Is Singapore Ship sinking? Can it survive next 50 yrs?
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I am sure I had something I wanted to say before I made this post.... but...
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Let's see, HyperionDCZ: said and I quote, "because China could literally build an exact replica of Singapore"
You said and I quote, " In order to replace Singapore, the location has to be near us, probably in Malaysia or some parts of Indonesia."
I mentioned ""China" and "the "Kra Isthmus Canal" You can't follow the logical flow of thought?
You can and by changing the subject, you are conceeding the point?
"the "Kra Isthmus Canal" ? You mean the Thai Canal that was proposed since 1677 and still haven't had a confirmed blueprint on the table yet.....
Call me a skeptic, but I don't think that will materialise in the immediate future. And its not just because the plan has been there for so long, but this canal is going to cut tru a lot of states' terrritory and will have some serious impact on the strategic balance in the region. The powers in the region are unlikely going to reach a consensus on that anytime soon.
And irregardless of whether I had changed the subject, you haven't answered my question. Were you implying the Chinese were actually treating their dissendents better than Singaporeans? Anyway, you know what, don't bother with that, I'm sure the other forumees can answer that.
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
how much more naive can you get. 90% of the world population probably doesnt even know that Singapore exists. And the other 99.9999999% wont even give a shit because China could literally build an exact replica of Singapore in a couple of years.
errr....China has tried to emulate Singapore since Deng Xiao Ping visited Singapore in 1978, from suzhou industrial park to tianjin ecocity, from dalian to now guangzhou, they learned and applied but they have not built another Singapore.Singapore exist with multi racial and religion, this is not something that the Chinese can emulate.
Economically, culturally....they can't build another Singapore, it doesn't serve their purpose for them even to try.
talking about naive, hehehe...
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Originally posted by wisefool83:
"the "Kra Isthmus Canal" ? You mean the Thai Canal that was proposed since 1677 and still haven't had a confirmed blueprint on the table yet.....
Call me a skeptic, but I don't think that will materialise in the immediate future. And its not just because the plan has been there for so long, but this canal is going to cut tru a lot of states' terrritory and will have some serious impact on the strategic balance in the region. The powers in the region are unlikely going to reach a consensus on that anytime soon.
And irregardless of whether I had changed the subject, you haven't answered my question. Were you implying the Chinese were actually treating their dissendents better than Singaporeans? Anyway, you know what, don't bother with that, I'm sure the other forumees can answer that.
You said the Chinese cannot and I gave you an example how the Chinese definitely can, if they want to. Whether or not they want to, whether or not it will materialise is another matter.
From the yesterday concluded ASEAN summit, the current Thai Prime Minister is obviously a very strong leader and extremely confident of himself.
When a leader can say this to people massively protesting against him,
"PM lauds red shirt for avoiding violence
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has thanked the red-shirted people for not creating violence during their...."
You can see how confident of his position he is, and how popular he will become, not popular by propaganda by real popularity becuase he consults with his people and together they make the decisions.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Let's see, HyperionDCZ: said and I quote, "because China could literally build an exact replica of Singapore"
You said and I quote, " In order to replace Singapore, the location has to be near us, probably in Malaysia or some parts of Indonesia."
I mentioned ""China" and "the "Kra Isthmus Canal" You can't follow the logical flow of thought?
You can and by changing the subject, you are conceeding the point?
Singapore is not just about our location for the trade route. wake up lah....this is no 1970s!!
"If the want to, with their experience in creating the "Three Gorges Dam" they can build the "Kra Isthmus Canal"..."
China can move thousands of family living along the river to build the Dam, can they move the people in thai and the muslims?? This is the most naive remark ever said about the building of Kra Canal!!
you have logic?....hehehe
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..and dont forget that the present international airport, Suvarnabhum, was proposed in the sixies and Thaksin built it in a few years.
If anyone can build the "the "Kra Isthmus Canal" this honorable Thai Prime Minister can.
