Furore over LHL's trip to Taiwan.
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some more, China can ask USA not to interfere in other's state affairs....KNN eh......then why interfere when LHL visits Taiwan?
CCB!!! then they should make noise since day one coz NSmen go Taiwan for training and not China!!!
CCB!!! everything also wanna control!!! Hong Kong now see beh tu lan China leow due to Daniel (Big Bird) Dong Chee Hwa's incompetence.....
luckily they never say Singapore is also part of China.....if they do, i will screw all the billions of China babes first!!! -
The Chinese when speaking in public or to someone not from their own province will use Pu Tong Hua which is similar to the Mandarin we use here. Otherwise they'll use their native tongue or dialect ...Originally posted by 2004Lancer:tell u la....if u ask me to brush up my chinese (mandarin is wrong word coz in china they speak only chinese (bei fang hua) and not mandarin, i rather learn Malay.....then can sian our good neighbour (Malalysia Malay girls)...kekekeke........
Malaysia Boleh!!!!!!!! i love you Pat Lak (is the spelling correct?).....
let's marry Malaysia.....then slowly we marry Thailand and Indonesia....
As for M'sai, even if u know Malay, they will not consider u as one of dem ... will still give preference to their own .. their bhumiputra policies have been ard for eons and wld not change ovrnite.
As for Indonesia .. money talks .... simple as dat
"Pak la" is the name of their beloved PM
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Singapore's Deputy PM Wraps up Taiwan Visit
TAIPEI, July 14 Asia Pulse - Singapore Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong left Taipei for home Tuesday after a four-day, low-key private visit.
Su Tseng-chang, President Chen Shui-bian's chief of staff, saw Lee off at Chiang Kai-shek International Airport. Lee kept a low profile during his stay and refused to answer questions from reporters.
Asked about his feelings over the past few days, Lee just responded with a smile. Prior to his departure, he bid farewell to journalists by waving his hand and saying only "good-bye."
Lee, who is scheduled to become the Southeast Asian city-state's prime minister at the end of this month, arrived in Taipei late last Saturday for an unofficial visit.
He visited Beijing in May and local media speculated that Lee might bring messages from mainland China's leaders on how to resolve the current cross-Taiwan Strait political standoff.
However, a senior government official said Lee defined his Taipei visit as a "journey of understanding and communication" aimed at "meeting old friends and making new friends" before he assumed the premiership.
"Lee had no intention of mediating in cross-strait talks nor did he bring any messages from Beijing, " said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
The official said Lee held extensive talks with Chen during two rounds of talks a day earlier, covering political, financial and economic issues.
"But he was very cautious and prudent when touching on cross-strait and diplomatic issues, "the official said, adding that Lee seldom took the initiative to mention cross-strait topics.
The official further said the two sides did not reach any concrete conclusions or agreements on possible bilateral cooperative programs during Lee's visit.
Lee had a hectic itinerary during his stay. On Tuesday morning, Douglas Paal, director of the Taipei office of the American Institute in Taiwan -- the de facto U.S. ambassador to the country -- paid a visit to Lee for an hour-long closed-door meeting.
Later in the day, Taipei Mayor Ma Ying-jeou hosted a luncheon in honor of Lee and his entourage.
Ma described the lunch meeting as a "gathering between good old friends, " saying that he became acquainted with Lee while doing his doctoral program at Harvard University.
As Ma turned 54 Tuesday, Lee and his wife presented Ma with a birthday cake at the luncheon.
Ma said the Taipei city government has maintained close ties with Singapore. He himself has been to Singapore three times in the past few years and many city government officials have also made frequent visits Singapore to discuss various cooperative programs. Deputy Taipei Mayor Ou Chin-der and all city government department chiefs were also present at the luncheon.
Ma said he exchanged views with Lee on a range of topics, including cross-strait relations, substantive Taiwan-Singapore ties, East Asian economic integration and bilateral cooperation in severe acute respiratory syndrome prevention.
Commenting on Beijing's anger over Lee's Taiwan visit, Ma said Beijing's continued diplomatic embargo against Taiwan only hinders the development of cross-strait relations.
The mainland often strongly objects to leaders from other countries having any formal dealings with Taiwan, but Ma said Taiwan's existence as a vibrant and prosperous democracy is an undeniable fact and that Beijing should face up to this reality.
Lee's talks with Chen reportedly focused on the enhancement of mutual cooperation and regional issues, including hastening the signing of a free trade agreement and cooperation in regional security affairs.
Chen also hosted a dinner in honor of Lee and his entourage, which included Singapore Defense Minister Teo Chee Hean. Vice President Annette Lu and many other senior government officials also attended the dinner at Chen's official residence.
Opposition Kuomintang (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan hosted a luncheon in honor of Lee and discussed Taiwan's economic development, such as the investment conditions in industrial parks in Taichung and Taoyuan areas, as well as small- and medium-sized enterprises on the two sides of the Taiwan Strait.
