Opposition - Where To?: A public forum 7 Feb 09, Saturday
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Originally posted by Atobe:
"alas.. they had such potential..." ?
Why the expression of disappointment ?
Was the disappointment caused by SDP's success in attracting the PAP's efforts at pulling all stops to knock the wind out of the SDP ?
Or was the disappointment a result of SDP inability to be quietly accomodating to the PAP by being a silent party in Parliament as the WP and SDS ?
What can anyone expect from a Drama Queen who is no better than a whore for all the accusations levelled at Singaporeans more able than his impotent self ?Is it any wonder that 'she' will hide behind the abbreviation "CMI" - when 'she' is no better than the hypocrite of having asked the opposition to "count me in" but has been rejected for being an obvious whore acting for the MIW ?
What else can be expected for one to consistently behaving like an attention whore in seeking to be controversial in the views and opinions towards the opposition ?
It is obvious that the passionate venom spitted at the opposition - and in particular towards those at SDP - must have been a result of having been treated like a whore by the SDP that result in such hatred displayed.
Only a whore will behave like one, and attempt to return the compliment given.
While I do not agree with the criticisms of the SDP and I think it is being singled out for nothing, you haven't really said good things about the SDA and the WP yourself.
In the same vein as you did, I may ask you to find out more about these parties before you go on.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Yes, there is an implication for a coup as there will not be any legal basis for a political change in the future of the next 2 weeks. You and Andrew were arguing for a change in the immediate future even by violent means as any political social action would not be liable for a legal change of government.
This thread was hijacked by the pro-CSJ supporters instead of airing any views by the political alternatives. CSJ is part of the political alternative but does not represent all the alternative views. It is sad to see that CSJ has such immature supporters who cannot abide by the rule of law.
Was there any implication of a coup in my responses ?
You continue to amaze me with your reading abilities, and with your indulgence in pure speculation.
How did you conclude that there is a call of "a political change in the future of the next 2 weeks" ?
How did you so brilliant find new meanings to the words of this thread - "Opposition : where to ?" - into a call for a coup ?
Do you know what it takes for a coup to happen ?
Are you suggesting that the leadership corp from the SAF - or the Police Force - are collaborating with the Opposition Parties to effect a coup on the PAP led government ?
These past exchages have clearly exposed the shallowness in your political thinking.
It has become a painful exercise to debunk one with such shallow thinking who will dare to critique other Singaporeans who have taken up the thankless tasks to challenge the idiocy that the PAP leadership throw at Singaporeans.
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Originally posted by drakxen:
While I do not agree with the criticisms of the SDP and I think it is being singled out for nothing, you haven't really said good things about the SDA and the WP yourself.
In the same vein as you did, I may ask you to find out more about these parties before you go on.
Is there a need to say anything - good or bad - about the SDA and WP, when no had raised any issues about them in this thread ?
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Is there a need to say anything - good or bad - about the SDA and WP, when no had raised any issues about them in this thread ?
Exactly. Only you mentioned WP and SDA twice, while no one else mentioned.
"Or was the disappointment a result of SDP inability to be quietly accomodating to the PAP by being a silent party in Parliament as the WP and SDS ?"
"CSJ and the SDP will be a credible and formidable force - as they are willing to challenge the PAP on various issues, compared to the WP and SDA."You have the right to your opinion of the WP/SDA as much as others have the right to their opinion of the SDP. But when you say people who criticize the SDP has to find out more, read Chee's books, I find that unfair.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Was there any implication of a coup in my responses ?
You continue to amaze me with your reading abilities, and with your indulgence in pure speculation.
How did you conclude that there is a call of "a political change in the future of the next 2 weeks" ?
How did you so brilliant find new meanings to the words of this thread - "Opposition : where to ?" - into a call for a coup ?
Do you know what it takes for a coup to happen ?
Are you suggesting that the leadership corp from the SAF - or the Police Force - are collaborating with the Opposition Parties to effect a coup on the PAP led government ?
