Any Malaysians here? Post ur views!
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Yep, I think we do need the views of some Malaysians on this whole issue. What we hear in the press is the opinions of the Malaysian govt and especially that FM. . .a malaysian's view of the whole matter, whether for or against, would really be welcome and refreshing. just dun turn this into a flame war(refers to singaporeans as well)
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I visit this site almost everyday... what i always find is hatred among the singaporean toward malaysia... criticising the malaysia's policy... talking about war... comparing the weapon and armament between the 2 country's army... condemning our PM... our FM... the malays...
personally i think discussing such issues are wasting... because we are not going to war... therefore not really interested in the army issues... since we are not interested, we do not really need to know about your ministers and your political issues in singapore... we prefer to mind our own business... -
well, you prefer to, and i respect your views on that, but there'll always be people more interested in starting a flame war or making provocative comments just to watch people get angry...Originally posted by kyas:I visit this site almost everyday... what i always find is hatred among the singaporean toward malaysia... criticising the malaysia's policy... talking about war... comparing the weapon and armament between the 2 country's army... condemning our PM... our FM... the malays...
personally i think discussing such issues are wasting... because we are not going to war... therefore not really interested in the army issues... since we are not interested, we do not really need to know about your ministers and your political issues in singapore... we prefer to mind our own business...
i think both sides need to be more interested in whats happening in each others' country... Sg and M'sia are so close together. if both sides can learn to put things into their proper perspective through a deeper understanding of each other, there wouldn't be so much misunderstanding.
hence, while it is sensitive to mind one's own business, it is also important to be aware of what's happening next door so that we do not end up saying things we'll both regret later. -
We sound complacent do we. At least I do think so. All in all, i again denounce these endless banter.Originally posted by kyas:I visit this site almost everyday... what i always find is hatred among the singaporean toward malaysia... criticising the malaysia's policy... talking about war... comparing the weapon and armament between the 2 country's army... condemning our PM... our FM... the malays...
personally i think discussing such issues are wasting... because we are not going to war... therefore not really interested in the army issues... since we are not interested, we do not really need to know about your ministers and your political issues in singapore... we prefer to mind our own business... -
thanks CK for reminding me about the importance of being aware of what is happening next door... i am not sure of what you mean by being aware... for me being aware is just having knowledge about something... or in this case, knowledge about our neighbour... it should not be more than that... whatever it is, i believe there must be limitations...Originally posted by CX:well, you prefer to, and i respect your views on that, but there'll always be people more interested in starting a flame war or making provocative comments just to watch people get angry...
i think both sides need to be more interested in whats happening in each others' country... Sg and M'sia are so close together. if both sides can learn to put things into their proper perspective through a deeper understanding of each other, there wouldn't be so much misunderstanding.
hence, while it is sensitive to mind one's own business, it is also important to be aware of what's happening next door so that we do not end up saying things we'll both regret later. -
The nick is CX. Now, you aware ?Originally posted by kyas:thanks CK for reminding me about the importance of being aware of what is happening next door... i am not sure of what you mean by being aware... for me being aware is just having knowledge about something... or in this case, knowledge about our neighbour... it should not be more than that... whatever it is, i believe there must be limitations...
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You can't get the nick right and now you say knowledgeOriginally posted by kyas:for me being aware is just having knowledge about something... or in this case, knowledge about our neighbour... it should not be more than that... whatever it is, i believe there must be limitations...
limitations is okay???
I hold no grudges against the average Malaysian folks, but
I can't say the same about your fellow politicians and newspapers
editors. -
The issues seems more about politicians trying to gain publicity in their own country. I doubt anyone in both government have the balls to start a war. There's no profit involved. You can't start a war in a democratic government unless you can convince the majority of the government that there is practical gain to be obtained.
If there is a war, it will be someone in the Malaysian government stupid and insane enough to cut Singapore's water. Then Singapore will have to fight as a matter of survival. -
Originally posted by kyas:thanks CK for reminding me about the importance of being aware of what is happening next door... i am not sure of what you mean by being aware... for me being aware is just having knowledge about something... or in this case, knowledge about our neighbour... it should not be more than that... whatever it is, i believe there must be limitations...
there is no limit to knowledge... and i do not believe in placing limits on myself as far as knowledge is concerned...
previously, you've taught us what it meant to think from the muslim perspective with relations to the tudung... it is something nobody would've known if they had placed limits on what they want to know.
if we try to understand each other's history and perspective, there'll certainly be less misunderstandings.
take water for instance... its a classic case of conflicting perspective. malaysia wants more money, and its not that Sg is not willing or able to pay more, but it cannot just accept a new price arbitarily on the grounds of friendship, goodwill and neighbourliness.
and if one is to take these factors into consideration, what is malaysia offering in return for our goodwill, friendship and neighbourliness?
nobody likes to receive the short end of the stick. but that is not always clear to everyone... especially politicians at the negotiating table arguing on behalf of the nation based on national interests and nothing else.
or is Sg to understand that such outbursts are the results of the oncoming malaysian elections? many would feel that they'ld rather mind their own business and wish that umno politicians would do the same instead of making unfriendly speeches against Sg to win votes.
