What So Big Deal About China
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you talk like a 3 year oldOriginally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Time to deploy our Macross and Mechwarriors + Winged Gundams
yeap our zoids oso...call them over to the Taiwan Straits..
Time to arm our neutron missiles and get our F-14 Macross which is armed with 4 ICBMs to fly over to south china sea
Umm lets see our Nuclear tipped Delta class frigates armed with frigates
The delta is protected by Aegis + Arrow system which US and Israel helped us to integrate together...OMG , and we got about 1000 Patriot III or should i say PAC III missiles...
Where's the StarShip Enterprise?
i believe we got a fleet of StarShips which is armed with proton beams and
high tech homing missiles with thriple laser cannons and a electronic forcefield someover over shanghai..
Did anyone reveal about our 1 million megaton nuclear bomb?
which is enough to blow up moon into pieces..
and oops did anyone mention about our...Alien aircraft which we got from ST??
Last time a alien craft crash landed at Sentosa while pple is having a party there , some pple thought they saw a piece of pizza there ...
i believe ST has just made a alien aircraft which has advanced alien-avionics
which allows us to go at 20Gs
and our heavily claded titanium super satellite armed with ion cannon over tiananmen square?
Hope u all didn't reveal our confidential data here! -
Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
blahblahblahblah look I know so much about wars!!!
LoL , True heard that a business by a singaporean company wasn't given a chance to promote itself...so sad....
Just because of something called "Pride" can dissolve friendship and money
LoL...i dunno if they got any KC-135 air tankers to project their power or any Aircraft carriers or foreign bases
all i know is that if they war taiwan in 2020...they will surely lose until like siao
They are lacking very much in foreign allies , if given a chance to take sides in the war...MORE countries will support USA compared to China cause USA will definitely be the winner
3 million PLA troops needs to be equipped with high technology weaponry, ST , being one of the biggest arms manufacturer in SEA , could effectively help the PLA to modernise and be the best.. US doesn't share weapon tech..only India and Russia share the same tech..
USA has a NGF plan for 2020..taiwan will get the YF-22 and the YF-35 which is going to have special capabilities
By the time 2020 comes , Aegis equipped tw destroyers and the US bases in KR and JP will be at their peak in strength
Haiz...im going to see more F-7 and J-10s being shot down over TW strait by YF-22 and YF-35...
and somemore China can't pre-empt or whatever...the US base is still too FAR to hit
Japan...if they secretly kept on building and did not lose WWII they would be 2 times stronger den China now..i believe
at WWII they already got Aircraft carriers to strike Pearl harbor..
China don't even have 1 operational AC to project force..
and 1 AC needs to be guarded by ...tons of ships and subs...
And furthermore...singapore got technology to build stealth boats..invisible to radar and missile ...haiz.........They are purposely doubting our intergrity.
If i were the leader , i would wait til 2050 den probably...peacefully reunify , purposely retaking would cause alot of damage for both sides..
US Has 10 Trillion Dollar Economy , where else CN has 1 Trillion Economy..
furthermore.. defense budget and research counts in alot..
1 F-22 if continuously equipped with missiles and with mid-air refuelling could down at least 5 J-10 jets
If CN really wanna take over TW , they should not ignore the sea...
SEA and the AIR is the most important followed by land..
At most they have got the israeli help....and
[b]CN armed forces
Have not seen any combat
Not proven like Russian MIGS or SU
No advanced technology
No Stealth
No force projection
High in numbers but small in hardware..
WAR games...lol...
give me a chance i rather take US Army..at least they have fought countless of battles and they know what to do..
LACKING in R&D (R&D is very very very crucial) [/b]
dumbass.
in the Korean war, the chinese forces had a draw with the US forces, (not really a draw cuz US was pushed back by the Chinese, but since no one officially won call it a draw) the US had high tech weaponary whereas the chinese, like u said, dont. so use your brain.
how can TW possibly win china? oh just because they have some US tech? what a joke. -
okie..be fair..i do believe taiwan cant win china..Originally posted by the.raven:blahblahblahblah look I know so much about wars!!!
dumbass.
in the Korean war, the chinese forces had a draw with the US forces, (not really a draw cuz US was pushed back by the Chinese, but since no one officially won call it a draw) the US had high tech weaponary whereas the chinese, like u said, dont. so use your brain.
how can TW possibly win china? oh just because they have some US tech? what a joke.
to u...china is big; so big until can interfare singapore gov; so big until can threat taiwan; so big until can blow US now; so big until condemn singapore so on.
