Singaporean talents leaving to other countries
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what u mean? i 2001 can't vote at that time so i never noticedOriginally posted by Viper52:Hope that you can vote with your ballot paper lor. And get a luxury not available to 65% of eligible Singaporeans in 2001.
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Well its simple, because of gerrymeandering by the Ruling Party just before the elections and walkovers in many GRCs (a system so skewed its unbelievable), only 35% or Singaporeans above the age of 21 voted, even though all Singaporeans above 21 are eligible.Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:what u mean? i 2001 can't vote at that time so i never noticed
A 35% voter turnout would mean a null election in some countries. In Singapore, it was touted as a strong mandate for the Ruling Party
Those overseas like me, were not allowed to vote (again) even though the Ruling Party had promised before the election date that Singaporeans overseas would be allowed to vote in certain countries (those with many Singaporeans etc) for the 1st time. Reason being terrorist threat, not enough time to set up etc etc. They break election promises even before elections. Nice -
hmm... i didn't know thatOriginally posted by Viper52:Well its simple, because of gerrymeandering by the Ruling Party just before the elections and walkovers in many GRCs (a system so skewed its unbelievable), only 35% or Singaporeans above the age of 21 voted, even though all Singaporeans above 21 are eligible.
A 35% voter turnout would mean a null election in some countries. In Singapore, it was touted as a strong mandate for the Ruling Party
Those overseas like me, were not allowed to vote (again) even though the Ruling Party had promised before the election date that Singaporeans overseas would be allowed to vote in certain countries (those with many Singaporeans etc) for the 1st time. Reason being terrorist threat, not enough time to set up etc etc. They break election promises even before elections. Nice -
Well it figures... people who leave for greener pastures are called "quitters" by a Party that offers an alternative of staying in a system that well and truly rips you off and sucks the lifeblood out of you for no purpose to yourself at the same time while ecouraging other people to "quit" their own nations and come over to replace you.
Oh the ironies, they will stop at nothing to have their cake and eat it too will they not? -
Let them eat cake!
is it becoming like that? seems so to me...Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Well it figures... people who leave for greener pastures are called "quitters" by a Party that offers an alternative of staying in a system that well and truly rips you off and sucks the lifeblood out of you for no purpose to yourself at the same time while ecouraging other people to "quit" their own nations and come over to replace you.
Oh the ironies, they will stop at nothing to have their cake and eat it too will they not? -
London, for studies. Perhaps Germany after Grad.Originally posted by Viper52:Thats the spirit Heng! Where are you planning to go? -
Heng, if you end up in Italy while LDM's still about, I'll never forgive you!
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LDM?Originally posted by Gedanken:Heng, if you end up in Italy while LDM's still about, I'll never forgive you! -
Bravo! 2 Thumbs Up! Gedanken, you put the issue right in its place. They live in this small island and think that they are the world. Geez...come out and take a look man. Other markets may not be as clean, well-run and all, but try working and surviving it.Originally posted by Gedanken:That statement says it all, FireIce - probably more than you intended. A good part of the time, the ones who leave are treated as "talents" with the inverted commas.
These people leave Singapore and go to environments in which they can perform to their maximum potential, instead of being hampered by people who either have some inferiority complex or want to protect their rice bowls instead of being truly competitive.
These are the people who want to have the freedom to do what they see to be the right thing, instead of following the yes-sir-no-sir-three-bags-full mentality that pervades right from the beginning of the education process. Unfortunately, Singapore is the kind of place where thinking for yourself makes you a pariah.
The strangest thing is that these are exactly the people that Singapore needs right now in its current stage of development. The growth of the economy has resulted in a population that can no longer afford to play the game of producing goods that are cheaper than anyone else's. Right now, they need people who can think outside of the square, but with the atmosphere of hierarchical compliance, they have done themselves in. Recognising this need, the government instead decided to launch into its "stayers and quitters" nonsense. The message they effectively delivered was "Singapore - love it or lump it". Fine - faced with such a choice, many have chosen to lump it, and it's the government's poor judgement to have offered such a challenge instead of trying to coax these people back.
So, yes, in other parts of the world, they're talents. It's only in Singapore that they're "talents". -
My answer:Originally posted by HENG@:u want a frank answer?
my answer is that, my passion is motorsports.
i want to, and dare to, make my passion my career. unfortunately singapore is not supportive of motorsport. hence, i will leave singapore, because my passion is that strong.
I want to be able to dream of what I can be. Cant do it in Spore coz I need to apply for a permit to dream. Found it in China. -
Glad you agree, Xprobe!
What are you doing in China? -
Glad you agree, Xprobe! What are you doing in China?
