Stability is needed so agitation movements are a no-no.
But PAP agitates me with their rubbish policies.
How?
So, should I go and eat frozen meat now, according to PAP propaganda?
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:But PAP agitates me with their rubbish policies.
How?
You want to organise a protest and demostration against it?(Quite difficult and illegal to do.) Or just remember to bring it up in the next election and tell the public what the alternative party plans to do if such a scenario pops up? Of course, the alternatives better have a even better economic plan than the guys in white who can't dance.
Or just remember to bring it up in the next election and tell the public what the alternative party plans to do if such a scenario pops up?
Die liao lah, how to challenge PAP regime like that?
Everything wait wait wait.
China still under Qing dynasty; everything wait wait wait.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Die liao lah, how to challenge PAP regime like that?
Everything wait wait wait.
China still under Qing dynasty; everything wait wait wait.
See if you want a military coup or not, fastest way to get people out of power. Of course, there's no gurantee that the next government is democratic.
FUCK YOU PAP MOTHER FUCKERS.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:FUCK YOU PAP MOTHER FUCKERS.
You can spew vulgarity but the guys in white who can't dance are not hurt by it. In fact, you are supplying them ammunition for court motions. Getting the gorrillas in white out of power do hurt them much better especially if it's a legal way of doing so.
Not that I want to hurl abuse at PAP regime, but no choice, have to release the hatred, frustration and resentment against them somehow. So please tolong tolong bear with me.
No good to bottle up the ill feelings against the fucking PAP inside your body.
This type of bastard such as PAP, they fucking die or get beaten to death also nobody fucking care.
Only know how to suck the blood of the people.
You die also no one care one lah Lee Kuan Yew.
You think got people go and cry for you?
Dream on lah.
But I will go and burn some hell notes for you.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Not that I want to hurl abuse at PAP regime, but no choice, have to release the hatred, frustration and resentment against them somehow. So please tolong tolong bear with me.
No good to bottle up the ill feelings against the fucking PAP inside your body.
If we want them out, we need to do some fact-finding.
What Singaporeans want in the powers that be that needs changing and what needs to be kept?
Diplomatic policy is still keepable, at least for the next half-century.
The experimentation red-tape needs to go out the window and opening of new industries are needed. Even if the new industries go agains the general sentiments of Singaporeans who are religious.
No need think so much.
Just vote for opposition and tell PAP to go fuck off.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:No need think so much.
Just vote for opposition and tell PAP to go fuck off.
Not every party is worth voting for, there must be a choice made. If we vote in a party that is as bad as the present, why bother to make a change?
If we vote in a party that is as bad as the present, why bother to make a change?
Hello, we are talking about end of PAP rule here.
End of PAP fucking rule.
That is change of regime in 50 fucking years.
Other countries, 5 years, 4 years can change regime, we 50 years still same fucker.
Why bother to make fucking change.
You come and fucking tell me lah.
Just like so many people here who love to resort to vulgarities, will doing that change the powerless person that you are?
Will venting your anger on the PAP or on someone here change the powerless you who is dependent on this system to survive?
So how?
Think of a way to obtain power, become independent of the system.
Of course, thats just my definition of power and a personal goal.
I don't seek power, I just want someone to die that's all.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Hello, we are talking about end of PAP rule here.
End of PAP fucking rule.
That is change of regime in 50 fucking years.
Other countries, 5 years, 4 years can change regime, we 50 years still same fucker.
Why bother to make fucking change.
You come and fucking tell me lah.
Yes, if the new incoming party is as bad as the present government, I must really ask you why bother to make the change? The correct way is when the voters know that the incoming party can and will make the changes. Wait 50 or 60 years, end up with a power change but yet with no difference in the system. You come and tell me lah.
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Yes, if the new incoming party is as bad as the present government, I must really ask you why bother to make the change? The correct way is when the voters know that the incoming party can and will make the changes. Wait 50 or 60 years, end up with a power change but yet with no difference in the system. You come and tell me lah.
Considering what happens next always seemed to be lacking in the logic.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:I don't seek power, I just want someone to die that's all.
You don't need someone to die, you need someone to get out of the seat of power.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Hello, we are talking about end of PAP rule here.
End of PAP fucking rule.
That is change of regime in 50 fucking years.
Other countries, 5 years, 4 years can change regime, we 50 years still same fucker.
Why bother to make fucking change.
You come and fucking tell me lah.
my feeling is its unlikely he'll step away, he made a statement about that. but once he pass on it should get harder for the PAP to retain their grip.
think about it this way. 10 years ago no one ever had a govt official telling people we can stop rain with chillies and onions. how long do you think someone who talks like that would last without very strong support?
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
thats your actual problem isn't it? you can't understand why people don't support CSJ despite all he's done? and when you accept it you start to sprout things like this.
Can't understand why people don't support CSJ despite all he's done ?
Do I need to understand anyone who do not wish to support CSJ ?
Is that a life threatening issue ?