who want to go china and take china passport..carry on.
dont forget..althought taiwan want independent..but they are still human,chinese... so strong..go and kill some USAF and jap..
i clap hand...go -
your post is so lame, its like some kid gets bullied and cant do anything but say"you jerk!! you suck!! you so strong go kill blahblahblah" as if that shows he is tough.Originally posted by Qkool:okie..be fair..i do believe taiwan cant win china..
to u...china is big; so big until can interfare singapore gov; so big until can threat taiwan; so big until can blow US now; so big until condemn singapore so on.
who want to go china and take china passport..carry on.
dont forget..althought taiwan want independent..but they are still human,chinese... so strong..go and kill some USAF and jap..
i clap hand...go
of course China can threaten Taiwan, if u got watch the news where it shows Taiwan political people speaking, you will know how immature and dumb they are by the things they say. but of course I dont support threatening Taiwan, because its just wasting money and time on some people not worth scaring. oh and since when is Taiwan your business?
why would China go kill some USAF? you are not funny, try harder. and China wont actually fare too badly against the USAF, just look at how many casualties US had fighting what vietnam and even the recent Iraq. -
taiwan ? let me tell u more about singapore history...of-cos if u are not a singaporean...taiwan is the 1st place who lend SAF to train there..and taiwanese really treat singapore xingguang very well..when no1 havent provide us with train ground at that time.Originally posted by the.raven:your post is so lame, its like some kid gets bullied and cant do anything but say"you jerk!! you suck!! you so strong go kill blahblahblah" as if that shows he is tough.
of course China can threaten Taiwan, if u got watch the news where it shows Taiwan political people speaking, you will know how immature and dumb they are by the things they say. but of course I dont support threatening Taiwan, because its just wasting money and time on some people not worth scaring. oh and since when is Taiwan your business?
why would China go kill some USAF? you are not funny, try harder. and China wont actually fare too badly against the USAF, just look at how many casualties US had fighting what vietnam and even the recent Iraq.
and xingguang is still in taiwan, SO IS TAIWAN NON OF SINGAPORE BUSINESE???
ya..i like kid.....the china spokeman dont look like KID..
or he look like hero to you then... -
what "china spokesman"??? LOL I dont know who looks like a hero to me, but I know your comment was kinda dumb.Originally posted by Qkool:taiwan ? let me tell u more about singapore history...of-cos if u are not a singaporean...taiwan is the 1st place who lend SAF to train there..and taiwanese really treat singapore xingguang very well..when no1 havent provide us with train ground at that time.
and xingguang is still in taiwan, SO IS TAIWAN NON OF SINGAPORE BUSINESE???
ya..i like kid.....the china spokeman dont look like KID..
or he look like hero to you then...
and so you are saying Singapore is a good friend of Taiwan but not China right? then still what u expect from China??? -
althought i not really a pro US..Originally posted by the.raven:blahblahblahblah look I know so much about wars!!!
dumbass.
in the Korean war, the chinese forces had a draw with the US forces, (not really a draw cuz US was pushed back by the Chinese, but since no one officially won call it a draw) the US had high tech weaponary whereas the chinese, like u said, dont. so use your brain.
how can TW possibly win china? oh just because they have some US tech? what a joke.
but i ask u, at that time..who have nuclear other then US?
and do china have any firecracker to shoot to US mainland?
pls wake up ur big china's dream..and think china is unbeatable. -
I where got say China is unbeatable? of course China is beatable in the past China was beaten by western powers and also Japan. I was giving example to prove the guy wrong. that "US technology" is not unbeatable. wake up from your "I dont know what you just said but I'll say some crap anyways" dream. oh and btw, Russia also got nuclear bomb.Originally posted by Qkool:althought i not really a pro US..
but i ask u, at that time..who have nuclear other then US?
and do china have any firecracker to shoot to US mainland?
pls wake up ur big china's dream..and think china is unbeatable.
and so what if US got nuclear bomb? at that time there was no missiles. and besides, using nukes is the dumbest thing a country can do, no? -
u should expect when china going to issues u a china passport/Originally posted by the.raven:what "china spokesman"??? LOL I dont know who looks like a hero to me, but I know your comment was kinda dumb.
and so you are saying Singapore is a good friend of Taiwan but not China right? then still what u expect from China???
or maybe u already is china man.. -
war(korea) already is dumbest thing to do with the US and china.Originally posted by the.raven:I where got say China is unbeatable? of course China is beatable in the past China was beaten by western powers and also Japan. I was giving example to prove the guy wrong. that "US technology" is not unbeatable. wake up from your "I dont know what you just said but I'll say some crap anyways" dream. oh and btw, Russia also got nuclear bomb. and so what if US got nuclear bomb? at that time there was no missiles. and besides, using nukes is the dumbest thing a country can do, no?
and dont mind by doing another thing more stupid by droping nukes.. -
Originally posted by Qkool:war(korea) already is dumbest thing to do with the US and china.
and dont mind by doing another thing more stupid by droping nukes..
