Singapore At War
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i want fixed MRLS system on top of all the HDB flats... 2*12 launchers per HDB flat... all MRLS system will come with auto rocket or artillery projectile sensor.... The second one of those rockets coming heading straight for singapore.... thoudsands and thoudsand of rockets will raze johor to the ground....Originally posted by YourFather:Speaking of MLRS systems, assuming we are getting the US MLRS system, should we get the HIMARS version or the normal version. I believe that getting the normal tracked version is better as the HIMARS air-mobility is not really needed, and it has only half the firepower of the normal version. What say you guys?
See... i can be very very friendly one.... muahahaaaa....
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No need to get such non-sense destructive weapons like MLRS or multiple rockets launcher from China la. I suggest we encourage some smart kids from school developed a cheap self-guided mini crusie missile which can lock onto the backside of whoever U hate and wish to ka-boom, as easy as that, if succeed give that chap a distinction
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my personal opinion will be it is the best if both versions can be acquire.The track can provide advantages in homeland defence
by firing on advance enemy for the wheeled version which has only half the firepower it can be use as an integrated rapid deployment force
with the arm forces.Since in todays warfare speed is the decisive factor i will opt for HIMARS
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StarWars Missile Defense System
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dont be ignorant, our neighbouring country dont possessed(so far till now and to the extent of analytical warfare prediction) any inter-continential ballistic weapons or missile. if what you meant is a mortar or artillery, it will be laughable to said that it will decimate our singa instantaneously... asked whether i will die for my country as a patriot, my answer is no and anyway, what had inspired you to ponder on this question, huh? What is there to protect in singapore when there is nothing more worthy enough than our life?Originally posted by oppositionparty:If a war with neighbouring country occurs,
are you willing to die for your country? Do you believe that SAF has the abilities to win the war considering the fighter planes, warships and the soldiers that we have? If a missile is fired from the neighbouring country, do you think we have the capability to counter the missile before it reaches Singapore? -
now now now guys, if the relevant and much anticipated infrastructures in this forum is going to surface in reality, i guess there will be more blunted price hikes and the government is going to raise seditions among fellow singaporean. speed is essential nowadays but in singa, we dont have the privilege to enjoy it... anyway whats the use of spending money on unessential things?Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:my personal opinion will be it is the best if both versions can be acquire.The track can provide advantages in homeland defence
by firing on advance enemy for the wheeled version which has only half the firepower it can be use as an integrated rapid deployment force
with the arm forces.Since in todays warfare speed is the decisive factor i will opt for HIMARS -
i gotta agreed with little more than ever... well at least for the former part of his comments... the americans movies especially large scale ones always like to brandish with european histories plus a zest of fictional twist to it... not only will it be more intriguing and at the same time invoked a sense of participation among the audience... u got carried away by the plot... one such people is revelationOriginally posted by LittleMan:Revelation,
please allow me to side-track a bit ...
don't believe too much about what you watched in BraveHeart. I personally loved that show and had watched it more than 20 times (on VCD) and I had also personally went to Scotland to know more about this man called William Wallace. I had also went to Stirling, the place where William Wallace won the war against the English (not the one you saw on movie !). I had read about him, talk to experts (Scottish doing history) about him and to my atonishment, he was not the man who was being portrayed in BraveHeart ! Quite disappointing ....
as for little who claimed that he did went to stirling to verify his assumption, i find it suspiciously unbelievable! but who cares? he can submerged in his own dream land and drowned! -
Aiyak, can't we just talk c**k on regional countries weaponary system capabilities (aka who has the best bang for the bucks). No need to bring in non-ending political agenda or swear your loyalty to Ah Long son or Matland old crap, the tudung/freedom to f**k/racist never-ending story...
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honestly, men are men. If the leaders run, they following.
SO FIND ME A GOOD LEADER & I FIND YOU A GOOD SOLDIER.
LEAD BY EXAMPLE that is what they said.......
So is our leader prepare to stay with the people or prepare to run when the war errupts. So dont blame the NSF/NSmen for not having confidence in our Army. We wont see our leader children hanging around in time of sacrifies.
