Big baby plan...is $ the solution?
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Singapore is alway thinking money is solution to everything. What do you have to say? What matter most for your consideration?
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Time. Time and money.
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although money cannot buy everything but they can buy many things... if gahmen serious about falling birth rate they shud do more than the current baby bonus scheme which i find it is extremely insufficient to entice people here to give birth...
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Another point that was frequently mentioned on the papers : Employer's attitude
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i feel the bottomline is still money coz it is really costing alot of money to bring up a child not to mention having more than one...Originally posted by Parka: Another point that was frequently mentioned on the papers : Employer's attitude
gahmen can do alot of things if they wan to help in stopping the falling birth rate...like wat they did in the 70's asking people to stop at 2...thinks that is the most successful thing they hv done so far... if they think it is the people's problem then good luck to them... -
Confirm $$$ lar ... garhem give me S$10 million .... TODAY i start making babies !
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$ can make even the most siong ghost go away (chinese sayings)
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Errr....that time it is fine for having more than 2......Originally posted by windjammer:i feel the bottomline is still money coz it is really costing alot of money to bring up a child not to mention having more than one...
gahmen can do alot of things if they wan to help in stopping the falling birth rate...like wat they did in the 70's asking people to stop at 2...thinks that is the most successful thing they hv done so far... if they think it is the people's problem then good luck to them...
Now is pay to have more..........more difficult to get $$$ out of gahman pocket.......
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making baby? govt revising way to make singapore make more baby?
i have few personal pointers that i wish to bring out :
1. why govt wana give benefits?
- the govt we know nowadays place monetary benefits above everything. why govt wana do a business that doesnt ripe benefits?
we have lowest birth rate in 2003. if this trend is not revise, singapore could face big problem in the future.
a. reduce nos of tax payers in 20 years down the road. govt cannot generate enough taxes income. to resolve it, either to increase taxes in the future or increase company taxes which either way singapore govt would like to aviod else, all those CPF cut or flexi wages also no use. moreover unattractive taxes would also turn away foreign talents or induce singaporean to work oversea.
b. defence. simply not enuff soldier to support skeleton crew at all units.
c. fewer workers in the employment market. company cant find enuff workers or realise they need to pay higher wages to get employee might look elsewhere for investment.
d. shrinking own economy. ageing population or shrinking population means small domestic economy. vulnerable to any macroenvironment changes. i think govt is aiming for bigger domestic market in singapore by having bigger population.
2. why singaporean not having enuff babies?
i also father soon. i plan at most 2 kids. why? simply cannot affordfor myself though i love children.
a. hospital fees
hospitalisation fees ard $5000-$6000 for B2 ward.
of which around $3000 cash is needed. futher $2000+ is medisave. havent count consultation fees for 10 mths which could add up by another $1000 cash.
total 1 year for pregnacy cost : $7000. ($4000 cash).
havent add tonic for wife, baby medical cost.
b. unsecure working environment.
who want to have some many baby and higher expenses by having a bigger family. what happen if either one breadwinner is jobless? more ppl will suffer. also having more than 2 kids meaning wife would have to resign and take care. meaning more mouth to feed by lesser income.
c. bleak future for the kids.
singapore is like a sunset economy for most ppl. unless you are a professional like lawyers, doctors, auditors. poor is going to get poorer and rich getting richer. kids in the future gona find it tough
conclusion:
whatever the outcome from this 2004 budget, dont think gona change my view about nos of kids we gona have.
anyone ever wonder how much it cost to have a baby in HK?
be surprise how cheap it is.
not gona mention australian as the taxes there are higher so baby delivery there is almost free.
what do fellow friends think about it?
Pires
(Fan of arsenal FC the champion of 2003-2004 english premier league
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Agree with Reyes 99.99 % whole heartedly
the missing 0.1% comes from fact that Singapore Muslim malays are still maintaining family size of at least 3 kids
Of cos gahmen concern of the shrinking population is of *great concern to them ... cos in future, r they passing bill to tax non-citizens more ??!! No way, foreigners will mostly probably go back to where they come from ...
This is in-lieu with Chinese saying "Goat hair grows from Goat's body" -
i wonder about this "more babies" thing...
i mean, singapore is resembling a damned moshpit without the great music already!!
look at Orchard Road on a weekend!!
where are we going to put all these people?
so, we've an aging population... so what? we create the next generation of "aging population" by having LOADS of children now? who's "burden" are these children of today? what then? singapore's population has to reach 10 million then??
