How many innocent Singapoeans killed by Japs in 1942 ?
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After Singapore fell to the Japs in 1942, many innocent civilians were shot and killed in Bedok, Changi, Sentosa, and Sambawang.
i read of the numbers killed vary between 6000 and 40,000 Chinese. Other races not known.
Surely after 60 years, the authorities could have come up with a verified figure so that history could be written and enshrined.
Up to now, nobody seems to know or even to care who or how many........
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wat r u implying at?Originally posted by idwar:After Singapore fell to the Japs in 1942, many innocent civilians were shot and killed in Bedok, Changi, Sentosa, and Sambawang.
i read of the numbers killed vary between 6000 and 40,000 Chinese. Other races not known.
Surely after 60 years, the authorities could have come up with a verified figure so that history could be written and enshrined.
Up to now, nobody seems to know or even to care who or how many........
.............soon it would be forgotten altogether......
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unless you're going to join us and start the pointless and unreasonable blaming of the govt , if not i don't see a point in this
since most threads here are made for that purpose 
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can i suggest to get this a.s.s ban???? just look at all his thread...and u will understand the reason
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do u know in japan, the kids do not learn abt the horrors the fukking japs put singapore thru? they just learn how "great" their soldiers are... etc.
they really do not know abt the rapes, tortures and all the grimy details -
obviously not a history student...Originally posted by idwar:After Singapore fell to the Japs in 1942, many innocent civilians were shot and killed in Bedok, Changi, Sentosa, and Sambawang.
i read of the numbers killed vary between 6000 and 40,000 Chinese. Other races not known.
Surely after 60 years, the authorities could have come up with a verified figure so that history could be written and enshrined.
Up to now, nobody seems to know or even to care who or how many........
.............soon it would be forgotten altogether......
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if only pple had any idea how impossibly difficult it is to come up with verifiable figures for any historical reconstruction, they wouldn't say silly things like these...
anyone who knows anything about sook ching knows that a lot of the killing was pretty damn arbitrary... not even the japs kept records... they were in a hurry... yamashita wanted to leave ASAP... he had other stuff to do elsewhere... moreover, he was a soldier, not a butcher. he didn't care for this crap.
so why don't u do a bit of homework before coming in here and saying such nonsense... history isn't national education. if u want more of that crap, talk to NHB... don't think they have a lot of historians to answer your queries though... -
What the heck is wrong with this guys post? He's posting about Singapore political history. just because you sad cases are whining about your country doesn't mean "speakers corner" has to always be about whining about your country. WHy not whine about another country? Like Britain or US (as we like to do as part of Anti-whiteisation) or even Japan?
I think those Japanese soldiers were bloody savages for what they did in Malaya, Thailand, Kwai and SIngapore, starving allied soldiers and harsh treatment. OF all civilised developed nations, Japan was the last to accept the Geneva Convention, who cares if they have samurai and sushi if they have no grace? I don't like them, we were wise to nuke them, its a pity Roosevelt stopped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We should have nuked the entire place, the bombs dropped in Polynesia should have been dropped in Tokyo and Hitachi instead.
I get the feeling you people are Japanese sympathisers, traitors, just because they have manga and nice porn (which i like too
) doesn't mean they are our friends so straightaway! And just because girls here have a thing for the "jap" look. man i just dislike posers and those japs. -
it's war u talking about here ok... which war is not like that?? just look at what the Nazi did to the jewish...Originally posted by men_@_arms:What the heck is wrong with this guys post? He's posting about Singapore political history. just because you sad cases are whining about your country doesn't mean "speakers corner" has to always be about whining about your country. WHy not whine about another country? Like Britain or US (as we like to do as part of Anti-whiteisation) or even Japan?
I think those Japanese soldiers were bloody savages for what they did in Malaya, Thailand, Kwai and SIngapore, starving allied soldiers and harsh treatment. OF all civilised developed nations, Japan was the last to accept the Geneva Convention, who cares if they have samurai and sushi if they have no grace? I don't like them, we were wise to nuke them, its a pity Roosevelt stopped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We should have nuked the entire place, the bombs dropped in Polynesia should have been dropped in Tokyo and Hitachi instead.
