what great neighbors we have.
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'Militants are our brothers-in-arms'
KUALA LUMPUR - PAS chief Abdul Hadi Awang yesterday embraced Hamas and Islamic Jihad militant groups openly as brothers-in-arms and said that Palestinian suicide bombers were martyrs giving up their lives to save thousands.
His declaration is a measure of how much Muslim sentiments here have shifted in the two years since Sept 11.
Sympathy towards the United States over the tragedy and fear of being tagged a militant sympathiser have given way way to open support of organisations viewed by the West as terrorist groups.
While the conservative Islamic party has always had links with Hamas and Islamic Jihad, it has preferred not to trumpet it in public for fear of being seen as too radical.
There was no such inhibition yesterday.
Datuk Hadi Awang said: 'PAS will always be with our friends from Hamas and Islamic Jihad, even though they have been labelled as terrorists or criminals by the imperialist power United States and the Zionist regime in Israel.'
His statement drew a chorus of Allahu Akbar (God is great) from 2,000 PAS delegates at the assembly.
He ridiculed the US-led war on terrorism, saying that the Bush administration's designs in Afghanistan and Iraq were motivated by a thirst for oil.
During a press conference, the PAS president said the Jemaah Islamiah bombing of the JW Marriott Hotel in Jakarta 'is not allowed in Islam', drawing a distinction between such attacks and Palestinians and Chechnyans fighting oppression. -- Brendan Pereira -
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'They don't exist'
Head of Islamic group sparks controversy by saying JI was created by US to put pressure on Indonesia
By Devi Asmarani
JAKARTA - A leader of Indonesia's largest Islamic group, the Nadhlatul Ulama (NU), has sparked an uproar by saying that the Jemaah Islamiah (JI) terror group does not exist.
He made the remarks last weekend, a day after the United States froze the assets and accounts of 10 suspected terrorists and shortly after a court acquitted militant cleric Abu Bakar Bashir of the charges of being JI's spiritual leader.
'The verdict of Bashir is proof that JI does not exist in Indonesia, even if it exists in other countries,' Mr Hasyim said in Surabaya, East Java on Saturday.
He said that the US was playing the JI card to put pressure on and control Indonesia and other Muslim countries.
JI is a label applied to Muslim movements, especially fundamentalist ones, in order to push them into a corner, he said.
His comments raised eyebrows as many feared that it could signal a setback in the country's fight against terrorism.
They came as a surprise as he and his 40-million strong organisation had been at the forefront of efforts by religious leaders to condemn militancy and support the government's efforts to fight terrorism.
On Wednesday, three foreign envoys separately met the cleric at his office to seek a clarification on his statement.
US Ambassador to Indonesia Ralph Boyce said: 'There has been some confusing statement (made by Mr Hasyim) in headlines of several print media which recently said that JI did not exist. So I want to seek clarification and hold a regular meeting to clear the confusion.
'People might think that terrorism is not a serious problem. Indeed, terrorism is a very serious problem,' he said.
Later, the cleric met separately Australian Ambassador to Indonesia David Ritchie and a member of the European Parliament, Mr Hartmut Nassauer.
What emerged was an agreement between him and the foreign envoys that terrorism was not associated with a particular religion and that the US and Indonesia should continue to work together to fight the threats of terrorism.
As for his earlier remark, Mr Hasyim said he believed there were terrorist organisations in Indonesia, but he did not know for sure whether JI did exist in Indonesia.
'In the past 30 years I have been in NU, I have never known of such an organisation, where its office is and who its figures are,' he said in a joint press briefing with Mr Boyce after their meeting.
'It could be an underground group, but that is still based on intelligence reports. We still don't know the truth,' he said.
He added: 'I never meant to undermine our efforts to fight terrorism by saying this.'
While the ambassadors tried to smooth over the differences of opinion, observes said that they appeared to have been disappointed at the way Mr Hasyim contradicted himself and his organisation's stance on terrorism in Indonesia.
