Will singapore be able to survive?
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Have any suggestion? Feel free to give ur stands with reason whether Singapore will survive with DPM Lee rule.
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In my opinion , Singapore would be able to survive for quite some time. From the debate between Bear and Hocklez , we can see that Bear thinks that SM Lee should be stepping down and should not be making decision for Singapore while Hocklez thinks that SM Lee is giving advice to his son. I will stand with Hocklez in this case as SM Lee has years of experience and could give constructive advices and suggestion to his son.
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he can do that at home.. and all that.. being SM there, with his sheer force of personality.. think about it..
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Bear, we should take that DPM Lee has inherited many influece from SM Lee which is useful for the taking over of PM Goh. These influence might be from SM Lee and PM Goh which only he might have it. He might also be trained by SM Lee for years and is able to lead us.Originally posted by the Bear:he can do that at home.. and all that.. being SM there, with his sheer force of personality.. think about it..
Trust SM Lee, he will never put such an important task of leading the country which is experiencing great success currently to a person who will destory the people's dreams. He might be his son but i think he treat everyone the same when it comes to these things. -
why shall PM Goh retire then since SM Lee still giving advises at the back......
maybe shall vote PM Goh to be next president ....hahaha....
well....will singapore still will survive?....yes of course.....but peoples still suffer....in silence......
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here's the problem.. i don't trust him..
never trust a politician..
and about trust.. you have to think about this carefully.. Lau Lee does not trust anyone to take over running the country... so much so that at 80, he's still calling the shots...
what kind of man do you think he is?Originally posted by Hocklez:Bear, we should take that DPM Lee has inherited many influece from SM Lee which is useful for the taking over of PM Goh. These influence might be from SM Lee and PM Goh which only he might have it. He might also be trained by SM Lee for years and is able to lead us.
Trust SM Lee, he will never put such an important task of leading the country which is experiencing great success currently to a person who will destory the people's dreams. He might be his son but i think he treat everyone the same when it comes to these things. -
To me, SM Lee is just like a responsible elderly man who does not want the so call empire which he has built so long being vanished after the replacement of the next PM. No one on Earth will want to have his own success which he have built for so long to be destroy after handling to the next successor. The answer will most likely be yes for the majority. His age might be old but like an old book, the cover might be torn and dusty, but if it can still provide the author for information to write a newer version, why not?Originally posted by the Bear:here's the problem.. i don't trust him..
never trust a politician..
and about trust.. you have to think about this carefully.. Lau Lee does not trust anyone to take over running the country... so much so that at 80, he's still calling the shots...
what kind of man do you think he is?
He might be old and you can say that he still call the shot now but he cannot always do it as he should know that he is ageing. I think that he is always trying to eductae the future leaders about the various things he have learnt. For example, the recent case of his wife being hit by stroke in London, he told us what he have learnt from the real life experience he encount. He could have kept this experience to himself but he wanted to update us and to learn from our mistake and and encounter. -
Frankly i don't trust Lee Hsien Long one bit, in my opinion he's an idiot and nowhere as capable as Goh or his father. How in the world did he raise up to the rank of Brigadier General AND DPM if he wasn't LKY's son? I don't recall him doing anything significant besides being interviewed or making speeches on important issues
I don't recall him doing anything worth noticing besides constantly saying some stupid things (Trying to encourage entrepreneurship by using the example of a person who studies in Raffles and whose father is a rich fella? How dumb is that?).
Because he's well educated? Well how many professors and PHD holders are there in Singapore? I don't see any of them holding so important a position and rank. He's only depending on his father's prestige and frankly is very undeserving of the PM position. -
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Singapore's futures may not seem so bleak after all. Let us not forget we are the pioneers/movers and shakers of Bio-Medical Science.Something that both Malaysia and China might not be able to catch up YET hopefully..
As for the competency of Lee Hsian Loong, it is still too early to judge him. But for the record, I advocate Lee Hsian Loong. PM Goh will retire sooner or later, we would have to elect a new PM in the near future. I can't think of any candidate's creditability higher than the Loong unless you guys vote for me.
Free Prata for the jobless every-morning!
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of course... singapore will be able to surviveOriginally posted by Hocklez:May i know or ask all of u whether singapore will be able to survive even until the next 10yrs or so with a new PM Lee Hsian Loong.
What are the factors that are considered as our country's advantages and disadvantages if other neighbouring countries such as Malaysia were to be challenging us in the coming years?
Lee Hsien Loong isnt a stupid man. He's in fact among one of the most able leaders eligible to take over the helm
singapores pluses: skilled workforce
singapores minuses: too few brands and companies to call its very own.. -
Will Singapore survive ?
According to SM LKY he believe that Singapore can - after noting that the people behind Singapore Airlines and Changi Hospital was able to convert a section of an aircraft ( First Class ? 747 ? ) into a " Flying Hospital " and landing into Heathrow and back to Singapore in 48 hours.
Surely, this alone will tell that without the "supposed abilities" of the highly acclaimed DNA endowed "First Family in Singapore", such a humbling experience can be made possible.
