massacres of Arabs, such as the massacre of Deir Yassin have been elevated to become Isreali leaders. There is even a list of Arab villages that have been "depopulated".
The bloodied hand and the satanic nature of the Occupation cannot be denied.
To claim that Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, UNHCR, B'Tselem, Neturei Karta, Ban Ki Moon, Nelson Mandela, Bishop Desmond Tutu, The Pope, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finklestein are all anti-semitic terrorist sympathizers because of their critique of the actions of Israel is preposterous.
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If we are going go about this, let's pull up the Arab actions during WWII when they aligned themselves with the Nazis and expelled jews from their homes and received arms from the Nazis. Quite frankly, no side in this equation is remotely free of blood and taking sides in this is meaningless as it is stupid. If you cannot emotionally detach yourself from this situation, then don;t and just shut the fuck up.
Using words such as "Satanic" etc. etc. does no more than make you look more like fucking retard which you are from all the posts i have seen made by you. -
The stronger party defines the terms of engagement.
Security can only be bought by establishing pacts of trust and goodwill among all parties of interest. Positive reciprocal actions and dialogue establishes trust and goodwill.
The actions of the IDF in Gaza amounts to war crimes and once more raises the bar for Zionist bad faith, evil intent, satanic calculations and barbaric actions. This is indisputable and the evidence is readily available. If the Zionists are really interested in establish a secure Israel that will become "The Light Unto the Nations", they'd do something else other than increasing the suffering of their captive Palestinian slaves. As it is, the Zionist planners are not interested in getting into God's good book. They are interested in wiping out the Palestinians which they see as obstacles to their establishment of a Greater Israel. Which makes the fools who to try to defend the good name of the Zionists the biggest fucktards in the whole of fucktardom.
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Originally posted by frakfrakfrak:
The claim that IDF did not carry out war crimes in the Battle of Jenin is only one asserted by Zionist sympathizers. There are numerous eye witness reports that attest to the abuses of human rights by the IDF. If the number of initially reported casualties and the number of bodies found are points of dispute, it should be noted that Erakat has accusations the IDF of coverups and Shimon Peres has been reported by Haaretz to have privately refered to a "massacre". Also, if the difference in casualty numbers can be used to invalidate a claim then I would like to put forward the example of Auschwitz and say that to use that defence is self defeating. Of course, I for one do not deny that Nazi German forces carried out massacres of Jews during WW2.
The controversy surrounding the Battle of Jenin does not detract from the fact that there is irrefutable evidence that IDF under Ariel Sharon carried out the Sabra and Shatila massacre and that members of the Isreali terrorist organizations such as the Stern Gang and Irgun who were also responsible for massacres of Arabs, such as the massacre of Deir Yassin have been elevated to become Isreali leaders. There is even a list of Arab villages that have been "depopulated".
The bloodied hand and the satanic nature of the Occupation cannot be denied.
To claim that Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, UNHCR, B'Tselem, Neturei Karta, Ban Ki Moon, Nelson Mandela, Bishop Desmond Tutu, The Pope, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finklestein are all anti-semitic terrorist sympathizers because of their critique of the actions of Israel is preposterous.
HRW, AI, UN all refuted the Palestinian Claims that a Massacre took place in Jenin after a lenghty investigation.
Now you are implying that these NGOs are Zionist sympathizers while they released reports of no Massacre in Jenin, while at the same time claiming that Zionist sympathizers are branding them as anti-semitic terorrist sympathizers because of their critique of the actions of Israel?
You claim there was a massacre of Arabs inDeir Yassin but you exclude the many Arab massacres of Jews before April 1948? See how biased are you against Israel?
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Aiyo you imply I imply things I never imply leh. How come ar? I imply then you imply that I imply but I the things I imply you ignore and you imply I ignore the things you imply then how ar? Aiyo, must go read the manual already how make the "snake bite straw man with forked tongue" move. I only have the Buddha hand manual leh.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
HRW, AI, UN all refuted the Palestinian Claims that a Massacre took place in Jenin after a lenghty investigation.
