Road rage in M'sia
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I was just watching channel i news and there was an incident abt a malaysian bus ramming a singapore SUV repeatedly, even tearing the shirt of the SUV driver in an attempt to fight. I was amazed that the bus driver got away scot free while the singaporean family was fined...yes you didn't read wrongly ....FINED by the malaysian police for attempting to "overtake dangerously".
Guess that's the law in our neighbouring country.
If such an incident occured in singapore, the bus driver would have doubtless been hauled to court... -
oh, it's like that there...
uncle's car has cruise control.. how to speed when it's on?
he's been stopped for speeding many times... -
What i fail to understand is the utter lack of logic in the authorities there.
The car was pretty banged up from all sides save the front. Doesn't that prove something? Yes he may have been over-taking illegally or dangerously, but how on earth did the driver escape punishment?
That was a life-threatening situation.
I wonder what would have happened if there was an oncoming vehicle and the chew family was killed.
There would have been no justice and no one would have disputed the bus driver's story. -
they jz dun seem to care..
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To put it simply, the Malaysian authorities are just out to get us Singaporeans. And probably the Government in Singapore will just ignore this incident until something really drastic and chaotic happens then they'l take action. Everything boils down to politics.
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Even if they want to sue, I don't think it's going to be favourable. Well, they'll have to sue in Malaysia..... -
becoz singaporeans are the enemy.
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becoz singaporeans are the enemy.
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Driving back from Kuala Lumpur in the middle of a rainy night, and alone, I had my normal lights on low beam, and backed up with my spot lamps as most Malaysian cars would.
Just as my car passed into the Johor state border, I tried to pass a Malaysian passenger coach in front of my car. It then started to swerve from the left lane to the right lane, and I thought that the driver was falling asleep.
Slowing my car to the rear of the bus, which was already travelling at a speed of about 125 kmh, the bus straightened out in the left lane (on the 2 lane North South Highway).
With the bus on the left lane, I tried to make a second pass again, then the driver again swerved into my right lane, preventing me from passing him again; and started to weave the bus from the left lane to the right lane over the next 1km - at a speed of 125 kmh.
Again I slowed my car to the rear of the bus, realising that the driver is out of his mind; and blasted my air horn for a full minute to wake up any passengers in the bus and have them observe the erratic driving that is endangering the passengers' lives.
The next time when I tried to pass the bus, with my air horn full blast, the bus driver made a less determined swerve to push me off the highway, but I was determined not to pull back, and instead drove closer to the bus - while being alert to the distance between my car and the bus.
The bus driver realised that I was not giving way, and he stuck his hand out to show me his middle finger.
I passed the bus, and went in front of the bus, and slammed my brakes enough to slow the bus down, without having it hitting my rear; and slowed the speed down to 90kmh for the next 1 km.
From past experience on Indonesian roads, I realised that the bus driver may have at least one or two assistants on board, and it will be pointless for me to stop the bus - (to question the Driver for his reckless driving) - even though my car is equipped for any aggressive assault by any road rage driver on Malaysian roads.
The bus tried to overtake me again but it was no match for the take-off speed of my car, and I taunted him over the next 2 km, pulling myself away after that, as it was pointless to fluster him further.
It was pointless to report this matter to the Malaysian Police, as they are indifferent to such reports from Singaporeans.
From his side mirrors, the bus driver could hardly see my car as a Singapore registered car, especially when my two head lamps were on, with additional two spot lights mounted into my bumpers also turned on.
It seems that some of these bus drivers take the law into their own hands, and behave in a murderous way when irritated by bright lamps - regardless if the cars are Malaysian or Singaporean registered.
Little wonder that some accidents on the Malaysian highway can occur with little explanations, especially when no one live through a severe road accident. -
You took a big risk there.
No matter how "well-equip" your car was, it would certainly not have been able to withstand a collision at full speed from a 40-seater. You might have been in a hospital or worse.
