Should Government interfere in Union Member's Rights ?
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i don't get it...
the pilots are being shafted and the government is telling them to shut up and say that they enjoy being financially sodomised...
and worse, the SM is telling them to lock themselves up in chains and then bend over in order to accept more buggery, to shut up unless it's to utter their "happiness"..
i worry for my country
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I think the government should interfere. Look at the situation right now. I think it's getting out of hand. Last night news, SM Lee was saying that he won't allow all these pilots and the pilots union to ruin the singapore airline industry.
If government don't interefere, it will get out of hand and things will get worse. The economy is getting slight improvement and if they ruin it, we people will suffer! -
so, the financial and mental rape of the pilots by SIA will save the singapore economy?
tell that to people who believe it..
the pilots were SCREWED BIG TIME, and they are supposed to like that?Originally posted by BLIM:I think the government should interfere. Look at the situation right now. I think it's getting out of hand. Last night news, SM Lee was saying that he won't allow all these pilots and the pilots union to ruin the singapore airline industry.
If government don't interefere, it will get out of hand and things will get worse. The economy is getting slight improvement and if they ruin it, we people will suffer! -
Did the pilots go on strike? NoOriginally posted by BLIM:I think the government should interfere. Look at the situation right now. I think it's getting out of hand. Last night news, SM Lee was saying that he won't allow all these pilots and the pilots union to ruin the singapore airline industry.
If government don't interefere, it will get out of hand and things will get worse. The economy is getting slight improvement and if they ruin it, we people will suffer!
Did the pilots start a work-to-rule? No
Did the pilots initiate a go-slow? No
Did the pilots take any sort of industrial action? No
Did the pilots even threaten any of the above? NO!!
The only thing they did was to vote out a union Ex-co that in their mind, did not represent their interests adequately. Is there anything wrong with that? In what way did that vote cause the situation (what situation BTW?) to get out of hand? Would the Singapore economy collapse because of the vote?
The only ones who claimed the pilots wanted to take industrial action are our overpaid ministers, who even came up with grand conspiracy theories of pilots trying to "sabotage our Air Hub reputation" and trying to "do Singapore in", and use it as a (pathetic) excuse to use the sledgehammer on an ant.
Or is that the reason for their obscene salaries? To dream up of non-existent threats?
Do we arrest people before they commit crimes?
Stop believing everything our do-no-wrong top ministerial talents say and judge the facts for ourselves.
Its such a pity that their scare-mongering, tale spinning and fact-twisting still work on a lot of minds too lazy or ignorant to check their facts before swallowing everything the MIW say. -
So much for GCT's vision Singapore being a "more caring society." Now we have ministers talking about "broken bones" and "broken heads". Tsk, such violence...Originally posted by the Bear:i don't get it...
the pilots are being shafted and the government is telling them to shut up and say that they enjoy being financially sodomised...
and worse, the SM is telling them to lock themselves up in chains and then bend over in order to accept more buggery, to shut up unless it's to utter their "happiness"..
i worry for my country
I feel the cold winds of the resumption of a Dynasty after a period of relative sunshine, sending a chill down my spine.
You're right to worry for your country, I am too. -
you'd think the ex-co was affiliated to the powers and went crying to them...
"Godfather (kneels, kisses pinky ring) i have been humiliated.. i call on my favour from you.. i want revenge.."
looks like it doesn't it?Originally posted by Viper52:The only thing they did was to vote out a union Ex-co that in their mind, did not represent their interests adequately. Is there anything wrong with that? -
CAN anyone tell my what bloody rights has LKY to threaten the Pilots of breaking heads or their own bones.
Bloody old man- go home and look after your wife. You are no longer needed.
Your involvement is not helping Goh Chok Tong and his government. Are you saying that your son is not fit to govern? Incompetent so much so that need you this 80 year old to come out to throw threats.
You are passe- go home- none of your business!!!!
Let us the young generation sort this out - because your time of threats and exploitation is OVER!!!!! -
Sad to see the gahmen pulling this unprecendented stunt to reign the rest of the unions in line. This policy of gahmen intervention is beginning to boil over. It seems they're aren't contend with an increasing no. of GLCs.
Now they want the unions to sing the tune of the gahmen as well, starting with the one union that has been the most rebellious to date.
High-handed is too feeble a word to describe the cold calculative moves of a unrelenting beast whose only intent is to safeguard their legacy. -
To which the Godfather replied (in a mock Italian mob accent), "Don't worry my sons, somebody mess with you, I mess with them!" to which he turns to the Tommy-Gun wielding hatchet men "I WANT THEM DEAD! I WANT THEIR FAMILIES DEAD!!""Originally posted by the Bear:"Godfather (kneels, kisses pinky ring) i have been humiliated.. i call on my favour from you.. i want revenge.."
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I took a look at Employer of the Century (sarcasm intended) SIA's website and whose glorious name should I find on the Board of Directors but His Excellency Mr Lim Boon Heng who is also on the Board Compensation and Organisation Committee. Irony of ironies...
Methinks its got to take a real great man to sit on the Board of Directors yet be able to speak and negotiate un-biased between the Employees Union and the Management. Kudos to Mr Lim! (Am I sarcastic there? You decide)
Conflict of interest? Nahhhh.....
