Ho Ching to leave Temasek Holdings
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
one day u wanna go tour?
can go sentosa mah, double return ticket by air to sentosa -
Originally posted by angel7030:
can go sentosa mah, double return ticket by air to sentosa
wow, u go sentosa tour ah, funny -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
wow, u go sentosa tour ah, funny
what so funny, do you know that i also went to Russia, Finland, Peru, Boliva other than those normal europe, japan, china...etc etc i also been to mongolia, Papua New Guinea, and all more remote places..but I hv never been to Chinese garden, Discovery Centre, Albert street, Hoe Chiang Road, Vivo city etc etc...so funny hor, Singaporeans, can boost about going around the world, but dun even know singapore places of interest.. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
what so funny, do you know that i also went to Russia, Finland, Peru, Boliva other than those normal europe, japan, china...etc etc i also been to mongolia, Papua New Guinea, and all more remote places..but I hv never been to Chinese garden, Discovery Centre, Albert street, Hoe Chiang Road, Vivo city etc etc...so funny hor, Singaporeans, can boost about going around the world, but dun even know singapore places of interest..
wow, so u telling me you are rich to go travelling to those places, ha ha ha!
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GOod .. Then 1 day tour to know singapore better .... Singapore not very big .. no need a lot of 1 day tour to cover the places ...
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If Ho Ching had not made these investment losses, Singapore would not have to take the unprecedented step of dipping into our reserves to fund the Resilience Package. Good job Mrs Lee, for setting another national record!
And what is our 'elected' President Nathan doing? Why is he not asking Temasek and GIC the tough questions that need to be asked? Why is it that after the budget announcement, he has not come out to defend the decision of using the second key himself? He is the president and yet he lets others defend his decisions for him, same as Ho Ching. Is this what we call leadership? Is this accountability?
Wake up Singaporeans! The system is broken because the ruling party has circumvented all the checks and balances. Our complacency has led to this. Wake up before it is too late!
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Originally posted by Panache1976:
Wah, how come nobody linked this yet:
If Ho Ching had not made these investment losses, Singapore would not have to take the unprecedented step of dipping into our reserves to fund the Resilience Package. Good job Mrs Lee, for setting another national record!
And what is our 'elected' President Nathan doing? Why is he not asking Temasek and GIC the tough questions that need to be asked? Why is it that after the budget announcement, he has not come out to defend the decision of using the second key himself? He is the president and yet he lets others defend his decisions for him, same as Ho Ching. Is this what we call leadership? Is this accountability?
Wake up Singaporeans! The system is broken because the ruling party has circumvented all the checks and balances. Our complacency has led to this. Wake up before it is too late!
well done for pointing that out. If it is just any other Singaporean doing the job, she or he would have been sacked. ho jinx is an exception as she belongs to the lee family.
nathan is a puppet, his masters are senile dictator and hopeless bloody lee hsien loong. IN the history of Singapore, only the beloved late President Ong Teng Cheong dared to ask for it but unfortunately after that someone took over his position. The rule of the game to continue to be PResident in Singapore is never do anything that does not please the senile tyrant and PAP.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
well done for pointing that out. If it is just any other Singaporean doing the job, she or he would have been sacked. ho jinx is an exception as she belongs to the lee family.
nathan is a puppet, his masters are senile dictator and hopeless bloody lee hsien loong. IN the history of Singapore, only the beloved late President Ong Teng Cheong dared to ask for it but unfortunately after that someone took over his position. The rule of the game to continue to be PResident in Singapore is never do anything that does not please the senile tyrant and PAP.
Looks like there is not much supporter of PAP existing in this forum. Every thread I see, I see people complaining about the singapore govt (sometimes with no good objective view ). This is so sad. -
Originally posted by Ice Dive:
Looks like there is not much supporter of PAP existing in this forum. Every thread I see, I see people complaining about the singapore govt (sometimes with no good objective view ). This is so sad.
YOu can support PAP. YOU can go and support their ways, their greedy ways. NOthing sad about it. They just don't deserve our respect. -
Ice Drive
No disrespect to you but if you continue to stay long enough, you will slowly but surely differentiate the various types of people here.
