NS reduced by 6 months - SO?
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duplicate- please see my other posting
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There is really No big change , it was originally 2 years. Later Government extended NS by another 6 months - without a national consensus. Most Singaporeans were terribly upset and dead AGAINST it.
If NS cut to 12 months - that will be seriously considered as government's genuine concern for the financial hardship and inconvenience sufffered by many Singaporeans because of lengthy NS.
Take a look at these countries which have NS like us -
Countries with mandatory military service
Austria
In Austria, compulsory military service applies to all male citizens from 18 to 36 years of age (with some exceptions), in which the basic military service must be done. The duration of the basic military service is eight months. This can either be done in one go, or as a service of six months with regular weapon exercises of several days as member of the Miliz until the duration of eight months is reached.
Military alternative service or civil service is possible in place of the compulsory military service. Its duration is 12 months and can be performed at different organizations.
China (PRC)
The People's Republic of China has conscription for both men and women. Women who are conscripted go to the army for two months and learn to fire guns. .
Finland
As of 2004, Finland has mandatory military service of at least six months, depending on the assigned position: those trained as officers serve for twelve months, specialty troops serve for nine months, and other rank and file serve for six months. Women can serve, if they choose. Civilian service of 13 months is available in lieu of military service. Men who opt for neither are sent to open prison where they may work and study for a period of six months.
Germany
Germany has a mandatory military service of nine months for men. Women may volunteer and are allowed to perform the same jobs as men. A conscientious objector may write a petition requesting permission to do a civilian "substitute service", which is usually accepted, whereupon he is expected to serve 10 months. Overall, however, during the past few years, the number of men being drafted has declined significantly.
German law provides several options for conscientious objectors to perform alternative public service instead of a weapons-based military service:
Greece
As of 2002, Greece (Hellenic Republic) has a mandatory military service of 18 months. However, it is developing a professional army system, and it is widely expected that the mandatory military service will be abolished soon, with some ranks serving for 14 or 16 months in recent times. Greek soldiers fire a gun during the first two months of their service.
Israel
Israel has mandatory military service for both men and women who hold Israeli citizenship. It is the only country which currently practices female conscription.
Lebanon
Lebanon has a mandatory military service of one year for men.
Malaysia
As of 2004, Malaysia has a mandatory national service of three months for a selected group of both men and women. 20% of 18-year-olds are selected through a lottery system to join this program. Trainees will not be trained using firearms. The first training date is Feb 16, 2004.
Norway
Norway has mandatory military service for men (women can volunteer) of 6, 9 or 12 months. Pacifists can apply for alternative service.
Russia
As of 2002, Russia (Russian Federation) has a mandatory two-year draft but most Russians avoid it. Only 11 percent of Russian men enter mandatory military service.
Singapore
Singapore has one of the longest mandatory military service for males, at two and a half years. As of Jan 2005, it will be reduce by 6 months.
South Korea
As of 2002, South Korea has a mandatory military service of 26 months.
Sweden
Less than a third of the Scandinavian country's eligible 19-year-olds are actually drafted each year.
Switzerland
Switzerland has the largest militia army in the world (200 000 including reserves). Military service for Swiss men is obligatory according to the Federal Constitution, and includes 17 weeks of basic training as well as annual 3-week-refresher courses until a number of service days which increases with rank (300 days for privates) is reached. Service for women is voluntary, but identical in all respects. Conscientous objectors can choose 450 days of community service instead of military service. Medical deferments and dismissals from basic training (often on somewhat dubious grounds) have increased significantly in the last years. Therefore, only about 33% of Swiss men actually complete basic training.
Taiwan (ROC)
As 0f 2004, The Republic of China has implemented mandatory military service for all males since 1949. Females in the outlying islands of Fujian must also serve. Beginning January 2004, the mandatory service has been shortened by two months.
Canada
In Canada conscription has never taken place in peace-time. Conscription became an extremely controversial issue during both WWI and WWII, especially in the province of Quebec.
France
France was one of the first nations to employ conscription. During the wars following the French Revolution the army needed men to stop invasions Austrian and British invasions. France abolished peacetime military conscription in 2001.