These past exchages have clearly exposed the shallowness in your political thinking.
It has become a painful exercise to debunk one with such shallow thinking who will dare to critique other Singaporeans who have taken up the thankless tasks to challenge the idiocy that the PAP leadership throw at Singaporeans.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:showYou have a fallacy. You think that the "solution" is with someone, some-party, some genius. I have news for you. The "solution" is with the people acting with freedom to do their thing without dishonorable despots (or Dr Chee) interfering and taking away resources that are needed to build up the country through their HDebtBoard, ERP, COE and what not.
Isn't Andrew requesting for a coup similar to the Phillipines People's Power? You, atobe, has been singing along with Andrew's plans of creating a popular coup under CSJ.
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when the time's up,all will go to heaven.
i will go to hell.see u.
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Originally posted by drakxen:
Is there a need to say anything - good or bad - about the SDA and WP, when no had raised any issues about them in this thread ?
Exactly. Only you mentioned WP and SDA twice, while no one else mentioned.
"Or was the disappointment a result of SDP inability to be quietly accomodating to the PAP by being a silent party in Parliament as the WP and SDS ?"
"CSJ and the SDP will be a credible and formidable force - as they are willing to challenge the PAP on various issues, compared to the WP and SDA."You have the right to your opinion of the WP/SDA as much as others have the right to their opinion of the SDP. But when you say people who criticize the SDP has to find out more, read Chee's books, I find that unfair.
Was the mentioning of the WP and SDA in passing of any consequence ?The statements made are statement of fact, unlike the many frivolously derogatory statements made about CSJ and the SDP in this and other threads - which were based on unsubstantiated speculations and erroneous interpretation of facts.
Those whom I have challenged on their statements - that continued to propagate a lie first planted by LKY and the PAP - had preferrred to hold their tongue.
If you have any issue with those two paragraphs stated, I will welcome a debate with you concerning the performance of the WP and SDA - (and their effectiveness at raising political consciousness) - at the National Level.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
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You have a fallacy. You think that the "solution" is with someone, some-party, some genius. I have news for you. The "solution" is with the people acting with freedom to do their thing without dishonorable despots (or Dr Chee) interfering and taking away resources that are needed to build up the country through their HDebtBoard, ERP, COE and what not.
Isn't Andrew requesting for a coup similar to the Phillipines People's Power? You, atobe, has been singing along with Andrew's plans of creating a popular coup under CSJ.
You have again reinforce the stated fact that your reading ability is not impressive.Can your erroneious interpretation - of what you have purported to be written by AndrewPKYap - be attributable to him ?
Should you not take responsibility for your own preferred conclusions - which was seriously off-tangent from his intention - instead of blaming it on others ?
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" You have a fallacy. You think that the "solution" is with someone, some-party, some genius. I have news for you. The "solution" is with the people acting with freedom to do their thing without dishonorable despots (or Dr Chee) interfering and taking away resources that are needed to build up the country through their HDebtBoard, ERP, COE and what not. "
If you care to read again the underlined paragraph - he mentioned that THE SOLUTION is with the people acting with freedom WITHOUT the dishonorable despots OR Dr Chee......
If the Solution is with the people acting with freedom to do their thing - which does NOT involve the Despots or Dr Chee - how did you so brilliantly read that the Philippines People's Power revolution is called to be led by Dr Chee ?
You have not proven anything from AndrewPKYap responses, or from any clear statement from my responses to confirm your brilliant speculation to be correct.
If at all, it confirms your own dependence on the worn out idea of 'anarchy', 'chaos', 'instability', 'economic degradation' - all part of the cunning scare tactic that was first propagated by LKY simply to keep his own political position intact.
You have done Singaporeans a disservice by perpetuating a lie.
Note:
Have you read the following thread ?
‘Misconception about the Singapore Democrats – Poh Ah Pak’
See you over at this thread if you still want to argue about CSJ leading a People's Power Revolution outside the legal framework.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
when the time's up,all will go to heaven.
i will go to hell.see u.