Now you are implying that these NGOs are Zionist sympathizers while they released reports of no Massacre in Jenin, while at the same time claiming that Zionist sympathizers are branding them as anti-semitic terorrist sympathizers because of their critique of the actions of Israel?
You claim there was a massacre of Arabs inDeir Yassin but you exclude the many Arab massacres of Jews before April 1948? See how biased are you against Israel?
Why the hell are we even discussing this, and why the hell are you even bringing it up when the issue at hand is Israel's invasion of Gaza? Mention anything anti-Israel and you bring up the Jenin Massacre? Thats just like John McCain talking about his POW days whenever anyone talks about his 7 houses.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Is it really 1200 casualties? Is there a confirmation on the Palestinian claims?
You know the "Jenin massacre"? After months of investigation by UN, the Palestinians finally abrogated the figure from 500-800 dead to 56 only, mostly militants.
Has anyone news worthy and an authority on this denied it?
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Originally posted by frakfrakfrak:
Aiyo you imply I imply things I never imply leh. How come ar? I imply then you imply that I imply but I the things I imply you ignore and you imply I ignore the things you imply then how ar? Aiyo, must go read the manual already how make the "snake bite straw man with forked tongue" move. I only have the Buddha hand manual leh.
You are biased against Israel, that's all. Never once mentioned how arabs massacred Jews.
You are not a Buddhist. I have to eliminate your bias. There's always the other side of the story but you've deliberately fail to mention.
Ariel Sharon did not carry out the Sabra and Chatilla massacre as you would like to have the infidels believe but the cowardly assassination of Bachir Gemayel was an event that led to the massacres.
Keep your bias away.
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Why the hell are we even discussing this, and why the hell are you even bringing it up when the issue at hand is Israel's invasion of Gaza? Mention anything anti-Israel and you bring up the Jenin Massacre? Thats just like John McCain talking about his POW days whenever anyone talks about his 7 houses.
why are you not asking your comrade frakfrakfrak?
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Has anyone news worthy and an authority on this denied it?
I expect a rational thinker to verify the claim.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
why are you not asking your comrade frakfrakfrak?
Isnt it simple? Because you were the one who changed the subject by bringing it in.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
I expect a rational thinker to verify the claim.
Well, since its the figure that has come out of Gaza and propagated on the MSM, I would think it is likely to be true. Or unless you want to fall prey to the "conspiracy theorist" accusation. Anyway, if you dont want to accept that fact because of a personal bias, then the burden is on you to prove otherwise.
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Isnt it simple? Because you were the one who changed the subject by bringing it in.
I'm responding to frak's post.
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Well, since its the figure that has come out of Gaza and propagated on the MSM, I would think it is likely to be true. Or unless you want to fall prey to the "conspiracy theorist" accusation. Anyway, if you dont want to accept that fact because of a personal bias, then the burden is on you to prove otherwise.
The onus is on you to prove your bias otherwise. I'm only presenting the other side of your story.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Is it really 1200 casualties? Is there a confirmation on the Palestinian claims?
You know the "Jenin massacre"? After months of investigation by UN, the Palestinians finally abrogated the figure from 500-800 dead to 56 only, mostly militants.
Then what does the Jenin Massacre have to do with the Gaza invasion? Is there a parallel you would like to bring in?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
The onus is on you to prove your bias otherwise. I'm only presenting the other side of your story.
Likewise, but if you want to doubt the death toll, then you'll need more authority than your personal bias.
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It seems that anyone who has a bit of common sense is a Zionist sympathiser. Quick, lets all be dumb or we'll be branded as retarded infidels!
An extremely "lethal" weapons such as a "Flechette round" was fired into civilian crowd from a tank main gun, and results in 2 deaths. Hello?? Something doesn't add up here?
A 40mm HE round would kill more people than that.
Call me a Zionist sympathizer, infidel, whatever you like man. My question is, WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT?
If Israel wanted to level Gaza, it'd be as easy as snapping a finger.
