Do you support Lee Kuan Kuan's policy of killing dialects?
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Originally posted by Meat Pao:
Of course Mandarin should be promoted.
First I do not agree with your sensasionalistic title, "killing dialects"
This is not true, the truth is the opposite, the promotion of Mandarin.
First we have to understand something.
All the dialects are connected, in fact, they are basically the same words, written the same way, but pronounced differently, with some other little differences.
These are basically "dialects" and not a whole new different language.
Therefore, a move towards standardization is not a move to kill a language, but a move to standardize the pronounciatons, accent, and so on.
It is not neccessary to be so anti about it.
In the ancient days, due to distance, and lack of technology, people from one region to another region can refer to the same words or same object but saying it differently. In fact from one village to another village, or from a mountain area to coastal area, the words can be pronounced differently.
Now, there is technology, there is roads, there is media. It is time to standardize everything. It makes sense, and it simplifies, clarifies, everything.
I do not understand whats the big deal about it.
Language is not really extinct, and never extinct. When you adopt Mandarin, it can become your mother tongue and you can think in it, and dream in it, and it can become part of your family tradition too.
It does not mean your family heritage is erased. It means you adopt, absorb, and improve, on a new standardization language, which your ancestors all speak in the ancient days in one form or another.
this is a more sensitive approach to the issue. bravo.
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Originally posted by Meat Pao:
Of course Mandarin should be promoted.
First I do not agree with your sensasionalistic title, "killing dialects"
This is not true, the truth is the opposite, the promotion of Mandarin.
First we have to understand something.
All the dialects are connected, in fact, they are basically the same words, written the same way, but pronounced differently, with some other little differences.
These are basically "dialects" and not a whole new different language.
Therefore, a move towards standardization is not a move to kill a language, but a move to standardize the pronounciatons, accent, and so on.
It is not neccessary to be so anti about it.
In the ancient days, due to distance, and lack of technology, people from one region to another region can refer to the same words or same object but saying it differently. In fact from one village to another village, or from a mountain area to coastal area, the words can be pronounced differently.
Now, there is technology, there is roads, there is media. It is time to standardize everything. It makes sense, and it simplifies, clarifies, everything.
I do not understand whats the big deal about it.
Language is not really extinct, and never extinct. When you adopt Mandarin, it can become your mother tongue and you can think in it, and dream in it, and it can become part of your family tradition too.
It does not mean your family heritage is erased. It means you adopt, absorb, and improve, on a new standardization language, which your ancestors all speak in the ancient days in one form or another.
I don't agree with your views at all. Stop speaking dialect is kill off dialect. Mandarin is mandarin. Dialect is dialect. -
Originally posted by Meat Pao:
Of course Mandarin should be promoted.
First I do not agree with your sensasionalistic title, "killing dialects"
This is not true, the truth is the opposite, the promotion of Mandarin.
First we have to understand something.
All the dialects are connected, in fact, they are basically the same words, written the same way, but pronounced differently, with some other little differences.
These are basically "dialects" and not a whole new different language.
Therefore, a move towards standardization is not a move to kill a language, but a move to standardize the pronounciatons, accent, and so on.
It is not neccessary to be so anti about it.
In the ancient days, due to distance, and lack of technology, people from one region to another region can refer to the same words or same object but saying it differently. In fact from one village to another village, or from a mountain area to coastal area, the words can be pronounced differently.
Now, there is technology, there is roads, there is media. It is time to standardize everything. It makes sense, and it simplifies, clarifies, everything.
I do not understand whats the big deal about it.
Language is not really extinct, and never extinct. When you adopt Mandarin, it can become your mother tongue and you can think in it, and dream in it, and it can become part of your family tradition too.
It does not mean your family heritage is erased. It means you adopt, absorb, and improve, on a new standardization language, which your ancestors all speak in the ancient days in one form or another.
this is a more sensible approach to the issue. bravo!
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you can hear news in even hainanese in 95.8
That is something new to me.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
I don't agree with your views at all. Stop speaking dialect is kill off dialect. Mandarin is mandarin. Dialect is dialect.
no, mandarin is chinese, dialect is also dialect.you remains a chinese whether you speak mandarin, or dialect.
when you speak english only and no mandarin or dialect, then you are really lost in your culture.
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dialect is banned from state media is news to me. like someone cooked it up.
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this is a more sensible approach to the issue. bravo!
If a population stops speaking a certain language, do you consider the language as killed off?
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
you can hear news in even hainanese in 95.8
That is something new to me.
turn on and listen, it started with hokkien, then cantonese, then teochew, then hainanese, then haka, then another one I don't know. -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
turn on and listen, it started with hokkien, then cantonese, then teochew, then hainanese, then haka, then another one I don't know.