If you think you can find solace or sympathy in this thread to all the noise you have been making - after being beaten blue by everyone in your thread - ‘Racist Gopalan Nair withdraw apology & vowed to fight LKY’ - you got to behave yourself and stop being a 'noisy pussy'.With the efforts that you have made to perpetuate the lies propagated by the MIW - all the whiteness will not place you anywhere further from Hell.
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Forum: Opposition needs to come together
Singapore Democrats
A common manifesto, a common website and common activities. These were some of the ideas that were floated at the public forum held yesterday at the Copthorne Orchid Hotel. A panel of nine speakers took to the microphone and called for greater cooperation among the opposition parties.Ranging from political party representatives to civil society actors and bloggers, the speakers grappled with the idea of opposition unity in a political environment dominated by the PAP.
Ng Teck Siong
The presentations started off with the political parties. The chairman of the Reform Party, Mr Ng Teck Siong, established by the late J B Jeyaretnam, branded the system in Singapore as totalitarian and mooted the idea of a common manifesto for the opposition.
Mr Sin Kek Tong took a swipe at the GRC system and labelled it a "Group Representation Conspiracy". The chairman of the Singapore People's Party said that apart from the opposition parties, civil society and the blogging community must share responsibility in helping to build up an opposition to the PAP.
Singapore Democrats chair, Mr Gandhi Ambalam, talked about the dictatorial system of the PAP and urged opposition to work closer together.
Sin Kek Tong
"Can we do a 'Malaysia'?" asked Mr Jufrie Mahmood, referring to the unprecedented gains the Malaysian opposition made in the 2008 elections. He cited that parties as diverse as the Islamic PAS and the Chinese-based DAP had come together to offer the people an alternative platform.
"Why can't we in Singapore do likewise?" he asked.
Lawyer and activist, Mr Chia Ti Lik spoke next and said that opposition cooperation must lead to a more assertive alternative to the PAP. But he warned that when parties come together, there is a danger of collective inactiviity.
Ng E-Jay
Blogger Mr Ng E-jay pointed out that the blogging community should think of ways to make their views avaliable to the mainstream public as the mass media were still very much in the hands of the PAP.
The youngest speaker in the panel, Mr Seelan Palay, said that he would mobilise the youth in Singapore and work towards democracy: "That's our promise to the opposition."
He added: "What we want is for the opposition to promise that it will be more cohesive and focus on the common enemy."
Seelan Palay
Financial activist Mr Tan Kin Lian said that it was important for the opposition to adopt a common set of values based on honesty and accountability, justice and fairness, a commitment to work for the people instead of for ourselves, and an attitude to be positive and constructive.
He added that the opposition should focus on educating the public about their rights and responsibilities as citizens, as well as the goals and alternatives of the opposition.
The last speaker was Dr Wong Wee Nam who stood for elections under the National Solidarity Party in 1997. He said that Singapore's politics comprised of "one loud voice and many squeaks." He echoed the view that fragmented groups cannot give rise to unity and urged opposition parties and NGOs to form a united front.
"If you come together, you do Singapore a great service. But if you keep separate, then you will not be of service to anyone," said Dr Wong.
Tan Kin Lian
Following a short break, the session resumed with Q&A. Most of the comments expressed the need for greater unity amongst the opposition components. Mr Ramli wanted to know how news about the opposition could reach people like him and his friends who did not have ready access to the Internet.
With limited resources and little access to the mass media, this problem continues to plague the opposition in Singapore, Mr Jufrie responded, adding: "I should do more to get down to the void decks and engage our youths."
Another questioner wanted to know how we could eradicate the fear among Singaporeans for voting for the opposition.
Wong Wee Nam
Dr Wong acknowledged that fear was still a problem and said that it lay with the serial numbers appearing on voting slips. He recounted how a young professional couple had told him that they had intended to vote for him in 1997 but balked at the last minute when their names were read out at the polling booth. He called on Singaporeans to overcome that fear.
