Lee Kuan Yew's foreign talent policy destroys Singapore.
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Originally posted by Hitman3:
SO IT WILL TAKE BETWEEN 20-40 YEARS REALISTICALLY EVEN FOR AN EXTREME POLITICIAN WITH A TEAM!OR 20 YEARS OPTIMISTIC AT BEST!
WHAT DID ANYONE SOLVED IN SPORE ???ITS JUST BEEN LEFT TO THE ELEMENTS...........EATEN AND RUSTED AWAY BY TIME AND DIRT!
NO MORE TIME FOR THAT!
Can you appreciate that there is "NO MORE TIME FOR THAT" ?
What do you know about TIME ?
What makes you think that "EXTREME POLITICIAN WITH A TEAM - WILL TAKE BETWEEN 20-40 YEARS REALISTICALLY" ?
What is the basis of your thinking, or is this not another subtle message to subvert the support given to the Alternative Political Parties ?
Why will you limit your criteria to only EXTREME POLITICIAN ?
Any SMART & SENSIBLE POLITICIAN - who is given the opportunity to form the next Government must know that it has to make many SIMULTANEOUS changes under the different ministries, and MUST ACHIEVE some semblance of progress within the FIVE YEAR term before the next Election.
Can Singaporeans give the next NEW cabinet any time beyond their first term ?
Is your time frame of 7 years part of your knowledge that the first 2 years - in the New Term of a New Government - will have to be used to fight and change the OLD PAP system that it has installed over the last 42 years, and which was designed to allow PAP to control the system even as they have been thrown out of Government ?
Or is this your way of subtlely undermining confidence that any Singaporean may have placed with the Alternative Political Parties - by suggesting that it is useless to think about "change of government" as it cannot solve any problems within its 5 year term ?
It looks like when one can shake the dog by wagging its tail.
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Originally posted by Anon123:
Umms well i find this post very interesting so dont mind i KPO abit ah.Well,i may know little about politics but what i know is it doesnt really matter if foreign talents come over to singapore to so called"steal our jobs" and "flood Singapore with foreign aliens".I personally feel that its more to the side where if you got the abilities because if you got the abilities why scared u no job?It will become u wan the job anot.And i think instead of complaining that the government left out some poors and they no job blah blah blah.Go help them la.U think the government very free ah.So next time donate more for charity larhs.And i agree that foreign talents are helping the growth of the singapore economy.Hahas Im only 13 forgive me if im abit dumb.
It's not as straight forward as you think.
Since you're thirteen you haven't really seen the reality of the working world. There are factors at play which would affect your chances of employment other than just ability.
What's more, an employer would only know if you have ability if he actually employs you for a few years and have seen your trials by fire, it's not possible to know whether someone is truly capable just by interviews alone.
But why would he hire a local employee if a foreigner could do it for cheap? (Especially if he doesn't chose to take PR, the employer don't have to pay the extra CPF)
Worst still if you are male, having reservist obligations and IPPT. Why would i hire/promote a guy that would potentially go for reservist during a big project or fail IPPT and have to go for RT?
If it's so much potential issues, why don't i just hire a foreigner straight off because i save myself so much trouble and it's so easy to hire one?
Other than that though, i agree with the donation to charity part.
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to anon:
picture a goldfish thats able to swim in a small tiny aquarium....then u put in 20 more goldfish in same aquarium.they have almost the same abilities.they will all die if they cant jump into another familiar aquarium once they use up the water n elements in small aquarium.
all have the same abilities...........
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Originally posted by Anon123:
Umms well i find this post very interesting so dont mind i KPO abit ah.Well,i may know little about politics but what i know is it doesnt really matter if foreign talents come over to singapore to so called"steal our jobs" and "flood Singapore with foreign aliens".I personally feel that its more to the side where if you got the abilities because if you got the abilities why scared u no job?It will become u wan the job anot.And i think instead of complaining that the government left out some poors and they no job blah blah blah.Go help them la.U think the government very free ah.So next time donate more for charity larhs.And i agree that foreign talents are helping the growth of the singapore economy.Hahas Im only 13 forgive me if im abit dumb.