I get the feeling you people are Japanese sympathisers, traitors, just because they have manga and nice porn (which i like too) doesn't mean they are our friends so straightaway! And just because girls here have a thing for the "jap" look. man i just dislike posers and those japs. -
If most of the threads started here for blaming of the government is pointless n unreasonable,then they wouldnt even start in the first place.I mean if u walk pass a stranger,will u suddenly jump up to him n scold him out of the blue without any reason?Of coz,unless you are preparing to go for woodbridge,then we can excuse u.Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:unless you're going to join us and start the pointless and unreasonable blaming of the govt , if not i don't see a point in this
since most threads here are made for that purpose ........But then again,this thread is really meaningless...... -
Originally posted by men_@_arms:
what's wrong with it is that it asks a party that should not be involved (the government) to do the impossible (catalogue causalties of an arbitrary wartime massacre)
What the heck is wrong with this guys post? He's posting about Singapore political history. just because you sad cases are whining about your country doesn't mean "speakers corner" has to always be about whining about your country. WHy not whine about another country? Like Britain or US (as we like to do as part of Anti-whiteisation) or even Japan?
nobody kept records of Sook Ching... the best reconstruction anyone has been able to come up with was based on simple multiplications... how many chinese the japs "processed", how many a lorry could fit, how many lorries were used and assuming how many trips it took in one day.
these days, it is convenient to just blame "the japanese", when the situation is more complex than that... u had the army, the navy, the infamous kempeitai... and they ALL had different agendas... even within formations, there were diverse views.
AND what about the collaborators, like the taiwanese and the koreans? Changi prison, wasn't staffed by 100% japanese guards... many of them were koreans and they were quite brutal as well...I think those Japanese soldiers were bloody savages for what they did in Malaya, Thailand, Kwai and SIngapore, starving allied soldiers and harsh treatment. OF all civilised developed nations, Japan was the last to accept the Geneva Convention, who cares if they have samurai and sushi if they have no grace? I don't like them, we were wise to nuke them, its a pity Roosevelt stopped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We should have nuked the entire place, the bombs dropped in Polynesia should have been dropped in Tokyo and Hitachi instead.
and u think the Allies were innocent of war crimes? the Americans knew long before what Auswitz was being used for... they held off on any actions.
and u think the Russians were perfect gentlemen when they swept across eastern europe to "liberate" them from the Nazis?
and what about Allied firebombing of German and Japanese cities? these were not legitimate military targets. most of the victims were CIVILLIANS.
American firebombing of Japanese cities led to MORE civillian casualties than the two A-bombs... other cities were so trashed that they had to drop it on the only two cities that still had buildings standing to see how well it worked.
and what about unrestricted submarine warfare against Japan by the Americans? more ships were sunk in this way that by surface vessels an aircraft put together.
and u think the sailors on the merchantman wore a Japanese imperial navy uniform??? and what about the starving Japanese civillians? cities and countrysides were starving because the Americans had sunk most of the ships headed for Japan.
that's war for u... there are all equally implicated. nobody's innocent.I get the feeling you people are Japanese sympathisers, traitors, just because they have manga and nice porn (which i like too
thats just your opinion. mine is just this: does it make any sense to villianise one side and canonise the other just because u are ignorant of the other side of the story?) doesn't mean they are our friends so straightaway! And just because girls here have a thing for the "jap" look. man i just dislike posers and those japs. -
Men@arms, u are wrong. It has been a whole generation already, should the children of japan nowadays pay for the crimes of their ancestors? If you boycott their stuff now, u are just perjudice against them. It's not like the teens in japan now have a choice to be born a japanese. By now most of the stuff would be from people who are not that involved in the war. Anyway not that they have a choice, government want war, u think the soldier can say no meh, u try in army now lor and they will charge u for desertation and shoot u also.
I believe we shouldn't always dig up those old feuds, else there will never be true peace in the world.
A lot of innocent jap also died in the war, all those civilian in japan who died in the bombing. -
My point is:
If the Country does not even bother to lists her dead, if there were to be a future event, will the dead be simply dismissed out of hand?
when I visited a small town in australia, I saw a monument with the names of townsfolk who fell for the country. In the Kranji memorial, you will find a mass grave containing the remains of our local volunteers (Dalforce etc). No one bothered to list their names on the mass grave.
Anyway, 'Dalforce' may not mean anything to you ingrates.....