Nevertheless, after succeeding in overtaking the buffoon, you could have avoided taunting him. That only lowers us to his level (though i personally would have enjoyed that myself
) and we are definitely better than that. -
I would like to deviate from the topic just a little based on this road rage incident.
When i first passed driving, i managed to acquire my mom's car for weekend trips to campus (back when i was still schooling). On one such occasion, there was this motocylist who was tail-gating me. He actually flashed and horned me a couple of times while he continued his dangerous stunt.
Several times i tried to move over, but a constant stream of vehicles kept me from doing so. Eventually, i guess the rider got fed up and chanced an opening in-between my car and the car next to me. He made it thru the gap but almost immediately, he pulled up infront of me and slowed down considerably, surprising me and forcing me to brake as well. All this while there was no vehicle in front of him.
He continued to hog the right lane. In my mind he was deliberately taunting me and moments later i was right, for he cut across three lanes and filtered off into choa chu kang. For all of 10 sec there, i lost control.
I accelerated and chased him across the highway while he was lane-changing. There was no doubt in my mind that i intended to ram him if i could. It took me several moments to suddenly come to my senses and slow the vehicle down, glancing to see him speed of down the fliter way.
In that 10 sec, i almost became a road raging killer. It was a moment of spite, anger and emotional instability that made me a danger to other road users.
Thankfully, it was through this incident that made we realise that such cases aren't worth pursuing. Inconsiderate road users and bullies are a fact of life. Either we deal with it or quit driving. While i still get incensed at poor drivers who drift from lane to lane and tail gate, i no longer bother staring at them when i overtake them or they overtake me. To me, ignoring them and my personal safety is far more important.
Incidently, just for laughs, i was driving a little fiat uno at that time. -
"Dude, where's the Malaysian bus driver?"
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i hear of stuff like this many times, many times, the rider thinks the driver was 'playing' with him, and they're just trying to get even.Originally posted by BillyBong:When i first passed driving, i managed to acquire my mom's car for weekend trips to campus (back when i was still schooling). On one such occasion, there was this motocylist who was tail-gating me. He actually flashed and horned me a couple of times while he continued his dangerous stunt.
Several times i tried to move over, but a constant stream of vehicles kept me from doing so. Eventually, i guess the rider got fed up and chanced an opening in-between my car and the car next to me. He made it thru the gap but almost immediately, he pulled up infront of me and slowed down considerably, surprising me and forcing me to brake as well. All this while there was no vehicle in front of him.
that may or may not have happened, even if it did, you may not have done so intentionally. just that, no one's pyschic, and many riders i know get agitated easily, due to the fact that there are many drivers that provoke us on purpose, it has come to the point where many feel that everyone else on the road is trying to kill us. -
Your incident with the motorbike reminded me of my experience with an expatriate riding his 'million dollar' bicycle down River Valley Road, and hogging the outer lane - when the left lane was clear of any traffic.Originally posted by BillyBong:I would like to deviate from the topic just a little based on this road rage incident.
When i first passed driving, i managed to acquire my mom's car for weekend trips to campus (back when i was still schooling). On one such occasion, there was this motocylist who was tail-gating me. He actually flashed and horned me a couple of times while he continued his dangerous stunt.
Several times i tried to move over, but a constant stream of vehicles kept me from doing so. Eventually, i guess the rider got fed up and chanced an opening in-between my car and the car next to me. He made it thru the gap but almost immediately, he pulled up infront of me and slowed down considerably, surprising me and forcing me to brake as well. All this while there was no vehicle in front of him.
He continued to hog the right lane. In my mind he was deliberately taunting me and moments later i was right, for he cut across three lanes and filtered off into choa chu kang. For all of 10 sec there, i lost control.
I accelerated and chased him across the highway while he was lane-changing. There was no doubt in my mind that i intended to ram him if i could. It took me several moments to suddenly come to my senses and slow the vehicle down, glancing to see him speed of down the fliter way.
In that 10 sec, i almost became a road raging killer. It was a moment of spite, anger and emotional instability that made me a danger to other road users.
