unterstanding the malays- WTC ATTACK
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As I have mentioned before, in the midst of all of tripwire's vehemance and angst, any peace-loving Muslim would agree with him in condemning the acts of these terrorists.
The terrorists' mission is simple and vicious. They not only abuse religion to fulfill their own ends, they also pull all Muslims into the trap. What trap? You might ask.
Well, in using religion, the terrorists have wittingly caused a divide to open between the Muslims and the non-Muslims. Who are their victims? Why, Muslims and non-Mulims alike. You see, any society which is not well-integrated, whose racial mix lives in deep distrust with each other, will experience this dreadful schism. Non-Muslims will begin to persecute and blame the Muslims for the acts of a minority, and the Muslims will have no choice but to defend themselves. I am not envisioning a war, though, God forbid! My point is, the trap that these terrorists lay is not only a physical one, but also a psychological one.
People who refuse to see that it is the Muslims who have failed Islam, rather than Islam failing Muslims have no choice but to promote a campaign of intolerance that is faintly akin to the Christian militant views of the Ku Klux Klan. Why were the Asians, Blacks, Hispanics and Jews murdered by the "white supremecists"? Simple reason, Jesus was a "white" man (how fallacious this belief is!).
It is important to understand that all religions preach tolerance and goodness. The Quran continually exhorts its followers to pursue peace until the end of days, how can this be taken as a religion of violence and terror? It is Osama's personal vendatta against "western civilisation" that has got Muslims all over the world so deeply troubled, and non-Muslims so hostile against the Muslims. In a way, the trap had been sprung. I only hope that the strong cohesion of the Singaporean way of life will be able to withstand these onslaughts.
As a Muslim, I categorically condemn the attacks that were laid out by that villian Osama. It is amusing to see people being indignant about this. I mean, they would think that hey, since I'm a Muslim, I should stick together with the terrorists and be one with them in heart, spirit and cause. Well, using this type of crooked logic, it would make perfect sense to also say that since I'm a Chinese, I'm also a fervent Communist. But that's not so. In this world, there are Chinese who believe in Communism, and Chinese who don't. I don't take the whole of China as a whole reflection of the race.
In the same vein, it is interesting to note that almost all of the Muslims who use the word 'jihad' are people who live in third-world countries, or in a nation stricken by war, poverty, corruption and a repressive government. Like the Chinese students who rose up in rebellion against the Communist regime in Tianamen Square, Muslim leaders have consistently used religion to unite the people in their cause. In effect, it is a rebellion very much like any rebellion, except that Muslim leaders abuse the name of Islam.
I would have to agree wholeheartedly with tripwire on that.
In Singapore, it is important to maintain a culture that transcends all faiths, all races. Hehe, doesn't mean that if I'm a Muslim, I'm a 'bumiputra' lover and a 'dog-hater'. My good sense recognises the mistakes of a system that is not based on meritocracy, and exults everytime Singapore excels in something, some branch of science or some niche in business. In Singapore, there is no need for a Muslim way, or a Christian way, or a Hindu way. The Singaporean way is enough, because it is the way of tolerance and patience. That is why I'm confident that no Muslim in Singapore would ever be "tricked" into the schemes of mad mullahs and crazy Osamas...
It only takes a little bit of brainpower to realise that as a human, I recognise the evil behind Osama's deeds. Take away my faith, and I will still see Osama as evil. I don't have to be a Muslim or a Hindu or a Christian to understand what evil means.
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If its not Islam that is the cause of anti-western feelings in muslims, then what is? No offense, if the real cause is Osama, and muslim extremists, then it should only serve to strengthen the cause to wipe them out.
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I wish that life were so simple; if Islam were a religion that promoted ant-western feelings, it is very easy to eradicate the problem...wipe all Muslims out of the world...
hehe, unfortunately, you got the wrong end of the root. Whether the Palestinians are Muslim or not, they would still have cause to hate Israel and the United States.
It's the same thing for Lebanese Christians who join the Lebanese Liberation Army. It doesn't matter if they are Christian or not. They'll still wage their war to free Lebanon from Israel's occupation.
Terrorism is a result of the environment, not religion. It is unfortunate that some leaders, especially in the Middle-East, turn such political fights into religious fights. I do agree with you that this is an abuse of power; a purely human fault that transcends all faiths and creeds. Take Adolf Hitler and Slobodan Milosevic for example. They needed something to unite the people to their cause, so they used religion to stir up the feelings of the population. Hitler, Milosevic, Chairman Mao (who used Communism, of course) and Osama share the same bed. They are masters of propoganda, and their trap is a vicious one that affects everybody. Create a divide between "US" and the "OTHER", and whip up the sentiments of "US" against the "OTHER"...and when "OTHER" retaliates, "US" will have fresh reasons to stay united and fight my bloody war.
