Wage revamp? Govt helping us to save jobs? Are you sure?
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At least, we know the value system that you possess - 'MONEY' above 'LOYALTY'.Originally posted by CenturionMBT:And if we reduce our saleries of the ministers to a 4-5 figure sum, who do you think will want to be ministers? Hey, it is a money oriented world now. You work for money nowadays, loyalty comes second.
It boils down to hypocrisy to tell the younger generations to serve TWO-AND-HALF Years in NATIONAL SERVICE, and BE PREPARED TO DIE for the COUNTRY at any time.
With this 'honest admission' (?), we pray that it is not just a position adopted for the sake of a debate.
Did the 'First Generation' of Singapore Leaders enter POLITICS for the sake of 'Million Dollar Wages' ?
Why do we have to equate a Minister's position with the amount of money that goes with the job ?
Surely, if there are variable portions to a JOB, then there are the monetary benefits and the non-monetary benefits that goes with the appointment of being a MINISTER ?
Little wonder that the venerable, retired Foreign Minister of Singapore - Mr Rajaratnam - had expressed his deep concern with the tremendous emphasis of MONEY that the Government has instilled in all aspects of Singapore Life.
A situation which he termed as MONEYTHEISM. -
From S.i.S post of 8 February 2004 - 1:52 PM.
Is it so difficult for any Minister to 'pull the wools over any one's eyes ?'Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Some corporations experiencing losses from their core business, will attempt to cover up these losses with more activities in non-related business - such as selling off some assets to improve their cash positions and reflect 'PROFITABILITY'.
The successor can only continue with the show, and the last man at the helm left with no more assets to dispose off, will have to think smart and pray that the cash that have been realised with all the past Assets Sales would have been put to better use - so as to achieve REAL PROFITABILITY. [/quote]
Wat will most people think after reading this paragraph ? Literally speaking, u r trying to sugest tat the more assets they sell, the more the company show profitability. The successor with no assets to sell will be the one with the big probem at hand and may either sink or swim.
However from the website u have given me, window dressing is
The PROFIT made by the company remains the same. It is still how much they earned and increase their total assets within this period of time. Window dressing is they sell lackluster shares and buy in stellar performer. During tis time, the profit margin remains the same. Why they do it is just to give people a wrong impression tat they have made a good judgement and buy in shares tat had rise tremendously. However the numbers in the profit margin is still nevertheless true. The loss margin will still remains as losses. [/quote]
So they will sometimes sell lackluster investments they have held for a while and buy recent stellar performers - just so their holdings on the day of record look good.
Your understanding is just a little bit correct, and I am not sure if you actually understand the referred material that had your attention, or if you had only taken the example litterally.
To make it simpler for you to understand the concept of 'Window Dressing' - it is a practise in which the Directors of a business will make any effort to COVER-UP the WEAKNESS of the CORE BUSINESS, so that investor-shareholders' confidence will NOT be affected.
If the core business is in motor vehicles,and for some reason the business volume is very low for 2003, the Directors can cover this weakness by selling off a warehouse that is not needed.
The proceeds from the sale of this warehouse will definitely boost the cash position and the Bottom Line in the Balance Sheet and Profit & Loss Statement. If investors-shareholders do not pay any attention to these Accounting details, then this 'WINDOW-DRESSING' exercise by the Directors will achieve in 'pulling the wools' over the eyes of the investor-shareholders.PriceWaterhouse:
Creative accounting and off-balance-sheet activities
http://www.pwcglobal.com/extweb/manissue.nsf/DocID/0011F785F025C633CA256C3E00284C77
Income Smoothing Policies and Accounting Disclosure in Italian Banks
http://www.bham.ac.uk/EAA/eaa2000/piz_gaet.htmcontinuing post by stupidissmart:
So with tat in mind, do u still think tat it is easy to reflect profitability ? If a minister is performing in a certain department, do u think tat it is easy to pull the wools over ones eyes ?
Looking at the reluctant revelation of the accounts for the GIC, and with comparisons to the words of accounting assurances coming from SM LKY and DPM LHL in defense of such practises, and also comparing to the news reports of spectacular losses from GIC investments that trickled into news publications - if this is not 'VERBAL WINDOW DRESSING' from SM and DPM concerning the true accounting of the GIC, then what else is ?
List of GIC Losses – Any Good News ? 18 May 2001
http://www.sfdonline.org/sfd/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/01Ds/180501.html
[quote]continuing post by stupidissmart:
Other than these few examples u had given, the rest of the CEOs in the world r at least a graduate. From the previous reply from sk, he mentioned about a person working from a cleaner to CEO of Macdonald. How many cleaners r there in Macdonald ? How many of them make it into being a CEO ? For every CEO with humble beginning, there is at least a million other people with the same humble beginning but cannot excel as much. Isn't tat considerd as a miracle ?Do you have a problem of understanding here, or is your intention not correctly conveyed across in print ?