A Western analyst said: 'The US government and its allies have relied on Mr Hasyim as the leader of the largest Muslim organisation to support the campaign against terrorism.
'He should have known that this kind of statement would send the wrong signal both to Indonesians and the international community.'
Many believe that Mr Hasyim, like other Indonesian politicians, including Vice-President Hamzah Haz, was merely playing to domestic audience with his latest anti-US statement.
Analysts and foreign observers said his statement was probably politically motivated, citing the fact that he was considering running for presidency or the vice-presidency.
Mr Muniem Sirri, a Muslim scholar from the Paramadina Foundation, said: 'By saying that JI did not exist, Mr Hasyim only gives room to the hardliners, making it seem like he is protecting them.' -
hmm... i feel hor... should hv a balance.. not just simply symphatise with usa's loss, we are just stroking their ego, but we also shouldn't be so dumb as to all out respect these bullsh!t muslim millitants..
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Such are the dangerous perspectives that an extremist's mind can hold.
In loyalty to their kind, they will strive by all means to have us, the non-conformist fraction with their beliefs, killed.
Irregardless of the methodology, they will try any means that is available to them, to terrorise and to inflict harm upon the mass.
Hence in loyalty to our kind, we too cannot afford to practice the vitue of being humane towards them.
This is the reality of the time. But how many will truly appreciate on the urgency to have these threats annihilated?
I for one, will advocate for more vicious and hard-handed measures will have to be taken in order for the Governmental fraction to be more effective and efficient.
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i agree.Originally posted by Trojan:Hence in loyalty to our kind, we too cannot afford to practice the vitue of being humane towards them.
This is the reality of the time. But how many will truly appreciate on the urgency to have these threats annihilated?
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i think they're just brainwashed pieces of diseased pondscum who conveniently forgot that murder is a sin in their religion...
their leaders are just screwed up pieces of pigturd who deluded themselves into thinking that their envy can be disguised as hatred in the name of religion...
it's sick!
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What a joke it is that the Malaysian Government is embarrassed with Jack Neo's latest movie - "Home Run".
The argument amongst a group of neighborhood boys over the right to use water from a well, seems to be too close for comfort in the 'real adult world' quarrel between Singapore and Malaysia.
Certainly confirms the hollowness of the Malaysian Government's position that they should be afraid of an incident from Jack Neo's movie.
Malaysia to ban Jack Neo's Homerun
MALAYSIA is banning Jack Neo's latest movie, Homerun.
Mr Daniel Yun, CEO of Raintree Pictures, which made the film, said the Malaysian authorities believe audiences could interpret certain scenes as alluding to bilateral issues, like the water dispute.
One of these scenes could be where two groups of boys quarrel over the right to use water from the kampung well.
Previously, when Mr Neo was asked if there were references to the water dispute, the director-scriptwriter had said: 'I'll leave this up to the audience's imagination.
'The story is a movie about the love between siblings, who may quarrel and fight, but realise kinship is still very precious at the end of the day.'
The movie, which opened here on Aug 7, is set in pre-Independence Singapore and about two siblings who have to share a pair of shoes.
Malaysia also deemed that certain scenes 'will bring about negative elements and bad examples to education and upbringing', Mr Yun said. Raintree, which planned to release the movie in Malaysia this month, will appeal to the Malaysian censors.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
basically... malaysia is ashamed of their fukked up attitute and is trying to cover up the truth by banning the movie.. malaysia is covering up and acting righteous about it... pathetic...
What a joke it is that the Malaysian Government is embarrassed with Jack Neo's latest movie - "Home Run".
The argument amongst a group of neighborhood boys over the right to use water from a well, seems to be too close for comfort in the 'real adult world' quarrel between Singapore and Malaysia.
Certainly confirms the hollowness of the Malaysian Government's position that they should be afraid of an incident from Jack Neo's movie.
[b]Malaysia to ban Jack Neo's Homerun
MALAYSIA is banning Jack Neo's latest movie, Homerun.