thats what i mean by understanding each other... i frankly feel that everything has been blown out of proportions by selfish politicians. its nothing that cannot be settled by dialogue and mutual compromises.
but because i'm singaporean, i do take my country's perspective that we have been unnecessarily shoved around by our duplicious neighbour who is attempting to push us around without any legal basis or valid claim.
is that true? we won't know unless we try to know more about what happens on both sides of the causeway. -
It true. Why waste good time on something that will never materialise. i.e. war other than war of words. It's happening the same at your side condeming Singapore.Originally posted by kyas:I visit this site almost everyday... what i always find is hatred among the singaporean toward malaysia... criticising the malaysia's policy... talking about war... comparing the weapon and armament between the 2 country's army... condemning our PM... our FM... the malays...
personally i think discussing such issues are wasting... because we are not going to war... therefore not really interested in the army issues... since we are not interested, we do not really need to know about your ministers and your political issues in singapore... we prefer to mind our own business...
But end of the day, who ever talk about war, strength, bravery, etc are mindless talk and bottom shiok.
But talking about mind your own business, I don't agree. In case my PM don't like "noyah" food and that's the only food available during dinner, it won't be good. Unless, you can behave like our government did during one of the bilatarel negotiation in Singapore. We prepared all the food that your minister likes from our understanding. (Source: From ST I think early last year) Too bad it was not reciprocated. But it ok, at least we had tried to be understanding. -
sorry for the error CX (not CK)... hehe...Originally posted by CX: there is no limit to knowledge... and i do not believe in placing limits on myself as far as knowledge is concerned...
previously, you've taught us what it meant to think from the muslim perspective with relations to the tudung... it is something nobody would've known if they had placed limits on what they want to know.
if we try to understand each other's history and perspective, there'll certainly be less misunderstandings.
take water for instance... its a classic case of conflicting perspective. malaysia wants more money, and its not that Sg is not willing or able to pay more, but it cannot just accept a new price arbitarily on the grounds of friendship, goodwill and neighbourliness.
and if one is to take these factors into consideration, what is malaysia offering in return for our goodwill, friendship and neighbourliness?
nobody likes to receive the short end of the stick. but that is not always clear to everyone... especially politicians at the negotiating table arguing on behalf of the nation based on national interests and nothing else.
or is Sg to understand that such outbursts are the results of the oncoming malaysian elections? many would feel that they'ld rather mind their own business and wish that umno politicians would do the same instead of making unfriendly speeches against Sg to win votes.
thats what i mean by understanding each other... i frankly feel that everything has been blown out of proportions by selfish politicians. its nothing that cannot be settled by dialogue and mutual compromises.
but because i'm singaporean, i do take my country's perspective that we have been unnecessarily shoved around by our duplicious neighbour who is attempting to push us around without any legal basis or valid claim.
is that true? we won't know unless we try to know more about what happens on both sides of the causeway.
what i meant by limitation is not about knowledge... yes... i have to admit that the fault is actually on my part to make you misunderstood my statement... what i meant was it is ok to have knowledge... in fact i agree with you that there should not be any limitation to knowledge... and yes we can give comments based on the knowledge... but acquiring knowledge and giving comments is different from condemning, talking about war, being scornful and creating hatred towards your neighbour... that was what i meant by limitations...
i raised the tudung issue just to illustrate the same thing happen in singapore since the original issue was racism in malaysia... you have your rule... we have our rule... you want us to respect the rule... why not respect other's rule... -
Thanks Gun...Originally posted by Gun:The nick is CX. Now, you aware ? -
our PM has made a statement in fact a guarantee that malaysia will continuously supply water to singapore unless not needed... so there will be no war...Originally posted by Stevenson101:The issues seems more about politicians trying to gain publicity in their own country. I doubt anyone in both government have the balls to start a war. There's no profit involved. You can't start a war in a democratic government unless you can convince the majority of the government that there is practical gain to be obtained.
If there is a war, it will be someone in the Malaysian government stupid and insane enough to cut Singapore's water. Then Singapore will have to fight as a matter of survival. -
i just state my stand... and not giving orders to anybody to limit what they want to say... yes u can say watever u want...Originally posted by Gun:You can't get the nick right and now you say knowledge
limitations is okay???
I hold no grudges against the average Malaysian folks, but
I can't say the same about your fellow politicians and newspapers
editors. -
both parties have to respect each other... psst... wat is 'noyah' aa?Originally posted by Quad:It true. Why waste good time on something that will never materialise. i.e. war other than war of words. It's happening the same at your side condeming Singapore.
But end of the day, who ever talk about war, strength, bravery, etc are mindless talk and bottom shiok.
