Majority of Singaporeans want Lee to retire: Internet poll
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*yawns
Different outlets / venues for 'missing balls' opposers to congregate? Haha...And guess what? We even have a prick blasting away at Singapore's system in the comfort of another country (www.sammyboy.com).
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It was finally admitted that there are 'Boot Lickers' in the SAF, who 'screwed up' the 'interpretation' of 'WH' by giving extra-terrestial treatment to these bunch of pompous degenerates.
Now I wonder if in Politics there will not be the same kind of 'boot lickers' dressed up as 'apple polishers' and 'carpet beggars' as well, willing to gloss over and redefine events in history, so that black becomes white. -
wei, wan to die is it? anyhow ask your chairman to resign. if he resign whois going to lead your board? all the singapore inc, singtel inc, starhub inc, temasek inc, all wait collapse than you know. do you think the peopls running these right now are the most capable of all the iq brainiards in singapore? hahahahahahaha!!!
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I am really pissed off when this LKY comes out to threaten the pliot union group. He is a bloody old man that should go back home and rest!
Is he telling us that Goh chok Tong and his son is incompetent to deal with this issue??
We are in for big trouble having LKY at 80 years old still intervening on such issues.
GO HOME MEN- LKY!!!! -
I am really pissed off when this LKY comes out to threaten the pliot union group. He is a bloody old man that should go back home and rest!
Is he telling us that Goh chok Tong and his son is incompetent to deal with this issue??
We are in for big trouble having LKY at 80 years old still intervening on such issues.
GO HOME MEN- LKY!!!! -
It was finally admitted that there are 'Boot Lickers' in the SAF, who 'screwed up' the 'interpretation' of 'WH' by giving extra-terrestial treatment to these bunch of pompous degenerates.
? like that was something we dun know
i bet even the COA's still carrying someone's balls
sadly thats the way SAF isdo you think the peopls running these right now are the most capable of all the iq brainiards in singapore?
i think they have high iQ but i dun really think they're capable
if they are , our GLCs wouldn't be in such a bad state nowIs he telling us that Goh chok Tong and his son is incompetent to deal with this issue??
i dunno abt Goh , but i think his son isn't capable enough to deal with it -
What is going on with this forum on this topic of LKY's retirement?
Suddenly everyone lost their guts and drop their marbles after he threaten to break your heads and bones.
Come one men have some basic courage. Express your views on this topic!!! -
Ok, fine, my view is that he should continue working as an mp if he thinks that he can do it.Originally posted by relevation:What is going on with this forum on this topic of LKY's retirement?
Suddenly everyone lost their guts and drop their marbles after he threaten to break your heads and bones.
Come one men have some basic courage. Express your views on this topic!!!
Hell, why must everyonedictate evryone's life?It is not that i am a boot licker or anything like that, but it is just that many of the complains i have seen here are very trival as compared to what i see in places like indonesia , india cambodia or laos. Very often i have seen people complaining.But how many people actually worked in the government and see how the working life is like within the government before making their comments?And how many more bothered to go forth and make good solutions to their complaints?
Let me pick an example.Many people are complaining about the lack of freedom of speech
in Singapore.But how many of them actually realised that by actually complaining on the internet forum like this , they are actually exercising a form of freedom of speech.The very fact that many of you are not caught through ip tracking proves that we are actually exercising a form of freedom.The very fact that this website was not blocked proves that we are free to express our views.So what else do you want?Think of it, is the freedom of speech that important?with or without it life still goes on.
As i have said it many times, our society is just a young immatured nation Think we are as refined or as matured as the europeans? Wrong.Think we are as polite and humble as the Japenese or even the Shanghainese?Wrong.What we have are only a bunch of self centered haughty group of people who live in their own cocoon of rules. With 3 million different demands going through your ears everyday, it would make it extremely difficult to please everyone.The truth is, i never liked full democracy. In fact i don't see anything wrong with living within an iron fist.Because ultimately, everybody's rights will infringe into each other's rights.