I think u r the one tat have the wrong understanding here, or is your intention not correctly conveyed across in print ?
Are you having a 'miracle' problem by asking about the fact that 'there is at least a million other people with the same humble beginning but cannot excel as much. Isn't tat considerd as a miracle ?'
I see it as being quite normal that 'at least a million other people with the same HUMBLE beginning but CANNOT excel as much - THIS IS NOT A MIRACLE.
Do you consider this a miracle ?
Do you need me to list more examples of non-graduates who make it to become C.E.O's of successful companies ?
I would think that it is a 'MIRACLE' for non-graduates to become successful C.E.O's of successful companies.
The paragraph u have quoted from me had said the point tat there r millions of cleaner in Macdonald but only 1 made it into CEO. Tat CEO had created the miracle. Then now u trying to act cute and said u r the one tat mentioned tis point while I just blabbered nonsense.
In the first posting,Why is Macdonald story so entertaining is because it is about creating miracles. And miracles r called miracles because it is near impossible for it to happen.
So I asked, how many such people can u find in this world compared wth the many others tat did not ? [/quote]
Do you want exact numbers, or can you refer to the FORBES list of men and women - who made it into their list of successful entrepreneurs ?continuing post by stupidissmart:
No one is disputing the fact that 'qualification of the people is still important' but that is not necessarily the beginning or the only road to be a successful entrepreneur.
Qualification of the people is still important. Employing and observing performance of scholars is still relevant in today's world. If u don't, it will take a miracle for u to be as successful as tat macdonald CEO. I do not deny the existence of a few, I am questioning about the likelihood of it occurring to u and me. So wat is your point then ?
If you do not deny the fact that there is 'the existence of a few' - do you have any idea of the size of those 'few' in this world ?
It will not be a miracle if I succeed as I believe that I have the pre-requisites to be a successful entrepreneur - which is a Person with a Vision, a sense of Direction, a sense of Opportunity, a sense of Urgency and Purposefulness, Clear Thinking, and Determined Perseverence.
With so much self-doubt of your own talent (due to your meek acceptance of the Government's arrogant view of their own talent), and self-doubt that Miracles CANNOT happen for you, then I can only wish you luck to continue being those grouped with the Cleaners at MacDonalds.
Do not get me wrong with my statement, as these Cleaners do make an honest living; unfortunately they remained trapped in their preferred choice. This could be due to the message being drummed into them that TALENT is a scarce commodity and it is not easily found in Singapore - meaning that TALENT is not amongst us 'sheep' but belong only to those annointed by, OR self-proclaimed to be, the 'Shepherds'. -
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Why do you continue to swing this discussion 'Off-Topic' ?continuing post by stupidissmart:
Ecellent academic results from 'hard work' that shows 'commitment and undying perseverance' does not necessarily help a Scholar to be a successful person in any other fields.
Their success in academia may confirm a certain degree of intelligence or capacity to learn, store and retrieve information, but not necessarily make every excellent Academic understand every complicated theories. [/quote]
BTW u had made a spelling error on the word excellent... should I write a para about it ? Hmm...
If u agree people tat r good in their studies have the following traits, then will u agree people tat failed utterly in studies, generally speaking will shows they have a poorer abilities of the above ? [/quote]
Hmmm, would you believe it, if I tell you that it was left intentionally to bait you for a response ?
You fell for it with the enthusiasm of a child seeking redress for a wounded pride (?)
Seriously, there were a few spelling errors from even some of the best thinkers in this sgForums, but nothing quite like those who do not make any effort to clear up a wrong referral that is repeatedly made when SPECIFICALLY intended for a PARTICULAR point.
'C.O.E' being preferred OVER 'C.E.O' - in several posts - when the actual intent is refers to a 'Chief Executive Officer', and when the acronym is so obvious.
By the way, if you are still counting it is '4' para still, but including this last short one then it becomes '5'.continuing post by stupidissmart:
If u know a scholar well, u will know tat they compare their performance with other people regularly. Studying is actually a competition among the students. Who is performing better ? a person getting a B while the average grade of the exam is F of a person with B while the average grade of the exam is A* ? U sure in studies there is not competition at all ? [/quote]
Neither does it take a person with excellent academic results to appreciate, understand, and cope with competition, and responding to excel over competition.
Would you like to start a new topic on the abilities of Scholars versus Non-Scholars and the comparison of abilities and achievements that each can have ?
Does one's academic success indicate one's ability in Life ?continuing post by stupidissmart:
But then the ability between a scholar and a non scholar is different. Or at least more the ability of a scholar is more easily detectable. If someone has to make multi million decisions, who will u choose to make it ? Scholars or non scholars ? [/quote]
The efforts of a 'Scholar' is no different from that of a 'non-scholar'.
The difference is only in the Size of Financial Value in the achievements or the failures that can be attributed to the Scholar, or to the non-scholar.
The Scholar can make multi-million dollar blunders - as in decisions to invest in a Hard Disk Drive business when it is a sunset industry - and the money is not necessarily his or HER own.