Who know when the time comes...you will only find the poor defending for their own lives.
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you very dementedOriginally posted by tripwire:i want fixed MRLS system on top of all the HDB flats... 2*12 launchers per HDB flat... all MRLS system will come with auto rocket or artillery projectile sensor.... The second one of those rockets coming heading straight for singapore.... thoudsands and thoudsand of rockets will raze johor to the ground....
See... i can be very very friendly one.... muahahaaaa.... -
New update on Singapore weapons acquisition:
On 17 July 2002, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Singapore of F-16 munitions, services and support as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $120 million.
The Government of Singapore has requested a possible sale of munitions, services and support for F-16C/D aircraft which includes 2 MQM-107 target drones, 9 AIM-9 Sidewinder coolant bottles, 105,000 20mm cartridges, 36 AGM-65G Infrared Guidance Control Sections, 324 GBU-10 and 108 GBU-12J/B guided bomb units, modification kits, maintenance, flight training, spare and repair parts, support equipment, program management, publications and documentation, personnel training, training equipment, logistics personnel services and other related elements of program support. The estimated cost is $120 million. -
Where did you find this piece of news? Can you provide us the link please.Originally posted by YourFather:New update on Singapore weapons acquisition:
On 17 July 2002, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Singapore of F-16 munitions, services and support as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $120 million.
The Government of Singapore has requested a possible sale of munitions, services and support for F-16C/D aircraft which includes 2 MQM-107 target drones, 9 AIM-9 Sidewinder coolant bottles, 105,000 20mm cartridges, 36 AGM-65G Infrared Guidance Control Sections, 324 GBU-10 and 108 GBU-12J/B guided bomb units, modification kits, maintenance, flight training, spare and repair parts, support equipment, program management, publications and documentation, personnel training, training equipment, logistics personnel services and other related elements of program support. The estimated cost is $120 million.
Wow, RSAF getting the target drones? Does anyone know if the drones are used for real live firing of the AAMs or SAMs? but why only 2?
Another interesting thing is that RSAF continues to use the second generation of Paveway LGBs instead of getting newer generations one. Furthermore, how come RSAF never acquire standoff missiles for the Vipers like the Popeyes? -
Source : Defense Security Cooperation Agency ;issued July 17, 2002
"Another interesting thing is that RSAF continues to use the second generation of Paveway LGBs instead of getting newer generations one. Furthermore, how come RSAF never acquire standoff missiles for the Vipers like the Popeyes?"
The 2nd Gen Paveway was specifically designed for low-level runs into the target, thus its bigger wings to give it greater lift and therefore, horizontal travelling distance. However, going low to a target in Malaysia is pointless with their lack of medium to high altitude SAMs, and even their latest SAM purchase, the Rapier, doesn't give them this capability. I guess this is the same reason for them not getting the Popeye. There's no need for a stand-off missile system yet. -
Hey guys, something strange seems to have happened up north...
"Southeast Asia
A Royal Malaysian Air Force MiG shoots down an unidentified fixed wing aircraft
By Anil Netto
PENANG, Malaysia - Symbolizing a recent unrest in the village south of Ipoh, the local natives have claimed to see an aircraft going down and plunging into the sea after being hit by a missile, at around 4:25 pm. As the local eyewitnesses describe, a single tailed aircraft was seen pursued by another twin tailed aircraft. The single tailed aircraft wasn't making any hard maneuvers but the second aircraft was constantly trying to keep up with the first one, on certain occassions, it did fly close enough. After a few minutes, the first one took a sharp turn and headed north, when finally the second aircraft pulled back and launched a missile, which gave a direct hit and set the first aircraft's engine ablaze. Then it seemed to lose control and head for the sea for a direct plunge. By the grace of God local citizens aren't hurt. But what is amazing is that some of the local eyewitnesses claim that the twin tailed aircraft was the RMAF MiG-29 armed with four R-73 AAMs, and the aircraft that was shot was an Indonesian F-16 Fighter, since it came from that direction. But the government officials are more tight lipped on the topic. One of the RMAF spokesperson has told our correspondent that the fact an aircraft was shot was though true, but it was certainly not an Indonesian F-16. What the government official add in is that it was an UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle) drone undergoing tests. The UAV went out of control and since it was headed for the more populated area of Imoh, it was shot down by a MiG-29. Further details still remain classified."
