find ns a waste of time
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If singapore goes to war , i think maybe we in trouble cos we spent more of our time doing area cleaning damn pissed off always area cleaning and is not like just 1 hr some time is like 2 to 3 hrs , think our army has de best sweepers in de world!,
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gotta start somewhere rite?
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good one bro
There will always be work for u when ur ORD
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once u get in NS, alot of pple will entertain u about it
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wait until u kena duty for national day thn u gt to do area cleaning overnite.... so fun....
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so when u going nS??Originally posted by gUms:If singapore goes to war , i think maybe we in trouble cos we spent more of our time doing area cleaning damn pissed off always area cleaning and is not like just 1 hr some time is like 2 to 3 hrs , think our army has de best sweepers in de world!,
poly student??? -
i have been in for 1 yr :>
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when u have been in for 2yrs going to ORD, then u'll realize it is not a waste of time...Originally posted by gUms:i have been in for 1 yr :> -
Gums, I fully understand. Currently doing BMT, and my coy forever tio arrow for Saikang. Everyday clean this sweep that wash there brush here. Extremely stringent Area inspections.
Totally full of sh!t, especially when we saw the instructor's bunks. A PIG STY. -
Originally posted by gUms:If singapore goes to war , i think maybe we in trouble cos we spent more of our time doing area cleaning damn pissed off always area cleaning and is not like just 1 hr some time is like 2 to 3 hrs , think our army has de best sweepers in de world!,
Compare to getting bit by mosquitoes, area cleaning is nothing. -
when u do area cleaning in singapore, u all can detest it liao
when u do area cleaning when u go overseas for exercise, i think u can go commit suicide
the BMT specialist office not bad mah......got aircon.....wait till u go some old camps go there live then u noe what is the real thing!! -
so in which unit?Originally posted by gUms:i have been in for 1 yr :> -
i from a old camp ,
seletar camp -
Guards?Originally posted by gUms:i from a old camp ,
seletar camp -
although at times feel it is a waste of time (esp when you discovered that you former female classmates already earning much more $$$), but overall feel that it is quite fun.
Also, if there is a war, I will rather take up arms to protect my family and friends, than to be there waiting to be slaughtered by the invaders. -
aiyo where gt the time go army haizzzzzzz
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yah coz we're always practicing in peacetime ! not wartime ! unlike those US always go war ! but NS makes us guys more fit & strong, dont u feel tat way ? i've more confident in myself after 2 & 1/2 yrs in NS ! a good step towards work force !Originally posted by gUms:If singapore goes to war , i think maybe we in trouble cos we spent more of our time doing area cleaning damn pissed off always area cleaning and is not like just 1 hr some time is like 2 to 3 hrs , think our army has de best sweepers in de world!, -
That's great, at least you learned one skill useful for your entire 2 years plus. Won't be jobless easily even after graduating cos you can be employed as a cleaner in singapore. Come to think of it, 2 years plus for a cleaner cert is a bit long.Originally posted by gUms:If singapore goes to war , i think maybe we in trouble cos we spent more of our time doing area cleaning damn pissed off always area cleaning and is not like just 1 hr some time is like 2 to 3 hrs , think our army has de best sweepers in de world!,
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hee... come think of it... if the enciks never enforce area cleaning, our bunks would be as clean as a manhole...
its a necessary evil lah... i remember after coming back from overseas training once... we had cleaned and sealed the bunks, but when we un-sealed them, the bunks got cob webs EVERYWHERE and the dust layer was as thick as the TSR/TDR manuals... it was GROSS.
the encik checked out the lobo's bunk (those who didn't go for the overseas) the same day and it was a veritable SHIT-HOLE! (hee... all the lobos sign extras after that... fun...)
and the armskote had to be sealed too so we oiled the weapons thickly before that... when we got back, it was BONE DRY and nearly rusty!
routine maintenance must be taken seriously even though its a pain in the arse... thats one thing i've learnt and applied to my daily life now.
besides, people fall sick easily when they live in squalid surroundings... especially now got SARS... better clean up properly or the ka-chuak and the rats spread the disease then u know -
Whether the bunk is clean or not clean, should that be your problem? I think the government should be responsible since the whole place belong to them and being used to conscript you guys. 2 years plus is the time for a young guy to obtain an minmum oversea degree instead of learning how to clean up.Originally posted by CX:hee... come think of it... if the enciks never enforce area cleaning, our bunks would be as clean as a manhole...
its a necessary evil lah... i remember after coming back from overseas training once... we had cleaned and sealed the bunks, but when we un-sealed them, the bunks got cob webs EVERYWHERE and the dust layer was as thick as the TSR/TDR manuals... it was GROSS.
the encik checked out the lobo's bunk (those who didn't go for the overseas) the same day and it was a veritable SHIT-HOLE! (hee... all the lobos sign extras after that... fun...)