Seriously, you assume too much about everything and anything - perhaps you have too much time on your hands ?
Do I need to accept the status quo of any events that affect CSJ in one way or another ?
then like what you slammed HZ about, you start to use words that point to the same thing.
" blah blah blah something's wrong so if you don't do this or if you do that something worse would happen"
thats what i mean. assuming you really are from SDP or related to them (going by your fervent support) and by your words HZ's from WP. don't you think its stupid to argue about the same things instead of working towards a common aim?
of course, all this is subjective, you can always say things don't work this way. my views are not acceptable and continue to hunger strike in jail or protest at the steps of some place.
If you cannot read carefully what had transpired from Page 2 to Page 4 of this text, and prefer to indulge in your own preferred pre-conceived views of what the clear words have indicated, you are most welcome to your miscued views.
Do you seriously believe that what HZ's views that have been expressed by him will even represent anything from WP ?
It is amazing how you will dare to adopt a condescending position when your reading ability has failed so miserably, and you will dare even raise an opinion to tell others what your false reading tell you to say.
If everything is subjective, can there be any common values based on your criteria of the extent that subjectivity goes ?
For one who claim to be politically inactive, can you know what is attributable to CSJ, and what is not ?
Or do you depend entirely on the spread of the "official version" through the grapevine of "public opinion" ?
well if by public opinion you're refering to straits times rest assured i don't read that. my poor view of SDP is mainly attributed to what i read on SDP's site itself.(everytime he does something interesting) and the rest mainly comes from people like you who defend him in this manner.
so if the leader fails to take his people in hand is it his fault or the follower's own fault?
anyway the last protest was very very disappointing for me. i went to the SDP site to check out whats going on(provided by someone here, you maybe ?) and what i read there gave me the impression this is a person who do not care for his fellow men, he's only interested in his political views. the "supporters" were not of a group i felt knew what they were doing.
The problem with your attitude displayed todate is the typical smugness of the fence sitter - one who does not commit to anything or any principle, have no opinions of any event or any issues - except towards those who dare to have one.
Can we believe that you do not read the Straits Times - not even a glance ?
You are a poor liar - even when attempting to hide behind a false print.
For one who is interested in finding faults, I am amazed that you only look for the petty ones from CSJ, but will not even highlight the more glaring issues that the PAP has - perhaps you have no opinions at all as you are no better then a PAP carpet beggar ?
Of course, you have nothing to say - what can you be expected to say - especially when you have now declared to be "aren't active politically" ?
that i think you're delusional when i hear those view?
Delusional ?
That is what you can only hope for every Singaporean who will find fault with the PAP.
Which part do you see as propaganda ?
The part that I wrote about LKY's view of Obama's hopeless effort to win the Presidential race - which was recorded in early 2008, or the part about LKY sewing up the fabric of political life in Singapore ?
the entire part? especially the ending?
Make up your mind - are you asking a question or making a commitment to your position ?
Are you not confirming what has been indicated about your the smugness of your decision to be a fence sitter ?
Which Parliament session were you referring to ?
i was actually thinking of someone from a non PAP party, although it was very disappointing to hear him speak up then shut his mouth like an obedient little boy when told to(haha and someone told me he's experienced?). i had expected him to stand up and question the govt and question the response.
i still feel if you choose the words carefully it is possible to question the PAP in parliament. questioning the govt doesn't mean you challenge it. rather you want an answer on the spot how the govt is going to deal with the issue. you don't accept "we'll look into it" as an answer. but you still remain friendly when you speak.
we don't have these people here, its either 50-60 year old school boy types who can't speak up or lunatics who can't shut up.
If you feel that way, why do you not even dare to form an opinion to state clearly what the PAP has done wrong, instead of nit picking on the mundane issues that is so characteristic of the PAP in degrading and belittling the Opposition Parties.
You have done yourself and Singaporeans a disservice.
Only a hypocritical humbug will accept a smug neutral reply and attempt to be friendly when the obvious honest reaction is a voice of loud protest.
By your own standards in criticising those in Parliament, you are measured as much by your own standards as you dare to measure others with the same.
Can you even know how - or even dare - to say what is on your own mind ?
Your emphatic reply shows your bias enthusiasm with your own self-serving agenda that is based on your own warped values - that one can conclude as being formed largely by those around you, whom you associate and claimed to have warped values as you have printed and admitted.
Is there anything to be proud of ?
yes?
so you're disappointed i think he's a clown?
as mentioned above its not my fault i think he's a clown. its not like i'm the only one here that used the word clown on him? so if thinking he's a clown shows my bias enthusiasm with my own self-serving agenda that is based on my own warped values.
does this mean it applies to the rest here who used the "C" word on him?
Anyone who will judge others by the standard of a clown, will best be prepared to be judge by the same standard of measure.
Are you prepared to be measured in the same light ?
Judging from your performance so far, you have not been holding yourself too well - and as much as you believe that CSJ is a clown, at least he is prepared to put his foot where his mouth is - and paid the price without any loss of pride.
