The pirate problem
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you know, till now i kept imaginating those priates dresses like the 'hi-ya' captians.
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Somalia's Islamists
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6043764.stm
US continues covert action in Somalia
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/sep2006/soma-s27.shtml
Ethiopia Invades Somalia; USA Assists with Attacks in Somalia against Islamist Militants
http://www.historycommons.org/context
The U.S. and Ethiopia's blunder in Somalia
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item
US backs Ethiopia’s invasion of Somalia
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/dec2006/soma-d28.shtml
Washington admits role in illegal war: US troops took part in invasion of Somalia
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/jan2007/soma-j17.shtml
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Chey you say pirates during a time where Somali pirates are on the headlines of course i'm going to make the association what.
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Originally posted by brainerror:
you know, till now i kept imaginating those priates dresses like the 'hi-ya' captians.
At first my impression is pirates of carribean those kind.than it got downgraded to terrorist.
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Ethiopia / USA / Somali Pirates’ Cover-Up
By Thomas C. Mountain
April 16, 2009 "Online Journal" -- ASMARA, Eritrea -- One of the best kept secrets in the international media these days is the link between the USA, Ethiopia and the Somali pirates. First, a little reliable background from someone on the ground in the Horn of Africa.
The Somali pirates operate out of the Ethiopian and USA created enclaves in Somalia calling themselves Somaliland and Puntland. These Ethiopian and USA backed warlord controlled territories have for many years hosted Ethiopian military bases, which have been greatly expanded recently by the addition of thousands of Ethiopian troops who were driven out of southern and central Somali by the Somali resistance to the Ethiopian invasion.
After securing their ransom for the hijacked ships the Somali pirates head directly to their local safe havens, in this case, the Ethiopian military bases, where they make a sizeable contribution to the retirement accounts of the Ethiopian regime headed by Meles Zenawi.
Of course, the international naval forces who are patrolling the Horn of Africa know all too well what is going on for they have at their disposal all sorts of high tech observation platforms, ranging from satellites to unmanned drones with high resolution video cameras that report back in real time.
The French commandos started to pursue the Somali pirates into their lairs last year until the pirates got the word that for the right amount of cash they were more than welcome in the Ethiopian military bases in their local neighborhoods. Ethiopia being the western, mainly USA, Cop on the Beat in East Africa put these bases off limits to the frustrated navies of the world, who are no doubt growling in anger to their USA counterparts about why this is all going on.
Now that the pirates have started attacking USA flagged shipping, something that was until now off limits, it remains to be seen what the Obama administration will do. One thing we in the Horn of Africa have learned all too well, when it comes to Ethiopia, don’t expect anything resembling accurate coverage by the media, especially those who operate under the cloak of “freedom of the press.”
Stay tuned for more on this from the Onlinejournal.com, the only site willing to expose the truth on matters no one else will touch.
Thomas C. Mountain, the last white man living in Eritrea, was in a former life an educator, activist and alternative medicine practitioner in the USA. Email thomascmountain at yahoo.com.http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22436.htm
Seems like USA had a role in backing and protecting the land bases of the Somali pirates.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
At first my impression is pirates of carribean those kind.than it got downgraded to terrorist.
same.. so unsurprising if there were still those pirates out there.
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than it got downgraded to terrorist.
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Originally posted by brainerror:
same.. so unsurprising if there were still those pirates out there.
i think those are high class pirates.. normal pirates cannot afford to dress so bling bling... -
Originally posted by Ah Chia:
Somalia's Islamists
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6043764.stm
US continues covert action in Somalia
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/sep2006/soma-s27.shtml
Ethiopia Invades Somalia; USA Assists with Attacks in Somalia against Islamist Militants
http://www.historycommons.org/context
The U.S. and Ethiopia's blunder in Somalia
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item
US backs Ethiopia’s invasion of Somalia
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/dec2006/soma-d28.shtml
Washington admits role in illegal war: US troops took part in invasion of Somalia
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/jan2007/soma-j17.shtml
Relax !
Somali president agrees to truce, sharia law
The US has no role in the truce and introduction to sharia law.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
I just bring out the information that i've been reading and presenting my assessment in my perspective. If that is considered blind then we're all blind because you can't exactly give a more accurate assessment unless you're living there.Somalia was already attempting to stablize under the Islamic Court Union but was overthrow by warlords backed by the Ethiopians (Your foreign "peacekeeper" force) and some say tacit US support. Even during the conflict the US conducted air strikes against supposedly Al Qaeda links. That's what they claimed, it's not like we can get a Somali to share with us what really happened.
They can't exactly stablize when foreign countries try to get their preferred government in power and it doesn't help that their best hope was an Islamic one.
The problem is that the foreign trawlers are not bound by quotas like in their own countries. They can fish all they like and bear no responsibilities. Potentially that could devastate the fish population because they're not allowed the time to reproduce and grow. In the end, it's still going to affect the average Somali fishermen.
There's a lot more factors to be considered than the ones we see on the news. Reporters and Journalists are not trained to be all knowing, they can only report the truth from their limited perspectives. Basing our assessments because of the different medias we consume and thinking that it is the only Truth is laughable at best.