Lee also paid a courtesy call to Defense Minister Lee Jye Monday afternoon to express appreciation for Taiwan's assistance in the training of Singapore troops under the Hsingkuan (starlight) cooperative program.
On Sunday, Lee met with Premier Yu Shyi-kun for wide-ranging talks. He also inspected the Singapore representative office's operations and met with several elite members of Taiwan's business community.
Singapore, which has an ethnic Chinese majority, has for years engaged in a delicate balancing act over Taiwan, engaging an increasingly powerful mainland while at the same time maintaining close economic and military links with Taiwan. The city-state played host to the highest level meeting between Taiwan and the mainland in 1993.
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No wonder China is making noise......if LHL can meet high level officials like Chen and more, is that still an "unofficial and private visit"??? I just hope he knows what he is doing. -
Think only if it concerns Taiwan will they chap zi ka ... coz it affects their sovereignty ... same wif Hong Kong ...Originally posted by 2004Lancer:some more, China can ask USA not to interfere in other's state affairs....KNN eh......then why interfere when LHL visits Taiwan?
CCB!!! then they should make noise since day one coz NSmen go Taiwan for training and not China!!!
CCB!!! everything also wanna control!!! Hong Kong now see beh tu lan China leow due to Daniel (Big Bird) Dong Chee Hwa's incompetence.....
luckily they never say Singapore is also part of China.....if they do, i will screw all the billions of China babes first!!!
oso our dear fren Ah Bian isn't making it any easier with all the talk abt independence... -
Like dat still dare to say personal visit ??? buay pai seh .. lie oso dunno how 2 lie ... ... can see trouble brewing in the future for S'pore when he takes over the reinsOriginally posted by loudmonkey:Singapore's Deputy PM Wraps up Taiwan Visit
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No wonder China is making noise......if LHL can meet high level officials like Chen and more, is that still an "unofficial and private visit"??? I just hope he knows what he is doing. -
Problem is (a) China & Taiwan has changed in terms of their bargaining ability compared to the early 90s. China now specifically tell everyone else to butt out! And (b) who LHL think he is? He does not have the same amount of currency like LKY. This thing is getting to his head.Originally posted by SpeedStar:Just my opioin, I think LHL's trip to taiwan is to build up the relationship between taiwan and china especially the tension that was created after the presidential election. My dad used to tell me LKY use to hold meeting with the leaders of taiwan and the mainland in singapore. His purpose is to act as a middle manbetween the 2 countries. Therefore I have reasons to believe that his purpose for this trip is a need. Perhaps it might be china who wanted him to go and talk to them as a third party instead of directly talk to them.
Conversation! My god! Read the news! China would not have a dialogue with any Taiwan leaders that does not support "reunification". It is THAT simple.
You know, Spore is so westernized that those concerned are so out of touch. Shame on the foreign ministry. -
it is still private visit ma....paisey for what? i will soon be the prime minister and when i visit old friends to talk about Golf and Hsu Chun Mei, then suddenly my Taiwan friends asked me about politics, can I say, "mai gong zi leh la, puay (August) geh kar gong la"....cannot right?
must entertain abit ma....also to show i know a lot ......deo boh?
anyway, i still feel China should not make noise lor....
i still believe visit is just for business networking ..... who wanna chup zi kar in Taiwan's politics anyway...a parliament who always fight and fist each other.....kakakakakakaka.......
if they (China) make me angry, I will suggest ST build stealth anti-vice machines to chase chinese prostitutes out of Geylang and Chinatown man!!!! -
China and Taiwan also see beh stupid....just unify with China lor.....unify better than end up like Israel and Palestine ma.....some more got different type of babes to try.......KNN....see beh stupid............sia sway chinese....think singapore chinese more KIANG!!!!
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he go there to help in the investigation of the gun shot on President Chen lah.
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China's anger over the Taiwan issue towards Singapore made it look to me like a diplomatic break-up threat.
It is like:
"How can you go visit my enemy's house?! Wait I don't friend you!"
Though it is understandable why China would behave this way. I don't think they should over-react by getting "angry", saying their billions of people are dissapointed.
I felt to me like they are pressurising us using their sheer size.
That's too high-handed.
Obviously, Singapore's economic future is linked to China. I think every Singaporean knew that. We are not as stupid as they think.
Who is harming the Sino-Singapore relations? Well, that really depends on any nation's understanding and benovelence. -
The question is why he go stir up hornets nest ? Why fix sth dats not broken ?Originally posted by Eiizumi:China's anger over the Taiwan issue towards Singapore made it look to me like a diplomatic break-up threat.
It is like:
"How can you go visit my enemy's house?! Wait I don't friend you!"
Though it is understandable why China would behave this way. I don't think they should over-react by getting "angry", saying their billions of people are dissapointed.
I felt to me like they are pressurising us using their sheer size.