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Then what does the Jenin Massacre have to do with the Gaza invasion? Is there a parallel you would like to bring in?
The casualty numbers are inflated.
Pls read through the history of this thread. You are asking the questions where the answers can be found in the posts in this thread.
I repeat . I present the other side of the story to eliminate bias against Israel. You portray victims as aggressors and aggressors as victims.
I portray aggressors as aggressors and victims have the right to self defense.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
It seems that anyone who has a bit of common sense is a Zionist sympathiser. Quick, lets all be dumb or we'll be branded as retarded infidels!
An extremely "lethal" weapons such as a "Flechette round" was fired into civilian crowd from a tank main gun, and results in 2 deaths. Hello?? Something doesn't add up here?
A 40mm HE round would kill more people than that.
Call me a Zionist sympathizer, infidel, whatever you like man. My question is, WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT?
If Israel wanted to level Gaza, it'd be as easy as snapping a finger.
Isnt Gaza already leveled?
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Likewise, but if you want to doubt the death toll, then you'll need more authority than your personal bias.
The hoax of Jenin was already revealed. It takes time to reveal if Hamas is hiding the truth.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
The casualty numbers are inflated.
Pls read through the history of this thread. You are asking the questions where the answers can be found in the posts in this thread.
I repeat . I present the other side of the story to eliminate bias against Israel. You portray victims as aggressors and aggressors as victims.
I portray aggressors as aggressors and victims have the right to self defense.
By trying to present the other side of the story, dont you become biased for Israel? Likewise, its the same for me. The issue here is that you are denying that 1200 Palestinians died during the Israeli invasion, which when compared to the number of Israelis killed by rocket attacks from Gaza, is a joke, a bad one at that. If you are so uncomfortable with acknowledging that the IDF killed 1200, then show your evidence backing it up.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
The hoax of Jenin was already revealed. It takes time to reveal if Hamas is hiding the truth.
I'm not here to argue about Jenin. This is about the Gaza Invasion. Can't you understand that?
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By the way, this thread is about the inhumane weapons that Israel used. Evidently, you have to resort to ignoring it since you are so uncomfortable with anti-Israel information.
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Originally posted by freedomclub:
Isnt Gaza already leveled?
Hehe, go look for the after effects of an "arc light" bombardment by B-52s. Thats "Leveled!"
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Originally posted by frakfrakfrak:
The stronger party defines the terms of engagement.
Security can only be bought by establishing pacts of trust and goodwill among all parties of interest. Positive reciprocal actions and dialogue establishes trust and goodwill.
The actions of the IDF in Gaza amounts to war crimes and once more raises the bar for Zionist bad faith, evil intent, satanic calculations and barbaric actions. This is indisputable and the evidence is readily available. If the Zionists are really interested in establish a secure Israel that will become "The Light Unto the Nations", they'd do something else other than increasing the suffering of their captive Palestinian slaves. As it is, the Zionist planners are not interested in getting into God's good book. They are interested in wiping out the Palestinians which they see as obstacles to their establishment of a Greater Israel. Which makes the fools who to try to defend the good name of the Zionists the biggest fucktards in the whole of fucktardom.
Oh yeah, Good will. What a funny term. Wait, Hamas' constitutation DEMANDS the destruction of Israel. Yeah, that is really good fucking will there. I'm sorry, you and your friend freedomclub need to go read the proper facts from reputable sources and stop digging your heads deep into the ground and spin crap from God knows where.
Let's also talk about ingrained racism that Hamas spills from its own fucking television station. You don't hear of Amnesty International talking about that don't you? The Television station even had a program showing "Mickey Mouse" teaching children why they should kill Jews! Yeah, that's star quality work. You could probably still find it on Youtube. You can go say so and so about the Israelis, but quite frankly, Hamas is happily delivering people into the carnal house. Why, there was one article where some Hamas militant was glad innocents died. Apparently, the reason was that there were more matryrs. Yeah, really really star quality people we have for palestinians.