One floor member drew applause when he said that he could have emigrated but chose to stay because he wanted to see democracy come to Singapore: "I want to see the end of the authoritarian system here and we should all do our part."
The approximately 100 people who attended the forum were obviously keen to see greater cooperation among the opposition parties. The discussion was the first of its kind but it should not be the last.
Read additional reports and analysis at Yawning Bread and Wayang Party Club and its videos. Also read the following post on this website It's A Good Start. See more photos of this public forum here -
Originally posted by Atobe:
If you think you can find solace or sympathy in this thread to all the noise you have been making - after being beaten blue by everyone in your thread - ‘Racist Gopalan Nair withdraw apology & vowed to fight LKY’ - you got to behave yourself and stop being a 'noisy pussy'.With the efforts that you have made to perpetuate the lies propagated by the MIW - all the whiteness will not place you anywhere further from Hell.
Ha ha ha
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Forum: Opposition needs to come together
Singapore Democrats
A common manifesto, a common website and common activities. These were some of the ideas that were floated at the public forum held yesterday at the Copthorne Orchid Hotel. A panel of nine speakers took to the microphone and called for greater cooperation among the opposition parties.Ranging from political party representatives to civil society actors and bloggers, the speakers grappled with the idea of opposition unity in a political environment dominated by the PAP.
Ng Teck Siong
The presentations started off with the political parties. The chairman of the Reform Party, Mr Ng Teck Siong, established by the late J B Jeyaretnam, branded the system in Singapore as totalitarian and mooted the idea of a common manifesto for the opposition.
Mr Sin Kek Tong took a swipe at the GRC system and labelled it a "Group Representation Conspiracy". The chairman of the Singapore People's Party said that apart from the opposition parties, civil society and the blogging community must share responsibility in helping to build up an opposition to the PAP.
Singapore Democrats chair, Mr Gandhi Ambalam, talked about the dictatorial system of the PAP and urged opposition to work closer together.
Sin Kek Tong
"Can we do a 'Malaysia'?" asked Mr Jufrie Mahmood, referring to the unprecedented gains the Malaysian opposition made in the 2008 elections. He cited that parties as diverse as the Islamic PAS and the Chinese-based DAP had come together to offer the people an alternative platform.
"Why can't we in Singapore do likewise?" he asked.
Lawyer and activist, Mr Chia Ti Lik spoke next and said that opposition cooperation must lead to a more assertive alternative to the PAP. But he warned that when parties come together, there is a danger of collective inactiviity.
Ng E-Jay
Blogger Mr Ng E-jay pointed out that the blogging community should think of ways to make their views avaliable to the mainstream public as the mass media were still very much in the hands of the PAP.
The youngest speaker in the panel, Mr Seelan Palay, said that he would mobilise the youth in Singapore and work towards democracy: "That's our promise to the opposition."
He added: "What we want is for the opposition to promise that it will be more cohesive and focus on the common enemy."
Seelan Palay
Financial activist Mr Tan Kin Lian said that it was important for the opposition to adopt a common set of values based on honesty and accountability, justice and fairness, a commitment to work for the people instead of for ourselves, and an attitude to be positive and constructive.
He added that the opposition should focus on educating the public about their rights and responsibilities as citizens, as well as the goals and alternatives of the opposition.
The last speaker was Dr Wong Wee Nam who stood for elections under the National Solidarity Party in 1997. He said that Singapore's politics comprised of "one loud voice and many squeaks." He echoed the view that fragmented groups cannot give rise to unity and urged opposition parties and NGOs to form a united front.
"If you come together, you do Singapore a great service. But if you keep separate, then you will not be of service to anyone," said Dr Wong.
Tan Kin Lian
Following a short break, the session resumed with Q&A. Most of the comments expressed the need for greater unity amongst the opposition components. Mr Ramli wanted to know how news about the opposition could reach people like him and his friends who did not have ready access to the Internet.
