Crisis in Middle -East
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is this getting more and more out of hand?
i sense something is not right now after Israel strike Syria base......... -
how more out of hand can it get?
i'll keep saying, as long as Arafat is there, there will be no peace...
Arafat is actually Egyptian and his own cronies have actually admitted that there never was such a thing as a country called Palestine...
the PLO is essentially a terrorist organisation which has never hid the fact that they want the total annihilation of Israel
Arafat has been syphoning off huge amounts of aid to "his people" to keep his bank account fat and his family in the French Riviera
the conflict must continue as Arafat has a sole monopoly of all trade in the occupied territories.. when peace occurs, he loses it... so "his people" must suffer to keep his pockets stuffed..
there is more.. and it's all about corruption and money for the elite few in the PLO...
with all that, you think there can be peace when it is in the vested interest of one of the sides to continue the mayhem? -
sigh. doesn't matter. isreal will win
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Actually, the saying "It takes 2 hands to clap" has never rung more true in the search for peace in the Middle East.Originally posted by the Bear:how more out of hand can it get?
i'll keep saying, as long as Arafat is there, there will be no peace...
Arafat is actually Egyptian and his own cronies have actually admitted that there never was such a thing as a country called Palestine...
the PLO is essentially a terrorist organisation which has never hid the fact that they want the total annihilation of Israel
Arafat has been syphoning off huge amounts of aid to "his people" to keep his bank account fat and his family in the French Riviera
the conflict must continue as Arafat has a sole monopoly of all trade in the occupied territories.. when peace occurs, he loses it... so "his people" must suffer to keep his pockets stuffed..
there is more.. and it's all about corruption and money for the elite few in the PLO...
with all that, you think there can be peace when it is in the vested interest of one of the sides to continue the mayhem?
The state of the Israel-Palestinian relations today has as much to do with Ariel Sharon's actions from the hands off approach he took in the Sabra-Shatila massacre to the outright provocation in visting the Temple Mount which sparked off the 2000 Intifada, he has cleverly and insidiously stoked the flames of Palestinian hatred of the Israelis and Israeli distrust of the Palestinians.
While Arafat is nowhere blameless for the current state of affairs, to blame him and him alone is wrong and grossly unfair. -
it's true... but i would look more to Arafat as there were so many Israeli PMs before Sharon..
all have gone nowhere no matter how many concessions they gave to Arafat.. who, to me, has no right to anything at all..Originally posted by Viper52:Actually, the saying "It takes 2 hands to clap" has never rung more true in the search for peace in the Middle East.
The state of the Israel-Palestinian relations today has as much to do with Ariel Sharon's actions from the hands off approach he took in the Sabra-Shatila massacre to the outright provocation in visting the Temple Mount which sparked off the 2000 Intifada, he has cleverly and insidiously stoked the flames of Palestinian hatred of the Israelis and Israeli distrust of the Palestinians.
While Arafat is nowhere blameless for the current state of affairs, to blame him and him alone is wrong and grossly unfair. -
Its Israel....Originally posted by dumbdumb!:sigh. doesn't matter. isreal will win
Actually, if anything, this method of conflict, is the most likely that will lead to Israel losing, or at least, prevent a total defeat for the Arabs and Palestinians. There is no way all the Arab countries combined can defeat Israel militarily with the IDF's power and American support.
By waging a low-level, high attrition (especially civilians) conflict, it will most likely ensure that the conflict is "brought home" to the Israeli public and eventually they will tire of the body-bags and try to search for peace.
If the Islamic Groups would renounce attacks in Israel itself, and restrict attacks to soldiers and civilians in the Occupied Territories, it will be the single most decisive move to swing the battle and world (and more importantly Israeli) opinion in their favour. -
Actually, I was prepared to give Arafat the benefit of the doubt and believed he was sincere about finding a negotiated peace with Israel in the early 90s. The problem was he miscalculated on 2 countsOriginally posted by the Bear:it's true... but i would look more to Arafat as there were so many Israeli PMs before Sharon..
all have gone nowhere no matter how many concessions they gave to Arafat.. who, to me, has no right to anything at all..
1) Believing Israel will give a lot more than they were prepared to give
2) Believing the pressure from the suicide bombers will result in Point 1. He looked the other way, and allowed the Islamic Groups to take over at grassroot level and improve their standing among the populace and carry out their activities, believing the "soft" Israeli public will demand more concessions to be given to Arafat when the toll got high enough. Unfortunately the reverse came true after he overplayed his hand, and hardened the Israeli public's stance and bringing upon hardliners like Bibi Netyanyahu and Sharon.
In a large way, Arafat brought this upon himself, but Sharon's actions are not blameless either -
Before the Camp david peace accord the PM of Israel was prepared to move back to pre war 1960's war borders on all front apart from jeurulsem(however u spell that city) But Arafat said no!!Originally posted by Viper52:Actually, the saying "It takes 2 hands to clap" has never rung more true in the search for peace in the Middle East.