It is not a matter of deciding who is a better candidate - a Scholar over a non-Scholar - to handle multi-million dollar decisions.
It rests on the experience, character, aptitude and attitude of the person to act as a Leader in a Team, and how as a Leader he or she receives the counsel and advise of the Team.
Was Lt Gen Winston Choo (Rtd) a Scholar, when he is responsible in building up the SAF with multi-million dollar contracts for the first 15 years of Singapore's independence ?
Was Mr Sim Kee Boon - the Chairman of Keppel Corp - a scholar ? Yet he is trusted by the Government for his vision, calmness, strength, patience, team spirit, determination and decisiveness when the call comes
Is Mdm Ho Ching a Scholar ? She was reported to be from Stanford, graduating as an Engineer, and she certainly had her fair share of financial adventure, with the spectacular multi-million dollar loss in her decision to invest in Micropolis Hard Disk Manufacturing.
Spectacular Achievers will make Spectacular Success AND Failures will be on a VERY SPECTACULAR SCALE.Whither Singapore Inc.
http://fox.rollins.edu/~tlairson/sm/singinc.html
Who is handling our Reserves ?http://www.sfdonline.org/sfd/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/01Ds/160601.htmlcontinuing post by stupidissmart:
Sure it is. But if u r a company recruiting new people, how do u know who has the ATTITUDE and APTITUDE required ? Though studies may not be an effective guage, there is no other guage we can rely on. Telling me all these stories above is pointless. My question is if A and B, both with no working experiences are seeking a job, how will u chose who is more capable ? From wat I know, most people will choose qualification. Wat will u choose ?
By your standard, late starters like Albert Einstein would not have a chance in Life.
Bill Gates would have been shown the door, and Steve Jobs would not even get to bite his Apple.
Little wonder that Sim Wong Hoo, a Polytechnic qualified technician, could not get any support from DBS Bank or EDB, and had to start his business in the USA.
Goi Seng Hoi was also a technician, servicing machines before he was offered the opportunity of a Life time to buy over the business that bought the machines he had designed, built, and maintained.
Academic results is only a small window to a person's ability.
It is the ATTITUDE and APTITUDE of a person - towards ALL THINGS - that makes a person successful in meeting all the CHALLENGES FACED IN LIFE.
Is there any point in telling you anything at all when you have already made up your mind in your acceptance and strong belief of the Government thrust that there is limited TALENT in Singapore.
Is there any need to go any deeper into this subject that you constantly create that has no relevance to the Topic.
It seems like you have never been involve in the process of recruiting anyone as part of your job portfolio, which explains the position that you have taken.
I doubt if it will be beneficial to try to educate you on the processes available, and would recommend you to brush up your readings on Human Resource Management - with particular reading on 'What NOT to do in a Recruitment Exercise'.continuing post by stupidissmart:[b]
From wat I knew, Blair is a lawyer. Bush is a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975. Thanksin has a doctorate in his hand too.
Will you consider Bush and Blair remarkable in their studies ?
How about Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin ?
Suharto ? Megawati ? Mrs Aquino ? Thaksin ?
They are not small time politicians, but political leaders of their respective countries. Were they remarkable in their studies ?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html # Bush
http://www.britannia.com/bios/blair.html # Blair
http://www.encyclopedia4u.com/t/thaksin-shinawatra.html #Thaksin
Of course there were politician tat were poorly educated. They rise from their ranks because they r great soldiers. Saddam Hussein, Suharto and Mao Te Tong r examples. R they good politicians ?
What is a measure for being a good politician ?
By providing the stability for a country that allows economic activities to take place, providing employment, health care, education, security, peace and continued development.
Despite the methods used, did Saddam, Suharto, and Mao not achieve these goals for their population ?
They were feared for the powers that they have, but were eventually nudged off their seat by internal or external force. -
continuing post of S.i.S 8 February 2004 - 1:52PM
continuing post by stupidissmart:
Holding the old policy for too longÂ… is it true ? Even if it is, is it easy to pull out of an existing policy at the precise moment ? [/quote]
This 'Old Policy' of limiting the number of people into the Singapore University had been stubbornly followed by the Government for too long, and has affected too many Singaporeans to spend life savings to send their children to be educated in overseas Universities.
The 'Old Policy' was POLITICALLY and ECONOMICALLY MOTIVATED to achieve the undeclared agenda of the Government, but made quite obvious in their public actions - such as the implementation of the Suitability Certificate, the limited quota for certain courses, the manipulation of cut-off points for certain popular courses to redirect interests into areas that meet manpower demand from the Economy.
What is the purpose with 'Knowledge' but to improve one's ability to handle the challenges in Life ? Life will encompass all areas including economics that cover commerce, and industry.
We are back into one full circle, having returned to the economic malaise that we faced during independence - CREATING JOBS FOR SINGAPOREANS.
