Who truely sincerely supports PAP in this forum?
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
you are now officially counted as "1".
actually that's all, remember the objective of this thread is: who and how many - so there's meat pao and it's "1".... the why is never part of the issue.
no need to enter into an ideological argument with poh... because that's not part of his stated objective.
however, i believe his real intention is to find some "REAL" PAP fans to argue with... so unless you are prepared to go the long haul.... it is absolutely unnecessary.
Unker, you so free as to argue with this bunch of nutcases? -
Are poh and pkyap secret agents from PAP sent to discredit the opposition? Seems to be a winning formula so far hmm...
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Unker, you so free as to argue with this bunch of nutcases?
c'mon... i am just having fun....
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Originally posted by crimson soldier:
Are poh and pkyap secret agents from PAP sent to discredit the opposition? Seems to be a winning formula so far hmm...
Poh Ah Pek.... PkyAP..... coincidence??? I THINK NOT!
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The ministers get high pay, so what, at least not like zimbabwe. We still have high standards of living. What i dont like is the 2 long NS yrs and the ban on this and that.
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Originally posted by dadeadman1337:
The ministers get high pay, so what, at least not like zimbabwe. We still have high standards of living. What i dont like is the 2 long NS yrs and the ban on this and that.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Yet Iceland was nearly bankrupt (Actually they did) and had to borrow money from the IMF in the recent financial crisis. I don't see how allowing that to happen is any indication of a "developed" country, especially the one that scored the highest.
Before the crisis Iceland had virtually no public debt at all. In Singapore it was already then 96,3 % of the GDP. This is one of the biggest figures in the world, and Iceland is still nowhere near it despite all the hardship they're going through.
All this is rather irrelevant though, as the financial crisis have nothing to do with democracy, but with capitalism. Authoritarian regime therefore does not protect capitalist Singapore from economic crisis.
The rest of the world(Asia/Middle East/Africa) was also colonized and prevented from developing a developed country until after WW2. It's unfair to expect them to develop much when their raw materials are constantly taken and send to Europe/America for development for a spittle of what they're worth.
So why is it any surprise that the top 21 of the HDI short of Japan are all European countries and America?
Many of the 18 European countries that are according to the HDI better off than Singapore are relatively young states, for example Slovenia was established in 1991.
Even in Asia Singapore is by no means holding a leading position, being placed between Brunei and Kuwait far behind Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong. I personally can't see how an authoritarian regime would contribute to high standard of life, when both globally and in Asia the top nations are liberal democracies.
Even more so as the rise of South Korea began when the authoritarian regime was forced to allow democratic reforms in the late 1980's.
And do not forget, Japan did not have to return the loot it took from SEA during WW2. Neither did it pay any official war reparations for the damage it has done.
This is not true. In the treaty of San Francisco (1951) Japan lost its vast overseas assets and later (1955-59) did several bilateral treaties to make up for the damage with countries where the assets didn't cover them. All in all Japan had to pay what is about 500 billion Singapore dollars in today's money. Only after the treaty did Japan's economy first start to grow again.
South Korea's military government got its initial funding for economic development by sending 300,000 troops for the Vietnam war, receiving a total of 3 billion dollars worth of loans for their assistance. They got their economic and industry development through heavy foreign loans, resulting in their vulnerability to every single financial crisis.
And today South Korea's foreign debt equals to 18,25 % of their GDP. In Singapore it is 11,27 %. The difference is rather marginal, especially as the total amount of public debt is a lot lower in South Korea (28,2 % of GDP).
Everyone sees the development of the West and their "liberal" democracy and yet fail to see the immense amount of suffering they inflicted upon others before to achieve it.
What happened before the countries became liberal democracies is not the fault of liberal democracy. It's the fault of the authoritarian regimes that ruled these countries back then.
Personally, i'd rather the government oppress us than have my hands and those of the generations after stained with the blood and suffering of the oppressed.
Personally, I don't see why the Japanese or the Germans of today would be collectively responsible for something that happened before they were even born.
Every nation has its dark moments, and the most important duty of the future generations is to ensure that those dark times will never return. Liberal democracy has so far proved to be the best tool for that.
And i agree with Meat Pao, i'm a person that prefers to exist for the State than have the State exist for the people.
For the simple reason that when the State exist for the people, it will exist for the group of people who make the most amount of noise not the most reasonable.
In other words it's better if someone who has "proven" to be reasonable by joining the PAP and rising to a leading position arbitrarily decides the right and the wrong for everyone?
I'd still take the liberal democracy where the majority of the people expresses their will and the constitution protects the rights of the minority that disagrees.