With limited resources and little access to the mass media, this problem continues to plague the opposition in Singapore, Mr Jufrie responded, adding: "I should do more to get down to the void decks and engage our youths."
Another questioner wanted to know how we could eradicate the fear among Singaporeans for voting for the opposition.
Wong Wee Nam
Dr Wong acknowledged that fear was still a problem and said that it lay with the serial numbers appearing on voting slips. He recounted how a young professional couple had told him that they had intended to vote for him in 1997 but balked at the last minute when their names were read out at the polling booth. He called on Singaporeans to overcome that fear.
One floor member drew applause when he said that he could have emigrated but chose to stay because he wanted to see democracy come to Singapore: "I want to see the end of the authoritarian system here and we should all do our part."
The approximately 100 people who attended the forum were obviously keen to see greater cooperation among the opposition parties. The discussion was the first of its kind but it should not be the last.
Read additional reports and analysis at Yawning Bread and Wayang Party Club and its videos. Also read the following post on this website It's A Good Start. See more photos of this public forum hereYes, I concur that opps should come together, come together often.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Forum: Opposition needs to come together
Singapore Democrats
A common manifesto, a common website and common activities. These were some of the ideas that were floated at the public forum held yesterday at the Copthorne Orchid Hotel. A panel of nine speakers took to the microphone and called for greater cooperation among the opposition parties.Ranging from political party representatives to civil society actors and bloggers, the speakers grappled with the idea of opposition unity in a political environment dominated by the PAP.
Ng Teck Siong
The presentations started off with the political parties. The chairman of the Reform Party, Mr Ng Teck Siong, established by the late J B Jeyaretnam, branded the system in Singapore as totalitarian and mooted the idea of a common manifesto for the opposition.
Mr Sin Kek Tong took a swipe at the GRC system and labelled it a "Group Representation Conspiracy". The chairman of the Singapore People's Party said that apart from the opposition parties, civil society and the blogging community must share responsibility in helping to build up an opposition to the PAP.
Singapore Democrats chair, Mr Gandhi Ambalam, talked about the dictatorial system of the PAP and urged opposition to work closer together.
Sin Kek Tong
"Can we do a 'Malaysia'?" asked Mr Jufrie Mahmood, referring to the unprecedented gains the Malaysian opposition made in the 2008 elections. He cited that parties as diverse as the Islamic PAS and the Chinese-based DAP had come together to offer the people an alternative platform.
"Why can't we in Singapore do likewise?" he asked.
Lawyer and activist, Mr Chia Ti Lik spoke next and said that opposition cooperation must lead to a more assertive alternative to the PAP. But he warned that when parties come together, there is a danger of collective inactiviity.
Ng E-Jay
Blogger Mr Ng E-jay pointed out that the blogging community should think of ways to make their views avaliable to the mainstream public as the mass media were still very much in the hands of the PAP.
The youngest speaker in the panel, Mr Seelan Palay, said that he would mobilise the youth in Singapore and work towards democracy: "That's our promise to the opposition."
He added: "What we want is for the opposition to promise that it will be more cohesive and focus on the common enemy."
Seelan Palay
Financial activist Mr Tan Kin Lian said that it was important for the opposition to adopt a common set of values based on honesty and accountability, justice and fairness, a commitment to work for the people instead of for ourselves, and an attitude to be positive and constructive.
He added that the opposition should focus on educating the public about their rights and responsibilities as citizens, as well as the goals and alternatives of the opposition.
The last speaker was Dr Wong Wee Nam who stood for elections under the National Solidarity Party in 1997. He said that Singapore's politics comprised of "one loud voice and many squeaks." He echoed the view that fragmented groups cannot give rise to unity and urged opposition parties and NGOs to form a united front.
"If you come together, you do Singapore a great service. But if you keep separate, then you will not be of service to anyone," said Dr Wong.