Mr Daniel Yun, CEO of Raintree Pictures, which made the film, said the Malaysian authorities believe audiences could interpret certain scenes as alluding to bilateral issues, like the water dispute.
One of these scenes could be where two groups of boys quarrel over the right to use water from the kampung well.
Previously, when Mr Neo was asked if there were references to the water dispute, the director-scriptwriter had said: 'I'll leave this up to the audience's imagination.
'The story is a movie about the love between siblings, who may quarrel and fight, but realise kinship is still very precious at the end of the day.'
The movie, which opened here on Aug 7, is set in pre-Independence Singapore and about two siblings who have to share a pair of shoes.
Malaysia also deemed that certain scenes 'will bring about negative elements and bad examples to education and upbringing', Mr Yun said. Raintree, which planned to release the movie in Malaysia this month, will appeal to the Malaysian censors.
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they can ban the movie, but who's stopping the malaysian pirates to pirate the movie and letting the people know their umno government is screwed up -
Originally posted by nismoS132:
We need to be clear here.
[b]'Militants are our brothers-in-arms'
KUALA LUMPUR - PAS chief Abdul Hadi Awang yesterday embraced Hamas and Islamic Jihad militant groups openly as brothers-in-arms and said that Palestinian suicide bombers were martyrs giving up their lives to save thousands. [/b]
This is PAS speaking, not the moderate ones in power nor a representive of ane elected government. PAS is trying to sing to the tune of the voters in the next GE. From middle gound muslims, rural settlers and Chinese votes.
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wouldn't statements like this remove all chances of any votes from non muslims as well as the more educated ones?Originally posted by Gun:We need to be clear here.
This is PAS speaking, not the moderate ones in power nor a representive of ane elected government. PAS is trying to sing to the tune of the voters in the next GE. From middle gound muslims, rural settlers and Chinese votes.
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PAS: Malay vote is key to ruling MalaysiaOriginally posted by nismoS132:wouldn't statements like this remove all chances of any votes from non muslims as well as the more educated ones?
PAS vice-president says wresting all of Umno's 72 seats in Parliament can be done by focusing on Malay Muslims
KUALA LUMPUR - Slice away all the religious rhetoric surrounding Parti Islam SeMalaysia (PAS) and this is what's left: another Malay-based political party searching for the quickest way to power.
That path to power was sketched by party vice-president Mustafa Ali on the final day of the party's four-day assembly.
A skilled backroom strategist, he cut through all the fluff from the floor about winning over the non-Muslim electorate by pointing out that PAS needs to wrest all the 72 Umno seats in Parliament to form the next government.
His reasoning is anchored on the unassailable assumption in Malaysian politics - that whoever controls the Malay vote rules the country.
This same assumption has given Umno the managing partner status in the Barisan Nasional coalition and reserved the position of prime minister of Malaysia for the president of Umno.
'The reality is that our country must be based on the Malay Muslims. This means that if there is no Umno, PAS and Keadilan will be the basis of national politics to Malay Muslims,' said Datuk Mustafa.
A fortnight ago, the unflappable politician experienced 25 minutes of provocative and intense questioning by Mr Tim Sebastian, the host of BBC talk show, Hardtalk.
Datuk Mustafa then declared that the session was not challenging enough.
In the 1999 general election, PAS won 27 parliamentary seats on the back of deep divisions in the Malay community over the sacking and jailing of former deputy prime minister Anwar Ibrahim for abuse of power and corruption.
Umno's representation in Parliament dropped from 94 seats in 1995 to 72.
Between 1995 and 1999, the ruling party's share of the popular vote declined from 36.5 per cent to 29.5 per cent.
In 58 parliamentary constituencies in West Malaysia with more than two-thirds Malay voters each, Umno's share of the votes fell from 62 per cent in 1995 to 49 per cent in 1999.
Since that electoral success, PAS members have been setting their sights on the ultimate prize: ruling Malaysia.
