Regarding the part about getting rejected without reasons.... tht's hard 2 swallow... gota find a way to solve it... in a tactful way hopefully... tht's ur teacher.. unless he/she hit u... then u win.. hehehOriginally posted by gerrykoh:Very time consuming & adding to the stress of the students. The proposals get rejected many times & students told to rewrite without knowing the reasons why. Also if u have lazy co-workers u cannot change partners. Feedback is that all students hate project work. They have to spend weekends & holidays on it in addition to CCA (practicing 3 times a week) & numerous tests.
Originally posted by proudsingaporean:Feedback is that most JC students feel that PW is contrived and fake, all they have to do to get good grades is to pretend to be enthusistic and active in discussions when supervising tutor is examining them.
Then again, how do you actually give a grade and examine intangible things like students' interpersonal skills and leadership skills? Is PW an effective tool?
I agree in principle that projects as an alternate measure and assessment of Learning, should be used in moderation and for the appropriate context.Originally posted by sgboy2004:just an observation... project work has become the in-thing
even Primary schools are using it too... claiming with educational backings tat it stimulate learning ... true, it also bring problems and undue stress to students who are not taught how to handle it enough... like thrown into the deep-end of the pool and ask the student to swim...
And some schools are worst, almost all subjects has each a project, some has multiple too...
Schools should moderate and study the effectiveness of project work, not all subjects benefit from it... so dun follow blindly... not bcos some research studies showed it helps will mean will be effective across the board.... many research reports are "moderated" and reported with success; at the same time, many cases of failures are not reported either.
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AgreeOriginally posted by [ Neo ]:I agree in principle that projects as an alternate measure and assessment of Learning, should be used in moderation and for the appropriate context.
And in conjunction with the mechanism's growing introduction into the syllabus, the value of its importance should also be proportionally reflected in terms of higher assigned grade weightage to move ourselves away from the current myopic method of looking at student calibres based primary at single setting examinations i.e. the Mid year Exam and the End year exam.
I believe that should be the main reason. Some principals are overduly concerned over their rankings, while otherwise want to push their students to get as many As as possible. Project work is not totally without its merits... however it will require the student to have sufficient knowledge before he or she can attempt it. For example, if I ask a student to build a Van De Graff generator, they will have to know the principles behind this machine and then obtain the materials involved.Originally posted by tspg:maybe the problem lies in the mentality of the students and teachers in JC because of the obsession with grades ?
For me I have gone through both systems. My A-level results not so good so I went to poly after my NS. I feel that the lecturers and tutors in poly are more nuturing and receptive to different ideas from students. They dun go for a model answer. There is also more room for discussion and different answers are accepted as long as you can prove your point. In JC the learning is more of a one way traffic. Situation may be different now. Not sure. Left school for quite a while liao.Originally posted by greengoblin:I believe that should be the main reason. Some principals are overduly concerned over their rankings, while otherwise want to push their students to get as many As as possible. Project work is not totally without its merits... however it will require the student to have sufficient knowledge before he or she can attempt it. For example, if I ask a student to build a Van De Graff generator, they will have to know the principles behind this machine and then obtain the materials involved.
One reason why project work is so frustrating for JC students could be that they are facing time constraint and the members are not matured enough to handle such a task. Poly students have the advantage perhaps to slowly ponder and gelling ideas before coming out with the final product... JC students with their limited knowledge is hard.
It will not be fair to blame the teachers... teachers themselves are under alot of stress to perform and to ensure that the class works effectively. It is not easy to comprehend the psychology of an adolence mind. The onus is on them to motivate the students effectively.
hohoho merry christmas.... i have personally done Project Work(PW) and i share this view..... utter waste of time.Originally posted by proudsingaporean:Feedback is that most JC students feel that PW is contrived and fake, all they have to do to get good grades is to pretend to be enthusistic and active in discussions when supervising tutor is examining them.
Then again, how do you actually give a grade and examine intangible things like students' interpersonal skills and leadership skills? Is PW an effective tool?
Nope. JC is a preparation for university. Poly then is a preparation for working life.Originally posted by the.raven:JC is good preparation for working life.
I meant the project part.Originally posted by tspg:Nope. JC is a preparation for university. Poly then is a preparation for working life.
Ok i cOriginally posted by the.raven:I meant the project part.
I think poly students are still better equipped to handle project work and theirs are more relavent to the actualy world.Originally posted by the.raven:I meant the project part.
well if u are constantly under stress, have useless workmates....then its a perfect imitation of the real world.Originally posted by greengoblin:I think poly students are still better equipped to handle project work and theirs are more relavent to the actualy world.
Perhaps the Minitry should look into reducing the work load. The emphasis on results and yet wanting to make paradigm shifts in how things are being taught plus Principals obessions on ratings make it very difficult on teachers and students.