Tan Kin Lian
Following a short break, the session resumed with Q&A. Most of the comments expressed the need for greater unity amongst the opposition components. Mr Ramli wanted to know how news about the opposition could reach people like him and his friends who did not have ready access to the Internet.
With limited resources and little access to the mass media, this problem continues to plague the opposition in Singapore, Mr Jufrie responded, adding: "I should do more to get down to the void decks and engage our youths."
Another questioner wanted to know how we could eradicate the fear among Singaporeans for voting for the opposition.
Wong Wee Nam
Dr Wong acknowledged that fear was still a problem and said that it lay with the serial numbers appearing on voting slips. He recounted how a young professional couple had told him that they had intended to vote for him in 1997 but balked at the last minute when their names were read out at the polling booth. He called on Singaporeans to overcome that fear.
One floor member drew applause when he said that he could have emigrated but chose to stay because he wanted to see democracy come to Singapore: "I want to see the end of the authoritarian system here and we should all do our part."
The approximately 100 people who attended the forum were obviously keen to see greater cooperation among the opposition parties. The discussion was the first of its kind but it should not be the last.
Read additional reports and analysis at Yawning Bread and Wayang Party Club and its videos. Also read the following post on this website It's A Good Start. See more photos of this public forum here
Wah! so grand!!!,,,...got buffet lunch and dinner too hor..the next thing i guess will be the hotel management getting a final warning from the govt environment officers -
Originally posted by Atobe:
Was there any implication of a coup in my responses ?
You continue to amaze me with your reading abilities, and with your indulgence in pure speculation.
How did you conclude that there is a call of "a political change in the future of the next 2 weeks" ?
How did you so brilliant find new meanings to the words of this thread - "Opposition : where to ?" - into a call for a coup ?
Do you know what it takes for a coup to happen ?
Are you suggesting that the leadership corp from the SAF - or the Police Force - are collaborating with the Opposition Parties to effect a coup on the PAP led government ?
These past exchages have clearly exposed the shallowness in your political thinking.
It has become a painful exercise to debunk one with such shallow thinking who will dare to critique other Singaporeans who have taken up the thankless tasks to challenge the idiocy that the PAP leadership throw at Singaporeans.
Yes, there is an implication of provocation of the public to execute a coup. You asked me whether do I agree there must be a change of power now which usually means within the next 2 weeks. The only instrument capable of making such a sudden drastic change is the coup.
I am not talking about you inciting a military coup, just a similar popular coup like the Philipines "People's Power" coup would be enough to destabilize the government.
I am merely stating that Dr CSJ should never be allowed to step into seat of power due to his lack of planning and constant inability stop reckless political agitation. I support another alternative political party to take over the PAP but SDP is not shorlisted as a capable candidate.
It is your shallow intellect and inability to process basic simple English that is preventing you from answering like a normal human being, please refrain from answering my statements. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
Was the mentioning of the WP and SDA in passing of any consequence ?The statements made are statement of fact, unlike the many frivolously derogatory statements made about CSJ and the SDP in this and other threads - which were based on unsubstantiated speculations and erroneous interpretation of facts.
Those whom I have challenged on their statements - that continued to propagate a lie first planted by LKY and the PAP - had preferrred to hold their tongue.
If you have any issue with those two paragraphs stated, I will welcome a debate with you concerning the performance of the WP and SDA - (and their effectiveness at raising political consciousness) - at the National Level.
Raising political conciousness or national responsibility? No use talking of conciousness in politics without taking responsibility into account. If a leader can only bring up problem areas without coming up with a solution, that will only end in anarchy.
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I was unable to make it to the event due to training clashes. =( I wonder what will be the outcome of such an event?
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Yes, there is an implication of provocation of the public to execute a coup. You asked me whether do I agree there must be a change of power now which usually means within the next 2 weeks. The only instrument capable of making such a sudden drastic change is the coup.