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In contrasts, in Singapore, you have a anus cancer patient that says things like, "GST increase is to help the poor" and ... (click to link):
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
..and dont forget that the present international airport, Suvarnabhum, was proposed in the sixies and Thaksin built it in a few years.
If anyone can build the "the "Kra Isthmus Canal" this honorable Thai Prime Minister can.
Cool uncle, even if this handsome thai Uncle build it, bet you wouldn't be around to see it.. -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
You said the Chinese cannot and I gave you an example how the Chinese definitely can, if they want to. Whether or not they want to, whether or not it will materialise is another matter.
From the yesterday concluded ASEAN summit, the current Thai Prime Minister is obviously a very strong leader and extremely confident of himself.
When a leader can say this to people massively protesting against him,
"PM lauds red shirt for avoiding violence
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has thanked the red-shirted people for not creating violence during their...."
You can see how confident of his position he is, and how popular he will become, not popular by propaganda by real popularity becuase he consults with his people and together they make the decisions.
Actually, the canal still cannot replaces Singapore. The Canal leads to China, yes; it can bypass Singapore, yes; but it cannot replace Singapore. Singapore serves the entire Asia pacific region as a port. The Canal, even if built, is meant to serve China only. It leads to the western part of China. Even if China is kind enough to allow the commodities, to be reshipped out from there, the cost of transporting the commodities to the Eastern ports along the coastal area is still going to be very high. Not to mention that the ports on both western and eastern ends have to replicate Singapore's port efficiency.
On the strategic front, there will also be problems. China's main intention of wanting such a canal is for energy security. The idea being that, in the event of war with the US, China can bypass the straits of Malacca which US can choke anytime it likes (US naval base in Singapore rings a bell to anyone?). With this in mind, what is the likelihood of U.S. allowing such a thing to happen? At the same time, this canal will also have to cut tru other states, not just Thailand alone. If not probably coordinated, things are likely to end up like the Pan Beibu Gulf railway where some the sections are not connected.
The efficiency and leadership quality of the current Thai PM requires a longer observation period. When Thaksin first took power, he was also very popular, and he was elected, not put on stage via a judicial coup. Good PR skill does not automatically translate into effective leadership.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
..and dont forget that the present international airport, Suvarnabhum, was proposed in the sixies and Thaksin built it in a few years.
If anyone can build the "the "Kra Isthmus Canal" this honorable Thai Prime Minister can.
I seriously don't know why you think Abhisit is honorable in according to your definition. He was elected into office via popular vote, he was placed in power after the party elected via voting got kicked out by the court with the lamest excuse in history, for appearing on a TV cooking program and taking some miserable fee from the TV station.
It is true that the Yellows appeared in large numbers and protested long and hard for the current ruling party. But doesn't the fact that they are able to protest for a prolong period without the need to go to work suggest that these people might come exclusively from the wealthier class? Like the ones who don't need to work?
The Reds are unable to protest for long, the rich TV stations owner is not in their camp. They hardly have the resources to have their voice heard. Most of them have to work everyday and hence can't protest as long as the Yellows, provided that they manage to gather enough money to travel to the capital from their rural areas in the first place.
So there is a chance that Abhisit is not popular, he just have supporters who are rich and powerful enough to be heard. Thaksin's error might have been that he is popular among the poor.
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Abhisit. If his performance in the near future warrents it, I am willing to support his rule. I just don't understand why he fits your definition ofbeing honorable.
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Originally posted by wisefool83:
Actually, the canal still cannot replaces Singapore. The Canal leads to China, yes; it can bypass Singapore, yes; but it cannot replace Singapore. Singapore serves the entire Asia pacific region as a port. The Canal, even if built, is meant to serve China only. It leads to the western part of China. Even if China is kind enough to allow the commodities, to be reshipped out from there, the cost of transporting the commodities to the Eastern ports along the coastal area is still going to be very high. Not to mention that the ports on both western and eastern ends have to replicate Singapore's port efficiency.
