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get ur eyes checked before posting anything my points are about the breaucracy not human rightsOriginally posted by pikamaster:then, of course Freudians like CX and Oldbreadstinks think of human rights as some big,fat, stinking morass? how sad really...i pity SIngapore's "compassionate" society.
the sad pikamaster
and about fallacies, please check the meaning in a dictionary before you make anymore points on that here, apparently from your previous posts you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word itself -
CX,
If I'm not wrong,countries which abolished capital punishment do not have higher rate of murder than countries which have capital punishemnt. Does it show that capital punishment is not necessary?
Even Hongkong doesn't have capital punishment (thanks to the British).size=normal][/size] -
funnily, u r the one that's going around calling pple names... *sigh*.Originally posted by CX:3 things i hate most in an open discussion:
1) to repeat myself becaues dense, stubborn pple refuse to get it.
2) to be misquoted and misunderstood through a clear misreading of my points, stemming from the dense filter of a simple mind.
3) personal attacks.
that dolt has raised some points and i have, over the past few days, addressed them point by point.
and the dolt has consistently revealed itself to be a stubborn, intransigient, prig in all the replies, selectively answering points that suited it's ends, ignoring others that clearly threatened it's arguments.
i see no point in furthering a discussion with one so ignorant, closed minded and ill-bred in the manners of a civilised discussion.
as far as i'm concerned, the pika-creature can shove its pointed tail up its orifice.
n again, jumping to conclusions. my com has some kind of prob with teh website...it can't submit a message with more than one quote, so i did not choose paragraphs "selectively" even though it appears to be so. in fact, it commented on entire messages, in case u didn't know...
if anyone misquoted or misread nyone else's points, i think you are the guilty one. i notice u haven't given examples of my "misreadings" and "misquotes". I am willing to hear it, so y dun u give it a shot? oh, n include explanations as well.
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SIngaporeTyrannosaur,
What exactly are the rights of a Singaporean as defined and promised by the consitution? Have we had free acess to any of these rights or are they just there for wayang?
if you would read the constitution, it does actually state a whole lot of rights, but then comes the clause "these rigths are not guaranteed and can be removed if..." and then all the political OBs which are extremely vague.
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Population of hong kong: about 6 millionOriginally posted by PRP:CX,
If I'm not wrong,countries which abolished capital punishment do not have higher rate of murder than countries which have capital punishemnt. Does it show that capital punishment is not necessary?
Even Hongkong doesn't have capital punishment (thanks to the British).
Hong Kong's crime rate for 2002 = 1120.3 per 100 000
number of reported homicide cases in 2002 = 69
http://www.info.gov.hk/police/hkp-home/english/statistics/compare01.htm
Population of singapore: about 4 million
Singapore's crime rate for 2002 = 768 per 100 000
number of reported murder cases = 22
http://www.spinet.gov.sg/
your assertion does not seem to match the statistics. if it does, please explain how... i'm not very good with numbers.
but that is not the point at all to me. i think we should always have capital punishment as an option. if crime rates are so damn low, or non existent, then we wouldn't be executing anyone now would we?
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Originally posted by pikamaster:the genuinely dissappointed pikaamster
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cx,
Your msg shows HK's crime rate is higher than S'pore.They are higher is definitely no due to they don't have death penalty.
U compare HK's homicide rate with S'pore's murder rate.I think u knows these two are different.
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trying REAL HARD to stay cool???Originally posted by pikamaster:SIngaporeTyrannosaur,
if you would read the constitution, it does actually state a whole lot of rights, but then comes the clause "these rigths are not guaranteed and can be removed if..." and then all the political OBs which are extremely vague.
the pikamaster who is trying REAL HARD to stay cool.
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just wondering anyone have any other info on hk regarding such matters? preferablely in forms i can understand thanksOriginally posted by PRP:cx,
Your msg shows HK's crime rate is higher than S'pore.They are higher is definitely no due to they don't have death penalty.
U compare HK's homicide rate with S'pore's murder rate.I think u knows these two are different.
Do u have statistic to show that any westen country has higher murder cases after it has abolished death penalty?