..................they gave their lives in vain, so that our manga readers will live...........banzai...... -
anyone still remember panja V? and his "PAP RUNNING DOG!"Originally posted by drawer:If most of the threads started here for blaming of the government is pointless n unreasonable,then they wouldnt even start in the first place.I mean if u walk pass a stranger,will u suddenly jump up to him n scold him out of the blue without any reason?Of coz,unless you are preparing to go for woodbridge,then we can excuse u. ........But then again,this thread is really meaningless......
i like japanese porn too, think my friend said before , their women are paying for the crimes of their men during WW2 by making porno for usOriginally posted by men_@_arms:What the heck is wrong with this guys post? He's posting about Singapore political history. just because you sad cases are whining about your country doesn't mean "speakers corner" has to always be about whining about your country. WHy not whine about another country? Like Britain or US (as we like to do as part of Anti-whiteisation) or even Japan?
I think those Japanese soldiers were bloody savages for what they did in Malaya, Thailand, Kwai and SIngapore, starving allied soldiers and harsh treatment. OF all civilised developed nations, Japan was the last to accept the Geneva Convention, who cares if they have samurai and sushi if they have no grace? I don't like them, we were wise to nuke them, its a pity Roosevelt stopped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We should have nuked the entire place, the bombs dropped in Polynesia should have been dropped in Tokyo and Hitachi instead.
I get the feeling you people are Japanese sympathisers, traitors, just because they have manga and nice porn (which i like too) doesn't mean they are our friends so straightaway! And just because girls here have a thing for the "jap" look. man i just dislike posers and those japs.
? who are we canonising?Originally posted by CX:thats just your opinion. mine is just this: does it make any sense to villianise one side and canonise the other just because u are ignorant of the other side of the story?
so? my ancestors were innocent too, they still got the crap bombed out of them by the japsOriginally posted by Ole:Men@arms, u are wrong. It has been a whole generation already, should the children of japan nowadays pay for the crimes of their ancestors? If you boycott their stuff now, u are just perjudice against them. It's not like the teens in japan now have a choice to be born a japanese. By now most of the stuff would be from people who are not that involved in the war. Anyway not that they have a choice, government want war, u think the soldier can say no meh, u try in army now lor and they will charge u for desertation and shoot u also.
I believe we shouldn't always dig up those old feuds, else there will never be true peace in the world.
A lot of innocent jap also died in the war, all those civilian in japan who died in the bombing. -
Originally posted by idwar:
how to list? already told u its impossible... there were no records.
My point is:
If the Country does not even bother to lists her dead, if there were to be a future event, will the dead be simply dismissed out of hand?when I visited a small town in australia, I saw a monument with the names of townsfolk who fell for the country. In the Kranji memorial, you will find a mass grave containing the remains of our local volunteers (Dalforce etc). No one bothered to list their names on the mass grave.
because not everybody is identified, identifiable.Anyway, 'Dalforce' may not mean anything to you ingrates.....
what an irony... manga grew as a post war art form and eventually took on the forms of cartoons precisely because the devastated post-war japanese economy COULD NOT afford to build props and studios to make "real" movies.
..................they gave their lives in vain, so that our manga readers will live...........banzai......
we are many generations divorced from the horrors of that time... we should never forget, but the Japan of today IS NOT the same as the Japan of 1945. -
War is cruel I know that and the Japanese of today should not be blamed for their ancestors' crimes. But the least Japan should do is to make formal apologies to its victims and come clean with its past right? What have they done? Absolutely NOTHING. If one look at Japanese history textbooks, they don't even use the word 'invade' when relating WW2 events. In recent years, Japanese officials are visiting Yasukuni shrine where the most notorious japanese war criminals are honored. Tell me is that repentance? The sickening thing is that even until TODAY there are many Japanese who still think that Rape of Nanjing, Bataan Death March and Unit 731 are lies cooked up by the Allies to make them look bad. Why is it so hard for Japan to say sorry? Distorting the truth and so unapologetic....this is not how a civilised nation should behave.Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):it's war u talking about here ok... which war is not like that?? just look at what the Nazi did to the jewish... -
Because of the code of samurai,death is better than admitting defeat. And jap thinks they r the best in asia unless some country can take over their position as most powerful economic in asia.
Lastly,saying 'sorry' means admitting mistake and mistakes equals huge compensation which of course they refuse to pay! -
The world is prepared to forgive them, but they prefer to hide from the truth. That is a sad reality. All the animosity,pain and hatred would have been cleared by just a simple word of sorry.