The cheek of the man in daring to be among the voices rebuking to pilot's union? No way!!
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SM: "It is better to be feared than loved" (ST, 031203)
oh puh-leeze. this ain't the 1960s anymore -- pilots aren't happy, pilots walk. (or rather, fly in this age of globalisation)
who are they trying to kid? just because you succeed in swatting some misbehaving chap down like a fly doesn't mean that another dumbo is coming to take his place -- particularly when gasp, other airlines around are paying their pilots much much better without all the political intervention.
lesson for SG Inc.: workers aren't statistics, at least pretend that you don't think they are. so much for Remaking SG. -
does anyone here feel that some pilots would resign over this?
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Headhunter's are going to have a field day. A good incentive for the pilot's to join another airline.
The internet changes everything. -
it's no longer a question on whether pilots WILL resign over this.Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:does anyone here feel that some pilots would resign over this?
it's now a question of HOW MANY will resign....so far the count is 14 and rapidly growing......i'm told -
Yah, maybe new law is: quit quit lor, ai lai mai sua, now must join "p"arty first then can fly the planes... then can write the newspapers... then can be a shutupporean slogaporean..........
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On 12 July 2003, at the presentation of the 'Remaking Singapore Report', PM GCT had spoken about "the need for Singaporeans to embrace diversity, and for the political and social climate to give space for more 'ventilation and variation'".
He said :
"If Singapore is to become a place where people can fulfil their aspirations, where they can explore many different things, it will no longer make sense for the Government to always control and regulate every activity. "
This was said only five months ago, (not five years or fifty years ago); and SM LKY is now talking about passing a new law that prohibit Union Members from overturning any agreement made by the Union Leadership with Management.
While SM LKY can set the rules for PAP Members to be impotent in their choice of PAP Leadership, does he have any right to set the rules to nullify the Singapore Citizens' legitimacy to deal with the Union Leadership that misrepresent the Citizen-Workers' Rights ?
The truth finally surface again, in which the Iron Fist is cloaked within the velvet glove. -
so bad ah? like that die liao sure affect us oneOriginally posted by bartman:it's no longer a question on whether pilots WILL resign over this.
it's now a question of HOW MANY will resign....so far the count is 14 and rapidly growing......i'm told -
no it will not...
if you are financially sodomised by your company, you cannot quit??
the fact that they can and do, is GOOD for our country..Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:so bad ah? like that die liao sure affect us one -
well, I'm not exactly one for conspiracy theories, but hey, isn't it odd that PM has been conspicuously silent on this whole issue..?Originally posted by Atobe:On 12 July 2003, at the presentation of the 'Remaking Singapore Report', PM GCT had spoken about "the need for Singaporeans to embrace diversity, and for the political and social climate to give space for more 'ventilation and variation'".
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Repost from one of my posts above:Originally posted by chainsawieldinun:well, I'm not exactly one for conspiracy theories, but hey, isn't it odd that PM has been conspicuously silent on this whole issue..? I feel the cold winds of the resumption of a Dynasty after a period of relative sunshine, sending a chill down my spine.
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Originally posted by Viper52:
In January 2000, DPM LHL made the following speech at the Singapore 21 Forum:
Repost from one of my posts above:
[quote]I feel the cold winds of the resumption of a Dynasty after a period of relative sunshine, sending a chill down my spine.
As our society matures and grows more stable, and the population becomes better educated and more discerning, the limits for debate will widen........ There is no policy too sensitive to question, nothing which is taboo and must not be raised. The government may defend the policy vigorously, especially if it is an important one, and the government thinks the criticismis not justified. But the matter will be decided entirely on its merits, and we hold nothing against anyone simply for holding a different opinion from the government.
In another keynote address at a dinner of the Economics Society of Singapore, on 8 April 2003, DPM LHL said:
Singapore being so small and open, we need the highest quality leadership that we can muster. Indeed, we must place our hopes not in a few key leaders, but in a broad leadership group at many levels across all segments of society - in government, in the business sector, [color=red]in the labor movement, and in academic and civic groups.... But while strong and visionary leadership is necessary, it is not enough. To be effective, the leadership must evoke a response, a resonance from the society as a whole. The society must rise to the challenge of changing itself and establishing a new order. [/color]
Are these sincere words for diversity of opinions and widening the scope for civic participation from the CITIZENS ?
Or are these words spoken to gain political acceptance from a larger group of better educated citizens that remained skeptical ?
So far it has been pure lip service.
"The society must rise to the challenge of changing itself and establishing a new order" - from the old order established by the Father ?
It is still the rule of knee jerk reactions with the iron fist to any perceived social or labor unrests, with the standards of perception based on the benchmarks of the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s.
It is now the 21st Century, and the age of Virtual Reality is becoming real, hopefully the speeches from DPM LHL does not remain in the Political World of Virtual Reality.
The previous union leadership DID NOT "evoke a response, a resonance from the" members of ALPA-S - the union representing the Pilots; and the members passed a vote of no confidence.
The pilots are highly educated and discerning individuals, surely the harsh knee jerk response by the government, is hardly the manner to treat such a group.
Quotes taken from the labor of the author of the book:
'proudly singaporean - a passport to a challenging future'.
- ALAIN VANDENBORRE