Thankfully, it was through this incident that made we realise that such cases aren't worth pursuing. Inconsiderate road users and bullies are a fact of life. Either we deal with it or quit driving. While i still get incensed at poor drivers who drift from lane to lane and tail gate, i no longer bother staring at them when i overtake them or they overtake me. To me, ignoring them and my personal safety is far more important.
Incidently, just for laughs, i was driving a little fiat uno at that time.
When I tried to pass him on the left, he swerve threateningly to occupy the left lane, and left me to follow at the speed of his bicycle down slope along River Valley towards Liang Court.
I honked at him, and he challenged me to pass him on his right, that will require me to cross the double white lines dividing this four lane River Valley Road.
I took the challenge and passed him with the double line running down the center of my car, and slowed down ahead of him, while he taunted me with an Italian insult by gesticulating with his hands from below his chin outwards towards me.
I ignored him, and cruise at a speed that he could not possibly overtake me, and gave him a taste of his own medicine by swerving to the left lane to prevent him from passing me.
The traffic lights at River Valley Road and Tank Road stopped both of us, and all he could do was to glare at me, but did not have the guts to gesticulate me while both of us were stationary, and I was expecting him to do worse to my car before he takes off on his bicycle while I am stuck in the traffic.
When the lights turned green, he took off at a slow speed, this time hogging the center lane of a three lane road outside Liang Court, and holding up two more cars ahead of mine, while the slow lane on the left had a bus moving along, and the right lane had cars turning into Clarke Quay-Liang Court.
This is the type of arrogant chaps - an expatriate at that - who are asking to be runned down by an inexperienced driver, or cause a 'road rage' incident to happen by a short tempered driver to take out the pent up rage on idiots like him. -
The final chapter for Driving on Malaysian Roads - A word of advise by Johor Police Chief for Singapore Drivers being abused in Malaysia
Cops 'can't seize S'pore passports'
Johor police chief urges S'pore drivers to lodge report if they are forced to hand over passports or to pay fine on the spot
JOHOR BARU - Singaporean motorists should file police reports if they are forced to pay traffic fines on the spot or if their passports are seized by Malaysian police, said Johor police chief Musa Hassan.
'It is not standard operating procedure for police to seize the passports of foreign traffic offenders to make them pay their summonses before leaving the country.
'It is also an offence for a police officer to seize a person's passport as they have no power to do so,' he said.
Police officers should only ask for passports in order to establish a person's credentials and update records, the police chief said.
'After taking down the details, the officer must return the passport to its owner.
'The officer has no right to seize it,' he said in an interview with The Star.
He was commenting on reports in The Straits Times and The Sunday Times last month that motorists from Singapore had had their passports seized by Malaysian police at roadblocks.
Some of the drivers who were unaware that they had outstanding traffic summonses in Malaysia had their passports held by the police here and were made to go to the Traffic Police headquarters in Jalan Tebrau to pay up.
Datuk Musa advised Singaporeans who had their passports seized or were forced to pay on the spot at roadblocks to lodge a report immediately.
'The motorist can always refuse to pay on the spot.
'If the officers are persistent, the motorist can take down their name and personnel number and proceed to lodge a report,' he said.
Last month, Johor police set up roadblocks to nab Singaporean motorists who had not paid traffic fines.
They also upped the ante recently by warning that they would detain those who refused to pay.
Singaporeans owed RM28.6 million (S$13 million) in outstanding traffic fines, it was said. -- The Star/Asia News Network
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,4386,220142,00.html? -
It seems the person who had his car rammed neglected several details which the bus driver claimed.
One: He was overtaking on a double-white line.
Two: He, along with his relatives and in-laws, assaulted the driver first and only intervention from other motorists prevented serious injury.
Those are the claims by the bus driver concerned.
The picture seems significantly clearer now...though unless the case goes to court, we can never ascertain who is telling the whole truth.
Perhaps neither side is...
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Aiyah! Juz dun go over den no trouble liao lor...