Yet, this time around, the Government seems to be awakened that with a LARGER NUMBER of MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE, Singapore stand a better chance to RUN the LONGER TERM RACE.
We now have more Universities, but Polytechnic Students upon graduation, remain blocked in further studies in local universities - even when ESTABLISHED Overseas Universities accept the qualification of our Polytechnic GRADUATES.
A bad policy is simply a bad policy.
Like an old building teetering towards collapse, is there any need to hold on with the waiting game, until any precise moment to demolish this old building that is endangering or affecting everyone ?
It depends on the determination and the WILL to terminate a Bad Policy - unless the Bad Policy is there to serve the purpose of perpetuation of Political Power. Should it be that difficult ?continuing post by stupidissmart:
Does one measure the quality of the University by your stated criteria of 'STRICT ADMISSION' Policy - so the more numbers of applicants rejected will reflect the high standards of the University ?
Note we too have to improve on the quality of our 2 UÂ’s in order they be recognized as reputable University. How do people guage whether is a university good or not ? One criteria, is the number of students being selected from the total number of people applying for it. Tis is important as it gauges the standard of the students in the university. The 2 Singapore University always has a bad score for tis item because there r TOO LITTLE people here. The 2 Universities can churn out thousands of students a year, which probably make up 10-20% of all population born tat year. The ratio is already 20%, which is too high. It is the school policy to selectively pick people so tat they can become world class university. If u fail to get a place, it just means u arenÂ’t good enough for tis university.
How do you gauge the standard of the students in the university ?
Will it be more accurate to judge the standards of the University and its education methods, from the performance of those persons who were trained and graduated from that University ?
If there are 'TOO LITTLE people here' and if the Government accepts your 'ratio at 20 percent is too high', then how do you explain that there will be at least three more Private Universities being set up in Singapore ?
Did the Government take more then 30 years to realize that having a LARGE POOL of Tertiary Educated is NOT A THREAT to the Political Fortune of the Government ?continuing post by stupidissmart:
You must be deluding yourself if you believe that our NUS and NTU is equal in status and reputation to Harvard, Tokyo, Beijing or even Oxford - simply due to the fact of a tough admission standard imposed onto our prospective local applicants.
However u must be good enough to be selected. In my knowledge, when poly graduates r going into NTU engineering, they r already sinking heavily as they canÂ’t cope with their studies there.
Reputable university ? I want to know if they can get into FAMOUS university since the reputation of the university in Singapore arenÂ’t tat bad either. Can poly students get into Harvard or Tokyo or Beijing or Oxford university ? Why donÂ’t u tell me the names of the reputable university tat accept people from our poly ?
Harvard, Tokyo, Beijing, and Oxford have accepted the qualifications of our Polytechnic Students, especially those with grades that meet their admission requirements, and for those relevant courses that are available and will be relevant as Post-Polytechnic training - or accepting Polytechnic Diploma holders with the experience and expertise to pursue further studies available at these Universities.
Most universities in England, Scotland, Wales, North Ireland, and those in Australia, New Zealand and the USA - will accept our Polytechnic Diploma Graduates, with first year exemption or credits exemption for qualified subjects.
By denying our Polytechnic Graduates the right to be admitted to our local Universities, it does not necessarily reflect the quality and high standards of the local Universities. It reflects narrow mindedness of the PAST, that are NOW being reviewed.
The high standards can only be determined when the graduates are employed, and their job performance MEASURED during their time in the work place will be the deciding factor in determining the QUALITY of the University Education.
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Originally posted by CenturionMBT:And if we reduce our saleries of the ministers to a 4-5 figure sum, who do you think will want to be ministers? Hey, it is a money oriented world now. You work for money nowadays, loyalty comes second.
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I am not as educated as most of the regular posters here. Neither do I pay much attention to the shift in the goverment cabinet. (I do keep track of the laws and regulations thou as it does affect my daily life).
I just want to say this.. I wanted to put this with my other post but I am afraid it might go into the X-Files (Missing).
The goverment can create jobs for the people, however it is the people who has to save their own jobs (most of the time). Perhaps we should review how we treat our EMPLOYERS and our COMPANY? A comparison has to be made between our workers and workers found in more attractive locations.
Due to the automation process, the demand for manpower has drastically being reduced. We are going to find more jobless people around.
Most of our workers/students just follow the trend. We should predict the trend not follow the trend. Right now, we are playing catch up. Trying to catch up with the medicine industry.
I believe not many will know why the trend is what it is today. They are just blindly following. (Like bubble tea and luo han fish).
Deja Vu if you ask me.. (doctor saturation, lawyer saturation... scenario) -
'Government can create jobs for the people' ?Originally posted by NoPoint:I am not as educated as most of the regular posters here. Neither do I pay much attention to the shift in the goverment cabinet. (I do keep track of the laws and regulations thou as it does affect my daily life).
I just want to say this.. I wanted to put this with my other post but I am afraid it might go into the X-Files (Missing).