Unfortunately, the same facility was not extended to the four Singaporeans, who were heavily burnt in the Jakarta Marriott Hotel bombing incident.
Those lesser Singaporeans had to make their own way back by PAID S.O.S. Emergency Air Evacuation Service.
The more relevant question to SM LKY will be - can the "First Family" survive without Singapore, when no other in the Family will be able to take the Chair, to prevent all the exposure of any and all embarrassing and shocking skeletons in the Temasek and G.I.C closet ?
The other question that Singaporeans should be concerned with is - Can the Singapore System continue in an ORDERLY MANNER after LKY, when every key appointment has been created to maintain the supremacy of the Single Dominating Political Party ? -
I can see that most of you have many different opinion of whether Singapore will survive. One interesting problem is being brought up by Atobe about the problem whether Singapore will survive after LKY.
To me, Singapore will be able to survive after LKY as we all know, he as setted up a strong foundation for the country with low corruption in the goverment and many investment in other country such as China which is experiencing a booming economy.
Please post a msg if u have more opinion and more suggestion. Thank You. -
R&D is better done in US, Germany and Japan.
Manufacturing and production will be better done and a lot cheaper in Malaysia and Thailand.
Somewhere in between R&D and production will be done right and cheaply in China and India.
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Can the Singapore that we know today survive without chaos or a hung system, if ever an Opposition Party is elected to form the next Government ?Originally posted by Hocklez:I can see that most of you have many different opinion of whether Singapore will survive. One interesting problem is being brought up by Atobe about the problem whether Singapore will survive after LKY.
To me, Singapore will be able to survive after LKY as we all know, he as setted up a strong foundation for the country with low corruption in the goverment and many investment in other country such as China which is experiencing a booming economy.
Please post a msg if u have more opinion and more suggestion. Thank You.
Is the system that is in place today, a "politically blind" system that is not loyal to any political party ?
Will the next Government that is not acceptable to the "First Family" receive the " Full Co-operation " of every Government and semi-Government agencies, including the extensive web of Government Linked Companies that include the Temasek Inc ?
With members of the Ruling Party, and family members, sitting on the Board of Directors of every GLC and government agencies, can we depend on them to be co-operative to a New Government ELECTED by SINGAPOREANS, BUT is Unacceptable to the present Ruling Party and the "First Family" ?
Is the present system transparent enough in the full accounting of National Assets and Reserves ?
With the passing of SM LKY, Second or Third Generation Political Leaders, and in the event that there are no further members of the "First Family" to take the lead role in Singapore Politics, and the Ruling Party should splinter, will the present Singapore System hold ?
The system that we have in place today does not give any confidence to long term political stability, if one sees the transition of power in Taiwan as an example - when the "First Family" of Chiang Kai Shek has no further capable sons left to continue its grip on the Kuomintang and Politics in Taiwan.
The Opposition Party that won the election had a turbulent first three years trying its best to dismantle the Kuomintang grip in every facet of Taiwanese society via all the different Kuomintang controlled Military, Police, Civil Service, Government Agencies and Government Linked Companies.
Do we not see the chaotic challenge that the present Singapore System pose to our long term future ?
See the thread "Singapore is Bigger than the PAP" for the insight of a loyal Senior Civil Servant, who clearly spoke his mind in the interest of Singapore. -
Well... i think you have really changed my thinking about our future PM Lee... Anyway i think that we must show confident in whatever the future government does. As I seen in a forum, there is a saying that a good follower is also a good leader so maybe we should follow the governemt rule. This will thus help to create a strong country with no riot and so on....Originally posted by the Bear:he may be intelligent..
but it takes more than intelligence to lead..
he's had a platinum spoon stuck up his bum for so long, and with an attitude that everything he says, must be done, no matter what..
does that bode well?
think about it...
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Will you follow a system that turn out to be 'the Blind leading the Blind' ?Originally posted by Hocklez:Well... i think you have really changed my thinking about our future PM Lee... Anyway i think that we must show confident in whatever the future government does. As I seen in a forum, there is a saying that a good follower is also a good leader so maybe we should follow the governemt rule. This will thus help to create a strong country with no riot and so on....
We have been following the same Government since 1965, which has seen repeatedly that at the end of the day, the poor men dies poorer, while rich men die and lose their fortunes to hefty estate duties, and the only people that get richer is the Government.
The poor pays the entire life savings in CPF for an HDB flat, and what little cash for the essential services provided by the various GLCs, and with nothing remaining in cash for older age.
While the wealth of the rich will seldom pass on beyond two generations in Singapore, as Estate Duties will take the lion share of remaining wealth when a person dies in this Lion City.
Are you willing to follow a supposedly new Leader, who will be advised by an older Father-figure Leader, and expect changes to Policies that have been faithfully executed over the last 40 years ?