Obviously, Singapore's economic future is linked to China. I think every Singaporean knew that. We are not as stupid as they think.
Who is harming the Sino-Singapore relations? Well, that really depends on any nation's understanding and benovelence.
He muz rem that he is representating the country by virtue of his position and who he is ... somemore didn't go alone, go with minister and can somemore say personal/private visit .... KNN !
Such sovereignty issues are very delicate .. dunno whether got consult MFA before he made the decision to go ... -
Maybe he go there to buaya Hsu Chun Mei ...ask Wu Zong Sian how 2 tackle gal ... and consult Chen Shui Bian on strategies 2 win electionOriginally posted by 2004Lancer:it is still private visit ma....paisey for what? i will soon be the prime minister and when i visit old friends to talk about Golf and Hsu Chun Mei, then suddenly my Taiwan friends asked me about politics, can I say, "mai gong zi leh la, puay (August) geh kar gong la"....cannot right?
must entertain abit ma....also to show i know a lot ......deo boh?
anyway, i still feel China should not make noise lor....
i still believe visit is just for business networking ..... who wanna chup zi kar in Taiwan's politics anyway...a parliament who always fight and fist each other.....kakakakakakaka.......
if they (China) make me angry, I will suggest ST build stealth anti-vice machines to chase chinese prostitutes out of Geylang and Chinatown man!!!! -
think KHL needs to open an account under anonymity in sgforums first...seek others opinion first before he plans his next move...
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Maybe the ISD is already on the way to your house. Better start packingOriginally posted by 2004Lancer:think KHL needs to open an account under anonymity in sgforums first...seek others opinion first before he plans his next move...
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The sad fact is that we are small, we are not exactly the movers and shakers of the world. Recognize it and deal with it.
But we can leverage our influence and strengths, that should be the core thinking behind our foreign policy.
But please la, leverage in the right context. In the early 90s when China was not that strong, they can agree to "One China. Different Interpretation". But now, they stubbed the Taiwanese when TW backtracked and want to go on this platform. Why? Because they are strong enough to bargain now.
This "middleman" approach dont work for the current state of affairs. Like US, you are either with me or you are against me.
We can think that we are garang and intelligent and si bei dok gong, but size do matter on the world stage. -
Originally posted by Xprobe:
Singapore is an ally of US but we also have good ties with Iran which Bush branded as the Axis of evil an enemy of the United States.Neither has Singapore break off ties with the French who oppose the Iraqi war.
This "middleman" approach dont work for the current state of affairs. Like US, you are either with me or you are against me.
We can think that we are garang and intelligent and si bei dok gong, but size do matter on the world stage.[/b]
The guideline approach to diplomancy shd be in our own interest and principles. Like the Michael Fay incident or remarks by Habbie before, we need to stand our ground and not be at the beck and call of bigger countries.
Singapore has already made its stand over the lastest saga. The furore will die and we will ride out the storm soon. -
Originally posted by Eiizumi:
lanjiao !!! a portion of the billions is working in Geylang.....i had interviewed some of them and was told they are not disappointed over LHL's visit...instead they are disappointed when they have no customers......they say the billions are concerned over their stomachs......whether got food and money or not....
[b]Though it is understandable why China would behave this way. I don't think they should over-react by getting "angry", saying their billions of people are dissapointed.b] -
The party speaking on behalf of the people? Sounds familiar?
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This world is all about might and power. In the past China needs us but now it is the exact opposite. Not only S'pore, Asia's economy is very dependant on China since it is the strong demand from Chinese consumers that is driving economic growth around asia.(For example Japan. In the year 2003, China purchased 50% of japanese exports) China's political and economical clout is very big already so naturally China is becoming more vocal than ever before.
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We are all one-party nations.Originally posted by Xprobe:The party speaking on behalf of the people? Sounds familiar? -
Geez, how come singapore media (I checked) so mum on this issue, no sound at all?
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MFA was the ones who made his excuses for him...
(the Bear is suddenly seized by The Fear
)Originally posted by Aulf:Such sovereignty issues are very delicate .. dunno whether got consult MFA before he made the decision to go ... -
this sh1t was all over the news last night..Originally posted by Xprobe:Geez, how come singapore media (I checked) so mum on this issue, no sound at all?
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In my opinion, Taiwan will not unify with China. Taiwan leaders want independence, no?Originally posted by 2004Lancer:China and Taiwan also see beh stupid....just unify with China lor.....unify better than end up like Israel and Palestine ma.....some more got different type of babes to try.......KNN....see beh stupid............sia sway chinese....think singapore chinese more KIANG!!!! -
nope... taiwan leaders want whatever the hell it is that will get them votes...
from their actions, they'd rape their own grandmothers if it could secure them votes... and they'll do it without hesitationOriginally posted by tranquilice:In my opinion, Taiwan will not unify with China. Taiwan leaders want independence, no?