Nope. I dont think you dumb at all. Rather, it seems adults can be real dumb.
They would make all kinds of excuses, like incamp training (how often in a lifetime? Defferment not allowed? ) IPPT ( on sat afternoon), RT ( dont excercise, sit on bum whole day, eat rich food, whose fault?)
Foreigners are not as cheap as some presume. There still is a qouta on how many number a company can hire. Capability and ATTITUDE is still what employers seek.
Utimately, it's all about excuses. It is always easier to blame others than to blame oneself.
No worries, kid. Dont take my word for it. Ask around, and find out more. Your perceptions are more realistic than some rubbish KPKB thrown here.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Nope. I dont think you dumb at all. Rather, it seems adults can be real dumb.
They would make all kinds of excuses, like incamp training (how often in a lifetime? Defferment not allowed? ) IPPT ( on sat afternoon), RT ( dont excercise, sit on bum whole day, eat rich food, whose fault?)
Foreigners are not as cheap as some presume. There still is a qouta on how many number a company can hire. Capability and ATTITUDE is still what employers seek.
Utimately, it's all about excuses. It is always easier to blame others than to blame oneself.
No worries, kid. Dont take my word for it. Ask around, and find out more. Your perceptions are more realistic than some rubbish KPKB thrown here.
My question is whether you''re actually working.
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IVE RUN OUTA TIME FOR ALL POLITICAL GROUPS....GIVE THEM HOW LONG??10YEARS??20 YEARS??60 YEARS???HOW BOUT 10,000YEARS?
IVE GOT SHORT LIFE......
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
My question is whether you''re actually working.
That is your question now? Isnt that moronic?
We can all KPKB, blame everyone else just like the mad hatter from malaysia, but in the end, WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?
Our elect govt had done what they could short of interfering into private enterprise within a democracy, and had programmes to award companies to support local talents and workers. Most Singapore companies are socially responsible.
There are irresponsible ones, and the door is always open to highlight to the authorities or in this modern age, modern means.
When I got my first job, my employer did not look at my reservist unit ( a critical unit), but rather on my capabilities and attitude against a foriegn talent. Within the company i saw lousy attitudes by both local and foriegners, and within a short time they were fired, not because of NS obligations or they were local/ cheap foreigner ( cheap if it even exists).
If we refuse to face up to facts, we will only doom ourselves to roll over and play dead as the globalised world revolves. It will not wait for us!
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
My question is whether you''re actually working.
He's probably working
Just some small fry, that's why he doesn't know the true impact of foreign import
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
He's probably working
Just some small fry, that's why he doesn't know the true impact of foreign import
Or just oblivious to the implications.
I'm a small fry as well, but even i see the problems.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
That is your question now? Isnt that moronic?
Can an imbecilic pseudo-intellect even begin to understand what is a moron ?
We can all KPKB, blame everyone else just like the mad hatter from malaysia, but in the end, WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?
Only an imbecilic pseudo-intellect in the form of a X-rated Fraud will persistently ask "what is the solution" - when it cannot accept the fact that the tail has to be chopped from the Dog, so as that the Tail no longer controls the Dog.
Is it not a surprise that the emotional moods of the Dog is reflected in its tail ?
Our elect govt had done what they could short of interfering into private enterprise within a democracy, and had programmes to award companies to support local talents and workers. Most Singapore companies are socially responsible.
The Tail has certainly got a good grip on the Dog - as seen by its X-rated Fraudulent performance in ensuring the senstive Tail is not stepped.
Has "our elect govt had done what they could short of interfering into private enterprise within a democracy" ?
With the dominance of the Government in the Tripartitie NWC - that dictates to the Private Enterprises what is acceptable by the Government thinking - only the Dog will not bite its own Tail, and allow the X-rated Fraudulent situation to be cloaked in its clever deceit.
What can a X-rated Fraud know about "social responsibility" - when its has shown gross irresponsibility as an individual to mislead on the present status quo ?
There are irresponsible ones, and the door is always open to highlight to the authorities or in this modern age, modern means.