I am not talking about you inciting a military coup, just a similar popular coup like the Philipines "People's Power" coup would be enough to destabilize the government.
I am merely stating that Dr CSJ should never be allowed to step into seat of power due to his lack of planning and constant inability stop reckless political agitation. I support another alternative political party to take over the PAP but SDP is not shorlisted as a capable candidate.
It is your shallow intellect and inability to process basic simple English that is preventing you from answering like a normal human being, please refrain from answering my statements.With your reading and comprehension abilitity as bad as your poor attempt at being insolent - can you be good at anything ?
Across two pages of this thread, you have been repeatedly trounced from one topic to another, and with the topics avoided again after these had exposed the shallow depths of intellect - can we rely on your return efforts ?
Certainly you will plead for me not to make a reply so as to leave you with some valuable face.
Is face more important than the truth the you continue to smirch with your ignorance ?
Can the 'People's Power' succeed in the Philippines if the Philippine Military did not lend their support to the Filippino Citizens that rose against President Marco ?
Considering the ignorance and and insolence that you have dared to put up despite continuously being debunked - is your opinion of Dr Chee's position of any value ?
Are you fit even to hold a candle for anyone ?
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Raising political conciousness or national responsibility? No use talking of conciousness in politics without taking responsibility into account. If a leader can only bring up problem areas without coming up with a solution, that will only end in anarchy.
Can you take responsibility for your own words ?Are you even concious of what you have written, or have you preferred to avoid taking responsibility for what has been clearly exposed as fallacy for what you have been propagating - by avoiding to give any replies, and coming up with new insolence ?
Do you even know what "political conciousness" means, or are you afraid of the conciousness with your continuous bankrupt intellect by repeatedly depending on your concept of "anarchy" caused by "political conciousness" ?
Has the present leadership come up with a solution - after identifying the problem areas that caused our economic recessions in 1987, 1997, 2004 and the continous slide since 2007 ?
Perhaps you are afraid that political conciousness will awaken Singaporeans to the weaknesses of the present political leadership that has been in political monopoly for too long, and is showing the decadence due to weakness from inbreeding.
Resulting in a new breed of self-acclaimed political talents bred in an exclusive elitist environment never facing more challenges than the threat of losing their position and grace from the POWER of ONE.
This is the anarchy that Singaporeans should be afraid of - the implosion of the monopolistic political structure that has been purposefully created by the POWER of ONE, without any established democratic institutions that will allow a transfer of power that will provide security to Singaporeans.
Unfortunately, in your state of self-indulgent political ignorance, can you even begin to fathom the political dangers that Singapore is heading under the present leadership ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
With your reading and comprehension abilitity as bad as your poor attempt at being insolent - can you be good at anything ?
Across two pages of this thread, you have been repeatedly trounced from one topic to another, and with the topics avoided again after these had exposed the shallow depths of intellect - can we rely on your return efforts ?
Certainly you will plead for me not to make a reply so as to leave you with some valuable face.
Is face more important than the truth the you continue to smirch with your ignorance ?
Can the 'People's Power' succeed in the Philippines if the Philippine Military did not lend their support to the Filippino Citizens that rose against President Marco ?
Considering the ignorance and and insolence that you have dared to put up despite continuously being debunked - is your opinion of Dr Chee's position of any value ?
Are you fit even to hold a candle for anyone ?
"People's Power" succeeded because of the people, not the military nor the police. The commanders of both the military and police had no choice but to respond alongside the people.
My opinions are just simply stating the truth that Dr Chee cannot and must not be given any political power.
I wonder if you are capable of having any political responsibility.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Just plugging more information for the module on Singapore politics and governance this semester i guess?
I think it might come in helpful.
Government and Politics of Singapore at NUS?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Can you take responsibility for your own words ?Are you even concious of what you have written, or have you preferred to avoid taking responsibility for what has been clearly exposed as fallacy for what you have been propagating - by avoiding to give any replies, and coming up with new insolence ?