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you must be joking?Originally posted by pikamaster:funnily, u r the one that's going around calling pple names... *sigh*.
n again, jumping to conclusions. my com has some kind of prob with teh website...it can't submit a message with more than one quote, so i did not choose paragraphs "selectively" even though it appears to be so. in fact, it commented on entire messages, in case u didn't know...
if anyone misquoted or misread nyone else's points, i think you are the guilty one. i notice u haven't given examples of my "misreadings" and "misquotes". I am willing to hear it, so y dun u give it a shot? oh, n include explanations as well.
the genuinely dissappointed pikaamster
i cant believe you just said that
the genuinely surprised oldbreadstinks -
don't waste your time... wait kena flame war worse man... spoil the whole thread.Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:you must be joking? i cant believe you just said that
the genuinely surprised oldbreadstinks
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Originally posted by PRP:
now, i didn't say that
Your msg shows HK's crime rate is higher than S'pore.They are higher is definitely no due to they don't have death penalty.
whether the have the death penalty or not is inconsequential... like i said, its not a matter of numbers. hong kong and sg shares certain supericial similarities... mainly chinese, mainly urban, and i'm no expert, but i believe every society to be different from each other and no comparison is ever conclusive or safe.
like i said... if there was no murders and no drugs, then we wouldn't be executing anyone anymore right?U compare HK's homicide rate with S'pore's murder rate.I think u knows these two are different.
i'm not familiar with the intricacies. the two police force uses slightly different systems of categorisation. can u explain how its different?Do u have statistic to show that any westen country has higher murder cases after it has abolished death penalty?
sorry, no time to find stats today ... i'll be pleased if u could furnish some... it would make for interesting discussion. 
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This, I think is a right and wrong thing. There's a word for it, but just can't think of it now.
Yes Singapore is a place you easily die in, if you aren't careful about what crime you commit. But I think in any country, except for some states in the U.S., murder usually incurrs a death sentence. Though in all religion, taking away another's life or right to live, is WRONG, some crimes committed by some people are just not possible to forgive. As for drugs in Singapore, we all know; do the stuff, and you'll pay with your life. But I believe what erks Amnesty is the "swift" manner in which our system deal out the death sentence for drug pushers and traffickers - being that once you're caught with the offending substance, you're already half dead. I mean, there could be some shreds of evidence that a convicted trafficker is innocent to some degree, but the gravity of the penalty often hangs the party in question without much ado. This refers to the recent case of a Malaysian trafficker.
However, the warning were clear about drugs, maurders, and kidnappings. But if people dare risk the act, then they should be prepared to die.
Personally though, I think to kill one for the killing of another, doesn't make up for the wrong that was done. To me, it just creates another wrong. The law says it is VERY WRONG to take another's life, but it goes ahead and takes the life of the wrong-doer. Somewhat contradicting it seems, but I know if I were the next of kin of the murdered victim, I'd want to kill the bastard too... ( ! ) sheesh -
yes, 2 wrongs don't make a right, but to leave the initial wrong as is, would be wrong too.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Personally though, I think to kill one for the killing of another, doesn't make up for the wrong that was done. To me, it just creates another wrong. The law says it is VERY WRONG to take another's life, but it goes ahead and takes the life of the wrong-doer. Somewhat contradicting it seems, but I know if I were the next of kin of the murdered victim, I'd want to kill the bastard too... ( ! ) sheesh -
You got that right, Nismo.
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Even without death penalty,the state wouldn't leave the initial wrong as it is.Originally posted by nismoS132:yes, 2 wrongs don't make a right, but to leave the initial wrong as is, would be wrong too. -
CX,
Murder is to kill somebody with advance planning.Homicide is kill a person due to various reasons such as out of anger, rush act & negligently. -
the point is, punishment to suit the crime.Originally posted by PRP:Even without death penalty,the state wouldn't leave the initial wrong as it is. -
i hope u dun become another CX or Oldbreadstinks.Originally posted by ShutterBug:This, I think is a right and wrong thing. There's a word for it, but just can't think of it now.