The only US strategic interest in somalia after black hawk down is preventing the growth of AL QAEDA cell. I believe generally A stable circular govt was what is necessary to establish LAW and Order Rather than creating a taliban regime. It was US intel in the region but with Jordanian special force on ground that took out AL Qaeda in Somalia. (Read killer elites) like i say you cannot stop internal fighting unless they "Somalian" agreed to stop fighting among themselved.
The topics of over fishing; over used of earth resources .....is a global problems. I can tell you right now is not happening only to Gulf of Aden....... But for Somalia fisherman can only do coastal fishing. There is something you need to know marine mammals reside in deeper depth are not going to feed on coastal fishing. Similarly marine fishes habita is at 40 - 50ft aren't going to be found at 100ft and beyond. Any other creature that can move between the 2 depth probably too big for Somalian fisherman to catch.
Somailia fisherman probably would know that if he caught a Shark he will cut off the fin and the tail because he knows those would fetch a better price for Chinese Shark fin soups....economics demand dictate.
Sometime issues are so simple that we don't accept it. so don't spend too much time in it.
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April 19, 2009Dutch thwart pirate attackTHE HAGUE - DUTCH marines on Saturday freed 16 fishermen held captive by Somali pirates who launched a failed attack on a tanker in the Gulf of Aden, officials said, as a Belgian vessel was taken hostage by sea bandits.
Nato and Dutch officials said an attack on a Greek-owned ship from the Marshall Islands, the Handytankers Magic, had failed but the nine suspected pirates had to be freed after being briefly detained.
'This morning we intercepted a request for assistance from ... the Handytankers Magic, that had fallen victim to a pirate attack,' Lieutenant Commander Alexandre Fernandes told AFP from aboard the Portuguese frigate Corte Real, which is under the Nato flag.
'We immediately dispatched a Dutch Nato ship.' A Dutch defence ministry spokesman said the attack on the tanker had been launched from a dhow, a traditional Arab sail boat, captured by pirates last Thursday.
The pirates fled back to the dhow in small boats after the failed tanker attack, but a British naval vessel in the vicinity intervened and kept its guns trained on the group until Dutch marines arrived under Nato orders to board.
The Dutch frigate, part of a Nato anti-piracy patrol operation, Allied Protector, had been escorting four merchant vessels some 10 miles away.
'The marines found 25 people on board (of the dhow), nine of them suspected pirates,' spokesman Robin Middel told AFP. They also found seven AK47 assault rifles and a rocket launcher, which were seized and destroyed.
'The other people on the dhow were Yemeni fishermen who were hijacked by the suspected pirates.' Mr Middel said the suspects had to be freed on the instructions of a Nato squadron commander.
'There exists no legal framework in the Nato for arrests to be carried out,' he explained. The suspects were put back in their boat, and the freed fishermen sent on their way back home.
Belgium meanwhile confirmed a ship belonging to the Jan de Nul group, which specialises in building artificial islands, had sent distress signals early Saturday and been captured about 150 kilometres north of the Seychelles. -- AFP
They just release the pirates back to their boat. No arrest or trial or anything. that doesn't sound right.
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Originally posted by skythewood:April 19, 2009Dutch thwart pirate attackTHE HAGUE - DUTCH marines on Saturday freed 16 fishermen held captive by Somali pirates who launched a failed attack on a tanker in the Gulf of Aden, officials said, as a Belgian vessel was taken hostage by sea bandits.
Nato and Dutch officials said an attack on a Greek-owned ship from the Marshall Islands, the Handytankers Magic, had failed but the nine suspected pirates had to be freed after being briefly detained.
'This morning we intercepted a request for assistance from ... the Handytankers Magic, that had fallen victim to a pirate attack,' Lieutenant Commander Alexandre Fernandes told AFP from aboard the Portuguese frigate Corte Real, which is under the Nato flag.
'We immediately dispatched a Dutch Nato ship.' A Dutch defence ministry spokesman said the attack on the tanker had been launched from a dhow, a traditional Arab sail boat, captured by pirates last Thursday.
The pirates fled back to the dhow in small boats after the failed tanker attack, but a British naval vessel in the vicinity intervened and kept its guns trained on the group until Dutch marines arrived under Nato orders to board.
The Dutch frigate, part of a Nato anti-piracy patrol operation, Allied Protector, had been escorting four merchant vessels some 10 miles away.
'The marines found 25 people on board (of the dhow), nine of them suspected pirates,' spokesman Robin Middel told AFP. They also found seven AK47 assault rifles and a rocket launcher, which were seized and destroyed.
'The other people on the dhow were Yemeni fishermen who were hijacked by the suspected pirates.' Mr Middel said the suspects had to be freed on the instructions of a Nato squadron commander.
'There exists no legal framework in the Nato for arrests to be carried out,' he explained. The suspects were put back in their boat, and the freed fishermen sent on their way back home.
Belgium meanwhile confirmed a ship belonging to the Jan de Nul group, which specialises in building artificial islands, had sent distress signals early Saturday and been captured about 150 kilometres north of the Seychelles. -- AFP
They just release the pirates back to their boat. No arrest or trial or anything. that doesn't sound right.
