National Day Message 2010 by PM Lee
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Zzz... stop spamming...
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economics will be taken down into dangerous road of eventual alienation....
this brings us to the wake of the ECONOMICS OF CARE...
talks of sustainability cannot but take emotions of the masses into its stride
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They give money....they will get back twice the amount.
How? Reduce ns pay.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
They give money....they will get back twice the amount.
How? Reduce ns pay.
If Ns pay is reduced, Singapore might see its first bloody riot in 45 years...
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Originally posted by likeyou:
They give money....they will get back twice the amount.
How? Reduce ns pay.
They give you $9000, you fear they would take back $18000. But think about it, they are already taking from you $20,000 (if you are paying that much taxes of any kind), now they give you back $9000, take it as a bonus.
Be happy when you are given money, just don't sell yourself for it, no reason you should fear this or that.
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Remember, those completed NS reservist cycle already = $0
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Originally posted by eagle:
Remember, those completed NS reservist cycle already = $0
Remember nobody asked him to open a Can of worm....he opened it himself so he has to try to answer the Wrap of those 40 and above and the female population.
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Someone commented it's an irony. Those who spent 2.5 hrs in the army and still have not completed paying their education loan are not getting any $ to help pay for the sch fees.
Those who spent 2 yrs in the army are getting the $3k.
Nice.
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
If Ns pay is reduced, Singapore might see its first bloody riot in 45 years...
u mean military coup!!!
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Remember nobody asked him to open a Can of worm....he opened it himself so he has to try to answer the Wrap of those 40 and above and the female population.
He asked for it.
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Those in the 50s spent 2 1/2 yrs serving NS, got lousy pay, ate food cooked by the lousy NS cook, wore heavy WW2 helmet, engineer were cheap labour carrying bridge parts, arti developed backache carrying 120 mm mortar, some ORD kena 13 years reservist cycle.
and now they also get $0......
think they should ask government for back pay and hardship allowance.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Remember nobody asked him to open a Can of worm....he opened it himself so he has to try to answer the Wrap of those 40 and above and the female population.
what have the female population got to do with this? may be we should start enlisting them into service, with combat role. -
Notice this forum have alot of youngster......so I've gone thru other forums and like to share some of their responses for this forum as references. So here goes....
Thank-you PM for giving the big bonus to NSmen. As a person who is fast approaching 50, I don't need the S9k as urgently as finding a good stable job. I did not mention salary because I can accept the same lower salary as FT, and put in equally long hours as FT for the employers. But, does PM you know the ground situation is that local employers are shunting many middle age people who are equally qualified as any new FTs, and maybe have more real-life experiences than many new FTs. This is the bleak condition of job that post 40-years old singaporeans are facing that no amount of money can compensate.
now they are trying to make reservist into some sort of a maturity bond...Dear PM, I have serve the army for six years , i enlisted in 1971. Now I am jobless. I wish I am also entitled for the 9000 dollars too. -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
what have the female population got to do with this? may be we should start enlisting them into service, with combat role.this is a National policy speech. Just as this forum has shown all the other issues have been drown by the $$$ 9K. $$$$ ...
Everyone in town is talking you think our women don't feel "unfair" that they were single out.
Its human nature, Women too do not want to be left out....And by the way they VOTE.
And by the way, when you go for reservist your wife worried at home they go thru reservist in their heart and mind wondering why husband has to disappear for 2 weeks.....!!
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Those in the 50s spent 2 1/2 yrs serving NS, got lousy pay, ate food cooked by the lousy NS cook, wore heavy WW2 helmet, engineer were cheap labour carrying bridge parts, arti developed backache carrying 120 mm mortar, some ORD kena 13 years reservist cycle.
and now they also get $0......
think they should ask government for back pay and hardship allowance.
They should be given the $9k, especially those who stay in 3-rm HDBs and below, and above 50.
Then again, I'm not the govt. The govt want to give me the $$, I just take.
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One more post......
i want to ask the garment
,what about those lost 1 hand or 1 leg one, i'm sure fellow NS man sure come a cross fellow friends and buddy who had serious injury or even become handicap due to NS duty, how is mindef or garment going to compensate them -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Those in the 50s spent 2 1/2 yrs serving NS, got lousy pay, ate food cooked by the lousy NS cook, wore heavy WW2 helmet, engineer were cheap labour carrying bridge parts, arti developed backache carrying 120 mm mortar, some ORD kena 13 years reservist cycle.
and now they also get $0......
think they should ask government for back pay and hardship allowance.
u mean age 50s or era 50s?
