Climate Alarmists Finally Admit The Debate Is Not Over
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Originally posted by angel7030:
kind of donuts at JCO coffee and donuts cafe
lucky here all know your pattern/style
you are making yourself a laughing stock/clown
doha is about protection of trade and free trade if i am not wrong
eg south korea farmer ... ...
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global warming and rising sea-level is a farce.
IMO, the earth is only slightly warming up, with the bulk of the "global warming" cause by the urban heat island effect.
and as for the story about rising sea level, it does not make sense.
We all know that the polar cap is melting, and so? the sea is not going to overflow even if the polar ice melts away.
Lets do a simple experiment:
fill a glass of water with ice. although ice is lighter than water, and can thus float on top of the water, lets not forget that its mass is already displaced for in the water. so when this surface ice melts, the water will not overflow. same theory applies to the sea.
this aside,
an increase in global temperature will bring about increased evaporation of seawater, and in turn increased rainfall. wouldn't that solve drought problems, as can be seen even in tropical countries like malaysia
http://www.nahrim.gov.my/pdf/drought%20in%20malaysia.pdf
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Originally posted by I'm back:
lucky here all know your pattern/style
you are making yourself a laughing stock/clown
doha is about protection of trade and free trade if i am not wrong
eg south korea farmer ... ...
EH EH excuse me... I am half South Korean, and two of my aunties are involved in farming activities(though not hands-on, more like market regulators for pricing and etc.)
I do find your last sentence particularly offensive. Don't generalise. Not all farmers in ROK oppose free trade. I find that protecting local markets is important. I mean, why wouldn't you want your product from your country to be second-tier in your own country compared to one that is imported from another country?!
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Originally posted by deathmaster:
global warming and rising sea-level is a farce.
IMO, the earth is only slightly warming up, with the bulk of the "global warming" cause by the urban heat island effect.
and as for the story about rising sea level, it does not make sense.
We all know that the polar cap is melting, and so? the sea is not going to overflow even if the polar ice melts away.
Lets do a simple experiment:
fill a glass of water with ice. although ice is lighter than water, and can thus float on top of the water, lets not forget that its mass is already displaced for in the water. so when this surface ice melts, the water will not overflow. same theory applies to the sea.
this aside,
an increase in global temperature will bring about increased evaporation of seawater, and in turn increased rainfall. wouldn't that solve drought problems, as can be seen even in tropical countries like malaysia
http://www.nahrim.gov.my/pdf/drought%20in%20malaysia.pdf
If more ice is added to the glass of water in your simple experiment, the water will eventually overflow.You figure out where more ice come from.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
i not kidding, until now, no country is committed in stopping carbon exposure to the air, tho each is saying this and that, there is still no policy and rules written, because all are selfish to commit, with dollars and cents at stake and a industrial economy to sustain a country wealth, who will take want to take first step?? They can go on and on saying this and that, and that this must reduce and that must take care, but who actually do it??? CHina??? US??? or the RUssian?? From the Doha to the Copenhagan, what have they achieved?? And more important, how much have they spent??Any big conglomorates or organisation can alway paid off a few reputable scientists to shown that climate change is not due to industrialisation, and when someone said that Glacier is melting, someone would said that new Glacier are form???? so where do we go from here?? The best job in the world is a job that give no solution but problems
"The best job in the world is a job that give no solution but problems"
Obviously the "best job in the World" for a Taiwanese 'hum' is as an "Attention Seeking Whore" - "that give no solutions but problems"
What else can be expected from the resident Taiwanese 'hum' ?
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Global warming ? Rising waters ? NO PROBLEM
Dig more canals into the desert and let the waters FLOW
lol
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
Global warming ? Rising waters ? NO PROBLEM
Dig more canals into the desert and let the waters FLOW
lol
U know, actually when I was younger, I actually tot that dredging in the Sahara all the way to the Indian Ocean would be a way to alleviate the rising waters and also stimulate plant growth in the Sahara region and stop desertification from spreading
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Originally posted by deathmaster:
global warming and rising sea-level is a farce.
