Migration - a decision of no return.
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don't know why the topic on "dozens leaving Australia for good" was locked. in that thread, a question from fishbuff1 was directing at me and I feel compelled to reply.
"have u consider moving back to malaysia since u are a malaysian?"
I am not a malaysian. I was born in Malaysia, part of my education was done in Singapore, I served NS and now a reservist. I was officially granted singapore citizenship according to the constitution of Singapore. so there is no question about moving back as a malaysian.
We moved to Singapore because my father decided on where his new home should be, and he sold everything he had to move here. there was never any consideration that we might want to go back to Malaysia. and when my parents moved to Malaysia, they never thought they would want to go back to China.
In today's situation, one can easily find out what is life in another country. many young couples are even taking up jobs in many other countries to try out what life is like out side singapore. these are not migration, singapore remain their homes.
To migrate means to uproot and move to another place and build homes there. That is what my parents did when they left malaysia.
I have been to Australia, America and Canada and many other countries many many times, on business and on leisure trips. I enjoy the countries, different life styles of different people in different countries. Singapore is too small and certainly cannot give me the kind of variety in lives. No four seasons, natural scenary.....but Singapore is my home.
Migrating is no trial and error, it is a decision, once made, no return, no regret. may be my children may want to move out of Singapore and live somewhere else, that is their choice.
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this will be my only post here:
live n let live. you found your calling here, good for you. for the rest who choose to live a different life, let them be.
"those who migrate never learn to take a place a home, they will forever be wondering around. good luck to them." why spit on your own father?
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You should go to Penang.
It's a nice place to live for chinese in Malaysia.
I have some relatives there.
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The fore-fathers of almost everyone migrated here. They made a good move. Then a dishonorable despot, cursed and despicable set up a system and make the country fit only for asslicking dogs.
If you have no desire to taste sh!t, licking ass-hole, you either pretend all is well, try to help change the system and get knocked like Dr Chee Soon Juan or you migrate. If you look at what Dr Chee has to go through, migration is an honorable option! Pity the Singapore youths.
Let the dogs continue to lick cursed ass-holes to get ahead in life.
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no, not true. migration is not a decision of no return. i know of someone who migrated to u.s. but came back to sg after a few years. on the other hand, one of my relatives who has been residing in hk for 20 years but was posted to work here last year, says that she still prefers hk. i would say to migrate or not is to each his/her own.
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home is where yr heart is..
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:...
if u have tasted emigration, 99% probabilty is that you will emigrate again.
there is no shame in professing one's wish to move again, but denying and holding a false front will be. just like one of the nick here, who went around professing his patriotism to SG but pm me asking me for info on OZ emigration.
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Many people work out their fantanies in the internet, don't you know?
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To all contemplating migration.
Please spare a thought for your comrades that will be left behind.
Do it one more time for your country.
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I like to know is it possible to migrate to taiwan? is taiwan an internationally recognized country given its history with china ?
do you know of singaporeans who are now taiwanese?
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Originally posted by fishbuff1:
if u have tasted emigration, 99% probabilty is that you will emigrate again.
there is no shame in professing one's wish to move again, but denying and holding a false front will be. just like one of the nick here, who went around professing his patriotism to SG but pm me asking me for info on OZ emigration.
My family's migration to Singapore was my dad's decision. I came as a small kid. I have enjoyed my stay in Singapore, the schools, the society, and even NS. I was given a chance to denounce Singapore citizenship, but I accepted (and then went NS).
My jobs has given me the opportunties to travel to many countries. Just before 1997, the hongkongers were desperately looking for a new country; indonesians chinese left Indonesia for good after the last racial riots; many taiwanese were desperately looking for new place to live when China (PRC) responded to ah bian's policy on taiwan independence; malaysian chinese are constantly looking to migrate to a place where they don't have to be second class citizens. All these happened within my life time, and I have always asked myself, discussed with my wife and friends, should we move out of singapore? my final answer is, you can locked in, NO.
What I am saying is that migrating is a major decision that warrant lots of deliberation and discussions within the family. If we were not sure, we could, thank God, afford to go and try out for ourselves what life would be like. Migration is not a habit, not tradition. It is a conscious decision, to say yes or no.
My parents couldn't call China home; they also cannot call Malaysia home (he speaks only hainanese and mandarin); he finally settled in Singapore where he calls home. I call Singapore home. But if my children would later find another place to build their home, it is their decisions.
I agree with you whole heartedly, there is no need to put up a falsefront, it is not a shameful thing to migrate or not to migrate. Just dont talk about migrating but leave their CPF here, just in case; and there is no need come here to justify their decision by putting Singapore down. Actually, those who stay in Singapore are not necessarily patriotic to Singapore, they just have no where to go.
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Originally posted by likedatosocan:
To all contemplating migration.
Please spare a thought for your comrades that will be left behind.
Do it one more time for your country.