On the strategic front, there will also be problems. China's main intention of wanting such a canal is for energy security. The idea being that, in the event of war with the US, China can bypass the straits of Malacca which US can choke anytime it likes (US naval base in Singapore rings a bell to anyone?). With this in mind, what is the likelihood of U.S. allowing such a thing to happen? At the same time, this canal will also have to cut tru other states, not just Thailand alone. If not probably coordinated, things are likely to end up like the Pan Beibu Gulf railway where some the sections are not connected.
The efficiency and leadership quality of the current Thai PM requires a longer observation period. When Thaksin first took power, he was also very popular, and he was elected, not put on stage via a judicial coup. Good PR skill does not automatically translate into effective leadership.
You need to read up more if you think that "the "Kra Isthmus Canal" serves only china. It links the Pacific with the Indian ocean bypassing Singapore. The USA, Japan and China are Pacific rim countries. They don't call it the Indian Ocean for nothing.
What is left is Australia.
hint: maps.google.com
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Originally posted by wisefool83:
I seriously don't know why you think Abhisit is honorable in according to your definition. He was elected into office via popular vote, he was placed in power after the party elected via voting got kicked out by the court with the lamest excuse in history, for appearing on a TV cooking program and taking some miserable fee from the TV station.
It is true that the Yellows appeared in large numbers and protested long and hard for the current ruling party. But doesn't the fact that they are able to protest for a prolong period without the need to go to work suggest that these people might come exclusively from the wealthier class? Like the ones who don't need to work?
The Reds are unable to protest for long, the rich TV stations owner is not in their camp. They hardly have the resources to have their voice heard. Most of them have to work everyday and hence can't protest as long as the Yellows, provided that they manage to gather enough money to travel to the capital from their rural areas in the first place.
So there is a chance that Abhisit is not popular, he just have supporters who are rich and powerful enough to be heard. Thaksin's error might have been that he is popular among the poor.
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Abhisit. If his performance in the near future warrents it, I am willing to support his rule. I just don't understand why he fits your definition ofbeing honorable.
When you have a leader openly allowing protests, what you have is a leader that intends to stay above board.
The recent protests as I predicted in the "Civil War in Thailand" thread would fizzle out.
The protesters cannot muster the support of the common Thais because there is just nothing substabtial to support!
They are paid by Thaksin and when they have done their jobs (protesting), they collect their salaries, pack up and go home.
Do you think Ahbisit will allow protests if he has any intention of collecting ERP, COE, and claiming he needs to raise VAT to help the poor and instead use the money to let his wife control public funds and letting her lose $50 billion of it to foreigners?
He wouldn't last three months. He is honorable because he has no intention of doing such dishonorable dastardly deeds.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
You said the Chinese cannot and I gave you an example how the Chinese definitely can, if they want to. Whether or not they want to, whether or not it will materialise is another matter.
From the yesterday concluded ASEAN summit, the current Thai Prime Minister is obviously a very strong leader and extremely confident of himself.
When a leader can say this to people massively protesting against him,
"PM lauds red shirt for avoiding violence
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has thanked the red-shirted people for not creating violence during their...."
You can see how confident of his position he is, and how popular he will become, not popular by propaganda by real popularity becuase he consults with his people and together they make the decisions.
Uncle, since u like the thai minister, u can call him mah, he abit gayish..and since you take him as a good example, he applauded his opposition for good thing done, you should be same like him, at times, you should applaud the PAP too and stop being ungracious by call other dog, lick and ass...hope u understand ya, you can see other behaved so well, why not u. -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
You need to read up more if you think that "the "Kra Isthmus Canal" serves only china. It links the Pacific with the Indian ocean bypassing Singapore. The USA, Japan and China are Pacific rim countries. They don't call it the Indian Ocean for nothing.