Namely the politician, the angry electorate, the self-confessed showoff or the I-know-all economic/political gurus, the too-free people etc. Each will has his/her point and contribution.
Many of us may not support PAP because we have strong feelings about certain policies. However, this does not mean that we are acting against the interests of Singapore. It maybe precisely the interests of Singapore we have in heart that we are voicing our opinions here.
We may not all be pro PAP but many are certainly pro Singapore. -
Originally posted by 4sg:
Ice Drive
No disrespect to you but if you continue to stay long enough, you will slowly but surely differentiate the various types of people here.
Namely the politician, the angry electorate, the self-confessed showoff or the I-know-all economic/political gurus, the too-free people etc. Each will has his/her point and contribution.
Many of us may not support PAP because we have strong feelings about certain policies. However, this does not mean that we are acting against the interests of Singapore. It maybe precisely the interests of Singapore we have in heart that we are voicing our opinions here.
We may not all be pro PAP but many are certainly pro Singapore.
-ditto- man, on the last sentence. even when some are offshores....i am the `too free' type btw.
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Every thread I see, I see people complaining about the singapore govt (sometimes with no good objective view ). This is so sad.
If everyone praises and agrees with PAP regime, that will be even sadder.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
well done for pointing that out. If it is just any other Singaporean doing the job, she or he would have been sacked. ho jinx is an exception as she belongs to the lee family.
nathan is a puppet, his masters are senile dictator and hopeless bloody lee hsien loong. IN the history of Singapore, only the beloved late President Ong Teng Cheong dared to ask for it but unfortunately after that someone took over his position. The rule of the game to continue to be PResident in Singapore is never do anything that does not please the senile tyrant and PAP.
Ong Teng Cheong had cancer, so he did not pursued another term.
Facts facts facts.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
Ong Teng Cheong had cancer, so he did not pursued another term.
Facts facts facts.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
I know, but I don't believe 100% he left because of cancer.ok. just remember to include the cancer bit when you want to convince anyone that he didn't leave because of cancer.
By the way, Mr Ong's wife died of cancer in 1999.He ended of his term as president in 1999, and Mr Ong passed away 2002. I think the health reasons is actually very very believable.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
ok. just remember to include the cancer bit when you want to convince anyone that he didn't leave because of cancer.
By the way, Mr Ong's wife died of cancer in 1999.He ended of his term as president in 1999, and Mr Ong passed away 2002. I think the health reasons is actually very very believable.
Any way, most singaporeans like MR Ong the most among the PAP members. I respect this man. -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
Any way, most singaporeans like MR Ong the most among the PAP members. I respect this man.ok
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Originally posted by Ice Dive:
Looks like there is not much supporter of PAP existing in this forum. Every thread I see, I see people complaining about the singapore govt (sometimes with no good objective view ). This is so sad.You will realise that a lot here are just anti-PAP and heap all the blame on them.
And guess what, you may be anti-PAP but the moment you say that you are against what Dr CSJ did to discredit the opposition in the eyes of Singaporeans, they brand you as ass-licking dogs of the regime.
They frequently accuse the regime of being close-minded but frankly speaking, they are no better.
Sometimes, not worth getting pek cek over these bigoted people who just rant and rant against the regime. They are just anarchists who will spare no effort in attributing any pseudo-mistake on the regime. Their raison d'etre exists because the regime is there. Remove the regime and their arguments suddenly sound very hollow and baseless.
Not exactly the kind of civil society we need, right?
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Originally posted by 4sg:
Ice Drive
No disrespect to you but if you continue to stay long enough, you will slowly but surely differentiate the various types of people here.
Namely the politician, the angry electorate, the self-confessed showoff or the I-know-all economic/political gurus, the too-free people etc. Each will has his/her point and contribution.
Many of us may not support PAP because we have strong feelings about certain policies. However, this does not mean that we are acting against the interests of Singapore. It maybe precisely the interests of Singapore we have in heart that we are voicing our opinions here.
We may not all be pro PAP but many are certainly pro Singapore.