The goverment can create jobs for the people, however it is the people who has to save their own jobs (most of the time). Perhaps we should review how we treat our EMPLOYERS and our COMPANY? A comparison has to be made between our workers and workers found in more attractive locations.
It looks like the Government has created a situation that they are destroying jobs, while the 'people has - made so much sacrifices - to save their own jobs'
The Government do not practise what they preach so loudly to the employers in commerce and industries.
While the Government tell the Employers NOT to retrench but to retrain and redeploy; the Government Departments are retrenching the Civil Servants even up to this date in Singapore - IRAS will soon be retrenching 120 personnel. This retrenchment is being carried out even after the recent exercises of a general pay cut and reduction in Employers' CPF Contribution.
While the Employees are encouraged to submit to wage and CPF cuts, the Government do not submit their own interests to any cuts to their revenue by way of cuts to the various high tax rates - indirect and direct, and charges for services to the Employers.
The Government continue to impose high costs of operation to the Employers, with high URA land costs that affect rentals and development costs, petrol prices, cost of owning and operating transportation.continuing post by NoPoint:
While automation can affect the employment situation, it remains a necessity to maintain higher Quality with the Quantity and Speed in output - that only increases the Productivity per person employed.
Due to the automation process, the demand for manpower has drastically being reduced. We are going to find more jobless people around.
The increase to the number of unemployed Singaporeans will depend on the environment that is beyond the control of the Employers and the Employees; and this will lie in the hands of the Government.
The Government has said so often that Singapore has so limited TALENT, and ALL the LIMITED Talent that are available are found and are in the hands of the Ruling Party, and with none available to anyone else.
Will it not be reasonable to expect that since ALL the AVAILABLE Talents are concentrated in the Ruling Party that form the present Government, we should expect that they will have ALL the TALENT to cover ALL ANGLES and foresee any threats that can affect OUR Environment, and the Employment situation ?continuing post by NoPoint:
With the Government EXPECTING everyone to only be OBEDIENT, and to have CONTROLLED INITIATIVE that only do and think what is acceptable to the Government, do you expect workers/students to THINK ?
Most of our workers/students just follow the trend. We should predict the trend not follow the trend. Right now, we are playing catch up. Trying to catch up with the medicine industry.
I believe not many will know why the trend is what it is today. They are just blindly following. (Like bubble tea and luo han fish).
Deja Vu if you ask me.. (doctor saturation, lawyer saturation... scenario)
A Shepherd will expect a herd of Sheep to move along ONE PATH only, as decided by the Shepherd.
With the help of a single, or a pack of shepherd Dogs, all the Sheep must follow the SINGLE SET DIRECTION.
Any 'troublesome' Sheep will be 'handled' by the Dog and will be snapped to ensure that the Sheep will not change the Shepherd's plans.
In an environment of distrust, fear of the Sheep' running loose, and constantly herded to behaviour within the bounds of hidden 'OB Markers', can any supposedly LESS TALENTED Worker, and any inexperienced student, be expected to be CREATIVE and even be able to think 'Out of the Box' ? -
I don't know how to reply your post. You have not fully replied to my post. Only certain points are touched on, only one side is painted black. It takes 2 hands to clap.
If goverment doesn't create jobs... who does?
Edit: Opps I forgot bout the goverment retrenching part. Recycling doesn't work very well when you have to pay wages with taxes.
And the points you have raised is interesting, some are facts. Some, well due to my uneducated mind. I do not understand how you get that conclusion.
Funny that by using automation, it reduces the margins of error and more efficient execution of workflow. It degrades quality and lowers productivity? I know I am not very educated, but that doesn't make me an idiot... does it
Last part, com'on. We fear the dog? Yes there are certain things that are out of bounds. But your accusation doesn't stand in what I had written. HMm does the dwelling population, the goverment's policy for more child birth ring any bell in your head? Look, I didn't write to start a revolt or strike.
What you wrote sounds like this to me: If goverment want doctors, you must study to be a doctor or the ISD will pay you a visit?
Maybe you should try READING what I have written before you post a reply. -
Who is the one that ACTUALLY put the bread on the table ?Originally posted by NoPoint:I don't know how to reply your post. You have not fully replied to my post. Only certain points are touched on, only one side is painted black. It takes 2 hands to clap.
If goverment doesn't create jobs... who does?
Will be interesting to know which certain points of your previous post were not responded to, unless you expect me to read between your lines
All I could see from your post was -
firstly, your pre-ambles with your humble education and your fuddy-duddy fear with X-files - as if it concerns us;
then your reference to Government CAN create jobs - which was addressed;
onwards to a proposed review of how WE (?) treat Employers and the Company - as if our treatment is appreciated by Employers out to lower their costs;
and a comparison of workers with 'more attractive locations' - as if the treatment received by workers elsewhere - in the First World - can be worst than the Third World treatment that Singapore Workers are receiving;
a dabbling with automation causing unemployment - a thought that was countered;
and finally the inability of 'workers/students just following the trend' - that you claimed to be explosive.