But talking about mind your own business, I don't agree. In case my PM don't like "noyah" food and that's the only food available during dinner, it won't be good. Unless, you can behave like our government did during one of the bilatarel negotiation in Singapore. We prepared all the food that your minister likes from our understanding. (Source: From ST I think early last year) Too bad it was not reciprocated. But it ok, at least we had tried to be understanding. -
Well, afterall this IS SGforum.Originally posted by kyas:I visit this site almost everyday... what i always find is hatred among the singaporean toward malaysia... criticising the malaysia's policy... talking about war... comparing the weapon and armament between the 2 country's army... condemning our PM... our FM... the malays...
personally i think discussing such issues are wasting... because we are not going to war... therefore not really interested in the army issues... since we are not interested, we do not really need to know about your ministers and your political issues in singapore... we prefer to mind our own business... -
Your Malaysian business is affecting our business (The Pedra Branca Issue).Originally posted by kyas:I visit this site almost everyday... what i always find is hatred among the singaporean toward malaysia... criticising the malaysia's policy... talking about war... comparing the weapon and armament between the 2 country's army... condemning our PM... our FM... the malays...
personally i think discussing such issues are wasting... because we are not going to war... therefore not really interested in the army issues... since we are not interested, we do not really need to know about your ministers and your political issues in singapore... we prefer to mind our own business...
If you think discussing such issues are wasting. You're insulting people of this forum and should not have start making comments here, anyway .
And yah. We never start comparing our armanents till some Malaysian bugger started it. The guy complaining about the book called "Defending the Lion City". And another ignorant bugger who said we got VTOL aircraft (we dun have any Harrier, excuse me...)on Pedra Branca's helipad! (I think he slightly over-estimated Singapore. We are not dumb to buy a plane that expensive and expensive to maintain). -
since when has Sg not respected the sovereignty of another nation? regarding the tudung issue, there really was no need for m'sia to interfere with the local education policies. there was also a case in the past of an Israeli minister coming down to Sg and resulted in a big hoo-ha from msia. please enlighten me as to who is not being respectful?Originally posted by kyas:i raised the tudung issue just to illustrate the same thing happen in singapore since the original issue was racism in malaysia... you have your rule... we have our rule... you want us to respect the rule... why not respect other's rule...
the beauty of internet is everyone has access to all sorts of info. even if ur newspaper editor paints a biased picture of the events, u are always free to peruse newspapers of Sg or the news on CNN or BBC for more objective perspectives. surely one cannot accuse the BBC for being biased! -
i wonder who wrote that.... VTOL on Pedra Branca??? next thing we need is to hire arnold swarzeneger (sp?) to fly the plane and whack those fundamentalist!!!!Originally posted by Eiizumi:And yah. We never start comparing our armanents till some Malaysian bugger started it. The guy complaining about the book called "Defending the Lion City". And another ignorant bugger who said we got VTOL aircraft (we dun have any Harrier, excuse me...)on Pedra Branca's helipad! (I think he slightly over-estimated Singapore. We are not dumb to buy a plane that expensive and expensive to maintain).
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Originally posted by Eiizumi:Well, afterall this IS SGforum.
but...Originally posted by Eiizumi:If you think discussing such issues are wasting. You're insulting people of this forum and should not have start making comments here, anyway .
[/quote]Originally posted by laser51088:Yep, I think we do need the views of some Malaysians on this whole issue. What we hear in the press is the opinions of the Malaysian govt and especially that FM. . .a malaysian's view of the whole matter, whether for or against, would really be welcome and refreshing.
well, i posted my view... -
it is clear that you do not understand what i was referring to... this is actually a history between me and CX...Originally posted by JLennon:since when has Sg not respected the sovereignty of another nation? regarding the tudung issue, there really was no need for m'sia to interfere with the local education policies. there was also a case in the past of an Israeli minister coming down to Sg and resulted in a big hoo-ha from msia. please enlighten me as to who is not being respectful? -
*shrugs* my post was written in the context of your post, and not the history betweem u and CX. thanks for pointing out.Originally posted by kyas:it is clear that you do not understand what i was referring to... this is actually a history between me and CX... -
and my post was in the context of that history... hahah... and you came up with a new issue... should i come up with another issue..? this will be endless...Originally posted by JLennon:*shrugs* my post was written in the context of your post, and not the history betweem u and CX. thanks for pointing out.
afterall that was only my personal opinion... -
Originally posted by kyas:
i hate to sound billigerent, but the war talk, scorn and disgust , are based on facts... Sg didn't start the talk of war... Sg diplomats did not behave like ungracious barbarians when they went to KL to negotiate with their m'sian counterparts.
sorry for the error CX (not CK)... hehe...
what i meant by limitation is not about knowledge... yes... i have to admit that the fault is actually on my part to make you misunderstood my statement... what i meant was it is ok to have knowledge... in fact i agree with you that there should not be any limitation to knowledge... and yes we can give comments based on the knowledge... but acquiring knowledge and giving comments is different from condemning, talking about war, being scornful and creating hatred towards your neighbour... that was what i meant by limitations...
i'm not defending or condeming all the things that have been said here, but kyas, how did it start? how did people come to such extreme conclusions?
its apparent that this lack of mutual understanding and in recent years, lack of mutual respect, is growing and having messy impications. -
Just a note to all parties here. Keep this as a healthy discussion and please do not degrade yourselves to flaming each other {not saying that there is yet}.