What is left is Australia.
hint: maps.google.com
You need to read up more if you think that "the "Kra Isthmus Canal" serves only china.:
There is actually very little academic work on the Kra Isthmus Canal or the Thai Canal (the latest relevant article that comes up when I searched tru Jstor dated 1939), suggesting very little academic interest in the subject. Aka, lots of smart people out there are not taking the idea serious enough to be interested about it. There are a number of articles about it around 2005 and 2006. Interestingly, the first article that pops up on google has the following quote:"Kamnuan Chalopathump, chairman of the Kra Canal project Senate committee, said Singapore was initially concerned about the impact on its economy. But a shipping industry observer said it may not be such a problem for Singapore. "For container ships, which travel quite fast, (the canal short cut) may not be so attractive. But for big oil tankers it could save time," he said."
The purpose of the canal is therefore, mainly to transport fuel, and China is well, the main fuel consumer in the region. Also, Singapore is the main oil refinary of the region and somewhere between the 3rd and 1st in the world (depending on which source you believe in), so the very commodity that the canal is built for (transporting oil) has to come to Singapore to be refined before shipping out again.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
When you have a leader openly allowing protests, what you have is a leader that intends to stay above board.
The recent protests as I predicted in the "Civil War in Thailand" thread would fizzle out.
The protesters cannot muster the support of the common Thais because there is just nothing substabtial to support!
They are paid by Thaksin and when they have done their jobs (protesting), they collect their salaries, pack up and go home.
Do you think Ahbisit will allow protests if he has any intention of collecting ERP, COE, and claiming he needs to raise VAT to help the poor and instead use the money to let his wife control public funds and letting her lose $50 billion of it to foreigners?
He wouldn't last three months. He is honorable because he has no intention of doing such dishonorable dastardly deeds.
When you have a leader openly allowing protests, what you have is a leader that intends to stay above board.:
Actually, what you have, might just be someone who is unable to stop a protest for fear that it will generate even more protests. The previous Thai administration didn't stop the Yellows from protesting too, not because they don't want, but because they can't.
The protesters cannot muster the support of the common Thais because there is just nothing substabtial to support!
They are paid by Thaksin and when they have done their jobs (protesting), they collect their salaries, pack up and go home.
If the Red protesters were really simply paid, would they have resorted to violence when the Yellows were protesting? I mean seriously, how much did Thaksin have to pay to get someone lob a grenade into the Yellow camp? And if Thaksin, someone who has spare cash to play Championship Manager in real-life, is paying for poor Thai protesters to protest, I'm pretty sure he has the resource to get them to protest a little bit longer.
Do you think Ahbisit will allow protests if he has any intention of collecting ERP, COE:
What is the relationship between ERP, COE and protests? I can't follow the logic of this one, any other forumees out there want to help out on this one?
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Originally posted by wisefool83:
You need to read up more if you think that "the "Kra Isthmus Canal" serves only china.:
There is actually very little academic work on the Kra Isthmus Canal or the Thai Canal (the latest relevant article that comes up when I searched tru Jstor dated 1939), suggesting very little academic interest in the subject. Aka, lots of smart people out there are not taking the idea serious enough to be interested about it. There are a number of articles about it around 2005 and 2006. Interestingly, the first article that pops up on google has the following quote:"Kamnuan Chalopathump, chairman of the Kra Canal project Senate committee, said Singapore was initially concerned about the impact on its economy. But a shipping industry observer said it may not be such a problem for Singapore. "For container ships, which travel quite fast, (the canal short cut) may not be so attractive. But for big oil tankers it could save time," he said."
The purpose of the canal is therefore, mainly to transport fuel, and China is well, the main fuel consumer in the region. Also, Singapore is the main oil refinary of the region and somewhere between the 3rd and 1st in the world (depending on which source you believe in), so the very commodity that the canal is built for (transporting oil) has to come to Singapore to be refined before shipping out again.
You said: "There is actually very little academic work on the Kra Isthmus Canal"
When there are concrete plans, there will be more "academic work".