How pathetic that the Dog will think that it can persuade the Tail to listen to its useless and insufferable barking ?
Obviously, the dumb Dog has not heard that barking dogs do not bite.
When I got my first job, my employer did not look at my reservist unit ( a critical unit), but rather on my capabilities and attitude against a foriegn talent. Within the company i saw lousy attitudes by both local and foriegners, and within a short time they were fired, not because of NS obligations or they were local/ cheap foreigner ( cheap if it even exists).
What possible "critical reservist unit" can a X-rated Fraud be coming from its NSF days - if this is not another attempt to inflate its own worth with the hot gas that it has produced from its infatuation with a collection of plagiarized pieces of turds ?
Is there any worth to the mere say-so to -"my capabilities and attitude to handle against a foriegn talent" - from a confirmed X-rated Fraud ?
It must certainly reflect the immense capability of a X-rated Fraud to handle the meek Bangladeshis and Indian foreign talents, or is the X-rated Fraud pretending to be of some higher calibre to handle the Ang-Moh Foreign Talents, immodestly suggesting the inflated self-worth of a X-rated Fraud ?
Either ways, what does the X-rated Fraud intend to say - other then to take an easily available opporunity to boastfully drop hints to its suggested capabilities - when it will further attempt to dispute if "cheap even exist" ?
If we refuse to face up to facts, we will only doom ourselves to roll over and play dead as the globalised world revolves. It will not wait for us!
Spoken like a typical dog trained to "roll over and play dead" - when the tail controls the pseudo-intellect of a X-rated Dog.
Can a dog ever listen and face the facts exposed, or will it continue to hallucinate in its "Disini Fantasy World" as Pluto the dumb dog that allow its tail to wag its body ?
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Or just oblivious to the implications.
I'm a small fry as well, but even i see the problems.
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Nah, you will do fine. You are aware of the issues, so you can and will take steps to solve the problems that will impact you.
As my boss once said, there are 3 types of people:
a) People who know what is happening and proactively take steps to resolve it
b) People who know what is happening but is resigned to fate
c) People who don't know what hit them
You belong to (a), the imbecile is (c)
Ignorance is the worst.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Nah, you will do fine. You are aware of the issues, so you can and will take steps to solve the problems that will impact you.
As my boss once said, there are 3 types of people:
a) People who know what is happening and proactively take steps to resolve it
b) People who know what is happening but is resigned to fate
c) People who don't know what hit them
You belong to (a), the imbecile is (c)
Ignorance is the worst.
i once told my subordinates, there are 3 types of people:
a) People who can identify the problem and take action to resolve it.
b) People who can identify the problem but take action to go around it. not all problem can be resolved, not all problem is within your capability to resove, not all problem is worth the effort to resove.
c) People who believe they know the problem, and think they can solve the problem.
the first are the brave, the second the smart, the last is the arrogant, zuo luan se gai.
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to atobe:
facts of basis stems from............. have u ever got a time when u married someone.......how long does it take your case from start to end?u need to submit proof of this and that .....put data into practice....do actual search....lawyers..csi...data collection.....adjournment...u be lucky it takes only 2 years.
but for politics............the data colletion is enormous involving companies......people nationality...etc etc.
u can estimate how long it will take............if u are intelligent.
if not......just cross yer bloody fingers n hope it will be fast!
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BOSS:I WANT RESULTS!!!I WILL PERSONALLY CRUCIFY THOSE THAT DONT HAVE THE SOLUTION ASAP!
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Hmm...To :Stevenson/Hitman/Xtreyier. I guess that's how the world works uh?I still have a lot more to learn thans.Thanks for helping me understand i always thought it was so straight forward,never thought it would be so complicated.Haiiis my brain going crack.It seems wierd for a 13 year old to be looking at stuff like this uhh?But i'm sorta interested in what kinda world i live in.Well,i think the best solution is we singaporeans help each other out.Thats my perspective.and i still think that the employers are mean to treat us like dogs.But i'm still happy =) being a kid is theee bessst.I guess i have to study hard then so i have much more choices.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
i once told my subordinates, there are 3 types of people:
a) People who can identify the problem and take action to resolve it.
b) People who can identify the problem but take action to go around it. not all problem can be resolved, not all problem is within your capability to resove, not all problem is worth the effort to resove.
c) People who believe they know the problem, and think they can solve the problem.
the first are the brave, the second the smart, the last is the arrogant, zuo luan se gai.