Certainly, it will take two hands to clap, and the resonance will be quite pleasing, if done so with EQUAL FORCE.continuing post by NoPoint:
Cannot be of much help with your memory that are fed with inputs from slanted visions that view the world at preferred angles.
Edit: Opps I forgot bout the goverment retrenching part. Recycling doesn't work very well when you have to pay wages with taxes.continuing post by NoPoint:
Will be quite happy to share the benefits of my education, but I will need to know which part of my conclusion that your self-admitted supposedly 'uneducated mind' failed to grasp.
And the points you have raised is interesting, some are facts. Some, well due to my uneducated mind. I do not understand how you get that conclusion.continuing post by NoPoint:
An uneducated mind does not make one an 'idiot'; but one certainly does become an 'idiot' if one cannot read the simple text as stated, and decide to read more than what had been printed.
Funny that by using automation, it reduces the margins of error and more efficient execution of workflow. It degrades quality and lowers productivity? I know I am not very educated, but that doesn't make me an idiot... does it
Perhaps you have a slanted vision that convince you of being a person with limited education ?
Will you try revisiting that statement, which I will reprint for you below, and perhaps you can figure which part of my posted text that you have claimed to state - 'automation degrades quality and lowers productivity' :
While automation can affect the employment situation, it remains a necessity to maintain higher Quality with the Quantity and Speed in output - that only increases the Productivity per person employed.continuing post by NoPoint:
While a 'dog' is a lovable and loyal animal, some are trained specially to be vicious attack dogs, if your limited education had not exposed you to this fact.
Last part, com'on. We fear the dog? Yes there are certain things that are out of bounds. But your accusation doesn't stand in what I had written. HMm does the dwelling population, the goverment's policy for more child birth ring any bell in your head? Look, I didn't write to start a revolt or strike.
I will not be in a position to assist in giving you help with your self-declared 'limited education' if you prefer to be in a self-denial mode.
It seems that your previous post which accuses Singapore 'Workers/Students just follow the trend' seemingly apply to you too.
What is your problem that you seem to have with your often repeated 'little educated' position ?
With this constant repetition in my post, it can be theurapeutic, and you may be inclined to have less self-doubt.
Government NOT creating enough Jobs ? Automation losing Jobs ? High Population Growth Rate that Government cannot find enough Jobs ? Or Workers/Students just following the Trend ?continuing post by NoPoint:
Now I wonder who should be taking this last bit of advise ?
What you wrote sounds like this to me: If goverment want doctors, you must study to be a doctor or the ISD will pay you a visit?
Was my writing that severe, or was it (again) your own slanted vision of seeing 'what you want to see' that caused you to come to your stated understanding ?
Could you not see that 'if Government want doctors, you must study to be a doctor', as you have little choice to do so when the University will raise admission standards and tighten the quota to certain courses (law, engineering, arts, etc) so as to achieve the same objective in [b]subtler ways.
Now you are too quick in judging our very Talented Government.
[quote]continuing post by NoPoint:
Maybe you should try READING what I have written before you post a reply.
Care to revisit my last post that caused you to have a worsening crossed visions ? -
Some points like the X-Files do not concern you at all, in fact it wasn't address to you.
You are a typical whining employee ain't you?
Who put bread on the table? YOU.
Who brings the bread to you? NOT YOU.
You speak as thou you know how the goverment works, maybe you DO know your MPs, ministers etc etc. I don't. I suspect you are clueless to what goes on between the goverment and our private sectors. I can't say I know everything, but I do know abit of what goes on in the private sector and the goverment's work.
I do not like the current policies as much as you do, maybe I hate it even more than you. However I try to be objective.
Have you been a employer before?
Have you had any employees working for you before?
Have you ever put yourself in the shoes of your employers?
I doubt you ever did. You probally too caught up in the FREE the slaves movement. I suggested a change in mindset, you put it down. Go read up on the history of our job market, maybe you will not be so clueless.
My purpose of putting low educational level there is to let the layman like me know that I am speaking from what I observed and found out. And not some nut who went to Harvard and returned to babble some analysis and theory.
Like it or not the goverment has managed to create jobs. At what expense however I will not touch on it. I have a feeling that it will be deleted by Mods.
What has not been touch on? The worker's attitude. You want to tell me our mightly sales staff is better than those in Japan?
Unless your company serves local corporations, I do not see any reason for it to stay here. Why don't you convice me why local corporation must hire locals? (Other than being patriotic). -
The least you could have done, is to do yourself a favor by putting a pre-emptive warning to readers that the X-Files you posted has 'NoPoint' at all.Originally posted by NoPoint:Some points like the X-Files do not concern you at all, in fact it wasn't address to you.
It was just plain stupidity on your part - surely you do not also believe that being 'Stupid Is Also Smart' ?continuing post by NoPoint:
You provided the ANSWER to the questions that you posed, and then you deny yourself the ANSWER.
You are a typical whining employee ain't you?
