Oz Army called in to help battle fires in Victoria
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Originally posted by webben:
The problem is that lionnoisy is trying to speculate, and he's doing a lousy job. The services are doing their best and people are suffering tremendously, and here comes a buffoon pretending to know better than everybody else. It's misinformation and downright of negative value. He is not qualified to call such judgements of the premier, the CFA, the ADF, and the PM, and clearly not qualified to speculate on where the fires are headed.
If he kept this thread to news aggregation then it would be useful, but his poor speculation is grating. Sure, it's his thread, but it's still a publication on the Internet for others to read and to be misinformed by. He has made his idiocy public so deserves to be called an idiot publicly.
I hope there is a better way than ganging up and mass flaming this lionnoisy...I mean sometimes his gan chiong commentary can be quite funny also right?
No matter what you all would like to call him as, but at least give him some credit for being a PERSISTENT one ok?
Having some peace is always better than having no peace at all...
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Originally posted by parn:
No matter what you all would like to call him as, but at least give him some credit for being a PERSISTENT one ok?
Do tell - just what credit is there in being a perpetual dirty cunt?
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Do tell - just what credit is there in being a perpetual dirty cunt?
Parn say already mah
Nice word: PERSISTENT
Never say only
Not nice word: IRRITATING
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Irritating filthy cunt?
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Singapore also got fires
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At least the Oz army was mobilised to save the lives of citizens in a fire storm that threatens homes and acres of nature reserves with precious wild life.
The Singapore Govenment will mobilise the SAF troopers to uselessly stand around and surround a small knoll of a molehill - that features a small community park - and hope to catch Mas Selamat Khastari on the run.
The Singapore Government did not want the NSF boys to get hurt in a clash with a supposedly desparate and limping MSK.
So much for all the guts and glory video featuring the SAF at work.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Do tell - just what credit is there in being a perpetual dirty cunt?
No need to be rude, nobody can understand what's the cause of it if you only know how to spew vulgarities. -
How many more deaths do oz Authority need before they change the
Stay and Defence Policy?reda the map i posted ytd for location
of Healsville.i feel they are going to fight with a fire dragon.
Do u think Victoria Premier and PM Rudd shall make a
decision now ?
Toolangi residents vow to fight bushfires
The Age -just 10 km north of Healsville''The Country Fire Authority told a community meeting this morning not to expect a "fire truck in your driveway" or a "knock on your front door" if the blaze rips through the town.
"Don't leave late, start thinking about it now," a CFA officer told the crowd.
"Stay calm, we've got time on our hands, as soon as we get stressed we are going to make stupid decisions."
Few admit to being nervous, and most are adamant they can defeat the looming fire as debate rages about whether the longstanding policy of "stay-and-defend or leave early" should be revised.
Ernie Hartnall and his wife Robyn said they had no fear despite acknowledging Toolangi could be obliterated in the same way as nearby Kinglake and Marysville.
"Year after year, every summer for 42 years, you sit and wait and watch and wonder is it going to happen," Mr Hartnall said.''
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Originally posted by parn:
No need to be rude, nobody can understand what's the cause of it if you only know how to spew vulgarities.You're reading too much into it. There's nothing to understand apart from the fact that he's a filthy cunt, and his parents are dirty fucks for blowing the dog and shitting him out. That's all there is to it.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
How many more deaths do oz Authority need before they change the
Stay and Defence Policy?reda the map i posted ytd for location
of Healsville.i feel they are going to fight with a fire dragon.
Two things.
It has been proven safer to stay in your home than to flee at the last moment. The CFA is offering two possibilities - to flee early or to stay. Leaving late is the worst possible action. Yes, many many people died on Saturday after staying, but the fact remains based on historical evidence that had those people left at the late stage then they would have been statistically worse off.
The current fires, while geographically enormous, are not the same beast as the fire at the weekend. You can not compare geographic size to the danger of extreme heat and wind. Note that the 2006-2007 bushfires burnt twice the area of the last week, and resulted in only two fatalities.
Again, please stop pretending to be an expert of something you're clearly not.
Pull down your pants and anser this: what is your knowledge of the affected areas? Have you even been there? Where to? For how long?
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Hi mates,
before u sleep,can u imagine u will stay in a building which is on fires?
Or wil u stay in a house where the neighbours are on fires?
wat the hell if some bodies ask u to do so?
This is wat are happening in oz .The authority do not ask people
to leave their houses whcih will at very high risks!!
I am talking of few small townships,abt few thousands lives invovled!!
The towns are in between 2 huge fires.Any winds will make fires
run over the towns without mercy!!pl read map below.
can u guys help me tell 747 Rudd wake up.
How can u let people decide when people cannot make a correct decision
becos they are so attached to their houses.
Will a fireman drag a man from a burning house.Yes,all firemen will do so.
But what we are seeing now is the authority just let people
to stay and risk their lives to fight with brush fires?
I cant understand the logic here.
