Rag-and-bone man charged with threatening MP
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Loonies will always be loonies.... you charge one in court for making threats, it will not stop the others... a complete waste of time and public money to score some propaganda points....
...and why do PAP MPs attract loonies? Birds of a Feather Flock Together.
Cos PAP MPs love to watch looney tunes Cartoon mah...ehhh...what's up doc?
%^&$%^#&*(*(&*(*&(&*&^&^8990000&^&*^, that all folks..Duffy duck.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Very soon PAP MPs will be the No.1 Most Dangerous profession in Singapore, so much so that insurance companies will excluded this group from taking an insurance policy.
Hurray!!! one more job created for the peoples, that is MPs bodyguards.No experience needed, but must know how to handle ah pek and ah ma during MPs visit.
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outright punch another person => police not involved. victim must file civil suit...
threaten to hit someone => kenna charged in court...
(is there something wrong with our laws?
)moral of the story? want to hit, hit... don't talk only...
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Originally posted by kalangkabo:
outright punch another person => police not involved. victim must file civil suit...
threaten to hit someone => kenna charged in court...
(is there something wrong with our laws?
)moral of the story? want to hit, hit... don't talk only...
we have kangaroo court in sg. hop hop hop!
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Setting ppl on fire is the in thing these days.
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Originally posted by ditzy:
Setting ppl on fire is the in thing these days.
throwing shoes is also the in thing -
Originally posted by ditzy:
Setting ppl on fire is the in thing these days.
No wonder i saw a a fire engine truck followingmy town MP, i thot it was a show, now i understand liao.Wonder if those flammable liquid prices will go up or not??
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I had hope to avoid threads such as these, for i have no wish to dwell in politics.
But I have to accept that actions conducted by the rag and bone man Mr.Ng, whom is our fellow elderly citizen must not be condone. What he had done is not just intimidated another citizen, he had even threatened physical harm to her, made worse by evidence of mental instability.
Are we to wait till someone gets hurt then act, or should we act before it happens?
In anycase, his record of mental instability will mitigate his offence. At most he will be sent for further and deeper rehabilitation so that he can rejoin society. He is not some hot headed but fully capable of mental stability young punk.
Whether the person injured or to be injured is an MP, the PM, President, or anyone of us, no one deserved to be physically harmed. There is absolutely NO reason to resort to violence. We are not animals or live like animals. It is not about politics.
Politics is about rational debate and building of societies. The brains are used. Physical intimidation is not politics. It is terrorism - the destruction of a human or humans to forcibly swing opinions to his way of thinking.
Some may hate opposition politicians such as Dr CSJ or ruling party politicians such as the great MM Lee, but had these people ever threw even a whisper of physical punch at anyone in the political arena? The day we fight it out physically like the Taiwanese in politics is the day that we renounced our own humanity and inviting terrrorism and dictatorships.
Just my 2 cts worth. Peace. May the parents, wife and children of our fellow citizen and MP, Mr. Seng - who is only serving a greater public role as our elected official, forgive the assailant. The assailant is one of us too, only with destablised mentality which all of us must be careful and concern with support for their rehabilitation and not condemnation. Espacially when he is only acting alone and not in a position to influence anyone else or sought to form a group of similar people like him to harm others.
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1. What make the old man want to say those words? That old man could be so desperate that he cant support his family that will result him in saying these in the fit of fustration. (assuming his comcare application is rejected or someone must have provoke him with some scarstics remarks when he see the MP?)
2. This $50k bail can be interpreted that the rich are bullying the poor. It the poor old man have $50k, he will not have ask MP for comcare funds & all these will not have happen.
3. Report state that he used to be from IMH. Ex-patient means he is discharged from there. If he is not mentally sound then why is he discharged in the first place?
4. Why have all these happen? Did someone instigate him or "psycho" him knwing he used to be from IMH.
5. MPs are the bridge between people & goverment. They might not have 100% correct info on the cases they attend. Did those volunteers give the correct info to MP before MP made decision?
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There are many hypocrites in Singapore if any of you still haven't realised that.
So you all can start thinking of someone around you or you know who is not a hypocrite in Singapore.