Who put bread on the table? YOU.
Who brings the bread to you? NOT YOU.
Bendingly LOW is your humility, and how low can your education go ?
Do I need to even rebutt your view posted ?
With your slanted vision and self-admitted 'Low Education', I will NOT be surprised if you have those wierd vision - that bend around the corners, till you see a Rear End which you cannot recognised to be your OWN.continuing post by NoPoint:
Your style of debate seems to be modestly polite, and yet shows your own conceit in some false bravado manner.
You speak as thou you know how the goverment works, maybe you DO know your MPs, ministers etc etc. I don't. I suspect you are clueless to what goes on between the goverment and our private sectors. I can't say I know everything, but I do know abit of what goes on in the private sector and the goverment's work.
You claim that maybe I 'DO know my MPs, Ministers, etc, etc'
Yet, you can claim I am clueless about the going on between the government and our private sector.
You claim emphatically that YOU DO NOT know the MPs, Ministers, and etc. etc.; YET you dare also CLAIM that you KNOW A BIT of what goes on in the private sector and the government's work - and then MAYBE 'I can't say I know everything'.
ONLY a little bit of knowledge, and ALSO you 'can't say' you 'know everything' - YET you intend to intimidate or impress me of your little knowledge from your self-admitted low level of education ?
Sorry, but it is better if you go back to school first, if you have not yet past 'PSLE' - which is about as lowly educated as you can get.continuing post by NoPoint:
How can you even try to be OBJECTIVE, when you DO NOT LIKE the current policies as much as I do (do I like them at all?); and even maybe YOU HATE those policies even more than ME ?
I do not like the current policies as much as you do, maybe I hate it even more than you. However I try to be objective.
Your attempt at being OBJECTIVE is certainly admirably 'NoPoint'.continuing post by NoPoint:
With your kind of low educated intellect, can you even understand the roles of being Employers or Employees ?
Have you been a employer before?
Have you had any employees working for you before?
Have you ever put yourself in the shoes of your employers?
With your kind of slanted vision, I will seriously doubt if you can even know your right shoe from your left, and if you can even separate the shoe laces from each side of the shoes.
Do you even know how the shoes feel when you use those shoes ?
I certainly will feel sorry for those shoes when you cannot decide what to do with your left feet and your right.continuing post by NoPoint:
Thank you for your compliments, although I will take it at your false face value.
I doubt you ever did. You probally too caught up in the FREE the slaves movement. I suggested a change in mindset, you put it down. Go read up on the history of our job market, maybe you will not be so clueless.
At least I am seen to be involved in some higher human activity of FREE the slaves movement.
What are you capable of doing for yourself and for the other oppressed Singaporeans ?
Now I am wondering who should need more schooling in all the subjects - and not only history alone.
Try some of De Bono's 'Thinking for Boneheads'continuing post by NoPoint:
Is there a need to even put on a false front - whether with an admitted low educational level, or a Havard paper ?
My purpose of putting low educational level there is to let the layman like me know that I am speaking from what I observed and found out. And not some nut who went to Harvard and returned to babble some analysis and theory.
The QUALITY of your thoughts depends on your HONESTY, COMMITMENT, CONFIDENCE, and ACCURACY of information.
Why all the deceit and false humility ?continuing post by NoPoint:
Why bother with the Mods ?
Like it or not the goverment has managed to create jobs. At what expense however I will not touch on it. I have a feeling that it will be deleted by Mods.
Are your information - (concerning the expense amount that the Government spend on creating jobs for Singaporeans) - so SENSITIVE, and affect National Security ?
You do not know any MPs and Ministers, yet you have all this SENSITIVE INFORMATION that you fear the Mod will delete ?
Despite your humble approach, you also can put up quite a show of self-importance (?).continuing post by NoPoint:
Did you even raise the issue of 'worker's attitude' anywhere in your previous post ? Did I slipped by this issue in my response ?
What has not been touch on? The worker's attitude. You want to tell me our mightly sales staff is better than those in Japan?
What problems do you have with the Singapore Sales Staff ?
I can pity any sale person problems when handling you.
The venerable and loyal staff at Robinsons Singapore has won high praises from Foreign Visitors and Singaporeans alike. Their courteousy and extreme helpfulness have won commendations every month or so. They can converse well in polite tone, and in several local dialects and generally in very good English.
Can the same be said of the Japanese Sales Staff in JAPAN, who can hardly understand or speak any other languages to help any foreign shopper in Tokyo - let alone the other secondary cities ?continuing post by NoPoint:
What has patriotism got to do with Employers taking on LOCAL employees or not ?
Unless your company serves local corporations, I do not see any reason for it to stay here. Why don't you convice me why local corporation must hire locals? (Other than being patriotic).
By your standard of thinking, maybe we should condemn the Singapore Government for their TOTAL LACK of PATRIOTISM for allowing Foreign Talents to compete with hard pressed Singaporeans for the limited number of jobs ?