IMO, the earth is only slightly warming up, with the bulk of the "global warming" cause by the urban heat island effect.
and as for the story about rising sea level, it does not make sense.
We all know that the polar cap is melting, and so? the sea is not going to overflow even if the polar ice melts away.
Lets do a simple experiment:
fill a glass of water with ice. although ice is lighter than water, and can thus float on top of the water, lets not forget that its mass is already displaced for in the water. so when this surface ice melts, the water will not overflow. same theory applies to the sea.
this aside,
an increase in global temperature will bring about increased evaporation of seawater, and in turn increased rainfall. wouldn't that solve drought problems, as can be seen even in tropical countries like malaysia
http://www.nahrim.gov.my/pdf/drought%20in%20malaysia.pdf
First point already addressed by googoomuck.
Now, didn't you know that rain does not fall evenly over the earth? And that water vapour also traps heat?
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Originally posted by angel7030:
i not kidding, until now, no country is committed in stopping carbon exposure to the air, tho each is saying this and that, there is still no policy and rules written, because all are selfish to commit, with dollars and cents at stake and a industrial economy to sustain a country wealth, who will take want to take first step?? They can go on and on saying this and that, and that this must reduce and that must take care, but who actually do it??? CHina??? US??? or the RUssian?? From the Doha to the Copenhagan, what have they achieved?? And more important, how much have they spent??Any big conglomorates or organisation can alway paid off a few reputable scientists to shown that climate change is not due to industrialisation, and when someone said that Glacier is melting, someone would said that new Glacier are form???? so where do we go from here?? The best job in the world is a job that give no solution but problems
Urm... have you heard of the term "Carbon Trading"?Sometimes, I really wonder why you have to comment about so many things when you don't have the information of those stuff...
At least the above is better (slightly) than one-liners that you so often post.
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
U know, actually when I was younger, I actually tot that dredging in the Sahara all the way to the Indian Ocean would be a way to alleviate the rising waters and also stimulate plant growth in the Sahara region and stop desertification from spreading
lol !Dig the entire country up.. and float it.
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Okies, here comes part 2.
But because of the vested interest associated with climate change solutions, the corporate media has largely taken a one-sided point of view. Why else would the BBC delay the release of the story despite knowing of it a month before the emails were leaked? Why would CNN waited 6 days after the emails were released before reporting on it? Moreover, the first reports by the MSM focused largely on data theft or omitted the implications of scientific fraud. Given the MSM's history of reporting skewd information over the last decade, its surprising there is still so much trust in such a failed institution.
Wait. Ok i had a look at the link you posted. It was written on 28 Nov 2009.
I see BBC had an article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8370282.stm
That was published on Friday 20 Nov 2009. In the article it said the files were leaked on Thursday.
On CNN it seems their first response was 25 Nov. While i don't know why CNN would release it after 6 days, your claim that BBC delayed the release for a month don't seemed to be accurate
Fox News, it seems was actually faster than CNN.
As I have said again and again, even if the science for a warming is concrete, the solutions being pushed are completely a scam. By all means, I'm for environmental protection and the full utilisation of renewable energy methods. Even the prominent pro-climate change scientist James Hansen has voiced opposition to such a scheme. Not only did he called for the failure of the Copenhagen Summit:
but he also recognised that the cap-and-trade scheme would just be business as usual for the corporatocracy:
You know the funny thing is? The man actually believed in global warming.
He disagrees with how Coperhagen is going to deal with it, but he believes in man made global warming.
So can you be consistent here? Do you disagree with the man made global warming or you disagree with how we're dealing with it?
Now, we don't know what's coming out of coperhagen. What Washington wants Washington may not neccessarily get.
In case you haven't been paying attention, the direction of the world is no longer decided by just America.
No offence, but I think you're being extremely naive to believe that a concerted effort by governments and the corporatocracy to regulate carbon emissions would also threaten their own interest for the sake of environmental concern.