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Originally posted by Lauri:
Before the crisis Iceland had virtually no public debt at all. In Singapore it was already then 96,3 % of the GDP. This is one of the biggest figures in the world, and Iceland is still nowhere near it despite all the hardship they're going through.
All this is rather irrelevant though, as the financial crisis have nothing to do with democracy, but with capitalism. Authoritarian regime therefore does not protect capitalist Singapore from economic crisis.
Many of the 18 European countries that are according to the HDI better off than Singapore are relatively young states, for example Slovenia was established in 1991.
Even in Asia Singapore is by no means holding a leading position, being placed between Brunei and Kuwait far behind Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong. I personally can't see how an authoritarian regime would contribute to high standard of life, when both globally and in Asia the top nations are liberal democracies.
Even more so as the rise of South Korea began when the authoritarian regime was forced to allow democratic reforms in the late 1980's.
This is not true. In the treaty of San Francisco (1951) Japan lost its vast overseas assets and later (1955-59) did several bilateral treaties to make up for the damage with countries where the assets didn't cover them. All in all Japan had to pay what is about 500 billion Singapore dollars in today's money. Only after the treaty did Japan's economy first start to grow again.
And today South Korea's foreign debt equals to 18,25 % of their GDP. In Singapore it is 11,27 %. The difference is rather marginal, especially as the total amount of public debt is a lot lower in South Korea (28,2 % of GDP).
What happened before the countries became liberal democracies is not the fault of liberal democracy. It's the fault of the authoritarian regimes that ruled these countries back then.
Personally, I don't see why the Japanese or the Germans of today would be collectively responsible for something that happened before they were even born.
Every nation has its dark moments, and the most important duty of the future generations is to ensure that those dark times will never return. Liberal democracy has so far proved to be the best tool for that.
In other words it's better if someone who has "proven" to be reasonable by joining the PAP and rising to a leading position arbitrarily decides the right and the wrong for everyone?
I'd still take the liberal democracy where the majority of the people expresses their will and the constitution protects the rights of the minority that disagrees.
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i know the reason y the gahmen likes foreigners.
Ans: because nobody from its land love them. Y? because they r so freaking peeved me off
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
c'mon... i am just having fun....
Have fun with them unker, but remember to return them to IMH after you have finished playing with them. -
i was forced to give up my life twice and even that was not enough...it appears they want my soul.
ive supported and gave my country many times over and what did they do for me???
they never gave me a decent job.......its all my own hard werk.....when i asked them stat board people for interview ...i end up getting no job or the worse job in the entire region.might as well kill me.
i have to compete n fight for my job with millions of foreigners and im highly educaTED N SKILLED.
GIMME A GOOD REASON WHY I SHOULD SUPPORT PAP?I SUPPORT SINGAPORE...NEVER A USELESS ORGANISATION THAT CLAIMS ITS SINGAPORE!
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Originally posted by Gattlinggun2000:
i was forced to give up my life twice and even that was not enough...it appears they want my soul.
ive supported and gave my country many times over and what did they do for me???
they never gave me a decent job.......its all my own hard werk.....when i asked them stat board people for interview ...i end up getting no job or the worse job in the entire region.might as well kill me.
i have to compete n fight for my job with millions of foreigners and im highly educaTED N SKILLED.
GIMME A GOOD REASON WHY I SHOULD SUPPORT PAP?I SUPPORT SINGAPORE...NEVER A USELESS ORGANISATION THAT CLAIMS ITS SINGAPORE!
I was'nt aware the government owed you a living, or a job for that matter. If you really are as highly educated and skilled as you claim, there should be no shortage or job opportunities for you.
Just out of curiousity, what are you highly skilled in? Construction work? If its that then i can understand why you don't have a job
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Originally posted by Gattlinggun2000:
i was forced to give up my life twice and even that was not enough...it appears they want my soul.
ive supported and gave my country many times over and what did they do for me???
they never gave me a decent job.......its all my own hard werk.....when i asked them stat board people for interview ...i end up getting no job or the worse job in the entire region.might as well kill me.
i have to compete n fight for my job with millions of foreigners and im highly educaTED N SKILLED.
GIMME A GOOD REASON WHY I SHOULD SUPPORT PAP?I SUPPORT SINGAPORE...NEVER A USELESS ORGANISATION THAT CLAIMS ITS SINGAPORE!
Don't support loh. Opposition will give you job. Go find them.It is the govt fault that you don't have a job, not your fault.
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It is the govt fault that you don't have a job
To a certain extent that is true, since the PAP regime is in charge of economic plans, creating jobs, investment etc.
For example losing about 100 billion in foreign investments and creating jobs for foreigners.