But i am glad that they ask people to make their mind NOW.
i thinkCFA has changed the advices,following the potential
300 deaths toll.
http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/incidents/incident_updates.htm#1477097663340
Awareness Message - Yea Murrindindi Fire 9.30pm
Awareness Message for residents in the Scrubby Creek, Molesworth area
12/02/2009''Incident Information
Residents in the Scrubby Creek Road, Molesworth area are to be advis...
''Decide now if you are going to stay or go. Remember that it is very dangerous to leave late with a fire in the area. Road use in the area will be extremely hazardous due to low visibility from smoke. Watch out for fallen trees, power lines, abandoned cars, wildlife and emergency services vehicles.''
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Some morons think that every other country is the size of pee sai Singapore.
Compare the size of Australia with Singapore?
Even with the puny size of Singapore, the Singapore government with all it's resources can't find a handicapped old man. What more can be said if the Singapore government actually run the fire department in Australia?
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read how reporter tell his deadly escape.note if there were any warnings...
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lionnoisy,
What is your plan of action if you were the fire chief of Victoria???
Or
Are you the bastard that kicks a stranger in the groin based on his race, when he trips and falls?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
read how reporter tell his deadly escape.note if there were any warnings...
You didn't answer my questions.
Everybody, listen up. We can safely say Lionnoisy has never been to the affected areas and knows sweet fuck-all about them.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Some morons think that every other country is the size of pee sai Singapore.
Compare the size of Australia with Singapore?
Even with the puny size of Singapore, the Singapore government with all it's resources can't find a handicapped old man. What more can be said if the Singapore government actually run the fire department in Australia?
agree.but is a fire 3 times of SG is small?Only one week has passed.
wat if the fires continue few more weeks,wat if wind speed up,
change direction,.......
Statewide fires -size in ha---(100 ha= one km square)(SG is 700 sq km)
BEECHWORTH - LIBRARY RD 8KM S BEECHWORTH 18:11 Feb 12 Going 30700 CHURCHILL - JEERALANG 2KM SE CHURCHILL 23:24 Feb 12 Going 35886 2km SSE Murrindindi 1:22 Feb 13 Going 108000 5Km east of Kilmore 16:38 Feb 12 Going 116400 -
As a participant of sgForums, I am requesting that this topic be closed, because it promotes lionnoisy's racial discrimination against a friendly nation.
I doubt any of the forumers have any positive reaction to lionnoisy's post.
This topic is a waste of storage space, other than to advance lionnoisy's racial persecutions of Australia.
The high number of views are a result of folks taking interest to lionnoisy's bashing, it's more like a "freak show" rather than something productive.
lionnoisy is also not participating in any discussion, he is just copy and pasting negative issues regarding Australia.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
agree.but is a fire 3 times of SG is small?Only one week has passed.
wat if the fires continue few more weeks,wat if wind speed up,
change direction,.......
Statewide fires -size in ha---(100 ha= one km square)(SG is 700 sq km)
BEECHWORTH - LIBRARY RD
8KM S BEECHWORTH
18:11 Feb 12
Going
30700
CHURCHILL - JEERALANG
2KM SE CHURCHILL
23:24 Feb 12
Going
35886
2km SSE Murrindindi
1:22 Feb 13
Going
108000
5Km east of Kilmore
16:38 Feb 12
Going
116400You are really clueless about my comments.
Since when did I mention size of fire?
Suggest you go eagle's tuition center and learn some proper English.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
lionnoisy,
What is your plan of action if you were the fire chief of Victoria???
Or
Are you the bastard that kicks a stranger in the groin based on his race, when he trips and falls?
ddd
i will order mandatory evacuations NOW for the few towns
in between two big fires.my reasons are below within the quotes.
There are no benefits more important than lives.
This is a sin to put so many weak and infirm at risks.
Costs are peanuts compared with lives.
Leave now,mates.
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But the politicians always do not pick the BEST decision for the people.
becos people,including me,are not rational and short meomory.
People always foreget there is NO perfect policy.
They always blame politicians.I dunt blame politicians that they
do not pick up the policy best for people.
They just pick the policy best for themselves.
Costs ,benefits and risks of late evacuation
My impression of oz plan is stay to the last minutes.
Take Healsvellie yesterday warning as example.
DSE just warned residents in
''Dowd Road, Romeo Road, Anderson Road, Gibbs Road, Juliet Avenue and Donald Street in Healesville''
Fire updates - further information about significant firesDSE did not warn residents in the same town which is within few km !!
So,if the above locations are attacked by fires,how about the other locations
in the same town?Some survivours said the fires came like a train!!
Costs
Lifes.
Benefits
May be it can save the house by staying late.
Risks
Hurt and deaths.
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Costs,risks and benefits to the authority if impose mandatory evacuations
Currently,it is up to residensts to decide when to leave .
Mandatory evacuations mean the authority order residents to leave the house
if the threats is very high.