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Now I run my own boutique consultancy outfit in Shanghai. I am the one that they labeled "problem child" in school because I seek alternatives to "standard answers".Originally posted by Gedanken:Glad you agree, Xprobe! What are you doing in China? -
Hehe, wouldn't know THAT feeling!Originally posted by Xprobe:I am the one that they labeled "problem child" in school because I seek alternatives to "standard answers".
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gimmie a 5!Originally posted by Xprobe:My answer:
I want to be able to dream of what I can be. Cant do it in Spore coz I need to apply for a permit to dream. Found it in China. -
me too.Originally posted by Xprobe:Now I run my own boutique consultancy outfit in Shanghai. I am the one that they labeled "problem child" in school because I seek alternatives to "standard answers".
and in the end, who are the ones who dare to dream big? -
you're screwed.Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:but what about those who can't leave?
at least you're not quitters -
Me? Problem Child? Nahhh...I was merely in a class of "Problem Children"Originally posted by Xprobe:I am the one that they labeled "problem child" in school because I seek alternatives to "standard answers".
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Hmm.. I remember when i applied for my police clearance from the Singapore Police for immigration purposes. They asked if you were migrating and why you were migrating. You had to tick 3 options. I didn't dare tick that Singapore was restrictive as i know there is a tiny file with my name and IC number on it and what i think of the country.
Is that fear that they perpetuate enough reason to leave? -
Originally posted by Viper52:Me? Problem Child? Nahhh...I was merely in a class of "Problem Children"
damnOriginally posted by AzRaeL:you're screwed.
at least you're not quitters
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Interesting, what are the other 2 choices? I'm not at that stage yet.Originally posted by Lingos:Hmm.. I remember when i applied for my police clearance from the Singapore Police for immigration purposes. They asked if you were migrating and why you were migrating. You had to tick 3 options. I didn't dare tick that Singapore was restrictive as i know there is a tiny file with my name and IC number on it and what i think of the country.
Is that fear that they perpetuate enough reason to leave?
Is that fear that they perpetuate enough reason to leave? Of course! Why not? -
Well.. from memory, there were..
1) Singapore is restrictive
2) I do not want my son to serve NS
3) More opportunities outside of singapore
4) Marriage
5) ... i can't remember.. but the form is available on the web. I think i searched for Singapore governments under Police Clearance Certificate or something like that.
It freaked the hell out of me to pick label 3 choices out of all of them. I had to picked the ones that were neutral like marriage (not true), more opportunities.. steered clear of those NS ones.. or that singapore is restrictive. I told everyone here that i was afraid of being labelled a traitor by the government and that there's a file with my details in it. They think i'm nuts. -
there's nothing wrong with leaving to strike out on your own. that's what i intend to do too, the entire system now just really isn't viable for anyone ambitious.
but i believe in returning and sharing our new found knowledge and skills, if anyone just leaves because they can't find a solution, then how is it going to get better?
but from an individual point of view, it probably is (getting better).
everyone's a whining about how things are bad, and that it's just going to get worse. if you have ideas and solutions, but yet aren't willing to test them out, then you don't really have much to complain about being labelled a quitter.
i don't enjoy the use of the classification of stayers and quitters, too much generalisation, but the fact is that you guys ARE quitting on the rest of us. and then turning around and laughing at us as though all of a sudden, we're beneath you.
there are ways to make things better, online discourse is good, but action is what counts. if you're afraid of the stigma (and risks) of being a politician (of either party), then work it out from the private sector. even then, you can't suddenly just come in and demand change saying "our system is no good, theirs is better. let's uproot ours and use theirs." change takes time. as little as there has been, things have changed. and with the passing of time, will only get better.
you can watch in the building of rome, or you can take part in it. you may or may not live to taste your labour, but at least you've attempted to make a difference. doesn't that count for something?
if staying behind means we're the sheep of the PAP, leaving just puts you under a different shepherd. -
i seriously don't believe they're going to send the ISD on you and make you sing majulah singapore every hour just because you said singapore is restrictive, nor are they going to put your name into any blackbook. if anything, it's probably survey. and 1 that direly needs honest opinions, otherwise we're just going to have more idiots that believe people are leaving singapore because of other reasons, and then have 'facts' to back them up with.Originally posted by Lingos:Well.. from memory, there were..
1) Singapore is restrictive
2) I do not want my son to serve NS
3) More opportunities outside of singapore
4) Marriage
5) ... i can't remember.. but the form is available on the web. I think i searched for Singapore governments under Police Clearance Certificate or something like that.
It freaked the hell out of me to pick label 3 choices out of all of them. I had to picked the ones that were neutral like marriage (not true), more opportunities.. steered clear of those NS ones.. or that singapore is restrictive. I told everyone here that i was afraid of being labelled a traitor by the government and that there's a file with my details in it. They think i'm nuts. -
Hmm - why do you sound like an SJI boy?Originally posted by Viper52:Me? Problem Child? Nahhh...I was merely in a class of "Problem Children"