Slovenia
Slovenia's Prime Minister Anton Rop abolished mandatory military service on September 9, 2003.
United Kingdom
The United Kingdom had conscription during the First World War and the Second World War. After the Second World War, it introduced National Service, which was abolished in 1960.
United States of America
The United States has instituted mandatory military service at various times, usually during wars such as the American Civil War, World War II and Vietnam War. Registration for selective service (for possible future drafts) is required of all males at their 18th birthday. Registrants remain in the pool until January 1 of the year they turn 25.
When the United States began mobilizing in 1940, in response to the threat from Nazi Germany, the first peacetime draft in its history was introduced. Use of the draft persisted through the early years of the Cold War.
However, in the aftermath of Vietnam, it was recognized that retention of conscription would be completely impracticable.
The military currently does not believe that a draft is needed. They feel that the current personnel levels of the military services is sufficient. Some members of the military feel that an all volunteer military provides military services with people that are in the military because it is truly what they want to do, and makes the military better. In recent times many more positions in the military require highly skilled and trained individuals, which some in the military have felt could only be obtained through volunteer means. There have been rumours of a targeted draft to obtain the people that have specific skills for military service.
We can learn from USA , we must also admit a strong regular army is sufficient to deter and fight terrorists during peace time. Afterall, in war time, our island has been considered by many top military experts as being too small to afford a strong defensive position if we are attacked.
So why NS for Singapore - a country not threatened, in conflict or fighting a war with its neighbour?
Have a regular army of 50,000. It will cost much more.
Obviously Government prefers NS because it's very cheap labour. -
China got NS meh? If China got NS then wtf, every Chinese soldier spit on the ground the whole place flooded the enemy all drown.
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Singapore is small mah... China, USA got so much people tat 1% of its population is already 10 times the population of singapore. We r surrounded by... well... our threats r real too.... The military strategy for singapore is every male is a soldier... if u want to rule singapore u have to kill all the men, which will makes it undesirable to attack singapore anymore...
Anyway our situation r similar to taiwan, isreal and south korea where there may be real threat to our well beings... However I will support NS to be shortened further as our threat is not as serious as the above few mentioned countries... -
Miong ur post was very informative...thanks!
Maybe it will be further reduced - this is perhaps only a small step towards something bigger in the future?
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Yar,shorten NS time is a good news,perhaps in future they will further reduced the time.Perhaps they want to take one step at a time.
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govt NS policy is like masterbedtion. why?
ka ki zho, ka ki siong.
simulation started more than 10 years ago. why now? of couse i feel happy for the younger generation that they dont need to serve too long time in the NS, mostly on "wait". wait for what? wait for firing range, parade waiting for VIP and etc.
to me it just a policy for Teo chee yen to do something to show he been minister of defence.
he can say 18 mths, 23 mths, 22 mths up to me. just a reason which no one will question -
ayah... all talking so much theory and debating.... actually one very simple reason for the cut. guess who's entering NS next year? someone's *ahem* li *ahem* kid is reaching NS age soon...
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The WORST thing about all this recent NS duration thing, is that higher educated people get to serve shorter NS, while the lower educated ones, gets the full course.
What do you think this will cause amongst NS men? Better cohesion? HARDLY!!
In fact, I think it will create a huge riff between the two groups; higher educated, and lesser educated. -
huh? I think only u would think of this...Originally posted by ShutterBug:The WORST thing about all this recent NS duration thing, is that higher educated people get to serve shorter NS, while the lower educated ones, gets the full course.
What do you think this will cause amongst NS men? Better cohesion? HARDLY!!
In fact, I think it will create a huge riff between the two groups; higher educated, and lesser educated.
Anyway, those chao ah beng, they should serve 10 years...
to keep them off the street until they learn not to beat up people in buses...
wanna beat, go battle field and beat...
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Becareful... remember who gets to decide on who is an "Ah Beng" and who isn't. End up with all the white horses doing 2 years and everyone else serving 10...Originally posted by no_speeding:huh? I think only u would think of this...