This is from the Asia Times. http://asiatimes.ionichost.com/malaysia/current/Hcc432HSDyHyXCkU23.htm
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Looks like a bag of BS to me. Read the rest of the articles in the website, I'd think this "paper" is aiming to be Asia's equivalent to the Onion.
Only thing believable IMO about the report was that the RMAF could only intercept any intruders AFTER they've gone deep into Malaysia.
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Again, we have villagers and coconut tree climbers identifying combat aircraft.
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Wow... Villagers can identify the missile right down to its type? Hard to believe, maybe its just some propaganda report, I won't read too much into it.
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Central Asia
Russia shoots to rule Asian skies
By John Helmer
MOSCOW - Singapore defense officials have told Russia's arms export agency Rosoboronexport that they expect the Sukhoi Su-30 fighter-bomber will make it to the short list of three aircraft to be considered in the current tender to replace the Singapore Air Force's aging fleet of US-made A-4 Skyhawks.
A military agency official told Asia Times Online that the multi-purpose Sukhoi combat aircraft impressed the Singapore officers who observed the aircraft in demonstrations at the Moscow air show last August, and at the Asian Aerospace-2002 show in Singapore this year. The official added that in the current competition between the European Typhoon, France's Rafale and three US models, the F-15 Eagle, F-16 Falcon and F-18 Super-Hornet, the Su-30 should reach the second round of the selection process.
The confidence of Rosoboronexport has been enhanced in recent weeks by signals of interest from other countries in Russian arms, particularly Sukhoi aircraft.
The Malaysian government remains close to a decision, but is still uncommitted on whether to buy the Su-30. The aircraft was flown in demonstrations at Malaysia's Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace (LIMA) exhibition last October.
After several years of negotiations in the early 1990s, which saw intense rivalry from Washington for Malaysia to buy the F-18 Hornet, Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammad split his air force acquisition into two, buying 18 Mikoyan MiG-29s and an equal number of Hornets. The Malaysian Air Force has been considering a follow-on order, and the Boeing-built F-18, in a modified form, is again competing against the Russians.
China's Air Force has already contracted to buy the Su-30MKK, which is equipped with Russian avionics. The Su-30MKM model to be offered to Malaysia is equipped with Russian and European avionics, and is more suited to English-speaking pilots. The first two Su30MKI aircraft were delivered to India on June 21, and another eight are being transported over the next few weeks.
Starting in 2004, licensed production of the aircraft will begin in India, and local production lines are expected to roll out a total of 140 aircraft, according to the terms of a deal signed in 2000. According to Rosoboronexport, the radar and engines of the Su-30MKI have not been exported anywhere else in the world. The agency claims that the radar allows the aircraft to fight effectively with several enemy aircraft at the same time.
And Brazil, too, is close to preferring Sukhoi over intense competition from the US and France. In the Brazilian tender, Rosoboronexport has offered licensed production by Brazilian aerospace companies of the Su-35. The bidding for replacement of Brazil's old Mirage-III fighters has been sharpened by the Brazilian government's decision to exclude the US F-16 and F-18 from the final round, leaving Sukhoi running against Mirage-2000.
The general director of Rosoboronexport, Andrei Belyaninov, said last week that in the first half of this year revenues from arms sales topped US$2 billion. "We expect the results for the second half of the year to be at least equal to the first half." However, he said that the recent estimate placing Russia as the leading arms exporter in the world - in a publication last month by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) - is inaccurate.
"In our opinion," Belyaninov said, "Russia is currently in the third or fourth place among the world's leading arms exporters, while the US is the leader."