So does the article above which i wrote caused me look as though as i have lost my guts and marbles? i don't know, maybe to you.But it certainly took me courage to write this because the people who i am addressing now may have out done me in experience.Right now i write this to defend my beliefs.So does that make me a coward just because i don't follow your views? I don't think so.
Anyway, it has been a pleasure staying up this late to talk to my fellow forum users. Thank you and merry christmas. -
yea..we are not as brave as you..go insult right infront of him then..Originally posted by relevation:What is going on with this forum on this topic of LKY's retirement?
Suddenly everyone lost their guts and drop their marbles after he threaten to break your heads and bones.
Come one men have some basic courage. Express your views on this topic!!!
you're the brave one...we vote you to say our heart out..
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just checked out sammyboy.comOriginally posted by cooleo:*yawns
Different outlets / venues for 'missing balls' opposers to congregate? Haha...And guess what? We even have a prick blasting away at Singapore's system in the comfort of another country (www.sammyboy.com).
whats wrong with them
why are they condemning s'pore like that
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I'm sure I could speak all this in public at speaker's corner... I could say all this rubbish calmly and in an unoffending manner. I doubt I would be dragged away, since it would draw in the British government and their fellow white brothers the Yanks along in a whole media case, examining WHY this young tainted brit was pulled off by police just because he was criticising (peacefully) the govt.
Then it will bring in the whole issue of "is there freedom of speech in Singapore", the yanks will love that bullshit. With time, who knows, maybe USA will invade Singapore.
It does not take a spark to light a fire, it takes a spark to draw the media to light the fire. -
Think we are as refined or as matured as the europeans? Wrong.Think we are as polite and humble as the Japenese or even the Shanghainese?Wrong.What we have are only a bunch of self centered haughty group of people who live in their own cocoon of rules.
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if this tainted young brit speaks in anywhere other than the speakers corner, prepare to be lynchedOriginally posted by men_@_arms:I'm sure I could speak all this in public at speaker's corner... I could say all this rubbish calmly and in an unoffending manner. I doubt I would be dragged away, since it would draw in the British government and their fellow white brothers the Yanks along in a whole media case, examining WHY this young tainted brit was pulled off by police just because he was criticising (peacefully) the govt.
Then it will bring in the whole issue of "is there freedom of speech in Singapore", the yanks will love that bullshit. With time, who knows, maybe USA will invade Singapore.
It does not take a spark to light a fire, it takes a spark to draw the media to light the fire.
and this has nothing to do with USA -
By 5:30 pm (0930 GMT) on Friday, 44 percent of 6,383 respondents said they
wanted Lee to retire from politics immediately while another nine percent said he should retire "soon".
Forty-three percent said he should continue in politics.
Yahoo Southeast Asia marketing and research head Miguel Bernas told AFP
there was a lot of interest in the poll on Lee, which began on Wednesday and
was due to close later Friday.
He said Yahoo Singapore conducts polls twice a week, with the more than 6,300 people who responded to the Lee question well above the average of about 4,000.
Bernas said cookies and checks to see if respondents were Yahoo members ensured people could vote only once.
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Internet polling has many blindspots. How do you know all those who gave their opinions are Singaporeans? Because they registered as a Sporean user? Dont think you crossed-checked their IC number did you? When you say "majority", it is takes on a "representative" tone, how does the profiles compared against our national census? Did you compare them before using "majority"? And for peek's sake, you avoid double-counting with cookies - how many out there has more than one Yahoo or Hotmail account? All you can say is that majority of those opinions from yahoo members who claimed that they are singaporeans (not majority of members because you cannot guarantee no double counts and not majority of singaporeans because you probably did not validate their claimed nationality and check for similar demographic distribution against the that of the censes) towards that particular question yaba yaba yaba... -
great and loyal mind thinks alike.Originally posted by nismoS132:compared to the corruption levels in the neighboring countries, i believe we're far better off. at least here, paying $10 is not going to get you off the hook for a speeding ticket.