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i dun tink its so easy to clear la. macham like someone rape your mom, then say sorry 10 years later?Originally posted by CenturionMBT:The world is prepared to forgive them, but they prefer to hide from the truth. That is a sad reality. All the animosity,pain and hatred would have been cleared by just a simple word of sorry.
some things cannot be asked for forgiveness.. but if the offended party can forgive, its a good thing. -
actually, if it takes the Japanese so long and with so much persuasion by koreans, chinese, taiwanese....... to apologize when Germans could do it decades ago. they do not deserve forgiveness for lack of sincerity, but perhaps they can be spared from death by slow torture. their conduct in war were needlessly brutal to civilian women and children. eg. bayoneting babies for sport, higher authority encouraging soldiers to rape and physically abuse as many civilian women as possible, conducting experiments on civilians for biochemical warfare when animals will suffice, killing red-cross personnel because they harbor injured soldiers ........ my point being, i'm all for killing an enemy soldier in war or cutting off resources or brutal interrogation of POWs to acquire strategic information so on and so forth, as long as you do it to military personnel because they pose an immediate and significant threat. but when japs resorted to brutalizing civilians for whatever reasons, they are all war criminals. and of course their determination in denying every deed forces everyone to wonder when's their next move. and their senior ministers will not fail to pay annual tributes to their war dead unless neighboring countries strongly protest again and again. and jap civilians are almost equally guilty of not protesting against their govt's refusal to own up. as can be seen by the fact that the same faction of unrepentent people always stay in political power. of course competency in improving national economy matters, but what about international diplomacy or even primary moral values like courage and honesty to confess? can we conclude they don't matter to the japs? or they don't matter enough to compel them to act necessarily and constructively? anyway, feeling sleepy now. everyone please keep up the jap-bashing. we are only starting to warm up very nicely. thanks and keep up the good work.........
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What's done cannot be undone
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oldbreadstinks,what u talking?Me blur!
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I beg to differ.Originally posted by CenturionMBT:The world is prepared to forgive them, but they prefer to hide from the truth. That is a sad reality. All the animosity,pain and hatred would have been cleared by just a simple word of sorry.
All the animosity,pain and hatred CANNOT be cleared by just a simple word of sorry.
Nevertheless, it would have been responsible for the country to have the courage to openly acknowledge and unreservingly apologize for their wrong.
And it is with very bad grace that as a Developed Nation, the Japanese are still pretty much UNDEVELOPED in their common sense for this long withstanding issue.
Koizumi should stand before the Kranji Memorial and bow before it with repentance - the same way as he did before the Japanese war shrine in 'honor' to the perished Japanese soldiers many many times before. -
anyway...i see this as retribution.
when i turn on the net i see jap gals spreading for all to see....now thats what i call comfort women.
i heard of japs jumping down Mt Fuji...thats what i call sook ching.
When i heard of things in Japan costing a bomb and even their own cities become too expensive to live in...thats what i call BANANA NOTES.
so whats you complaining about? didnt the bomb at hiroshima and nagasaki fry their asses good? if you are still so bitter that grandma got raped and your dad looks abit japanese...at least thank god you have some features to be pround off k? -
I take offence with that.Dalforce was a volunteer auxillary outfit formed by LTC Dalley, operating as Company Dalforce under the18th British Infantry Division commanded by Major-General M.B. Beckwith Smith.You are one acerbic fellow who is quite strait-laced in your mental processes.Are you one of those sheep porduced by the system, never resisted a single bit and now bleating your soft head off in puerile anger?Issues are not one-sided as you might think..They are all dynamic and many things happen in history due to a confluence of events and people.This is not the first time that you have really irritated people here by your posts.I hope you grow up and have a thinking mind.The last thing we need is another recruit for the mindless corps.Originally posted by idwar:My point is:
If the Country does not even bother to lists her dead, if there were to be a future event, will the dead be simply dismissed out of hand?
when I visited a small town in australia, I saw a monument with the names of townsfolk who fell for the country. In the Kranji memorial, you will find a mass grave containing the remains of our local volunteers (Dalforce etc). No one bothered to list their names on the mass grave.
Anyway, 'Dalforce' may not mean anything to you ingrates.....
..................they gave their lives in vain, so that our manga readers will live...........banzai......