Anyway, those chao ah beng, they should serve 10 years...
to keep them off the street until they learn not to beat up people in buses...
wanna beat, go battle field and beat... -
you all still don't get it?
*ahem* li *ahem* SOMEONE'S son is entering NS next year. -
bro heng,
i dont know Li son going NS or not. it dont make a difference lah. even if he goes in, either he become a clerk or officer( sin nang officer). 2 or 2.5yr dont make a difference. dont discriminate between beng and scholars. all the same. in fact i appaulse all serve 2 years standard.
our Army is Lee army. do you wana die for the dynasty?? -
Well, I am in my mid 30s, when I look back, that 2.5 yrs was the best time of my life. No, I was not a clerk or in any sinang appointment.
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well, FYI, *ahem* li *ahem* son is entering NS next year. and no he wun be clerk. he will be commisioned as officer, but nice and easy, and then hold some nice cushy post. u seriously think they'll not let him be an officer? how u think the father become BG(NS)? but his commision will of course, be nice and easy...Originally posted by reyes:bro heng,
i dont know Li son going NS or not. it dont make a difference lah. even if he goes in, either he become a clerk or officer( sin nang officer). 2 or 2.5yr dont make a difference. dont discriminate between beng and scholars. all the same. in fact i appaulse all serve 2 years standard.
our Army is Lee army. do you wana die for the dynasty?? -
wonder if anyone would protest if the "son" also becomes "BG(NS)"Originally posted by HENG@:well, FYI, *ahem* li *ahem* son is entering NS next year. and no he wun be clerk. he will be commisioned as officer, but nice and easy, and then hold some nice cushy post. u seriously think they'll not let him be an officer? how u think the father become BG(NS)? but his commision will of course, be nice and easy... -
hahaha... like protest got use?Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:wonder if anyone would protest if the "son" also becomes "BG(NS)"
what can we do but to accept what the *ahem* li *ahem* dynasty imposes.
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Yeah life sucks with all these politics. I think i should do a sitcom on army life, kinda like army daze but a whole series, like blackadder 4 or something.
Anywayz. WHat is the REAL government given reason for cutting down ns time? No speculations pls. -
wah lau, you say like that sound like you expecting him to become bg as well?Originally posted by HENG@:hahaha... like protest got use?
what can we do but to accept what the *ahem* li *ahem* dynasty imposes. -
arh ber den?Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:wah lau, you say like that sound like you expecting him to become bg as well? -
mi·li·tia
1. An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
2. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
3. The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.
Switzerland can't have the largest militia. Moreover, many young Swiss men today buy their way out of service.
Of the countries you listed Taiwan, Israel, South Korea and Germany have larger populations than Switzerland and hence larger militias. US National Guard (Air and Army) well exceeds 200k as well (Army National Guard alone is 18 Brigages) -- currently on active mobilization is 155,805 (Iraq, Afghanistan, Stateside duty,etc.). Singapore's reservists exceed the number quoted above for the Swiss as well. -
What about those who completed 2 yrs 6 months. Is that mean that we have serve these 6 months for nothings ?
We should get compensated for that .
What kind of singapore government is this? At one point less than a year they were talking about extending it to 3 years now says 2 yrs pls lah Minister make up your mind So fickle minded Don't me like a woman
SH*T Previous is SAT Issue now NS Lost hope in Singapore government one point says not enough manpower now says too much intake?
Previous says SAT IS GOOD but now abolished less than a year of implement . Cause me so much to come to australia to study now that i am here i won't want to go back to face this type of SISSY government. -
never vote for this type of government if had the chance Down to singapore
Never mind its success or failure not my business i intend to apply and go to japan after my study who wants to die for singapore ?
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I think they should scrap the whole NS. Its a waste of time. You ORD now at this point of time where the economy is so bad, you think the employers out there give a f**k about your army "experience" mei. They only want work experience or at least you a degree to flash at their face. According to Maslows Hierachy of Needs, if we don't even can get our basic needs fulfilled. Who gives a f**k about country and stuff