Over the past four years, party leaders have worked hard on the Muslim ground and tried to get closer to Chinese and Indian voters.
During the party assembly, Kelantan delegate Hassan Mahmood urged the party leadership to work doubly hard to attract the Chinese vote. 'To attract the Chinese, PAS needs to raise issues about the economy and education and give assurances that their lifestyle will not change,' he said.
The party is also considering allowing non-Muslims to be associate members.
But realistically, leaders like Datuk Mustafa know that many non-Muslims will always be suspicious of the Islamic state agenda of PAS.
He also knows that it will be difficult for a party with limited resources, reach and appeal to win any of the parliamentary constituencies in Sabah and Sarawak, where indigenous non-Muslims still form a significant proportion of the electorate.
So the best way to come to power is to target the 72 constituencies currently held by Umno.
Said Datuk Mustafa: 'We win the Umno seats, we become the backbone.'
That goal will not be possible in the coming elections, he knows.
But party insiders are counting on demographic changes, continued infighting within Umno and growing religious interest among the Malays to deliver the votes in Malay-majority constituencies.
They believe that PAS will achieve power through this route one day.
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i rather have UMNO ruling Msia den PAS..they r bad news to tis region...especially Singapore...Originally posted by IAF:PAS: Malay vote is key to ruling Malaysia
PAS vice-president says wresting all of Umno's 72 seats in Parliament can be done by focusing on Malay Muslims
KUALA LUMPUR - Slice away all the religious rhetoric surrounding Parti Islam SeMalaysia (PAS) and this is what's left: another Malay-based political party searching for the quickest way to power.
That path to power was sketched by party vice-president Mustafa Ali on the final day of the party's four-day assembly.
A skilled backroom strategist, he cut through all the fluff from the floor about winning over the non-Muslim electorate by pointing out that PAS needs to wrest all the 72 Umno seats in Parliament to form the next government.
His reasoning is anchored on the unassailable assumption in Malaysian politics - that whoever controls the Malay vote rules the country.
This same assumption has given Umno the managing partner status in the Barisan Nasional coalition and reserved the position of prime minister of Malaysia for the president of Umno.
'The reality is that our country must be based on the Malay Muslims. This means that if there is no Umno, PAS and Keadilan will be the basis of national politics to Malay Muslims,' said Datuk Mustafa.
A fortnight ago, the unflappable politician experienced 25 minutes of provocative and intense questioning by Mr Tim Sebastian, the host of BBC talk show, Hardtalk.
Datuk Mustafa then declared that the session was not challenging enough.
In the 1999 general election, PAS won 27 parliamentary seats on the back of deep divisions in the Malay community over the sacking and jailing of former deputy prime minister Anwar Ibrahim for abuse of power and corruption.
Umno's representation in Parliament dropped from 94 seats in 1995 to 72.
Between 1995 and 1999, the ruling party's share of the popular vote declined from 36.5 per cent to 29.5 per cent.
In 58 parliamentary constituencies in West Malaysia with more than two-thirds Malay voters each, Umno's share of the votes fell from 62 per cent in 1995 to 49 per cent in 1999.
Since that electoral success, PAS members have been setting their sights on the ultimate prize: ruling Malaysia.
Over the past four years, party leaders have worked hard on the Muslim ground and tried to get closer to Chinese and Indian voters.
During the party assembly, Kelantan delegate Hassan Mahmood urged the party leadership to work doubly hard to attract the Chinese vote. 'To attract the Chinese, PAS needs to raise issues about the economy and education and give assurances that their lifestyle will not change,' he said.
The party is also considering allowing non-Muslims to be associate members.
But realistically, leaders like Datuk Mustafa know that many non-Muslims will always be suspicious of the Islamic state agenda of PAS.
He also knows that it will be difficult for a party with limited resources, reach and appeal to win any of the parliamentary constituencies in Sabah and Sarawak, where indigenous non-Muslims still form a significant proportion of the electorate.