No , but i'm realistic enough to believe they would act if their own interest was going to be threatened. Not really good business if alot of your Third World labour are going to be suffering from drought/flooding/hurricanes yes?
Believing that government and corporations are inherently selfish seems to be a lot less naive than believing that they're inherently evil.
And of course, don't forget Goldman Sachs, which has both hands in Obama's pants, and especially Al Gore, are all set to profit immensely from a carbon derivative market (Who says the bankers have learnt their lesson?). Rather than "shoot their own foot", its going to be the middle and lower classes that will be bearing the
financial and social costs of such a policy. Do we really need this to teach us about elite double standards when history is full of it?That's the sickness with society. Problems only get 'solved' when its profitable to do so while getting mixed up with all kinds of vested interests, just like the present situation. As George Carlin put it:
Now see here, i don't make my opinions solely based on what America's doing.
I look at what China and India are doing because they would be the worst hit if quotas on carbon dioxide emissions are implemented.
They are both developing countries and are highly dependant on cheap coal energy to power their economies. If they have to give that up, they give up the economy growth and accompanying social stability. The number of the lower classes that would be affected from the carbon cuts probably outnumber the whole of America.
And see here, unlike America and India China's leadership comprises mostly of trained engineers so they would probably understand the hard Maths of global warming personally far more than the politicans of any country. Whether they respect human rights or not is a different can of worms.
They, who are so dependant on coal fired power plants are willing to commit to 40-45 cuts on carbon intensity (based on 2005 levels).
Europe, short of the UK are also committed to emission cuts. It seems the biggest portions of global warming unbelievers reside in America and the UK. Now, i wonder why ?
Shows a lot on what they think of global warming, isn't it ?
To you, a TVP solution where we use our immensely advanced technology to free ourselves from the shackles of money and jobs, ushering in a new concept of freedom, and which would (God forbid!) create an egalitarian society where we all shared with each other obviously wouldnt work because as everyone knows, the free market is the only system that can promote human concern and progress.
I know I've rambled long enough and I hope you still have the energy to cover one last (short) point.
With statements like "2009 is... the first year of global governance" and that "The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet" by first EU president Herman Van Rompuy, its obvious which outcome is the one supported by huge vested interests.
While that isnt concrete enough to prove anything, it highlights the question as to whether MSM coverage and the moulding of the public consciousness is affected by such conflicts of interest.
You know, i think you would make a great journalist at Fox News.You're very good at making me mean something that i don't.
No one's stupid enough to say no to the TVP if it was evenly remotely viable or realistic. No one's going to say i don't want freedom.
However, much like everything in life everything has a price.
If the TVP's first place to build one of their fancy new society in rural Africa for the tribal Africans, with the West providing the labourers i would gladly sign up. I bet that's not what the planners had in mind with their fancy dream.
Oh sure, say no to global government.
Continue to let the USA do whatever they want, after all their citizens seemed to know what's best for the rest of the world wouldn't they ?
There's no inherently good or evil in a global government, you used that phrase as if it's supposed to imply anything by itself.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Urm... have you heard of the term "Carbon Trading"?Sometimes, I really wonder why you have to comment about so many things when you don't have the information of those stuff...
At least the above is better (slightly) than one-liners that you so often post.
Well, i've read up a little on this Carbon Trading.
Why the EU is giving free permits is beyond me.
It seems a little dodgy to me, it's going to need a great deal of enforcing for it to be anywhere near effective.
Apparently though, it worked for sulphur dioxide in the US.
I'd keep my fingers crossed. This may be the closest we would get to a global consensus since Kyoto (even then, i wouldn't exactly call it a consensus )
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Originally posted by deathmaster:
global warming and rising sea-level is a farce.
IMO, the earth is only slightly warming up, with the bulk of the "global warming" cause by the urban heat island effect.
and as for the story about rising sea level, it does not make sense.
We all know that the polar cap is melting, and so? the sea is not going to overflow even if the polar ice melts away.