As Singaporeans, let us not fall into this trap. Don't alienate our fellow citizens because then, our national pledge will be a farce. "Pledge ourselves as one united people, regardless of race, language or religion..."
I recited the pledge many times in school, and then during my NS days where I shared the same shit with Chinese, Indian and Malay soldiers. I mean to stick by it...
Again, I reiterate my Muslim position that Osama should be brought to justice. What he did was reprehensible beyond measure, and goes against every grain of Islam.
Stereotypes never work, and indeed sow the seeds for future conflict. I share your anger, your pain and indignance for the innocent lives lost in New York. Make no mistake about that. And I share America's pressing desire to wipe out the terrorist's elements in the world.
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Okay, i'm gonna sound very stupid if this does not happen. But some guy who claims to have a vision, says that China will be the target of terrorism. Next.
He said that the Great wall will be one of the first targets, as well as having other targets in Beijing.
I don't know of any current active militia groups in China, but there ARE some muslim militants severely oppressed there, that is a fact which I know.
I'd rather feel stupid than have this realise. But I have a feeling that he might be correct.
Also, muslim radicals in Indonesia and Malaysia has also been stirred up. They may be plotting some other attempts @ destabilising the region. I remind you guys once again, Singapore is caught between these 2, and i suspect we might become a target. Singapore is not alone, Thailand too may become a target, as there are already known militant groups there.
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Hmmn..not sure if the Muslims in the Xinjiang province have connections to the terrorist's network. I certainly hope not. The Great Wall of China is a treasure, and it would be terrible if it is targeted by bombing...but i don't think that the terrorist's style...their goal is to target as many civilian losses as possible.
Anyway, it is truly frightening if Malaysian and Indoneisan radicals spilled over into Singapore. The double-trap I mentioned earlier is going to be sprung. Innocent Muslims in Singapore may become the targets of hate-crimes, and then some of them will be pushed into defending themselves. Which means they will have no choice but to join the radicals. Not because they share the radicals' ideology, but because the community is alienated from the rest of society.
This is just speculation, of course. I sincerely hope that this will not happen. Whatever it is, I think it's important Singaporeans pull together and defend our way of life, not as Malay, Chinese or Indian, but as peace-lovers.
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The Great wall is not an empty brick wall. But a wall marched by thousands of tourists from different lands. Imagine that, if it gets blown.
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Well, looks like the attack in China didn't happen as planned. But lets not rule out the possibilities.
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i have to totally agree with this....at the end of the day its the environment and situations which drives all the terrorism...Originally posted by salivateforme:I wish that life were so simple; if Islam were a religion that promoted ant-western feelings, it is very easy to eradicate the problem...wipe all Muslims out of the world...
hehe, unfortunately, you got the wrong end of the root. Whether the Palestinians are Muslim or not, they would still have cause to hate Israel and the United States.
It's the same thing for Lebanese Christians who join the Lebanese Liberation Army. It doesn't matter if they are Christian or not. They'll still wage their war to free Lebanon from Israel's occupation.
Terrorism is a result of the environment, not religion. It is unfortunate that some leaders, especially in the Middle-East, turn such political fights into religious fights. I do agree with you that this is an abuse of power; a purely human fault that transcends all faiths and creeds. Take Adolf Hitler and Slobodan Milosevic for example. They needed something to unite the people to their cause, so they used religion to stir up the feelings of the population. Hitler, Milosevic, Chairman Mao (who used Communism, of course) and Osama share the same bed. They are masters of propoganda, and their trap is a vicious one that affects everybody. Create a divide between "US" and the "OTHER", and whip up the sentiments of "US" against the "OTHER"...and when "OTHER" retaliates, "US" will have fresh reasons to stay united and fight my bloody war.
As Singaporeans, let us not fall into this trap. Don't alienate our fellow citizens because then, our national pledge will be a farce. "Pledge ourselves as one united people, regardless of race, language or religion..."
I recited the pledge many times in school, and then during my NS days where I shared the same shit with Chinese, Indian and Malay soldiers. I mean to stick by it...
Again, I reiterate my Muslim position that Osama should be brought to justice. What he did was reprehensible beyond measure, and goes against every grain of Islam.
Stereotypes never work, and indeed sow the seeds for future conflict. I share your anger, your pain and indignance for the innocent lives lost in New York. Make no mistake about that. And I share America's pressing desire to wipe out the terrorist's elements in the world. -
I would wonder about wat's gonna happen should we sterotype against malays. The malay ppl arent the only muslims. how abt indian muslims and chinese muslims? aRe we gonna take it out against them juz becoz they are followers of islam?