Try harder and you may not get whacked from one Topic to another.
Did those guys at the other topic give you a hard time - Singaporean talents leaving to other countries ?
You can expect the same in this thread too, if you cannot elevate your thought process to a higher plane, where the air gets even thinner, and the ride can be affected by more turbulence. -
Not really save jobs but it can companies be more competitive
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Is wage reforms another one of gahmen's "quick relief, temp solution" to get themselves out of the hot soup? When will they wake up to see they are digging peep into the 6ft grave they have made of Singapore.
Yes, no doubt MNC will be impressed, why not since a saving is a saving so stay on for a little while. Don't forget, we live in a 1st world condition earning 3rd world pay. How long can we sustain?
Gahment cannot earn from foreign tax so, increase profit by taxing on the ppl from water, transport, COE & etc.
We cannot stop our neighbour to start price war & further lowering their cost. They have the resources, their citizens can afford to because they have the fats to do so, standard of living is not so demanding, their dollar can buy a meal.
Our dollar can buy a FART if you are lucky. -
My purpose of this topic was to see and be open about suggestions by the people to the government. Lets just say this forum is monitored by our kind parental government. They monitor almost every media circulation around the world and most imtportantly the ones here.
My view is through the stand of a neoclassical economics and sound financials, the wage revamp can be a temporary solution which is what the government might want you to think. However, if implemented, will be permanent. IE, when the economy is doing bad, just cut out the rest of the pay package and just give you basic wage. It makes the job easier for GLCs to do pay cuts and in SIA example, just a simple reduction in pay for the pilots. No more agruements by unions. Lets just say SIA is the only union that complains, the rest are controlled.
This makes the governments job easier to do so. However, like most things in life, you have to look at pass examples and see if they work. We have to move with the times and change our industry if needed. IE for the States, they have tried their best to keep their steel industry sector as it employed over 300,000 workers however it dies a slow death as they just are'nt cost effective against other countries. It does not mean we have to be paid less...
Thus, if we suck at doing something, we have to move on... The furtue of SIA is at stake due to low cost air carriers, they foresee luckily as the living example of the US bankrupted air carriers suffered when budget air carriers came about. However, there is a balance, longer the distance to travel people are more likely to pay more. Bascially, you can tell how much air carriers in the past earned as their profit margins were 3 or 4 folds.
Basically, as the people, we have to work harder and strive to get the benefit from doing so. However, we have sectors like the semi conductors whereby most of the workers are m'sians, this means there is captial outflow out of singapore. What this means is that money is not spent in Singapore but outside, thus SIngapore does not get any benefits.
Its hopeful that we are getting more involved into biotechnology as this will be the next bubble to live on. As the baby boomers, who are reaching old age, they want to live longer. And with bio engr, we can look towards nanotechnology to live longer. And as they say, a moment longer in one's life is priceless. Singapore's last trump card can be based on this. Trump card, this is a term I use, you can easily think of the trump cards Singapore has tried to use. -
My purpose of this topic was to see and be open about suggestions by the people to the government. Lets just say this forum is monitored by our kind parental government. They monitor almost every media circulation around the world and most imtportantly the ones here.
My view is through the stand of a neoclassical economics and sound financials, the wage revamp can be a temporary solution which is what the government might want you to think. However, if implemented, will be permanent. IE, when the economy is doing bad, just cut out the rest of the pay package and just give you basic wage. It makes the job easier for GLCs to do pay cuts and in SIA example, just a simple reduction in pay for the pilots. No more agruements by unions. Lets just say SIA is the only union that complains, the rest are controlled.
This makes the governments job easier to do so. However, like most things in life, you have to look at pass examples and see if they work. We have to move with the times and change our industry if needed. IE for the States, they have tried their best to keep their steel industry sector as it employed over 300,000 workers however it dies a slow death as they just are'nt cost effective against other countries. It does not mean we have to be paid less...
Thus, if we suck at doing something, we have to move on... The furtue of SIA is at stake due to low cost air carriers, they foresee luckily as the living example of the US bankrupted air carriers suffered when budget air carriers came about. However, there is a balance, longer the distance to travel people are more likely to pay more. Bascially, you can tell how much air carriers in the past earned as their profit margins were 3 or 4 folds.
Basically, as the people, we have to work harder and strive to get the benefit from doing so. However, we have sectors like the semi conductors whereby most of the workers are m'sians, this means there is captial outflow out of singapore. What this means is that money is not spent in Singapore but outside, thus SIngapore does not get any benefits.
Its hopeful that we are getting more involved into biotechnology as this will be the next bubble to live on. As the baby boomers, who are reaching old age, they want to live longer. And with bio engr, we can look towards nanotechnology to live longer. And as they say, a moment longer in one's life is priceless. Singapore's last trump card can be based on this. Trump card, this is a term I use, you can easily think of the trump cards Singapore has tried to use.
FYI Btw, they reduced corporate tax from 22 to 20% but our individual tax rate is still 22%.