and the armskote had to be sealed too so we oiled the weapons thickly before that... when we got back, it was BONE DRY and nearly rusty!
routine maintenance must be taken seriously even though its a pain in the arse... thats one thing i've learnt and applied to my daily life now.
besides, people fall sick easily when they live in squalid surroundings... especially now got SARS... better clean up properly or the ka-chuak and the rats spread the disease then u know -
In all armed forces around the world, soldiers are required to do area cleaning. It is to instill discipline, foster responsibility as well as to get the soldier to have the habit of keeping his own surroundings clean. The obvious reason being hygiene. Even in a battlefield HQ or resting area, resting soldiers are still required to do area cleaning due to the fact that it is simply a waste of human resources by employing a dedicated company or more cleaners to perform cleaning duties when they can be better utilised as a fighting force.Originally posted by MYPR:Whether the bunk is clean or not clean, should that be your problem? I think the government should be responsible since the whole place belong to them and being used to conscript you guys. 2 years plus is the time for a young guy to obtain an minmum oversea degree instead of learning how to clean up.
Two years is enough for a minimum oversea degree, but the two years of friendship through NS bonding is something you can't get anywhere. From what I know, area cleaning nowadays is a lot less given the fact that outside contractors are brought in to clean up less sensitive areas in the camp. The cleanliness of the bunk is the responsibility of the soldiers. If a soldier is not responsible for his bunk, then how can it be shown that he will be responsible for his action as well as for his own weapons and equipment in operational times?
A soldier is meant to obey orders. If a soldier questioned about the order of area cleaning, what about if the order to charge a MG position in time of war? Do you think that soldier (the same one who questioned the order of area cleaning) won't question the order to charge the MG position, and he can simply just sit down and said he won't do it. If that soldier happens to be under my command, I will personally shoot him in his big fat head.
Mindef have the responsibilty to your parents, so if someone should fall sick due to his refusal to do area cleaning, how do you expect Mindef to explain to his parents?
"We regretted to inform you that your son is ill due to his refusal to do area cleaning to maintain his bunk area. Due to the fact that this is a thinking army where it is not against regulation not to follow orders and there is nothing we can do about it."
If you expect this sort of reason, it will be a laughing stock of SAF. The responsibility of SAF is to provide its soldiers with area cleaning equipments for regular maintenance.
Area cleaning is no fun, but it is part and parcel of a soldiers daily routine, so take it in one's stride. Living in a camp is a lot different than living at home where one's mother will take care of the house and her son's living quarters. Don't expect and assume there will always be someone to take care of your living quarters. -
quite amazing after so many years NS is around..there r still pple who dun understand the important of it...complain tis complain tat..
somemore can question whether bunk cleaning is our responsibility..i guess u dun clean up ur room one eh? or ur mum do it for u?
yah yah..some of u guys may think we r bullshitting...if u think NS is a waste of time..den go ahead think tat way..
im still glad tat i didnt miss my NS by kenging my way thru..n i noe a bunch of CB frens..who u understand better den ur own brudder..who u go chiong sian char bor n go niteclub together..n when u kena confine will buy food for u during weekend.. n most importantly...they r there for u when ur down..
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WAH! what nonsense!Originally posted by MYPR:Whether the bunk is clean or not clean, should that be your problem? I think the government should be responsible since the whole place belong to them and being used to conscript you guys. 2 years plus is the time for a young guy to obtain an minmum oversea degree instead of learning how to clean up.
going by that logic, why bother throwing things in dustbins? government put them there without asking us what... so its THEIR problem, not ours... at most rats and cockroaches infest the streets and spread diseases only what...
in the same way, can just cross the road anywhere lah... why bother crossing at the zebra crossings? we never asked for it to be put there... at most cars run us over only what...
frankly, if an intelligent young man is able to strike out on his own and get his overseas degree in 2 years, why can't he clean up his own area?
if there's ONE thing many people my age are lacking, is the simple respect and consideration for his fellow man and goddamn HUMILITY.
smart enough to get a degree, but not smart enough to take care of himself and his living surroundings... SMART!!! -
Originally posted by mfscrewu:In all armed forces around the world, soldiers are required to do area cleaning. It is to instill discipline, foster responsibility as well as to get the soldier to have the habit of keeping his own surroundings clean. The obvious reason being hygiene. Even in a battlefield HQ or resting area, resting soldiers are still required to do area cleaning due to the fact that it is simply a waste of human resources by employing a dedicated company or more cleaners to perform cleaning duties when they can be better utilised as a fighting force.
SEE your specialists' bunk, my dear friend.