if you liked living in the 70s so much, i propose you move to either JB or Jakarta, it's not exactly 70s but it ain't exactly singapore. -
All the Lees family members should go find other jobs. All of them have top post.Earn big bucks. Stupid monarchy. U think others cant do better den u? Only ur family members are smart? Only u are capable? Only u have the authority? While others dun? freakin Lees
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Did this article appeared in the Straits Times - a speech from a NUS Professor on the merits of SM LKY retirement ?
Bye bye Professor ?
Time for Senior Minister to retire! (yawning_bread) 31 January 2004
The Senior Minister's great achievement when he was Prime Minister for three decades 1959 Âto 1990 is history. Its very difficult for anyone to believe that anything will really change if he sticks around. Singapore urgently needs real drastic changes, paradigm shifts!
Sociology Professor Chua Beng Huat was reported by the Straits Times to have said, at a seminar organized by the Institute of Policy Studies earlier this month,
"He should just go." "He" was Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew.
No one else picked it up. No follow-up commentary in the press. Yet I am sure Chua spoke for a great majority of Singaporeans.
Without detracting from his great achievement when he was Prime Minister for three decades 1959 Â 1990, today, Lee has become a liability.
Two gaffes last September were widely noticed by the public, though once again, the media were too restrained to call them gaffes.
Nearly a diplomatic incident
His wife, Mrs Lee, had a stroke while in London. She was rushed to hospital, but was put in a queue for a brain scan. Lee phoned Tony Blair to ask for his assistance, and later, on his return to Singapore, publicly expressed thanks to the British PM for helping her jump the queue.
Blair's office was aghast. They denied that he or his staff did any such thing. There would have been uproar from the British public if they thought their Prime Minister participated in an act that could be described as an abuse of power.
The thought never seemed to have occurred to our Senior Minister.
Nearly a domestic incident
The Singapore doctors who rushed to London to attend to Mrs Lee had some disagreement with the British doctors. (The Straits Times was later to quote the Singapore doctors casting aspersions on the competence and professionalism of the UK team). They decided to fly her back to Singapore as soon as she was stabilised.
A Singapore Airlines flight was chosen, and all its first class and business class passengers were asked to take another flight [1]. The plane was then converted into a flying hospital to take her back.
On his return, Lee publicly praised Singapore Airlines for being so prompt and efficient in converting the aircraft and responding to an urgent need. The mainstream press duly carried his praises and once more cheered the flag carrier.
On the bulletin boards, some upstart asked, well who's going to pay for that flight? Why should Singapore Airlines, a publicly-listed company with quite a few private shareholders, bear the cost?
After a few days, the Senior Minister's Office said that Lee would pay for the flight. Payment had been offered before the talk appeared on the bulletin board, it claimed. True or not, we don't know. Believed or not, is another matter.
Blind spots
Both instances were serious blind spots, easily attributable to being in power, and having his way, for too long. The perks of rank, which would be unacceptable in other democracies, are quietly allowed to slip through. This is what happens when a towering figure dominates the political scene, when opposition parties are nearly snuffed out, and worse, when he has neutered the media.
We came close to a diplomatic accident with Britain. We nearly stepped onto a landmine exploding in the face of the entire government for abuse of priviledge, and this, at a time when the government's credibility was already stretched thin by the continuing economic gloom.
Undermining the institutional legacy
In September too, Lee suddenly announced that even after his son Lee Hsien Loong became Prime Minister, and after Goh Chok Tong had retired, he would still remain as Senior Minister.
At one stroke he damaged a political institution  that of cabinet government. The right thing to say would have been, "whether I stay in the cabinet or not is not for me to say, but for the future Prime Minister to decide if I can be of help."