You said: "so the very commodity that the canal is built for (transporting oil) has to come to Singapore to be refined before shipping out again. "
..and when they do not need to pass through Singapore, they will refine it elsewhere and the refinaries in Singapore close shop, and take out their investments.
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Originally posted by wisefool83:
When you have a leader openly allowing protests, what you have is a leader that intends to stay above board.:
Actually, what you have, might just be someone who is unable to stop a protest for fear that it will generate even more protests. The previous Thai administration didn't stop the Yellows from protesting too, not because they don't want, but because they can't.
The protesters cannot muster the support of the common Thais because there is just nothing substabtial to support!
They are paid by Thaksin and when they have done their jobs (protesting), they collect their salaries, pack up and go home.
If the Red protesters were really simply paid, would they have resorted to violence when the Yellows were protesting? I mean seriously, how much did Thaksin have to pay to get someone lob a grenade into the Yellow camp? And if Thaksin, someone who has spare cash to play Championship Manager in real-life, is paying for poor Thai protesters to protest, I'm pretty sure he has the resource to get them to protest a little bit longer.
Do you think Ahbisit will allow protests if he has any intention of collecting ERP, COE:
What is the relationship between ERP, COE and protests? I can't follow the logic of this one, any other forumees out there want to help out on this one?
You said: "Actually, what you have, might just be someone who is unable to stop a protest for fear that it will generate even more protests."
Thaksin's brother in law tried to stop the yellows with violence. Ahbisit thanked the protesters. See the difference?
You said: "If the Red protesters were really simply paid, would they have resorted to violence when the Yellows were protesting?"
Which protest are you talking about now? Don't get confused.
You said: " has spare cash to play Championship Manager in real-life, is paying for poor Thai protesters to protest, I'm pretty sure he has the resource to get them to protest a little bit longer."
Obviously he was hoping that others, free agents, would join in but since they did not, protest a little longer for what?
You said: "What is the relationship between ERP, COE and protests? I can't follow the logic of this one, "
Read the whole paragraph. Not quote a small part and stop and say you cant follow the logic???!!!! Of course you cant if that is how you read.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
You said: "There is actually very little academic work on the Kra Isthmus Canal"
When there are concrete plans, there will be more "academic work".
You said: "so the very commodity that the canal is built for (transporting oil) has to come to Singapore to be refined before shipping out again. "
..and when they do not need to pass through Singapore, they will refine it elsewhere and the refinaries in Singapore close shop, and take out their investments.
When there are concrete plans, there will be more "academic work". :
Normally academic interests precede concrete plans. This is especially the case in less authorative countries such as Thailand or United States. Academics have a lot of influence and connection with the policy makers.
..and when they do not need to pass through Singapore, they will refine it elsewhere and the refinaries in Singapore close shop, and take out their investments.:
And where do you propose the people set the new places in? I know anywhere in Singapore is good for you, but most businessmen out there are actually looking out for things like infrastructure, efficiency and experience. The canal doesn't offer a really attractive shortcut and land the ships into a region unfamiliar with port handling and oil refinery business. I know you would choose the short cut over coming to Singapore any day, hell you would choose to sail your ship the other way around the world if you must to avoid Singapore and watch it sink, but I'm not too sure the businessmen out there will do something along the line.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
You said: "Actually, what you have, might just be someone who is unable to stop a protest for fear that it will generate even more protests."
Thaksin's brother in law tried to stop the yellows with violence. Ahbisit thanked the protesters. See the difference?
You said: "If the Red protesters were really simply paid, would they have resorted to violence when the Yellows were protesting?"
Which protest are you talking about now? Don't get confused.
You said: " has spare cash to play Championship Manager in real-life, is paying for poor Thai protesters to protest, I'm pretty sure he has the resource to get them to protest a little bit longer."
Obviously he was hoping that others, free agents, would join in but since they did not, protest a little longer for what?
You said: "What is the relationship between ERP, COE and protests? I can't follow the logic of this one, "
Read the whole paragraph. Not quote a small part and stop and say you cant follow the logic???!!!! Of course you cant if that is how you read.