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Originally posted by CenturionMBT:
More BS from Asia's the Onion
[b]Central Asia
Russia shoots to rule Asian skies
By John Helmer
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IMO the Su-30 is virtually an also-ran in the competition. Although an RFI was issued to Sukhoi, I doubt there is serious interest on the part of RSAF to actually order the aircraft. While on paper the aircraft and systems are considered modern, and much cheaper than Western counterparts, should Singapore decide to order the aircraft, integration of the systems to keep them in line with the rest of our equipment would increase the price. Not to mention the notoriety for Russian equipment to be high maintenance, it would be a case of penny-wise, pound foolish. The startup costs might be cheaper, but in the long run, the total costs to buy, operate and maintain a buch of Su-30s might outstrip that for the other systems on offer.
IMO when 3 are eliminated from the RSAF's list for the RFP, the contenders should look like this:
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- Typhoon
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Hey are u guy out there convinced with this report that Su-30 is expected to make it into the top 3 contenders by DSTA.
For me i doubt it.Singapore just dun really favour russian made planes.Well it doesnt have a history of using Russian planes.Rather more to the Nato ones,U cant expect singapore fighter pliots or technical personnel to get use to russian aeronautical system.It just dun make sense......we dun have any attachment there compare to Nato.Beside the russian has a bad reputation for it lack of spare part,inefficient logistic.....etc.Many third world countries favour russian planes cause they are cheap and virtually no restriction resulting in corruption in the bureau itself
Eurofighter 2000 is still the better choice to consider -
My prediction for the 3 finalist will be:
EF2000
F-16 Block 60
Rafael onmi fighter
I predict F-15 will be off the board cause of its age in the world air power althru it is battle proven.
high load capacity,air superiority.
Their maintenance is simply too exorbitant in long run.
We look are looking for low maintenance cost.Most important transfer of technology.......
Good technical support......
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My prediction is in the following order:Originally posted by Viper52:IMO when 3 are eliminated from the RSAF's list for the RFP, the contenders should look like this:
- Rafale
- Typhoon
- F-15
1. Rafale F2/F3
2. Ef2000 Typhoon
3. F18 E/F
I just think that F-15 E (or sub variant) are too old for the future theater. The F-15s will light up a radar scope like Xmas tree whereas, a similar size Super bug will be at worst be a 1/3 in radar cross section of an F-15E. -
Originally posted by CenturionMBT:
Well, the Russians can hope and I do wish them good luck, but I just can't see RSAF getting Russian made planes. ST Aero is not big enuff to start making license copy SU-30. Unlike the South Korean, Japanese and Taiwanese who have pretty decent size aerospace companies to license build fighter aircraft, Singapore cannot risk buying into an fighter type with questionable and inconsistent spare parts supply as shown by the Russians till now. Just look at the air forces of the Indian and the Malaysians, I think we need to learn from their experience and not get entice by the seemingly cheap fighters and end up with big headaches.
Central Asia
Russia shoots to rule Asian skies
By John Helmer
MOSCOW - Singapore defense officials have told Russia's arms export agency Rosoboronexport that they expect the Sukhoi Su-30 fighter-bomber will make it to the short list of three aircraft to be considered in the current tender to replace the Singapore Air Force's aging fleet of US-made A-4 Skyhawks.
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Personally, I think the Super bugs will be the most cost effective, but Rafales represent the best value for money in terms of the technology edge they will provide to their user. The only down side of Rafales are that RSAF may have to yet purchase another French missile (ie. Mica). If only Dassault will integrate AMRAAMs and AIM-9X onto the Rafales.... -
NATO munitions are NOT compatible with Su-30s, Period.
We should be getting aircraft that are relatively small, yet advanced. Long legs, room for potential development as well as compatibility. And of course, potential to use (PROVEN) PGMs, and in future Stand off munitions. So far, I've yet to see a single NATO weapon that can be armed on a Russian fighter, and vice versa. And no PGM is as proven as the US-GBUs. The SU-30 is a HUGE plane, in terms of RCS as well as total size. Would take up a bit too much space.
My Guess,
1. EF2000
2. Rafale
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I believe F-18 might not make it to the top 3 finalist.Surely the mindef simply dun wish to acquire the some machine which is the same as the Malaysian government,since the malaysian got the planes earlier they know the systems specification and technical aspect clearer than us.It can be a disadvantage to us besides F-18E/F is not a new planes by boeing.
Can the US provide a better package compare to the europe counterpart.
Even the russian give us a better package to the US