Yep, given your abrupt posting, I am pretty sure you are type (c).
Seriously, your types (a) and (b) are one and the same. You are just trying to bend the standard philosophy and claiming it to be your own. How one person resolves a problem entails the direct method, the indirect method, the workaround, etc. They are one and the same (your so-called (a) and (b)). Taking action need not be direct bashing of a wall. It entails an action, period.
Therefore, that's why you are Type (c), the arrogant guy who is a smart alec who twists a philosophy and claims it to be his own
Sometimes, some people needlessly jump into a battle, and gets burnt. You are the perfect example. Reminds me of Singapore trying to meddle in China and Taiwan affairs, and got burnt both sides.
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Originally posted by Anon123:
Hmm...To :Stevenson/Hitman/Xtreyier. I guess that's how the world works uh?I still have a lot more to learn thans.Thanks for helping me understand i always thought it was so straight forward,never thought it would be so complicated.Haiiis my brain going crack.It seems wierd for a 13 year old to be looking at stuff like this uhh?But i'm sorta interested in what kinda world i live in.Well,i think the best solution is we singaporeans help each other out.Thats my perspective.and i still think that the employers are mean to treat us like dogs.But i'm still happy =) being a kid is theee bessst.I guess i have to study hard then so i have much more choices.
Enjoy school life. I kinda miss school life, esp my uni days :)
To get ahead in life, you need more than just pure hard skills, but also the abilities to network well with others, and knowing how to work with others (in my personal view, soft skills like negotiation, diplomacy, networking are more valuable). Lots to learn, but it's all part of the process. Nothing special
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Originally posted by Hitman3:
to atobe:
facts of basis stems from............. have u ever got a time when u married someone.......how long does it take your case from start to end?u need to submit proof of this and that .....put data into practice....do actual search....lawyers..csi...data collection.....adjournment...u be lucky it takes only 2 years.
but for politics............the data colletion is enormous involving companies......people nationality...etc etc.
u can estimate how long it will take............if u are intelligent.
if not......just cross yer bloody fingers n hope it will be fast!
Is this the understanding of what "Time" is to a Hitman ?
It is not surprising that the understanding of Time is a struggle in itself as seen in all its disjointed reasons that it intends to offer that is made to simply befuddle anyone with its own pathetic understanding of "Time".
You should try taking a shotgun that will help you to hit your target with a spray of pellets released.
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Originally posted by Hitman3:
BOSS:I WANT RESULTS!!!I WILL PERSONALLY CRUCIFY THOSE THAT DONT HAVE THE SOLUTION ASAP!
Is this an after thought to be included into the previous post ?You could simply "EDIT" your previous reply and place it separately by hitting the "Enter" or "Return" button so as to insert more paragraphs between the previous post and the present.
Will the Boss get the best solutions, or will the Boss get a half-baked interim solution that require the Hitman to resubmit it as another after thought ?
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
My question is whether you''re actually working.
he's probably some JC student -
The young may easily comprehend the foriegn talent policy than most of the older generation.
I hardly could find time to play MMORPG games. However, it is an experience i felt i must go thru in order than I may gain an understanding of its concepts and popularity. Thus I tried my hand, found online friends and later joined up in their guilds to do battle with others.
There were americans, Chinapersons, arabs, africans, europeans, etc, etc, an international motly group of us in this guild. We help each other level up, gain additional weapons, traded and created opportunities to expand our online avatars capabilities.
When we did battle with others, those whom were xenophobic or racists kind were easily wiped out by us, because they were homogenous, and their capabilities were limited, unlike ours that were made up of all kinds of people, with different experiences and intelligences shared willingly.