Do you even know what "political conciousness" means, or are you afraid of the conciousness with your continuous bankrupt intellect by repeatedly depending on your concept of "anarchy" caused by "political conciousness" ?
Has the present leadership come up with a solution - after identifying the problem areas that caused our economic recessions in 1987, 1997, 2004 and the continous slide since 2007 ?
Perhaps you are afraid that political conciousness will awaken Singaporeans to the weaknesses of the present political leadership that has been in political monopoly for too long, and is showing the decadence due to weakness from inbreeding.
Resulting in a new breed of self-acclaimed political talents bred in an exclusive elitist environment never facing more challenges than the threat of losing their position and grace from the POWER of ONE.
This is the anarchy that Singaporeans should be afraid of - the implosion of the monopolistic political structure that has been purposefully created by the POWER of ONE, without any established democratic institutions that will allow a transfer of power that will provide security to Singaporeans.
Unfortunately, in your state of self-indulgent political ignorance, can you even begin to fathom the political dangers that Singapore is heading under the present leadership ?
Which farking eye are your reading from? I have said there are alternative parties better suited to taking power than the SDP and will definitely be a viable and strong contender against the present government.
The anarchy all Singaporeans are afraid of is that if CSJ ever comes to power, he would want to create a white paper on all public spending including intsec and exsec intel budgets. Dr CSJ in his single minded purpose of trying to expose corruption and cronism would expose all our security measures to the whole wide world.
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hmm...which part of the world on this planet is clean , free from correuption?
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Originally posted by Daddy!!:
hmm...which part of the world on this planet is clean , free from correuption?
toilet bowl -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
"People's Power" succeeded because of the people, not the military nor the police. The commanders of both the military and police had no choice but to respond alongside the people.
My opinions are just simply stating the truth that Dr Chee cannot and must not be given any political power.
I wonder if you are capable of having any political responsibility.
Did the "People's Power" succeed at Tian An Men ?Did the "People's Power" succeed in Zimbabwe ?
Did the "People's Power" succeed in Columbia ?
If the Military or the Police do not take sides, do you think that the "People's Power" can succeed ?
Is your opinion of any value when it is so easily debunked ?
Have you ever considered your own responsibility towards society before you continue wondering about others.
For the sake of safety for others, can you think responsibly when you think you can fly before you even recognise that you are meant to crawl ?
You are a pathetic joke to make any remarks about Dr Chee, when your credentials are obviously less worthy - considering the quality of your thought process that you put on display in this Speaker's Corner.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Which farking eye are your reading from? I have said there are alternative parties better suited to taking power than the SDP and will definitely be a viable and strong contender against the present government.
The anarchy all Singaporeans are afraid of is that if CSJ ever comes to power, he would want to create a white paper on all public spending including intsec and exsec intel budgets. Dr CSJ in his single minded purpose of trying to expose corruption and cronism would expose all our security measures to the whole wide world.
Have you decided so quickly that there are alternative parties better suited to taking power - when in Page 2 you did mention that the present Government is not the best, and that there are no alternative parties worthy to take power ?Your brains must have been skewed by the constant pressures as you continue to find solace with your verbal garbage.
Are you qualified to know what "all Singaporeans are afraid of" ?
As matters stand, Singaporeans will surely be interested to know what are the skeletons that LKY and his government have been hiding over the past 40 odd years that motivate them to monopolising political power at all costs.
Only you will pretend to hide behind the bankrupt idea of anarchy - hide behind the worn out excuse of exposing security to the world - simply to prevent the truth from being told.
Do you have anything original from your skewed brains, or are you trained as a parrot to repeat what has been taught to say without any thoughts ?
Are you seriously interested in the truth or simply paying lip service to this thought while finding ways to protect LKY and his government ?
Are you not interested to know how much of our Reserves have been mismanaged and lost under the watch of LKY and his appointees, or are you simply to afraid of people being disgusted with you and those that you worshipped as idols ?
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