The state of the Israel-Palestinian relations today has as much to do with Ariel Sharon's actions from the hands off approach he took in the Sabra-Shatila massacre to the outright provocation in visting the Temple Mount which sparked off the 2000 Intifada, he has cleverly and insidiously stoked the flames of Palestinian hatred of the Israelis and Israeli distrust of the Palestinians.
While Arafat is nowhere blameless for the current state of affairs, to blame him and him alone is wrong and grossly unfair.
They Sharon should have killed him during the attack on the PLO in the 70's! -
will it verge into full scale war?
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Full scale war will surely break out, if Israel continue to make surprise air raids into Arab territories that is suspected to hold the terrorists training camps, just as they have done in the surprise air raids into Syria.Originally posted by duotiga83:will it verge into full scale war?
Syria has already declared that they reserve the right to retaliate for what Israel had done, and already warned that any more such Israeli actions will be met with full response.
Israel is itching for a full scale war so as to allow their all mighty IDF to roll over all the suspected terrorists nests without having one hand tied behind the back of the IDF.
The present low-intensity battles with the intifada and suicide bombings by terrorist's cells are small pin pricks that are irritatingly effective, and taking a heavy toll on the IDF and the Israeli population - just as the IDF actions have made the Palestinian lives miserable and humiliating.
Israel is paying a price for its intransigence too.
When the recent US sponsored "Road Map" was signed, and supposed 'cease fire' was finally agreed even by the terrorists (freedom fighters), the IDF continued with its surgical strikes against key figures of the various terrorists' cells.
This has led to the current breakdown of the "Road Map" and the cycle of violence continue unabated.
The history of this region that allowed Israel to re-emerge from the dust of Biblical History is too long and filled with too many emotions and blood debts.
Suffice to say that the Israeli hands are also stained with the blood of the victims of Israeli terrorist organisation, in the Israeli fight to gain statehood during 1948 - 1950.
The interests and rights of those Arabs (if one refuse to acknowlge the existence of Palestinians) - who live on the very soil of the newly created Israel, and who have been displaced from their soil so as to make way for Jews returning from all over the globe - also need to be addressed too. -
would putting a neutral army in between the borders help matters?
an army that would not hesitate to attack both isrealis and palestinians should any of them become hostile. -
no... hostility will not cease...
simply because of the maniacs who are no under anyone's control working there seemingly with the full blessing of Arafat...Originally posted by nismoS132:would putting a neutral army in between the borders help matters?
an army that would not hesitate to attack both isrealis and palestinians should any of them become hostile. -
In the "Military Nuts" section of this sgForums, it was reported that in a recent air combat exercise between the US Navy Air Group and the Israeli Air Force, the IAF was able to win several dog fights over the US Navy Pilots.Originally posted by nismoS132:would putting a neutral army in between the borders help matters?
an army that would not hesitate to attack both isrealis and palestinians should any of them become hostile.
With the IDF being supreme, both in training, equipment and technologies, which Neutral Force can challenge the IDF ?
Representatives from the Norwegian Armed Forces were stationed along the northern borders separating Israel and Lebanon, as part of a UN Observation Force.
Despite their status, the Norwegians have been ignored time and again by the IDF, when the IDF steam rolled across the border to hunt down Hisbollah fighters in Lebanon.
With a stubborn and hawkish Sharon, and an intransigently proud old hawk in Arafat, both sitting on opposite sides of a table, can anyone realistically hold these two together long enough for any talk to last even an hour ? -
just wondering. why are pilots in the navy?Originally posted by Atobe:In the "Military Nuts" section of this sgForums, it was reported that in a recent air combat exercise between the US Navy Air Group and the Israeli Air Force, the IAF was able to win several dog fights over the US Navy Pilots. -
Have you heard of Aircraft Carriers ?Originally posted by nismoS132:just wondering. why are pilots in the navy?
Those kind of massive ships that have a large flat surface resembling a floating airport; and that carry all types of air planes - helicopters, fighter jets, fighter bombers, electronic warfare jets, airborne radar planes, airborne refueling planes ?
Those planes needs Pilots.
To view some wonderful series of photos of the Aircraft Carriers belonging to the US Navy, click below to go direct to the web page:
http://www.news.navy.mil/view_gallery.asp?sort_row=1&category_id=10&sort_type=0&page=2 -
i had always thought that they were under the air force instead of navy.Originally posted by Atobe:Have you heard of Aircraft Carriers ?
Those kind of massive ships that have a large flat surface resembling a floating airport; and that carry all types of air planes - helicopters, fighter jets, fighter bombers, electronic warfare jets, airborne radar planes, airborne refueling planes ?
Those planes needs Pilots.
To view some wonderful series of photos of the Aircraft Carriers belonging to the US Navy, click below to go direct to the web page:
http://www.news.navy.mil/view_gallery.asp?sort_row=1&category_id=10&sort_type=0&page=2