Well, the Strait Times today did mention why, apparently no country wish to be responsible for feeding/clothing/persecuting them. Not their citizens after all.
Plus if anyone tried to persecute the pirates themselves, the other navies will dump all their prisoners on them.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Well, the Strait Times today did mention why, apparently no country wish to be responsible for feeding/clothing/persecuting them. Not their citizens after all.
They seized their guns only...
I was thinking that they should dump them back in somalia and sink their boat or something... Or else it is just too cheap for the pirates in term of cost.... few thousand dollars to arm themselves versus millions in ransom money...
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Well, the Strait Times today did mention why, apparently no country wish to be responsible for feeding/clothing/persecuting them. Not their citizens after all.
Sure, without those pirates, where can we get pirate DVD, pirate Softwares, Pirate Clothing, Pirate games, Pirate watches, Pirate branded goods ....i support pirates. -
Originally posted by skythewood:
They seized their guns only...
I was thinking that they should dump them back in somalia and sink their boat or something... Or else it is just too cheap for the pirates in term of cost.... few thousand dollars to arm themselves versus millions in ransom money...
Well, like i said no one wants to be the first to take the responsibility. It sounds very noble to apprehend the pirates but it's always finding out what to do with them that's the fun part.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
They seized their guns only...
I was thinking that they should dump them back in somalia and sink their boat or something... Or else it is just too cheap for the pirates in term of cost.... few thousand dollars to arm themselves versus millions in ransom money...
In a country that is in total chaos, poor, sick and malnutrition, where got jobs to feed the family, where got stability to earn a living, where got social harmony and peacefulness to run a business and lastly, where got money to buy even a piece of soap. So, what you expect, there is no jobs for application except: Robbers, Thieves, Pirates and Kidnappers. I believe the people who caught them are so sympathetic with their conditions that they set them free.That is why some people like my Uncle, living in heaven here and still dunno, he yet to see hell.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
The only US strategic interest in somalia after black hawk down is preventing the growth of AL QAEDA cell. I believe generally A stable circular govt was what is necessary to establish LAW and Order Rather than creating a taliban regime. It was US intel in the region but with Jordanian special force on ground that took out AL Qaeda in Somalia. (Read killer elites) like i say you cannot stop internal fighting unless they "Somalian" agreed to stop fighting among themselved.
The topics of over fishing; over used of earth resources .....is a global problems. I can tell you right now is not happening only to Gulf of Aden....... But for Somalia fisherman can only do coastal fishing. There is something you need to know marine mammals reside in deeper depth are not going to feed on coastal fishing. Similarly marine fishes habita is at 40 - 50ft aren't going to be found at 100ft and beyond. Any other creature that can move between the 2 depth probably too big for Somalian fisherman to catch.
Somailia fisherman probably would know that if he caught a Shark he will cut off the fin and the tail because he knows those would fetch a better price for Chinese Shark fin soups....economics demand dictate.
Sometime issues are so simple that we don't accept it. so don't spend too much time in it.
If "foreign intervention" stops eventually there would be a power arising to take control, it would be inevitable. However, the US/Ethopia are trying to cherry pick which power gets to take control. Of course, i'm pointing the finger at the Iranian/Jordanian/or whatever islamic countries interventing.
It's kinda tough to iron out differences when others are giving your opponents rifles.
Please can you direct me to a well written article on where you get your conclusions from?
Because i have no idea where you're getting the conclusions that the deep sea and coastal marine food chains are not connected with each other and where does deep sea marine mammals come into play with this ? Also i would like to understand your confidence that foreign trawlers are only fishing in deep sea and would never conflict with the Somali fishermen because that's not what i'm reading.
I want to know whether i'm dealing with facts or educated guesses.
You would think with the conflicts and crisis since the begining of this millenium we would have realized the dangers of accepting something as "simple". Something is "simple" when we have already decided on what the truth is and can't be bothered to look deeper into.
Would we even believe the numbers that the government are putting out lately ?
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Well, like i said no one wants to be the first to take the responsibility. It sounds very noble to apprehend the pirates but it's always finding out what to do with them that's the fun part.
Nah, I was thinking of a more cruel way. judged by the captain of a ship, and executed if guilty. In doubt, release.
don't think that will be very popular, but hey, at least something is done...
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Originally posted by HiAy3Captain:
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Originally posted by skythewood:
Nah, I was thinking of a more cruel way. judged by the captain of a ship, and executed if guilty. In doubt, release.
don't think that will be very popular, but hey, at least something is done...
Like i said, we live in a country where we think we have that moral choice. It's always so different when we're the one that would be doing it.
Me thinks the pirates would not be so generous with the hostages if we start executing them.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Like i said, we live in a country where we think we have that moral choice. It's always so different when we're the one that would be doing it.
Me thinks the pirates would not be so generous with the hostages if we start executing them.
the world belong to the Yin and Yang cycle, for without bad people, police is not neccessary, for without pirate, navy or sea patrol is not neccessary and of course for without female, male go mad and vice visa.