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$10mil divid by population of 3mil = $3.30. Not enough.Originally posted by stoner:Confirm $$$ lar ... garhem give me S$10 million .... TODAY i start making babies ! -
i dun think it is the success; but rather the stop at 2 thing is a by-product of the increase in stress, work and standard of living...Originally posted by windjammer:i feel the bottomline is still money coz it is really costing alot of money to bring up a child not to mention having more than one...
gahmen can do alot of things if they wan to help in stopping the falling birth rate...like wat they did in the 70's asking people to stop at 2...thinks that is the most successful thing they hv done so far... if they think it is the people's problem then good luck to them...
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Baby sgboy2004 -
watched document on about this couple. Wife worked in SP (I think) 4 kids. She mention by 4th kids there are nothing...no leave, no subs. True in a sense to stop abuse by 1% malays who have >3 childrens even earning $1000 a mth.
But then she go on saying, cannot stop working becos it will cost more to the family finances. The shows goes on say: HER HUSBAND EARNS $10K/Mth. Can you beat that....how many Sporean couples even earn a combine income of $10K????
So what is enough? I think it is more so $$ issue.
1. Employers... change of labour law
2. Longer leave for mother, also include 1 mouth leave for father since now have children are responsiblity of both sexes.
3. Lower Hospitals.
4. Tax rebates
5. Free education...in France all education is FOC except private. -
Originally posted by the Bear:i wonder about this "more babies" thing...
i mean, singapore is resembling a damned moshpit without the great music already!!
look at Orchard Road on a weekend!!
where are we going to put all these people?
so, we've an aging population... so what? we create the next generation of "aging population" by having LOADS of children now? who's "burden" are these children of today? what then? singapore's population has to reach 10 million then??
give me a break.. Almost the same thoughts here. hahahaaa. -
Ha ha.....u still don't know what is install for u.....wait till baby come out...
insurance $150 ++ a mth
immunisation $100 + (1 jab every mth for first six mths)
pediatrician ($60 per visit)...and boy do they realli fall ill....after the 1st year....about 4 to 5 times....and see doctor abt at least 3 times each time a year (you do the sums, $60 X 4 X 3), excluding medication....
milk pwder($20 + a week, or more if your baby wants DHA/ARA formula) , unless ur wife wants to breastfeed (but stil must buy pump to express milk when she goes back to work....etc)
diapers....etc
But don't worri, u will forget all the cost when ur baby smile at u.2. why singaporean not having enuff babies?
i also father soon. i plan at most 2 kids. why? simply cannot affordfor myself though i love children. a. hospital fees
hospitalisation fees ard $5000-$6000 for B2 ward.
of which around $3000 cash is needed. futher $2000+ is medisave. havent count consultation fees for 10 mths which could add up by another $1000 cash.
total 1 year for pregnacy cost : $7000. ($4000 cash).
havent add tonic for wife, baby medical cost.
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Originally posted by the Bear:i wonder about this "more babies" thing...
i mean, singapore is resembling a damned moshpit without the great music already!!
look at Orchard Road on a weekend!!
where are we going to put all these people?
so, we've an aging population... so what? we create the next generation of "aging population" by having LOADS of children now? who's "burden" are these children of today? what then? singapore's population has to reach 10 million then??
give me a break.. Anyway, it all boils down to economics.
More people = more spending.
More people might mean more productivity... -
they not only get wat they want but even better results as many couples opt to hv one or none...Originally posted by sgboy2004:i dun think it is the success; but rather the stop at 2 thing is a by-product of the increase in stress, work and standard of living...
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Baby sgboy2004 -
Yes i agree, it is more about time than money though. People are just simply too busy and life is very hectic. Already many graduates cannot find jobs, what makes you think they would want to find new families? Raising children especially in Singapore is very costly. Time and dedication is a must, with more working mothers and fathers, will children really be looked after properly? In other words, even if we have more children or families here, will they be of good quality? What sort of babies does the government want? The lifestyle in Singapore is just too hectic, my teachers dont even have time for PTA meetings, yet alone to raise families. And this is the same with my adult friends, mostly insurance agents, they dont think that Singapore is a place to really raise children.Originally posted by Parka: Time. Time and money.
If one wants to argue about increasing productivity, then thought should be given to the unemployed, rather than put more resources in raising children.Originally posted by Parka: Anyway, it all boils down to economics.
More people = more spending.
More people might mean more productivity...