If you can't, then please accept the truth that Singaporeans are capable of being a hypocrite behaviour.
This Rag-and-bone man should have saw this coming. Does he thinks he will ever be able to get away without any punishment dealt upon him?
Ask him to look at his own hands, there are already somebody's blood on his hands.
And I'm sure there are many other waiting to tear him apart and stomp him to death with their bare feet.
There will be no escape and no mercy for the wicked and there is a fine difference between a righteous assault and murder.
I will personally sentence him to serve the MP as a servant/slave for the rest of his lives if I am the Judge.
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After one got punched, another torched, this one is made an example of. Its called educating the masses.
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Originally posted by mancha:
After one got punched, another torched, this one is made an example of. Its called educating the masses.
Yes, making Mr. Rag-and-bone man a Martyr is educating the masses.Is the government hoping to win over the masses by delivering terror or should the government be wise enough to see this as an opportunity to exercise and extend GRACE & UNDERSTANDING to the masses?
Maybe the Air-Condition in the Parliament is set to freeze or too cold?
Delivering terror to the masses would be an unwise decision as the masses could easily United as One United People and select the Opposition Party as the next ruling government in the next election.
But that would means Singapore would be fallen into a pair of even more Wrong Hands.
This would be a good opportunity to test the current government on their wisdom and tolerance for Singapore in the future.
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I do believe there is a broader issue that must not be overlooked, and that is the unhappiness and destablisation the financial crisis had wrought on our lives.
Both rich and poor feel the pain. The rich wanna get richer and the poor just wanna survive. It's not that there's no money, just that the rich and successful ones amongst us had hoarded up money. Some of them do give to charities, and assume they had done their part.But giving to charity although noble, can only feed the needy for a day, and not for life. Creating jobs will and it is where the money should go to.
The poor have no money. No money will lead to desperation and the ones whose mind are weak are easy target for nervous breakdown. As long as this situation continues, weak minded ones will lose their rationality and do rash acts.
This is where our Health Ministry must step in. While waiting for govt efforts to take effect, a national pyschatric programme is necessary. The purpose is not so much as to brainwash, but to assure the general public on genuine measures to remain calm.Pyschologists may perhaps work together with the advertising brightest thru the media to form a committee to look into the matter. These are unprecedented times.
Medicines will help. That violence was resorted and happened performed by IMH ex-patients only proves the medical rehabilition medicines and programmes had not worked and are not effective.Would genetic manipulation help? Is mental destability caused by a lack or too much of a protein in the genes? This would be a task for our Health Minister to look into.
Prevention is better than cure. But we do not have that many jails to house depressed fellow citizens, nor does it speak well of a society that put such people behind bars.A more effective rehabilitation programme would help better. Afterall, it's all only in the mind.
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dont think they can do much to a mentally sick patient.
jessie phua is indeed very hypocritical.
i would rather she said, she leave it to the police to investigate and more saying shitty stuff!!
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
I had hope to avoid threads such as these, for i have no wish to dwell in politics.
But I have to accept that actions conducted by the rag and bone man Mr.Ng, whom is our fellow elderly citizen must not be condone. What he had done is not just intimidated another citizen, he had even threatened physical harm to her, made worse by evidence of mental instability.
Are we to wait till someone gets hurt then act, or should we act before it happens?
In anycase, his record of mental instability will mitigate his offence. At most he will be sent for further and deeper rehabilitation so that he can rejoin society. He is not some hot headed but fully capable of mental stability young punk.
Whether the person injured or to be injured is an MP, the PM, President, or anyone of us, no one deserved to be physically harmed. There is absolutely NO reason to resort to violence. We are not animals or live like animals. It is not about politics.
Politics is about rational debate and building of societies. The brains are used. Physical intimidation is not politics. It is terrorism - the destruction of a human or humans to forcibly swing opinions to his way of thinking.
Some may hate opposition politicians such as Dr CSJ or ruling party politicians such as the great MM Lee, but had these people ever threw even a whisper of physical punch at anyone in the political arena? The day we fight it out physically like the Taiwanese in politics is the day that we renounced our own humanity and inviting terrrorism and dictatorships.