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to chrisxxxx:
perhaps u are in construction......im far more practical than go into that.i actually think and not assume from my ass like most people do.
to skywood:
whoever told u supporting left,right ,up down is goin to give u a job!!!!stop playing computer games and think fer a change b4 posting yer dumbness here.
I BLAME THE PRESENT GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS THE OPPOSITION FOR DOING TOO LITTLE AND ALMOST NOTHING.
U CAN AL;L SCREW YERSELVES NOW B4 YOU ALL GROW OLD N TOO WEAK TO SCREW.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
It is the govt fault that you don't have a job
To a certain extent that is true, since the PAP regime is in charge of economic plans, creating jobs, investment etc.
For example losing about 100 billion in foreign investments and creating jobs for foreigners.
What you say is true, but it does'nt help that Singaporeans are so picky when it comes to jobs. Many companies would rather hire foreigners than Singaporeans simply because foreigners are cheaper. Whats the PAP supposed to do? Impose a quota that restrict the employment of foreigners? Many MNC's would simply take their business overseas.
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Originally posted by Gattlinggun2000:
to chrisxxxx:
perhaps u are in construction......im far more practical than go into that.i actually think and not assume from my ass like most people do.
to skywood:
whoever told u supporting left,right ,up down is goin to give u a job!!!!stop playing computer games and think fer a change b4 posting yer dumbness here.
I BLAME THE PRESENT GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS THE OPPOSITION FOR DOING TOO LITTLE AND ALMOST NOTHING.
U CAN AL;L SCREW YERSELVES NOW B4 YOU ALL GROW OLD N TOO WEAK TO SCREW.
i was being sarcastic. so many people can find a job, you cannot find. and you blame everyone else, except yourself.
go screw yourself... wait, you are already screwed.
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TO CHRIS 88:
EVEN THOSE WHO ARE GOOD AND NOT PICKY GET KILLED OFF!
THOSE WHO ARE GOOD AND PICKY GET KILLED OFF ARE KIDS!
THE PAP DOES IS BUY THE CHEAPEST THINGS THEY HAVE!
LEMMME GIVE YA AN ANALOGY:
SUOPPOSE YA NEED TO HAVE TO GOTO DONALDS TRUMP'S BUSINESS PARTY...T
THEN U FIND U GOT NO DECENT MAKE UP.......WHAT DO U DO??/BUY THE CHEAPEST MAKE UP N HOPEFULLY MAKE YERSELF LOOK LIKE HIGH SOCIETY??
I THINK NOT!
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Originally posted by Gattlinggun2000:
to chrisxxxx:
perhaps u are in construction......im far more practical than go into that.i actually think and not assume from my ass like most people do.
Perhaps, and if you had read my post properly you would seen that it was merely a guess. And from your brilliant analysis and astounding logic in your above posts in think i can deduce why you do not have a job
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Originally posted by Gattlinggun2000:
TO CHRIS 88:
EVEN THOSE WHO ARE GOOD AND NOT PICKY GET KILLED OFF!
THOSE WHO ARE GOOD AND PICKY GET KILLED OFF ARE KIDS!
THE PAP DOES IS BUY THE CHEAPEST THINGS THEY HAVE!
LEMMME GIVE YA AN ANALOGY:
SUOPPOSE YA NEED TO HAVE TO GOTO DONALDS TRUMP'S BUSINESS PARTY...T
THEN U FIND U GOT NO DECENT MAKE UP.......WHAT DO U DO??/BUY THE CHEAPEST MAKE UP N HOPEFULLY MAKE YERSELF LOOK LIKE HIGH SOCIETY??
I THINK NOT!
Brilliant analogy.......
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to wood:
why should i blame myself for no reason???
there are more unemployed singaporeans long before 1990's......
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Originally posted by Gattlinggun2000:
to wood:
why should i blame myself for no reason???
there are more unemployed singaporeans long before 1990's......
A very typical Singaporean mentality
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Originally posted by Gattlinggun2000:
to wood:
why should i blame myself for no reason???
there are more unemployed singaporeans long before 1990's......
There are more employed than unemployed singaporeans long before 1990's. They can get a job, you can't. so who should be blamed? -
YOU SEE...ALL OF U ASSUME LEFT RIGHT UP N DOWN.
LIFE ISNT SO SIMPLE...ITS NEVER BLQACK OR WHITE.....ITS GREY!
DAMN..U ALL NEED TO GET OUT INSTEAD OF PRETENDIN U GOT A FUTURE OR SOMETHING.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
There are more employed than unemployed singaporeans long before 1990's. They can get a job, you can't. so who should be blamed?
I won't add on that those with mental problems , AIDS and whatsoever can get a job.