Yes Singapore is a place you easily die in, if you aren't careful about what crime you commit. But I think in any country, except for some states in the U.S., murder usually incurrs a death sentence. Though in all religion, taking away another's life or right to live, is WRONG, some crimes committed by some people are just not possible to forgive. As for drugs in Singapore, we all know; do the stuff, and you'll pay with your life. But I believe what erks Amnesty is the "swift" manner in which our system deal out the death sentence for drug pushers and traffickers - being that once you're caught with the offending substance, you're already half dead. I mean, there could be some shreds of evidence that a convicted trafficker is innocent to some degree, but the gravity of the penalty often hangs the party in question without much ado. This refers to the recent case of a Malaysian trafficker.
However, the warning were clear about drugs, maurders, and kidnappings. But if people dare risk the act, then they should be prepared to die.
Personally though, I think to kill one for the killing of another, doesn't make up for the wrong that was done. To me, it just creates another wrong. The law says it is VERY WRONG to take another's life, but it goes ahead and takes the life of the wrong-doer. Somewhat contradicting it seems, but I know if I were the next of kin of the murdered victim, I'd want to kill the bastard too... ( ! ) sheesh
anyway, the word u r looking for i think is "paradox".
n actually, the majority of countries in the world have scrapped the Death penalty: EU has, definitely. Australia and New Zealand as well. in fact, it is only parts of latin AMerica, Africa and Asia that still have the Death Penalty : 125 countries have abolished it. only 83 have not. i guess that's abt a 3:2 ratio.
btw, Amnesty, like most HR groups, oppose things on bases of morality as well. n my personal stance is the same as yours. In fact, i believe that that should be the stance everyone should take. COmpetition seems to have wiped out much of our morality in one full swipe, and i suppose that could be termed as the double-edged sword of industrial progress.
fyi, i have ben trying to tell CX and oldbreadstinks the same thing you stated. only they are stubborn and won't listen.
the hopeful pikamaster
my school motto: Auspicium Melioris Aevi! -
nobody, i believe, thinks that the murderer should not be punnished. Even Amnesty International dislikes murderers for their violating of human right to life i.e. killings. AI has remined USA and countries like Mexico and Congo to step up measures capturing serial murderers and pple involved in homicides. the major contention is the manner of punnishment, not whether or not the murderer ought to be punnished.Originally posted by nismoS132:yes, 2 wrongs don't make a right, but to leave the initial wrong as is, would be wrong too. -
na behOriginally posted by pikamaster:i hope u dun become another CX or Oldbreadstinks.
anyway, the word u r looking for i think is "paradox".
n actually, the majority of countries in the world have scrapped the Death penalty: EU has, definitely. Australia and New Zealand as well. in fact, it is only parts of latin AMerica, Africa and Asia that still have the Death Penalty : 125 countries have abolished it. only 83 have not. i guess that's abt a 3:2 ratio.
btw, Amnesty, like most HR groups, oppose things on bases of morality as well. n my personal stance is the same as yours. In fact, i believe that that should be the stance everyone should take. COmpetition seems to have wiped out much of our morality in one full swipe, and i suppose that could be termed as the double-edged sword of industrial progress.
fyi, i have ben trying to tell CX and oldbreadstinks the same thing you stated. only they are stubborn and won't listen.
the hopeful pikamaster
my school motto: Auspicium Melioris Aevi!
Retarded Idiots
just joking
The Best Is Yet to Be -
If you are willing to take a life, you must be willing to pay it with yours as well. The death penalty in this case is well and truly fair.
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nope, i'm not joking!Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:you must be joking? i cant believe you just said that
the genuinely surprised oldbreadstinks -
Like ATOBE said earlier, a kill for a kill resolves nothing. at least, fines for other stuff can be used to repair the damage done by whatever act it was. but a kill for a kill does not replace thed ead person at all. in fact, now you ahve 2 dead pple instead of one. not too economic, eh?Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:If you are willing to take a life, you must be willing to pay it with yours as well. The death penalty in this case is well and truly fair. -
we have 6 billion ppl in this world. how economical do you want to get?Originally posted by pikamaster:Like ATOBE said earlier, a kill for a kill resolves nothing. at least, fines for other stuff can be used to repair the damage done by whatever act it was. but a kill for a kill does not replace thed ead person at all. in fact, now you ahve 2 dead pple instead of one. not too economic, eh?