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I like to know is it possible to migrate to taiwan? is taiwan an internationally recognized country given its history with china ?
do you know of singaporeans who are now taiwanese?
there are many taiwanese who are now singaporeans. taiwan is internationally recognized as part of China.why do you want to migrate to taiwan? hehehe, you will have to do NS in Taiwan you know.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
there are many taiwanese who are now singaporeans. taiwan is internationally recognized as part of China.why do you want to migrate to taiwan? hehehe, you will have to do NS in Taiwan you know.
what nonsense u talking.
there is no more NS in taiwan now.
they have dispatch ns becuz i think taiwan guys all getting more and more gu niang
and yes i am from taiwan
but i don't mind serving NS
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
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I agree with you whole heartedly, there is no need to put up a falsefront, it is not a shameful thing to migrate or not to migrate. Just dont talk about migrating but leave their CPF here, just in case; and there is no need come here to justify their decision by putting Singapore down. Actually, those who stay in Singapore are not necessarily patriotic to Singapore, they just have no where to go.
well, im particular of being called a "quitter" by someone that is not native to singapore.
im a 3rd generation singaporean and it irritates me alot to hear how foreign-borned nationals who took up recent SG citizenship and jump onto the bandwagons of PAP suckups to dennounce the exodus of singaporeans to other countries.
that is why i distinctively remember your posting quite "fondly".
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Originally posted by fishbuff1:
well, im particular of being called a "quitter" by someone that is not native to singapore.
im a 3rd generation singaporean and it irritates me alot to hear how foreign-borned nationals who took up recent SG citizenship and jump onto the bandwagons of PAP suckups to dennounce the exodus of singaporeans to other countries.
that is why i distinctively remember your posting quite "fondly".
cant u see they like to play along...until they get their green card and Work permit to other countries like Australia, USA ect.
If i am the PAPA, i will impose sanctions on them if they revoke their PR and try to fly off to countries without giving birth to children in sg to serve NS.
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They should scrap NS.
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Originally posted by [J]erry:
what nonsense u talking.
there is no more NS in taiwan now.
they have dispatch ns becuz i think taiwan guys all getting more and more gu niang
and yes i am from taiwan
but i don't mind serving NS
taiwan still have NS....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_Republic_of_China
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i beleive foreigner if they want to revoke should pay tax to cover the cost of NS
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These foreigners after serve NS I think they will move off after a few years.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
taiwan still have NS....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_Republic_of_China
er no there is no need to.
its not complusary.
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Originally posted by [J]erry:
er no there is no need to.
its not complusary.
yes, it is compulsary... show me some source or news that says it is not compulsory bah... than i will definitely agree with you
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its not complusary.
We should follow Taiwan and scrap the NS.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
don't know why the topic on "dozens leaving Australia for good" was locked. in that thread, a question from fishbuff1 was directing at me and I feel compelled to reply.
"have u consider moving back to malaysia since u are a malaysian?"
I am not a malaysian. I was born in Malaysia, part of my education was done in Singapore, I served NS and now a reservist. I was officially granted singapore citizenship according to the constitution of Singapore. so there is no question about moving back as a malaysian.
We moved to Singapore because my father decided on where his new home should be, and he sold everything he had to move here. there was never any consideration that we might want to go back to Malaysia. and when my parents moved to Malaysia, they never thought they would want to go back to China.
In today's situation, one can easily find out what is life in another country. many young couples are even taking up jobs in many other countries to try out what life is like out side singapore. these are not migration, singapore remain their homes.
To migrate means to uproot and move to another place and build homes there. That is what my parents did when they left malaysia.
I have been to Australia, America and Canada and many other countries many many times, on business and on leisure trips. I enjoy the countries, different life styles of different people in different countries. Singapore is too small and certainly cannot give me the kind of variety in lives. No four seasons, natural scenary.....but Singapore is my home.
Migrating is no trial and error, it is a decision, once made, no return, no regret. may be my children may want to move out of Singapore and live somewhere else, that is their choice.
if you find somewhere you belonging to , then it's your home, even you migrate to America, though you are not called native American, but you are American indeed,
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my final answer is, you can locked in, NO.
What you mean by that?
But if my children would later find another place to build their home, it is their decisions.
Currnetly, the US trade is about $15 trillion and China is about $1.5 trillion. In about 25 years times, China will surpass the US as the number 1 economy in the world.
Seriously, your children will be better off working and living in China.I agree with you whole heartedly, there is no need to put up a falsefront, it is not a shameful thing to migrate or not to migrate. Actually, those who stay in Singapore are not necessarily patriotic to Singapore, they just have no where to go.
I knew of a Sri Lanka refugee, family members all died in war. Air-lifted to start a new life in Finland.
Long story shortened, he slogged to get three master degrees and he told me this - many countries offered him citizenship, US, britain, finland, etc and he can walk into any country to apply for citizenship.
But he choose Singaporea and I was curious. Apparently, he chose here for practical reason - love. He married a Singapore Indian air stewardess.
My point is this - if anyone wishes to migrate - be prepare to have financial, business or academic resource to do so. If you have it, you can be like my friend - a global citizen of the world. -
I think the rage these days is for PRs to write to the papers and requesting to have certain privileges from the government.
Quite a few recently.
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a global citizen of the world.
No roots.
Everywhere he goes, people say he foreigner.