It is important to note that supporters of osama are definitely misled by his use of islam to justify his own goal to attack american citizens. in fact, i think those ppl who do support them lack in depth in understanding wat the Quran says. They would juz literally translate "jihad" as actual war and will fight it all against the US of A. its true that the US and the israelis hv their faults, but it doesnt mean that muslims should fight it out against them, to "cleanse blood with blood". its basically wrong. we have to bring those misled muslims back 2 the right track: islam does not advocate killing of the innocents at all.
we run a real risk of having strains in the relationship of muslims and non-muslims if we continue to sterotype malays.
salivateforme is right. we must remove the sterotyping of the malays and also remove Osama and his associates... We dun say the pledge 4 no gd reason.
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IF the lack of understanding of the koran is the cause of the problem..... the key is to have wise recognised islamic teachers to go on TV and teach the koran to all muslims and non muslims as well on the correct meanings of the koran, such a move will help to correct the misunderstanding and foster greater awareness among different religion and races......Originally posted by oeitou:I would wonder about wat's gonna happen should we sterotype against malays. The malay ppl arent the only muslims. how abt indian muslims and chinese muslims? aRe we gonna take it out against them juz becoz they are followers of islam?
It is important to note that supporters of osama are definitely misled by his use of islam to justify his own goal to attack american citizens. in fact, i think those ppl who do support them lack in depth in understanding wat the Quran says. They would juz literally translate "jihad" as actual war and will fight it all against the US of A. its true that the US and the israelis hv their faults, but it doesnt mean that muslims should fight it out against them, to "cleanse blood with blood". its basically wrong. we have to bring those misled muslims back 2 the right track: islam does not advocate killing of the innocents at all.
we run a real risk of having strains in the relationship of muslims and non-muslims if we continue to sterotype malays.
salivateforme is right. we must remove the sterotyping of the malays and also remove Osama and his associates... We dun say the pledge 4 no gd reason.
IN fact... why not have an entrance exam for all muslims.... muslims who failed their koran understanding must be forced to go for lessons under a reputatable teacher of koran.
in fact why not have a school, a proper school for those who fail the exam.... i think GOD would be pleased to see his followers really trying to understand his teachings.... rather then just go to a mosque and sing songs which they dont understand..... -
they hv exams for religious classes in mosques in spore... suppose they are teaching the right stuff... better than in sumwhere else where the ppl follow the whims of osama...
still sum ppl supporting osama in spore...(sum sec 4 kid that i noe)
wat to do abt them? sum ppl are not easily convinced...
------------------Originally posted by tripwire:IF the lack of understanding of the koran is the cause of the problem..... the key is to have wise recognised islamic teachers to go on TV and teach the koran to all muslims and non muslims as well on the correct meanings of the koran, such a move will help to correct the misunderstanding and foster greater awareness among different religion and races......
IN fact... why not have an entrance exam for all muslims.... muslims who failed their koran understanding must be forced to go for lessons under a reputatable teacher of koran.
in fact why not have a school, a proper school for those who fail the exam.... i think GOD would be pleased to see his followers really trying to understand his teachings.... rather then just go to a mosque and sing songs which they dont understand.....
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are these ppl who u 'interviewed' your frens? if yes, then it tells alot about yourself, doesn't it? fancy, for most malays in singapore, they don't have such thinking, and your group of malay frens seem so different from the mainstream malay singaporeans. i advise u to change social circle, or is it, u feel you belongingness to this group, who knows, you might harbour the same intention - to stir troubles..Originally posted by tripwire:i have asked.... trust me... the response was shinning in their eyes as they try desperately to hide the gladness at the american's misfortune... some simply declared it without a thought that the american deserved it..... this despite the fact that america has done nothing against the local and regional malays is truely loathsome.
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I think one thing is because of the DIFFERENCE in BACKGROUND and CULTURE... In SINGAPORE, we're actually VERY FORTUNATE to be in such CLOSE CONTACT with our DIFFERENT RACES and RELIGION followers.... Somehow the DEVELOPMENT of the TOLERANCE is NOT easy... But WE DID IT...
The MORE IMPORTANT thing I guess for now would be to continue to keep up with the GOOD WORK and APPRECIATE the RICH CULTUREs of the others... I MEAN... People CHOOSE what they wanna do and believe in... We should learn to RESPECT them and NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST them.... Only then would we be able to EARN the EQUAL RESPECT in return and UPHOLD the BALANCE.... We're SENSIBLE people in Singapore and certainly won't MISTAKE a MUSLIM for a TERRORIST... Or even a MUSLIM for another OSAMA....
ONCE AGAIN, GREAT WORK SINGAPOREANS!
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