So the best way to come to power is to target the 72 constituencies currently held by Umno.
Said Datuk Mustafa: 'We win the Umno seats, we become the backbone.'
That goal will not be possible in the coming elections, he knows.
But party insiders are counting on demographic changes, continued infighting within Umno and growing religious interest among the Malays to deliver the votes in Malay-majority constituencies.
They believe that PAS will achieve power through this route one day.
Datuk Mustafa yesterday signalled the party's intentions to travel along this path.
October getting nearer..the date Mahadir leaving the office is getting nearer too...will UMNO survive after he left office?
i really cant imagine wat will happen in the coming future if PAS rule Msia... -
Command & Conquer : South East AsiaOriginally posted by NathanG5:i rather have UMNO ruling Msia den PAS..they r bad news to tis region...especially Singapore...
October getting nearer..the date Mahadir leaving the office is getting nearer too...will UMNO survive after he left office?
i really cant imagine wat will happen in the coming future if PAS rule Msia...
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Sorry to have been away, the bomb blast in Munbai affected me alot as I just checked out the previous day to return to Singapore. So no mood to post for a very long time. (near death experience) .. this is the second time it happened. I was actually in USA during September 11 2001, flying from LA to Cincinatti .. so I definately am evaulating my life piorities at the moment.
Anyway, Malaysian election will be called in December 2003, they need to use the schools for the election venues .. As soon as OIC meeting is over and fasting month done with, the Malaysian parliament will be dissolved and the campaigning begins. The election roster is ready and the posters are waiting in the warehouses.
The basic UMNO strategy will be essentially to win Sabah, Sarawak and Johor undisputedly to win the election (hence all the goodies to these 3 states) .. then the rest will be Perak, Selangor, NS, Penang and Malacca for the Chinese votes. The government can then afford to allow Pahang and Kedah to fall to PAS.
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MALAYSIA is banning Jack Neo's latest movie, Homerun.
Mr Daniel Yun, CEO of Raintree Pictures, which made the film, said the Malaysian authorities believe audiences could interpret certain scenes as alluding to bilateral issues, like the water dispute.
One of these scenes could be where two groups of boys quarrel over the right to use water from the kampung well.
This just confirms more theory, SIngaporeans think too much, and its all because of that fashionable Western madness that they learn, YES! English Literature, a contemptable subject for the mad. The scenes in that good touching movie Homerun, about the boys fighting over the well, has absolutely no link with the conflict that SIngapore and Malaysia has over water. And even if there was a link, so ****** what?
Sorry let me amend my thesis, its not just Singaporeans who are thinking too much, its the bloody Malaysians because they are banning the movie haha! Its almost as absurd as the Thais banning "Anna and the King", as if Mongkut is a Brad Pitt to look at anyway. -
it's people like these tt makes me so racist...
Which God teaches their followers to kill?!!?!?
Total crap....
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Originally posted by men_@_arms:
i certainly believe the movie purposely used the malaysia/singapore conflict as part of the movie.. thats what literature is all about.. looking at current problems thru a story.. its a good movie anyway, besides, if malaysia tink they did nth wrong, why so fearful?
[b]MALAYSIA is banning Jack Neo's latest movie, Homerun.
Mr Daniel Yun, CEO of Raintree Pictures, which made the film, said the Malaysian authorities believe audiences could interpret certain scenes as alluding to bilateral issues, like the water dispute.
One of these scenes could be where two groups of boys quarrel over the right to use water from the kampung well.
This just confirms more theory, SIngaporeans think too much, and its all because of that fashionable Western madness that they learn, YES! English Literature, a contemptable subject for the mad. The scenes in that good touching movie Homerun, about the boys fighting over the well, has absolutely no link with the conflict that SIngapore and Malaysia has over water. And even if there was a link, so ****** what?