Lets do a simple experiment:
fill a glass of water with ice. although ice is lighter than water, and can thus float on top of the water, lets not forget that its mass is already displaced for in the water. so when this surface ice melts, the water will not overflow. same theory applies to the sea.
this aside,
an increase in global temperature will bring about increased evaporation of seawater, and in turn increased rainfall. wouldn't that solve drought problems, as can be seen even in tropical countries like malaysia
http://www.nahrim.gov.my/pdf/drought%20in%20malaysia.pdf
Just to point out something, with increased rainfall also comes increased drought (Where do you think the water for the increased rainfall's going to come from?)
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Well, i've read up a little on this Carbon Trading.
Why the EU is giving free permits is beyond me.
It seems a little dodgy to me, it's going to need a great deal of enforcing for it to be anywhere near effective.
Apparently though, it worked for sulphur dioxide in the US.
I'd keep my fingers crossed. This may be the closest we would get to a global consensus since Kyoto (even then, i wouldn't exactly call it a consensus )
Carbon Trading is becoming more and more a big thing in the developed countries,
This is by far a practical approach to managing carbon emissions. Of course, there will always be politics involved, but it's a realistic approach that can be implemented successfully.
Just wanted to reply back to 7030 posts, which shows she doesn't know about it, and yet she continues to post to any topics as if she knows them
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
EH EH excuse me... I am half South Korean, and two of my aunties are involved in farming activities(though not hands-on, more like market regulators for pricing and etc.)
I do find your last sentence particularly offensive. Don't generalise. Not all farmers in ROK oppose free trade. I find that protecting local markets is important. I mean, why wouldn't you want your product from your country to be second-tier in your own country compared to one that is imported from another country?!
Fryderyk HPH,I appologise for any disturbance being caused to you. -
Originally posted by I'm back:Fryderyk HPH,I appologise for any disturbance being caused to you.
It is ok~
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Originally posted by I'm back:
lucky here all know your pattern/style
you are making yourself a laughing stock/clown
doha is about protection of trade and free trade if i am not wrong
eg south korea farmer ... ...
Hello, Doha also include Climate change in their agenda, so are WTO and APEC...and all these come out with nothing at the summit in Copenhagan, so what now....Geyland summit again???You dun think you very smart hor...I also can read ok. It not nice to laugh at people.
You better apologise to me sincerely too.
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At this stage of our Earth population of 6 Billion, and the way we consume energy, the way we look at "development" by means of wealth and trade. i'm not sure its going to change much...?
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
At this stage of our Earth population of 6 Billion, and the way we consume energy, the way we look at "development" by means of wealth and trade. i'm not sure its going to change much...?
N at that rate, I can't imagine about what is going to happen to Earth when the population hits a target of 9 Billion by 2018
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
N at that rate, I can't imagine about what is going to happen to Earth when the population hits a target of 9 Billion by 2018
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Urm... have you heard of the term "Carbon Trading"?Sometimes, I really wonder why you have to comment about so many things when you don't have the information of those stuff...
At least the above is better (slightly) than one-liners that you so often post.
What one liner you talking about? I dun need you to give me any discredit or credit here, unless there is $$ involve.Whether there is a Climate Change or not? no one really knows, and if there is, what causes it is still very vague. I believe there will be changes, but not by some stupid fatty men in tie dining and wineing while talking about all those shit about changes. Everything in this world will and must change, just a matter of sooner or later, it is a natural evolution. And I believe that as human, whatever changes, we can adapt and evolute from it.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
At this stage of our Earth population of 6 Billion, and the way we consume energy, the way we look at "development" by means of wealth and trade. i'm not sure its going to change much...?
Well...not without a major disaster or war of some sort, i would think. It seems every major change in history for the past century are always accompanied by a massive shedding of blood.Humans always need to be reminded of our worst sides before we are willing to make any radical change.
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nvm climate change or dun change
my ark should be ready by then
Rooms open for booking now!
from studio to penthouse
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Eh i think you mean by 2050, scary either way though.Some climatogists and social scientists think that the general world population is understated and some also mention that if India and Africa continues its current exponential rate of population growth, it is possible to hit 9 Billion by 2018/2020.