Wrong OrderHokkien, Cantonese, Teochew, Hakka, Hainanese, Hokchiu
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you remains a chinese whether you speak mandarin, or dialect.
I am talking about dialect, not mandarin.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
he just didn't encourage it. I go to taiwan, I have to speak hokkien; go to hk, I have to speak cantonese. go to vancouver, i speak both depending on which part of the city I am in. of course, in coquitlam, singlish is well accepted. hahaha.Well...that is one aspect of a "disadvantage" if a society have too many languages.
Too many languages will create "blocks" , or like pieces of wood which is slotted into our midst, it will create obstacles.
A divolution of a standardized language creates too many blocks, it impedes people's interactions with one another, and it impedes communication, trade, commerce, sense of solidarity, etc, a lot of disadvantage.
It is better that we here now in the 21st century make a turn, and make a sacrifice, we have to standardize a language. We now for our generation need to be willing to do a little sacrifice, so that our children and grandchildren can have a standardized common language and mother tounge and do not experience too many blocks.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
this is getting hilarious....lemme get my popcorn and coke ok.
I find it even more hilarious that Poh Ah Pak needs to get a new user name to post this
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
this is a more sensible approach to the issue. bravo!
If a population stops speaking a certain language, do you consider the language as killed off?
the population stop speaking a certain language because nobody treasure the value of the language. yes, the government is probably trying to take the lead, but why the hell do you want to follow, unless you also don't value it. -
A divolution of a standardized language creates too many blocks, it impedes people's interactions with one another, and it impedes communication, trade, commerce, sense of solidarity, etc, a lot of disadvantage.
I thought we already have the ang mog english.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
dialect is banned from state media is news to me. like someone cooked it up.
it is onli allowed in the newsdid u watch every episode 舞林大� on Channel U ？？
the episode on å›½è¯ and å�°è¯ segment, when 爵剧影色舞团 danced with the Hokkien song, the whole segment was cut !!!
so disppointed
wanted see them dance properly, just bcos the background music hokkien, CUT
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Let people decide themselves whether they want to speak or learn dialects or not.
How to communicate with the older generation if they don't speak either mandarin or english?
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n u all watched the KARAOKE show hosted by �宗宪？
when chinese song, normal
when hokkien song, CUT
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Comrade skythewood, the dialect is only in news broadcast.
How?
It is largely suppressed in our state media. You can't deny that comrade.
when hokkien song, CUT
Suppressed.
Lee Kuan Yew's policy is to suppress local dialect.
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Originally posted by charlize:
Let people decide themselves whether they want to speak or learn dialects or not.
How to communicate with the older generation if they don't speak either mandarin or english?
if you want to communicate with them, why can't you speak their language, mandarin, english or dialects?
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Originally posted by charlize:
Let people decide themselves whether they want to speak or learn dialects or not.
How to communicate with the older generation if they don't speak either mandarin or english?
Well yes, that is one problem.
We are now in a transitional period and we are doing some sacrifices.
We are still doing the sacrifice, until a few more generations, when our children and grandchildren can have 1 common language and 1 common mother tongue.
We have to be brave and endure this little sacrifice for the benefit of our next generations.
If we do not have the resolve, and cling on to half-heardted measures, there will always be language gap and generational gap, there will always be "older people who cannot understand xyz language"
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if you want to communicate with them, why can't you speak their language, mandarin, english or dialects?
But why suppress local dialects?
Why?
Why suppress them?
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Originally posted by Bangulzai:
n u all watched the KARAOKE show hosted by �宗宪？
when chinese song, normal
when hokkien song, CUT
aiya, you tuned to ch 52, listen to 阿洪之声 in 全民最大党。we are not in the 60s lah...why still listen to ch u only.
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and have u all listened to 100.3 or 97.2 or 95.8 when guest speaks a little hokkien and the DJ, hahaha, shooes and say dialects not allowed? wait kenna fined, they say
they oso scared abt their rice bowl ma
and the songs 一百万 and 一人一� is always the first two sentence hokkien and the rest chinese version
never ever got any person hear the Hokkien version on state radio before
want dialect? pay and install Rediffusion
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
if you want to communicate with them, why can't you speak their language, mandarin, english or dialects?
But why suppress local dialects?
Why?
Why suppress them?
I learned my dialect from my parents, nobody suppress me what. I don't need to learn my dialect from TV or radio. what suppression?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
aiya, you tuned to ch 52, listen to 阿洪之声 in 全民最大党。we are not in the 60s lah...why still listen to ch u only.
i m jus stating a fact that u have to be richer and pay money to listen to dialect