Sorry let me amend my thesis, its not just Singaporeans who are thinking too much, its the bloody Malaysians because they are banning the movie haha! Its almost as absurd as the Thais banning "Anna and the King", as if Mongkut is a Brad Pitt to look at anyway.[/b] -
certainly believe the movie purposely used the malaysia/singapore conflict as part of the movie.. thats what literature is all about.. looking at current problems thru a story.. its a good movie anyway, besides, if malaysia tink they did nth wrong, why so fearful?
But I thought the movie was just a rip off of the Iranian film children of heaven, it just goes to show the amount of creativity Jack has, more like copying haha! Sooner of later we'll probably see a movie called Men in White (PAP with neurolisers).
Was'nt the movie just intended to depict olden day Singapore, and the struggles of a young boy for his sister? Which was very touching, even I almost cried. But if I were the boy, coming from such a background, I would probably have resorted to theft long ago, just like when I was in London, but i did it for fun. -
And interesting questionable character we have here...a character who steals for "FUN"Originally posted by men_@_arms:[b] But if I were the boy, coming from such a background, I would probably have resorted to theft long ago, just like when I was in London, but i did it for fun. . -
Originally posted by men_@_arms:
Literature is a VERY GOOD subject! anyway, Homerun seems plagarised from "CHildren of Heaven". it cannot relate to SIngaporean CHildren at all and so lacks realism.
[b]MALAYSIA is banning Jack Neo's latest movie, Homerun.
Mr Daniel Yun, CEO of Raintree Pictures, which made the film, said the Malaysian authorities believe audiences could interpret certain scenes as alluding to bilateral issues, like the water dispute.
One of these scenes could be where two groups of boys quarrel over the right to use water from the kampung well.
This just confirms more theory, SIngaporeans think too much, and its all because of that fashionable Western madness that they learn, YES! English Literature, a contemptable subject for the mad. The scenes in that good touching movie Homerun, about the boys fighting over the well, has absolutely no link with the conflict that SIngapore and Malaysia has over water. And even if there was a link, so ****** what?
Sorry let me amend my thesis, its not just Singaporeans who are thinking too much, its the bloody Malaysians because they are banning the movie haha! Its almost as absurd as the Thais banning "Anna and the King", as if Mongkut is a Brad Pitt to look at anyway.[/b] -
jack neo himself openly said his script was adapted from children of heaven, so it's not like he's treating the entire movie as his brain child and taking all the glory.Originally posted by pikamaster:Literature is a VERY GOOD subject! anyway, Homerun seems plagarised from "CHildren of Heaven". it cannot relate to SIngaporean CHildren at all and so lacks realism. -
I'd rather PAS take over in m'sia.It'd be interesting how they screw things up in m'sia with their extremist thinking.....Look at hardcore muslim countries in the world.....how are the state of their countries and economies.m'sia will go downhill from then on and dr moron will suffer strokes after another watching his efforts of 20 years go down the drain in 5 years......haha
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im sure you like to see suicide bombers coming in to Singapore n bomb everywhere they like..remember they our neighbours=very near us=can come in thru causeway=run to nearest woodland market or from Tuas to Boonlay MRT station=kill everyone including you(if you are sway)Originally posted by Héil zë Führer:I'd rather PAS take over in m'sia.It'd be interesting how they screw things up in m'sia with their extremist thinking.....Look at hardcore muslim countries in the world.....how are the state of their countries and economies.m'sia will go downhill from then on and dr moron will suffer strokes after another watching his efforts of 20 years go down the drain in 5 years......haha
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I am actually quite worried for long time about tis...
The feeling I am getting here is tat most people here feel muslims are stupid and deserved to be killed etc... The words used here r very strong too...
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Originally posted by NathanG5:
Correction. The terrorists are already amounst us.
suicide bombers coming in to Singapore n bomb everywhere they like..remember they our neighbours=very near us=can come in thru causeway
Question is When Where and Who.
Crux of the issue here is the mixture of religion with politics.
Islam is now on of the victim of politisation.