Two years is enough for a minimum oversea degree, but the two years of friendship through NS bonding is something you can't get anywhere. From what I know, area cleaning nowadays is a lot less given the fact that outside contractors are brought in to clean up less sensitive areas in the camp. The cleanliness of the bunk is the responsibility of the soldiers. If a soldier is not responsible for his bunk, then how can it be shown that he will be responsible for his action as well as for his own weapons and equipment in operational times?
Would anybody have a sense of belonging to the toilet he is cleaning?
A soldier is meant to obey orders. If a soldier questioned about the order of area cleaning, what about if the order to charge a MG position in time of war? Do you think that soldier (the same one who questioned the order of area cleaning) won't question the order to charge the MG position, and he can simply just sit down and said he won't do it. If that soldier happens to be under my command, I will personally shoot him in his big fat head.
HAHAHA. Are your going to shoot the MG gunner with your M16?
Mindef have the responsibilty to your parents, so if someone should fall sick due to his refusal to do area cleaning, how do you expect Mindef to explain to his parents?
HUH? I didn't know your mum will complain to MINDEF when u fall sick.
"We regretted to inform you that your son is ill due to his refusal to do area cleaning to maintain his bunk area. Due to the fact that this is a thinking army where it is not against regulation not to follow orders and there is nothing we can do about it."
Hmm... don't tell me you have never given extras to disobedient soldiers?
If you expect this sort of reason, it will be a laughing stock of SAF. The responsibility of SAF is to provide its soldiers with area cleaning equipments for regular maintenance.
CORRECT. The key phrase is "to provide its soldiers". Not the other way round. We are not supposed to clean up toliets used by other superior beings (we all know WHO are they) since everybody has the responsbility to maintain the common area CLEAN.
Area cleaning is no fun, but it is part and parcel of a soldiers daily routine, so take it in one's stride. Living in a camp is a lot different than living at home where one's mother will take care of the house and her son's living quarters. Don't expect and assume there will always be someone to take care of your living quarters.
CORRECT. So please wake up.
I pity you, obedient soldier.
P.S.: You are probably a cadet officer or at most a newly passed-out officer from some conversion course. Am I right? -
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Originally posted by mfscrewu:
In all armed forces around the world, soldiers are required to do area cleaning. It is to instill discipline, foster responsibility as well as to get the soldier to have the habit of keeping his own surroundings clean. The obvious reason being hygiene. Even in a battlefield HQ or resting area, resting soldiers are still required to do area cleaning due to the fact that it is simply a waste of human resources by employing a dedicated company or more cleaners to perform cleaning duties when they can be better utilised as a fighting force.
SEE your specialists' bunk, my dear friend.
Two years is enough for a minimum oversea degree, but the two years of friendship through NS bonding is something you can't get anywhere. From what I know, area cleaning nowadays is a lot less given the fact that outside contractors are brought in to clean up less sensitive areas in the camp. The cleanliness of the bunk is the responsibility of the soldiers. If a soldier is not responsible for his bunk, then how can it be shown that he will be responsible for his action as well as for his own weapons and equipment in operational times?
[color=darkred]Would anybody have a sense of belonging to the toilet he is cleaning? [/color]
A soldier is meant to obey orders. If a soldier questioned about the order of area cleaning, what about if the order to charge a MG position in time of war? Do you think that soldier (the same one who questioned the order of area cleaning) won't question the order to charge the MG position, and he can simply just sit down and said he won't do it. If that soldier happens to be under my command, I will personally shoot him in his big fat head.
HAHAHA. Are your going to shoot the MG gunner with your M16?
Mindef have the responsibilty to your parents, so if someone should fall sick due to his refusal to do area cleaning, how do you expect Mindef to explain to his parents?
HUH? I didn't know your mum will complain to MINDEF when u fall sick.
"We regretted to inform you that your son is ill due to his refusal to do area cleaning to maintain his bunk area. Due to the fact that this is a thinking army where it is not against regulation not to follow orders and there is nothing we can do about it."
[color=#444444]Hmm... don't tell me you have never given extras to disobedient soldiers? [/color]
If you expect this sort of reason, it will be a laughing stock of SAF. The responsibility of SAF is to provide its soldiers with area cleaning equipments for regular maintenance.
CORRECT. The key phrase is "to provide its soldiers". Not the other way round. We are not supposed to clean up toliets used by other superior beings (we all know WHO are they) since everybody has the responsbility to maintain the common area CLEAN.
Area cleaning is no fun, but it is part and parcel of a soldiers daily routine, so take it in one's stride. Living in a camp is a lot different than living at home where one's mother will take care of the house and her son's living quarters. Don't expect and assume there will always be someone to take care of your living quarters.
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CORRECT. So please wake up.
I pity you, obedient soldier.
P.S.: You are probably a cadet officer or at most a newly passed-out officer from some conversion course. Am I right?