Precisely ... with the different type of people around . ( Of cos , there are policies that one could be greatly against with ) . There are not much people who raise or say much on some of the good policies or go against some of those groundless and may I say ( not so sensible ) posts .... hmm.....It makes me wonder where did the "hate" come from .
I am actually neutral to PAP.
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Originally posted by Ice Dive:
Precisely ... with the different type of people around . ( Of cos , there are policies that one could be greatly against with ) . There are not much people who raise or say much on some of the good policies or go against some of those groundless and may I say ( not so sensible ) posts .... hmm.....It makes me wonder where did the "hate" come from .
I am actually neutral to PAP.
Don't think you will ever find the type of forumers you want to see in any forums. Forums is a cyber public place where u meet people from all walks of life.The only time you can control the audience type is when you own your forum.
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Originally posted by Ice Dive:
Precisely ... with the different type of people around . ( Of cos , there are policies that one could be greatly against with ) . There are not much people who raise or say much on some of the good policies or go against some of those groundless and may I say ( not so sensible ) posts .... hmm.....It makes me wonder where did the "hate" come from .
I am actually neutral to PAP.
YOu have unrealistic expectations thus you will never be happy in any forums you surf and browse.
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Are there two Charles "Chip" Goodyears? One was born in 1958, and the other in 1933! They even have the same parents! Can this be true, or is one of them an impostor?
In the morning an interesting and documented article on this incredible fact will appear in the blog, www.johnharding.com.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
IN the history of Singapore, only the beloved late President Ong Teng Cheong dared to ask for it but unfortunately after that someone took over his position. The rule of the game to continue to be PResident in Singapore is never do anything that does not please the senile tyrant and PAP.
Interestingly, the only 2 Presidents that did not get a state funeral was Devan Nair and Ong Teng Cheong. For Devan Nair - it was understandable since he had to step down due to alcoholism (but I personally feel that he was still a President and for the so called slight personal problem, he still did his job as President in a dignified way for most part, and deserved a state funeral).Ong Teng Cheong retired gracefully like former President Wee Kim Wee. Yet Wee Kim Wee got a state funeral but Ong Teng Cheong did not. Did Singaporeans ever wonder why? Because Ong Teng Cheong did his best to do his job to test the boundaries of the elected Presidency by daring to ask questions about the country's reserves and daring to speak out that he was hindered in his role. This takes courage and integrity. Hats off the the man, woo-hooo!
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
If everyone praises and agrees with PAP regime, that will be even sadder.
I agree. I am not into PAP bashing, or criticise the ruling party just for the sake of it. But I believe in the saying that "absolute power corrupts absolutely". History has proven this correct. However, well intentioned the original aim was, over time human nature takes a selfish road because there is an intrinsic self-preservation mode built into human pysche.
Look at the communists - the original intention was to get rid of abuse and unfairness by the rich, the royal and the landed. But in the end, what happens? After the so-called class struggle - there are still the rich, the royal and the landed (the new communist ruling elite). But they are so entrenched, no one dared questioned them for decades!
Remember the book "Animal Farm" by George Orwell? In the book, the animals revolted against the farmers but in the end, among them, the pigs brainwashed the rest of the animals so that the animals give up their will, rights and liberty.
So while PAP has done much for Singapore in the past, and had generally been an efficient government, that does not mean that they will remain so. The future belongs to us - not a single political party. We must have alternative voices to keep not just PAP but any future ruling party in check - because absolutely power corrupts absolutely.
Multi-party systems in other countries may be more messy, but we have to live with that for liberty. Quoting a Christian scripture (which is also a value shared by all other religions) - "man does not live by bread alone." Thus, material wealth aka a strong economy while important, is on its own not enough for a good life. It is not a good enough justification to agree to chain down your human spirit, your creative mind, your independant thoughts, your integrity. Man is meant to be free.
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Originally posted by Ice Dive:
Looks like there is not much supporter of PAP existing in this forum. Every thread I see, I see people complaining about the singapore govt (sometimes with no good objective view ). This is so sad.I won't say there are many anti PAP or pro government people here. many repeat themselves a thousand times in every topics.