Have you the same quality of character ?
Sadly, yours is only that of a careful fence sitter.
In a situation where both side sucks, you will make yourself a bigger sucker by accepting the status quo instead of allowing yourself the opportunity to change, or at least even to effect change in a new direction that you can control.
Your resignation to the status quo is revealing in itself.
Do we need to indulge you any further ?
thats your thinking because of your own warped values. like the entire thread where you can't accept anyone not sympathatic to your political views. and resorting to personal attacks when reasoning fails
with you its always been
"either you're with us or you're against us"
then anyone who don't support the C**** is an enemy, isn't it obvious why SDP's support is going down under the C****'s leadership?
Again, this conclusion is your own opinion based on your preferred way of interpreting issues that you have no principles to stand on.
It again reflects what has been said about you in my previous response.
The essence of what HZ had written from Page 2 to Page 4 is clear, his views and attitude has not been misconstrued, and I had tackled each one precisely that he prefer to drop them without any rebuttal - as they were based on false premise.
Your position taken with your skewed interpretation is similarly based on your own false readings that lead you to your preferred skewed conclusions, and you prefer to continue with your smug arguments based on your self-indulging exercise at some pseudo-intellectual arguments.
Will you dare to put your arguments on pure simple principles - whether on political or personal issues - instead of being a fence sitter, and criticise those with an opinion when you have none to begin with ?
There are alot of nit pickings to take find faults with to tarnish the image of anyone, but do you know how to take on the major issues ?
I am surprised that you will find so many faults with the SDP website, but yet have not even commented on a major issue that SDP or CSJ had brought up that is so relevant to the present political and financial events :
Holding Lee Kuan Yew accountable – Part 2
In you own smugness, are you not displaying a dishonest part of yourself ?
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
As I said, you cannot accept the fact that another political party may knock both the SDP and the guys in white out of the race for the seat of the government.
As was mentioned before - only a chimpanzee will know the language and work with the gorillas, how many bananas have the gorillas given you that keep your eyes off their peanuts ?
Since when have you said anything about my inability to accept any facts ?
Are you still in your tour of creativity despite being banged about ?
Firstly, what do the people of Singapore want? Stability is needed so agitation movements are a no-no. So a party has to think of a smarter legal way to out the present people in power.
Is political stability what Singaporeans want now, or is the need to resolve their financial situation the first thing on their minds ?
With GIC and Temasek losing $100 BILLION in some NON-Transparent ways - can Singapore expect any economic or financial stability, or are we to prepare ourselves for speculative attacks that will destabilise our Singapore Dollar ?
Can any political party win any election that is controlled by the PAP - when they control the ways the legislations are drafted and passed into laws, the electoral boundaries manipulated, the print and broadcast media being monopolised, the Civil Service mobilised to support the PAP machinery, and the entire Singapore population placed in a state of close-watched seige ?
Only a chimpanzee overfed with bananas will soon sing the song of the gorillas.
Next, the people at large want better economic opportunities. The books published by CSJ concentrates on anti-corruption and anti-cronism but hardly any word on plans for the economic future of Singapore. Going pure tech? Going for biomedical? Where will Singapore's future niche be?
It clearly showed that you have not read the books that CSJ had written that went beyond what you think he concentrates on.
Try reading it before you are made to look like a real chimp.
Presently, there are some laws which prevents certain industries from ever booming in Singapore, ie. cloning. Will CSJ dare take the plunge and revamp such laws so Singapore can find a nice little economic niche for itself? So far, CSJ cannot afford to lose the ticket from the different religious groups so certain poor people will not vote for SDP.
It is best that you think over and crystalize what you have said before you are made to look like a stuffed banana instead of being a chimp.
Lastly, although an finiancial white paper for Singapore is needed, there must be strong censureship on int-sec and ex-sec issues. No need to tell everyone how much does Singapore spend on its spies. CSJ has intention to spill all the beans so as to prove how corrupt free the possible new government is.
If you are trying to be a gorilla when you are no better than a chimpanzee, try to learn to crack a peanut with your banana first.
Since when does Financial White Paper deal with "int-sec and ex-sec" issues - whatever you intend to impress everyone with ?
Certainly you do not deserve the beans that CSJ spill, when you go hungry with all the bananas and peanuts being rotten.
Only the chimpanzees will help the gorillas to hide the peanut shells in exchange for the rotten bananas, so that no one will ever know how much peanuts have been consumed without anyone knowing.
Our oppositions are a bunch of weak chimpanzes, no doubt about it, they cannot even rally a protest of any kind against the govt, and worst, instead of taking the govt to question, they fight among each others for powers and status.
The most they can do is to hide behind some computer and write hell of a lots but to no effect and affect no ones, ...really a laughing stock. Pui!
instead of taking the govt to question, they fight among each others for powers and status.
Who?
Which opposition is fighting for power?
At least some angel get to know what has been done and know how to throw a spittle.