Diplomatic politesse it certainly is, but it at least preserves the figleaf of the primacy of the PM's position. But, no. Lee decided he would stay and said it out loud.
Reminding all of the impossibility of change
The style of the announcement aside, the fact that he stays on is the grosser liability. It is very difficult for anyone to believe that anything will really change in Singapore if he sticks around.
Perceptions and sentiment are very important.
For example, look at Thailand. Thaksin's program is far from complete. Hindsight might even judge his fiscal policies reckless. But through style alone, he has turned economic pessimism to hope. And there's a buoyancy that is giving that country a rare, rare thing  a virtuous cycle.
Singapore? Most observers think we need some really drastic changes, some paradigm shifts, if you'd forgive an overused term. But most observers also think, it's not happening. Nothing is going to change down here, except most grudgingly, always too little, too late, because nothing changes up there.
Adding value
Once in a while, the press reports of some intervention by Lee in important matters of state. One is supposed to get the impression, that if not for him, such matters would not be well handled.
A few years ago, the Singapore government was getting the short end of the stick in the Suzhou Industrial Park venture, beaten at its own game by the Suzhou municipal authorities. At the height of the impasse, there was much trumpeting that Lee communicated directly with Jiang Zemin, and got Jiang's commitment to rein the municipal brats in.
As far was we, the public, can tell, nothing resulted. And are we to be surprised? Jiang was running a country of 1.5 billion people poised precariously between economic boom and social catastrophe! He had his own mountain of a problem to deal with: his own succession. What was Suzhou Industrial Park compared to all that? Who was Lee compared to all that?
Then there was Malaysia, Mahathir and the water supply problem. Lee wrote notes to Mahathir. Mahathir wrote back, and then changed his mind. The problem was the personality of Mahathir, and there was nothing that Lee could have done about that.
Now we have Lee saying he is personally taking on the Singapore Airlines pilots, to make sure they don't stand in the way of needed restructuring by the airline, in the face of low-cost competitors. Don't we have another cabinet minister whose portfolio includes air transport? Are we saying the other ministers are incapable of handling the situation? If they are, then what's with all the boasting about getting the best and brightest to serve as the PAP team?
I am looking hard to see where Lee adds value today, not yesterday. I can't find it. I hardly need to look where he subtracts value.
How to add value then? There is more dignity in going than hanging on.
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Sources and Relevant Links:
Yawning Bread Adding value January 2004
Sg-Review Adding value 26 January 2004
yawning_bread 'Asian' means we have to live with hypocrisy and paralysis January 2004
The Singapore government is still attached to an outmoded model of a paternalistic family, just as it is still attached to the rather racist idea that people should be defined by their racial origins.
Do we believe citizens should be treated equally regardless of race, sex, language, religion? How do we extend this principle to other dimensions of humanness, such as age, disability, sexuality? How are present laws and policies – and ideology -- at variance with these fundamental principles? Does this government believe in social justice?
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100% not agree.Originally posted by antoh:wiothout him i think i will be still eating bread and butter and playing 5 stone
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bear, its kinda dangerous for u to indulge in such talk? your job might be in danger...
anyway i feel he should have retired long ago, we are turning into a farcial parody of George Orwell's Animal Farm.
still i guess most sinagporeans also realise even if 100% wanted him to retire, it ain't gonna happen if he ain't wanna. -
to them, whats the opinion of the masses? they are powerful enough to brush us aside.
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I think its time he retired and enjoy his life as an ordinary Singapore citizen. He's seriously been working hard for such a long time. It ain't easy you know.
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""You don't have to tell me. I can feel it when I am no longer making a contribution, " Lee said. "
Well yeah, a NEGATIVE Contribution doesn't count, mister. -
Originally posted by AzRaeL:""You don't have to tell me. I can feel it when I am no longer making a contribution, " Lee said. "
Well yeah, a NEGATIVE Contribution doesn't count, mister.