Policies that subjugate the majority of Singaporeans to a cycle of indebtness to a system for Life, and which require every essential material and services - to be obtained from an Omnipotent Agency controlling a web of subsidiary government linked companies - that ultimately enrich the final Omnipotent Powerhouse. -
CPF is able to help the elderly to take care of themselve if no one takes care of them. With CPF, money that they earn will not be used all away, and saved for the raining days when they needs it.Originally posted by Atobe:Will you follow a system that turn out to be 'the Blind leading the Blind' ?
We have been following the same Government since 1965, which has seen repeatedly that at the end of the day, the poor men dies poorer, while rich men die and lose their fortunes to hefty estate duties, and the only people that get richer is the Government.
The poor pays the entire life savings in CPF for an HDB flat, and what little cash for the essential services provided by the various GLCs, and with nothing remaining in cash for older age.
While the wealth of the rich will seldom pass on beyond two generations in Singapore, as Estate Duties will take the lion share of remaining wealth when a person dies in this Lion City.
Are you willing to follow a supposedly new Leader, who will be advised by an older Father-figure Leader, and expect changes to Policies that have been faithfully executed over the last 40 years ?
Policies that subjugate the majority of Singaporeans to a cycle of indebtness to a system for Life, and which require every essential material and services - to be obtained from an Omnipotent Agency controlling a web of subsidiary government linked companies - that ultimately enrich the final Omnipotent Powerhouse.
Think of what will happen if there is no CPF, the people who do not know about managing their own wealth will be on the losing end as there will not be enough to last them thoughout their retirement. And of course, the smart alex who are more educated and have more planning with thus use the money to invest and grow their money in a risky way.
To me, CPF has its own advantage and disadvantage as i am just a young git, do not know much.
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the Dragon Prince never followed anyone..
he led and is leading (maybe misleading) because of his position...
a strong country of slaves and automatrons who blindly follow, with the dissidents cruelly surpressed?
history taught that these eventually lead to the downfall and suffering of the nation.. when the people do not take their leaders to task, the leaders eventually end up being despots, dictators and worse...
we are NOT robots, ants nor are we automatrons...
we are sentient beings... stop letting others make choices for you... make your own...
btw, there were no riots, and the countries were thought to be strong.. case in study: Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, East Germany, Romania...
think about it...
power does not corrupt.. the LUST for power corrupts..
look which family and which person is consolidating power now.. look anyone who thinks in the eye and tell that person that it is not the lust for power that they are doing so...
the family may collectively delude themselves... but the people who think, know better...Originally posted by Hocklez:Well... i think you have really changed my thinking about our future PM Lee... Anyway i think that we must show confident in whatever the future government does. As I seen in a forum, there is a saying that a good follower is also a good leader so maybe we should follow the governemt rule. This will thus help to create a strong country with no riot and so on.... -
I think i kinda agree with bear that the Lee's have sort of built themselves up as a sort of uncrowned 'royal family' in singapore. However, I doubt Lee Hsien Loong or the family itself has the ability to continue putting another Lee in government after Lee Hsien Loong. . . Lee Hsien Loong will prob be da last generation of Lee ruling Sg liao.
Someone prove me wrong and suggest some names to carry on the lee name in power. . .not exactly sure abt da lee family tree also -
i think they dun have to be in the government anymore after DPM Lee. Just look at how many shares they hold in those companies. They know it time for them to withdraw and retire in other countries with all the assets. It more than enough for them to last for 3x lifetimes.Originally posted by laser51088:I think i kinda agree with bear that the Lee's have sort of built themselves up as a sort of uncrowned 'royal family' in singapore. However, I doubt Lee Hsien Loong or the family itself has the ability to continue putting another Lee in government after Lee Hsien Loong. . . Lee Hsien Loong will prob be da last generation of Lee ruling Sg liao.
Someone prove me wrong and suggest some names to carry on the lee name in power. . .not exactly sure abt da lee family tree also -
Do not bet your last dollar in your belief that after LHL there is no one left in the 'First Family' to take over the reins of Political Control in Singapore.Originally posted by laser51088:I think i kinda agree with bear that the Lee's have sort of built themselves up as a sort of uncrowned 'royal family' in singapore. However, I doubt Lee Hsien Loong or the family itself has the ability to continue putting another Lee in government after Lee Hsien Loong. . . Lee Hsien Loong will prob be da last generation of Lee ruling Sg liao.
Someone prove me wrong and suggest some names to carry on the lee name in power. . .not exactly sure abt da lee family tree also
There is his brother at SingTel, if he is interested when the time comes up.
Then there is his present wife, who shot up into super stardom with an interjection of DNA from the First Family, compared to her insignificant humanoid role in one of the Departments in MINDEF.
From amongst the 'stars' in the First Family, perhaps she will be the one who will have the drive and ambition to reach out for political power - much like the wife of ex-President Bill Clinton.
There will be some re-enactment of some of the current on-going Taiwanese Drama movies on Channel 8 and U Channel that features power, intrigues, plots, manouevres and out-manouvres, and counter deriding actions. -
i think it would be hard
DPM lee isnt very popular