Of course, this is only a game, no one gets hurt or loses a job unless he plays it whole day. But if one extrapoliated its concept onto the real world, it will bring home the necessity for foriegn talent.
Let me put it this way simply. It is better the foreign talent come here and compete WITH US on our shores, share knowledge and experiences, than they go to another nation that will surely compete AGAINST US.
I do agree that a balance must be made, but the qoutas that are in place should be adequate enough, with further study and input to tweak the system to ensure we citizens would benefit more, as is our right.It's not going to happen overnight, but patience and time, not KPKB or deliberate twisting of truth to sow hatred, will see us through, afterall, civil servants and elected officials are our fellow citizens, with families, relatives and friends similar with ours.
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Now this joker is using a GAME to justify his views.
This is really truly stupidity at its very best
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Yep, given your abrupt posting, I am pretty sure you are type (c).
Seriously, your types (a) and (b) are one and the same. You are just trying to bend the standard philosophy and claiming it to be your own. How one person resolves a problem entails the direct method, the indirect method, the workaround, etc. They are one and the same (your so-called (a) and (b)). Taking action need not be direct bashing of a wall. It entails an action, period.
Therefore, that's why you are Type (c), the arrogant guy who is a smart alec who twists a philosophy and claims it to be his own
Sometimes, some people needlessly jump into a battle, and gets burnt. You are the perfect example. Reminds me of Singapore trying to meddle in China and Taiwan affairs, and got burnt both sides.
I dont judge who are the smart, the brave nor the arrogant, but the arrogant who is quick identify himself only shows that he is not only arrogant, he is also foolish.
Is there standard philisophy? hahaha...do not think what you believe is standard, the world out there is more varied and different than your little brain.
there are problems that I cannot resolve, for it is beyond my ability, for it does not impact me as much as it would impact others,...going around a problem does not solve the problem. You just avoid the negative impact of the problem. the problem remains there, and those who do not know how to avoid it will still be affected by it. so a) and b) are not the same.
So you think running to america will solve the problem brought about by the FT policy in Singapore? NO, the problem is still there, many singaporeans in singapore are still affected by it, the problem is not solved just because you ran away to america. complaining and whinning behind the comfort of your room behind the computer is NOT the action needed to solve the problem, period.
Singapore get burnt in China and Taiwan affairs? hmmm....we are still the only country with diplomatic relationship with PRC but military tie with ROC. The political world is more complicated than what your limited brain can imagine.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Singapore get burnt in China and Taiwan affairs? hmmm....we are still the only country with diplomatic relationship with PRC but military tie with ROC. The political world is more complicated than what your limited brain can imagine.
it doesn't take an old dick to know that singapore latched on taiwan's offer of a military training facility because it was a marriage of convenience. taiwan was yearning for any form of recognition and singapore needs a military training base. of course there is this big brother USA which is also selling military wares to taiwan to balance off the chinese communists threat then. singapore can always hide behind US's ass if there is any blow-ups.
the geo-politics in the 70s & 80s were very different. china wouldn't bat an eyelid on singapore then.
today, it is a different political proposition. if china (want to) force singapore's hand, the latter would withdraw unconditionally out of taiwan. but of course china won't. after all, what is singapore to china? singapore is like another wanna-be BFF to paris hilton; eager to impress at any cost.
singapore in fact has scale back it's military training in taiwan in the last decade; in favor for more `non-confrontative' locations like USA, australia and soon india.
and of course, nothing is for free. singapore pays considerable $$$ to these countries facilitating land areas for the training. on the account of diplomatic ties alone, singapore can't find a square foot of sand to set foot in.
lastly, you need to get your timeline right before you gloat.
singapore started its military training exercise in taiwan in 1975, and established diplomatic ties with china only in 1990.
post-1990, especially of late, singapore will not make a big deal out of conducting its military exercise in taiwan. in fact, singapore `diversified'.
you bringing it up and beaming about how singapore can maintain and balance both ties will only make the singapore defence ministry's guys cringe.
it's so 1970s....
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dubai is a rising monster in the world...singapore is surely less competetive...dubais policies are so huge that with in 5 years it will be much much much ahead of singapore...