Thaksin's brother in law tried to stop the yellows with violence. Ahbisit thanked the protesters. See the difference?
Protesters against Somchai shut down the entire International Airport and did everything they can to disrupt the entire Thai Administration. Protesters against Abhisit demonstrated at the government house but allowed Abhisit to enter via the side gate. Given the difference in protesters attitude, I would thank the reds too.
Which protest are you talking about now? Don't get confused.
I'm talking about the one that happened during Somchai era, remember at one point during the protests, some of Thaksin loyalist went against the yellow protesters and someone actually lobbed a grenade into the yellow camp?
Obviously he was hoping that others, free agents, would join in but since they did not, protest a little longer for what?
If I'm a rich enough person to buy an entire football club, and if Thai peasants are up for sale by the dozen as you were implying, I would be able to buy enough "protesters" to shut down more than just the airport. Why would he do something so lame as to just protest for a couple of days outside the government house?
Read the whole paragraph. Not quote a small part and stop and say you cant follow the logic???!!!! Of course you cant if that is how you read.
Oh course I read the entre paragraph, doesn't mean I have to retype everything or copy and paste it. I was under the assumption that if I type the first few words as reference, people would know which paragraph I'm talking about. So maybe the problem here is not how I read.....
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Originally posted by wisefool83:
When there are concrete plans, there will be more "academic work". :
Normally academic interests precede concrete plans. This is especially the case in less authorative countries such as Thailand or United States. Academics have a lot of influence and connection with the policy makers.
..and when they do not need to pass through Singapore, they will refine it elsewhere and the refinaries in Singapore close shop, and take out their investments.:
And where do you propose the people set the new places in? I know anywhere in Singapore is good for you, but most businessmen out there are actually looking out for things like infrastructure, efficiency and experience. The canal doesn't offer a really attractive shortcut and land the ships into a region unfamiliar with port handling and oil refinery business. I know you would choose the short cut over coming to Singapore any day, hell you would choose to sail your ship the other way around the world if you must to avoid Singapore and watch it sink, but I'm not too sure the businessmen out there will do something along the line.
I did not say that they were going to do it in the next few years did I? I said that if they want to, they can. One of the main reasons why they might is this downturn might force them to look at development opportunities. The other would be the price rise for crude.
How about they refine crude in Thailand itself????!!!
Thailand
- Thai Oil Refinery (Thai Oil Company of PTT), 220,000 bbl/d (35,000 m³/d)
- IRPC Refinery (IRPC PLC of PTT), 215,000 bbl/d (34,200 m³/d)
- Rayong Refinery (Rayong Refinery PLC of PTT), 145,000 bbl/d (23,100 m³/d)
- SPRC Refinery (Star Petroleum Refining Company of PTT), 150,000 bbl/d (24,000 m³/d)
- Bangchak Refinery (Bangchak Petroleum of PTT), 120,000 bbl/d (19,000 m³/d)
- Sri Racha Refinery (ExxonMobil), 170,000 bbl/d (27,000 m³/d)
- Rayong Purifier Refinery (Rayong Purifier Company), 17,000 bbl/d (2,700 m³/d)
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
I did not say that they were going to do it in the next few years did I? I said that if they want to, they can. One of the main reasons why they might is this downturn might force them to look at development opportunities. The other would be the price rise for crude.
How about they refine crude in Thailand itself????!!!