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Originally posted by eagle:
Remember, those completed NS reservist cycle already = $0
The impression I got was all who have served NS would receive it.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
The impression I got was all who have served NS would receive it.
kenna play out la
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Then i wonder how the older generation feels lol. They gave a lot of their votes to the PAP and they built this country over the years. These very same people in their 40s-60s have difficulty competing with foreigners for employment, being told to work till they die and not even a measly $9000. Well, not that it would mean a lot to them but still, the thought of being left out.....
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
u mean age 50s or era 50s?
Sama sama... its 2010.... those born in 1950s are 50s now...
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MINDEF unveils details of NS Recognition Award
By S Ramesh | Posted: 31 August 2010 1214 hrsPhotos of 
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MINDEF unveils details of NS Recognition Award SINGAPORE: The Ministry of Defence (Mindef) has given details of the National Service Recognition Award (NSRA) announced by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong at the National Day Rally.
The award is to recognise Singapore citizens who have served national service.
The NSRA is a monetary award of between S$9,000 and S$10,500 for each Singaporean NSman, with commanders getting more.
It will benefit full time and operationally-ready NSmen in service from August 29, the day it was announced by Prime Minister Lee, and will not be retroactive.
The money will be disbursed equally at three significant milestones during the serviceman's full-time training and his Operationally-Ready National Service (ORNS).
Eligible NSmen will receive S$3,000 at each of the milestones, and commanders will get S$500 more each time.
Commanders are those holding third sergeant rank and above in the Singapore Armed Forces, or sergeant and above in the HomeTeam.
Minister of State for Defence, Associate Professor Koo Tsai Kee, said: "They do more... - usually for each in-camp training they come in one or two days earlier if not more to do the planning and they probably stay one or two days later - so they get more.
"We do not want to monetise the contributions of Nsmen, it is the value we place on it. And it is only for Singapore citizens - the signal that the Prime Minister and government (are sending) that Singaporeans come first and Singaporeans are always important.
"This recognition award is to recognise the contributions of Singapore citizens doing national service full-time and the in-camp training cycle. I think S$9,000 is very significant, but the significance goes beyond the S$9,000.
"It is the value the government and the Prime Minister place on the contributions of Singapore citizens. Many Singaporeans think it is the duty to do national service and this S$9,000 comes as a pleasant surprise and great bonus.
"The first S$3,000 is very useful for an NSman finishing NS and enroute to education. They can pay for their tuition fees for at least one year for most courses in NUS, NTU, SMU. The second and third tranche can go into the CPF to pay for housing and other requirements specified by the CPF."
The first milestone is when the serviceman completes his full-time national service. The money will be paid out at the 20th month of service. It will be deposited into the Post-Secondary Education Account (PSEA) to help with further studies.
The second tranche will be paid after the completion of three high-key in-camp training, or five in-camp training stints, whichever is earlier. And the last payment will be when the full Operationally-Ready National Service training cycle is completed.
The second and third milestone awards will be paid in the servicemen's CPF accounts and distributed into the Ordinary, Special and Medisave accounts according to the prevailing CPF contribution rates. The servicemen can use the amount for their housing, healthcare and retirement needs.
As for those who have already completed their entire national service cycle, Prof Koo said: "Government policy has never been retroactive. The first significant milestone is on the 29th of August when the Prime Minister made the statement.
"Many generations who have served NS, like many of us... recognise that we have already benefited from previous policies and this policy is for NSmen going forward."
The disbursement of the National Service Recognition Award will start from February next year.
- CNA/wk/al
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Those in the 50s spent 2 1/2 yrs serving NS, got lousy pay, ate food cooked by the lousy NS cook, wore heavy WW2 helmet, engineer were cheap labour carrying bridge parts, arti developed backache carrying 120 mm mortar, some ORD kena 13 years reservist cycle.
and now they also get $0......
think they should ask government for back pay and hardship allowance.
Can only say too bad lor... Last time NE survey maybe you all put you are very satisfied with NS...
My batch 2006 they told us to be honest with the survey... not like in the past when the officer say "you are better write good feedback" in the NE survey... Maybe thats why all of a sudden everybody unsatisifed with NS.... They have to do something. -
Originally posted by Junyang700:
Sama sama... its 2010.... those born in 1950s are 50s now...
Well, if he meant era 50s, there's no NS then.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
The impression I got was all who have served NS would receive it.
The initial impression... PM said all NSmen... now suddenly become selective.