Costs
Financially-----cater for foods and loadgings
Politically-----people make noise and lose votes
Legally----Authority may be sued if house burst down after mandatory evacuated.
Benefits
save lifes.
2.Catch 22 situation.
People seldom thank you decisions of politicians.
In this case,people will blame if they are mandatory evacuated and the
house has not been affected.People also blame if their house burnt down.
Their reasons would''If i stay benind,i can save my house.''
People just blame if somethings happen.
So,the benefits are too remote.
Risks
Tied up to costs listed above.Losing votes---the most important factor!!
Conclusions of the authority
Mandatory evacuation is not a good option---for the authority!!
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what a good gavaman or authority shall do?
Let the residents to decide?
Gavaman take the resposibility to order evacuation if the risks too high?
u tell me lah?
nnnn
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
ddd
i will order mandatory evacuations NOW for the few towns
in between two big fires.my reasons are below within the quotes.
There are no benefits more important than lives.
This is a sin to put so many weak and infirm at risks.
Costs are peanuts compared with lives.
Leave now,mates.
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But the politicians always do not pick the BEST decision for the people.
becos people,including me,are not rational and short meomory.
People always foreget there is NO perfect policy.
They always blame politicians.I dunt blame politicians that they
do not pick up the policy best for people.
They just pick the policy best for themselves.
nnnn
Cut and paste again?
Just look at your format, I can't be bothered to read.
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have oz accepted SG offer of Super Puma?
The mighty Uncle Sam also accepts SG offer Of Chinook
in Katrina.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
All those who think that this topic should be locked, please send a request to the moderator FireIce.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:ddd
i will order mandatory evacuations NOW for the few towns
in between two big fires.my reasons are below within the quotes.
There are no benefits more important than lives.
This is a sin to put so many weak and infirm at risks.
Costs are peanuts compared with lives.
Leave now,mates.
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But the politicians always do not pick the BEST decision for the people.
becos people,including me,are not rational and short meomory.
People always foreget there is NO perfect policy.
They always blame politicians.I dunt blame politicians that they
do not pick up the policy best for people.
They just pick the policy best for themselves.
nnnn
Cut and paste again?
Just look at your format, I can't be bothered to read.
The above in red is written by me few days ago in this thread.
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Costs ,benefits and risks of late evacuation
Costs,risks and benefits to the authority if impose mandatory evacuations
listed above is my master piece.Thank you.Thank you.ha ha.
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Dunt blamt politicians who do not pick up the best policy for people.
Only the very brave politicians can do so.
Like LKY and the Old Gurads implement the NS was an good example
of brave politicians!!
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one huy says oz is very big...
pl drop two zero from ha below then u can convert to square km.
SG is 700 sq km.for example,450,000 ha is 4,500 km2=6 times
of SG!!!
''More than 450,000 hectares of land has been blackened, with 1,069 homes destroyed.''
Firefighters make progress
February 13, 2009 01:54am
A SPELL of cool, calmer weather has allowed firefighters to build new control lines and extend others as Victoria's bushfire crisis enters its sixth day with 15 blazes still out of control.
Cool conditions had reduced the intensity of many fires, allowing fire crews to backburn, fortify control lines and black out areas they had not previously been able to reach, Department of Sustainability and Environment spokesman Kevin Monk said.
But the race was on to get on top of the Victoria fires before expected extreme temperatures and hot northerly winds by Wednesday and the possibility of lightning strikes on Monday that could start new fires.
Up to 60 bulldozers were working to build control lines on the eastern edge of the 108,000 Yea-Murrindini fires, a part of the massive Kinglake Complex that has so far claimed 147 lives, he said.
"We've done a lot of consolidation work on our fire lines and some of our crews are having a rest,'' Mr Monk said.Work on the Yea-Murrindindi fore would better protect communities near Alexandra in the north and Healesville in the south, Mr Monk said.
Communities in Healesville, Chum Creek, Badger Creek, Steels Creek, Dixons Creek, Yarra Glen, Toolangi and Castella were advised to remain alert to fire activity.
The 25,000ha Bunyip Ridge fire remained quiet during the cool weather, allowing firefighters to black out and mop up in troublesome sectors of the blaze, he said.
There are fears that the Bunyip Ridge blaze in Gippsland and the Yea-Murrindindi fires to the north may join unless protective work being carried out succeeds.
Melbourne's already drought-starved water catchments could also be under threat by fires sparked by lightning strikes near Healesville and Warburton, just east of Melbourne.
Major fires still burning out of control include the Churchill-Jeeralang fire (21 fatalities, 36,000ha) and the Beechworth blaze (two fatalities, 30,700ha).
Two other blazes, at Dargo in the high country (15,000ha) and at Wilsons Promontory (2,850ha) are burning unchecked in inaccessible country.
The death toll from the Victorian bushfires is expected to rise well over the 181 confirmed fatalities already recorded.
More than 450,000 hectares of land has been blackened, with 1,069 homes destroyed.
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