Thailand
- Thai Oil Refinery (Thai Oil Company of PTT), 220,000 bbl/d (35,000 m³/d)
- IRPC Refinery (IRPC PLC of PTT), 215,000 bbl/d (34,200 m³/d)
- Rayong Refinery (Rayong Refinery PLC of PTT), 145,000 bbl/d (23,100 m³/d)
- SPRC Refinery (Star Petroleum Refining Company of PTT), 150,000 bbl/d (24,000 m³/d)
- Bangchak Refinery (Bangchak Petroleum of PTT), 120,000 bbl/d (19,000 m³/d)
- Sri Racha Refinery (ExxonMobil), 170,000 bbl/d (27,000 m³/d)
- Rayong Purifier Refinery (Rayong Purifier Company), 17,000 bbl/d (2,700 m³/d)
Do you know that thai is having problem with their southern muslim insurgent, and moreover, the border btw thai and malaysia have never been in good term with malaysia claiming part of hatyai belong to malaysia and thai claiming part of north malaysia are thai lands, such are the diversity of the problem up there that give no way to compromising any expensive and long term construction of canal. UNDERSTAND!!! -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
I did not say that they were going to do it in the next few years did I? I said that if they want to, they can. One of the main reasons why they might is this downturn might force them to look at development opportunities. The other would be the price rise for crude.
How about they refine crude in Thailand itself????!!!
Thailand
- Thai Oil Refinery (Thai Oil Company of PTT), 220,000 bbl/d (35,000 m³/d)
- IRPC Refinery (IRPC PLC of PTT), 215,000 bbl/d (34,200 m³/d)
- Rayong Refinery (Rayong Refinery PLC of PTT), 145,000 bbl/d (23,100 m³/d)
- SPRC Refinery (Star Petroleum Refining Company of PTT), 150,000 bbl/d (24,000 m³/d)
- Bangchak Refinery (Bangchak Petroleum of PTT), 120,000 bbl/d (19,000 m³/d)
- Sri Racha Refinery (ExxonMobil), 170,000 bbl/d (27,000 m³/d)
- Rayong Purifier Refinery (Rayong Purifier Company), 17,000 bbl/d (2,700 m³/d)
Seriously, I am still curious, what exactly did PAP do to you that makes you put getting rid of them as your sole purpose?
Hmmm.... what is your intended timeline then? Given that Singapore 3 oil refineries refines more oil than Thailand's 7 and that Singapore is increasing its capacity by 70%, it is unlikely that Thailand or any other oil refining country in Thailand Gulf Region will catch up within a short time. And since Thailand will need at least 10 years to build this canal, I would say Singapore's oil refinery will be safe from this canal by at least another 15-20 years. In the longer run, say 50-100 years, well, it is possible. But if the world is still going to depend heavily on oil in 50-100 years time, I will feel very disturbed.
If mistreatment of dissidents = screwing up the country, then Singapore really shouldn't have prospered in the first place. After all, its not like we are just starting to do what we did to the dissidents. In contrast, Thailand and Malaysia have been more leient towards their opposition, especially so in the past number of years. Doesn't seem to me that Thailand and Malaysia is in a better state than Singapore.
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wah ... i think you people are not anywhere near to understanding oil refining process ... haha .....
There are various stages to crude oil refining ( from upstream to downstream ) ... Starting from well-head platform extraction to FPSO then to onshore then to storage ..... and this is just 1 variation.
But in essence , I do agree that other countries will overtake singapore in long run but as demand increases for energy, singapore will still be impt hub and I believe what wisefool said is valid too .
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Im not afraid that it would happen.....
What we need is just Singaporean's to be united and overcome difficult situations together and not just running away from it. I love Singapore the way it is!
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Originally posted by Ice Dive:
wah ... i think you people are not anywhere near to understanding oil refining process ... haha .....
There are various stages to crude oil refining ( from upstream to downstream ) ... Starting from well-head platform extraction to FPSO then to onshore then to storage ..... and this is just 1 variation.
But in essence , I do agree that other countries will overtake singapore in long run but as demand increases for energy, singapore will still be impt hub and I believe what wisefool said is valid too .
Yup, I know nuts about oil refining. Are you able to give a real simple oil refinery 101 in 5 minutes. The subject is way off from what I normally read, so I don't think I will bother to read it up any time soon. How good or bad exactly is Singapore in the field of Oil Refinery. I keep seeing articles that says how we are like top 3 oil refinery or top 3 oil trading, but I'm not 100% sure what these mean.