Just my 2 cts worth. Peace. May the parents, wife and children of our fellow citizen and MP, Mr. Seng - who is only serving a greater public role as our elected official, forgive the assailant. The assailant is one of us too, only with destablised mentality which all of us must be careful and concern with support for their rehabilitation and not condemnation. Espacially when he is only acting alone and not in a position to influence anyone else or sought to form a group of similar people like him to harm others.
Question sir,
Why in recent times, especially nowaday, middle age uncles and older ah peks are committing serious act and threat against the MPs of PAP, unlike other times, whereby all same to be very obedient and quiet.???
Is there a strange pattern of civil unrest up coming??
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Question sir,
Why in recent times, especially nowaday, middle age uncles and older ah peks are committing serious act and threat against the MPs of PAP, unlike other times, whereby all same to be very obedient and quiet.???
Is there a strange pattern of civil unrest up coming??
Sorry Maam, I aint no seer, least of all a political one. All i know is that many are affected by the financial crisis. A sense of doom pervades. Thus it is critical to have friends and to keep in contact, so that you know you are not alone or the only one facing this storm.
Many others too are facing it, and while some had cower in fear, there are many others who are braving it. Stick to the latter ones, and we will tide it over.
Stick with the former ones, and civil unrest will surely come.
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If the guy never did anything wrong, why would he set fire on him. There could dark story behind this. And its not the first time he got it, it happen twice. Could be the character and the way the guy who treat the poor old IMH man
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Originally posted by Francisenigma:
If the guy never did anything wrong, why would he set fire on him. There could dark story behind this. And its not the first time he got it, it happen twice. Could be the character and the way the guy who treat the poor old IMH man
Basically, this nasty, low class seng han tong is downright bitchy, if you have seen his behavious on TV u will know what I mean. Besides, there are residents from his constituency feedback that he is very unhelpful. He loves to carry carry the big shots. -
I personally dont know MP Seng, nor from his constituency, nor experienced his handling of town council affairs, therefore i am not in a position to asses him.
However, one thing which ALL WILL NOT DENY is that a VIOLENT ACT had been committed against him!
This is Singapore and we citizens swear by the rule of law. We dont go around burning people up, least of all members of Parliament, whom represent us volunteerily to help elevate our lives and alleviate our woes, our voice in the govt.
We, as citizens of Singapore, MUST NOT ever condone, or even find justifications for such acts, for to do so will only means our society allows each other to hurt or kill one another freely, if one feels slighted, true or imagined.
So far, it is only those whom are not mentally sound who is acting against society's rule of law. They will have to face the music and pay the price for their mistake, although our laws will attempt to comprehend his incomprehensible act and find ways to rehabilitate him. He too is a citizen as well, not someone with lesser right than MP Seng.
Justice will be served to citizens, as promised in our constitution and national pledge. May the children of MP Seng not think less of their fellow citizens because of the madness of one person who hurt their father.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
I personally dont know MP Seng, nor from his constituency, nor experienced his handling of town council affairs, therefore i am not in a position to asses him.
However, one thing which ALL WILL NOT DENY is that a VIOLENT ACT had been committed against him!
This is Singapore and we citizens swear by the rule of law. We dont go around burning people up, least of all members of Parliament, whom represent us volunteerily to help elevate our lives and alleviate our woes, our voice in the govt.
We, as citizens of Singapore, MUST NOT ever condone, or even find justifications for such acts, for to do so will only means our society allows each other to hurt or kill one another freely, if one feels slighted, true or imagined.
So far, it is only those whom are not mentally sound who is acting against society's rule of law. They will have to face the music and pay the price for their mistake, although our laws will attempt to comprehend his incomprehensible act and find ways to rehabilitate him. He too is a citizen as well, not someone with lesser right than MP Seng.
Justice will be served to citizens, as promised in our constitution and national pledge. May the children of MP Seng not think less of their fellow citizens because of the madness of one person who hurt their father.
Its this rule of law that allows our leaders to rip us off by getting overrated pay and deny us our freedom of speech promised by the constitution. i am no advocate of violence, but i believe if you push a person too far into the corner, with no where to maneuver, he will lash out, just like a cornered dog.
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Originally posted by reyes:
dont think they can do much to a mentally sick patient.
jessie phua is indeed very hypocritical.
i would rather she said, she leave it to the police to investigate and more saying shitty stuff!!
She is denise phua. Which PAP MP is not hypocrite?
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With such incidents, MPs should ask themselves, or PAP so to speak, why are there such revengeful act against them?? Is there something wrong or say wrongly? What is the use of going around town and get praised, dined, applauded and sent home happily, that is not the job of a good MP, a good MP must go deep into the ground work and ask "what is wrong, anybody got any problems, please write in or speak to my assistant"
If I am the MP in place of Mr. Seng, I would hv use my own pocket money to give him a 100 dollars even if he is not in the name list. that is what i call compassion.
And if a senior citizen threaten me, i would get him free from police and ask him for a dialogue in some cosy place to find out why he feels that way.
Mental or not, we all hv mental, what's happening now should serve as a strong signal feedbacks to the govt on the status of our senior citizens, to some people, especially the senior ones, due to lack of expression, they subdue themselves into action which however give a negative impact on the society. Like it or not, MP hv to do some case study and not just dine and wine at town visit
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Originally posted by Man!x:
i am no advocate of violence, but i believe if you push a person too far into the corner, with no where to maneuver, he will lash out, just like a cornered dog.
I understand your point, your concern as well as your sympathy for the seemingly 'poverty oppressed'. But there is no necessity for violence. Why confrontation when there are opportunities for deliberation?
Take the arsonist Mr.Ong, our fellow citizen for example.
Perhaps in his irrational view, the MP had done nothing for him. Was it true? I seriously doubt it as no one goes hungry in Spore. CDS, charitable organisations, religious sanctumns and even common laymen samaritans helps.
But there is only so much one can help. Thus, Mr. Ong too, must help himself. Perhaps he is too old for jobs, but i had seen even limping old men gathering tin cans. That is not something a society can be proud of, but there are limitations a society can do without taxing our young to the hilt.
It is something Mr. Ong must decide for himself to make himself relevant to job offers for the opportunity to earn a better living. More often than not, the fault partially lies with us,- are we too fussy, argumentative, dont take orders, behave atrociously, etc, and made employers pissed off with us?
No. Violence MUST NOT be an answer. Allow one to go scot free and you will have a terrorist nation on your hands.
We all sympathise underdogs. But when the underdogs start biting and harming others, sympathies must end and solutions found to solve the impasse.Even gangsters such as loansharks are willing to sit down for talks with a neutral 3rd party. What more we ordinary cilivised people to seek peaceful options instead of murder and mayhem where unintended innocent victims get hurt as well?
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Some may hate opposition politicians such as Dr CSJ or ruling party politicians such as the great MM Lee, but had these people ever threw even a whisper of physical punch at anyone in the political arena? The day we fight it out physically like the Taiwanese in politics is the day that we renounced our own humanity and inviting terrrorism and dictatorships.
The "Great MM Lee"? Just MM Lee will do lah. Are you someone sent by gahmen in disguise to post gahmen view or some grassroot leader? Or both? haha -
Originally posted by xtreyier:
I understand your point, your concern as well as your sympathy for the seemingly 'poverty oppressed'. ......
I seriously doubt it as no one goes hungry in Spore....
But there is only so much one can help. Thus, Mr. Ong too, must help himself. Perhaps he is too old for jobs, but i had seen even limping old men gathering tin cans. That is not something a society can be proud of, but there are limitations a society can do without taxing our young to the hilt.............
It is something Mr. Ong must decide for himself to make himself relevant to job offers for the opportunity to earn a better living........Even gangsters such as loansharks are willing to sit down for talks with a neutral 3rd party..........
I agree with you violence should not be condoned. But err.... maybe you don't know but there are Singaporeans who go hungry you know. There are people who are "poverty oppressed" too. Even the tame mainstream media reports that there are such people. Maybe that's why some of them become loan sharks, haha.
Maybe young, upwardly mobile civil servants out of score points with gahmen and the "great MM Lee" may not know that there are poor people in Singapore.