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Pls dont waste ur time to quarrel with those naive child, he know nothing except Bad things about china! If all singaporean are like him, singapore is over!Originally posted by the.raven:I where got say China is unbeatable? of course China is beatable in the past China was beaten by western powers and also Japan. I was giving example to prove the guy wrong. that "US technology" is not unbeatable. wake up from your "I dont know what you just said but I'll say some crap anyways" dream. oh and btw, Russia also got nuclear bomb. and so what if US got nuclear bomb? at that time there was no missiles. and besides, using nukes is the dumbest thing a country can do, no? -
the.raven i was trying to be sacastic lol
you didn't get my joke lol
anyway who read my post who have know that its fake la
if singapore all those type of technology ...would be 10 times stronger den US liao..
I still believe US technology with the new fangled YF-22 and YF-35 is better den J-10 and F-7
im saying this once and i'll say it again
someday taiwan will get aegis and someday they will integrate
Israel Arrow and USA Aegis and PAC III Land based + Satellites which can detect missile launch.
They got less den a hundred warheads..
AEGIS IS CAPABLE OF ENGAGING 100 targets at 1 time..
that means if even if u fire all at 1 time oso no use..
u fire 100 missiles..they fire 100 PAC III back at you.
Anti missile missile technology will only get better
That warship cost 1 billion USD leh ^.^
Don't tell me that a F-22 , in which US has spent billions in development
is weaker den a J-10 .
USA's defense spending is almost like 360 + BILLION USD
CN's one is only 50 billion
To catch up they must spend more den 360 billion
which means about 400 billion and work out alot of new strategies
and make more allies and friends and partnership..
400 billion is about 40% of thier GDP and furthermore USA's defense spending is expected to reach 500 billion
don't forget 1.4 billion pple to support and the space programme is on hold
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if they use 50% of thier GDP on warfare probably they might win in 2020..
50% of GDP used is very dangerous...North Korea spends about 30% of GDP and see what happen? No development of cities..no development of roads
transportation and health care
USA got unconventional weapons...1.4 billion pple just use 1 chemical missile to spread due to high population density...got bio, chem and nuclear..
thats why SG is spending so much on bio, chem research now
my bet is 2050...wait for the old loyals to leave first and new brains to take over..den take 20 years to implement new strats!
den finally can catch up with USA..
China's Economy is 1 trillion USD of worth
whereelse USA is 10 trillion....
Don't forget if CN's economy can expand..so can USA...
My bet of a full scare war between USA and CN to only limited to the SEA and AIR ...
i doubt USA to have superiority over the land cause they don't wanna risk 3 million PLA troops..LoL....their 12 CSGS keep on launching aircraft
12 CSGS = more then 1k aircraft on sorties..
USA will stick to places where they have tech superiority ..sea and air..
as for land...cn got numerous amount of troops so they won't move in..
most likely to cripple?
Anyway since Cold war ...US has always been ready for a super power war..
i expect China's defense to cripple in 1 month during a full scale attack..
during iraq war..they oso dun need 12 CSGS to conquer..LOL...
last time at most send 3 - 4 CSG...
Anyway the only way i think possible is Kamikaze... Cause US Carriers got 1 defensive range..that means no aircraft is to pass thru like 500 km within them...unless u use unconventional way..that means using a satellite..to launch a laser beam at them..but then..ley ..USA got military planes which can intercept satellites..nah probably china would have to ally a alien force and build ..saucers which have force field to fight F-22 -
He should go and read TalkingCock.com..Boy would he be so aghast and horrified.Then again I'm not surprised with the quality of posts he's been churning out.
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Ahem do u really think that US would really want to go to war with china for whatever reason in the first place? In case u don't know, America is one of the most indebted country in the world with more than 7 trillion dollars in debt? The war in Iraq had already caused US so much money and lifes, can u imagine how much it will cost the US if it goes to war with china? China ain't no Iraq or Yugoslavia. Secondly one must not forget the fact that China has nuclear weapons capable of hitting cities in west coast of America. Thirdly China owns billions of dollars of US T-Bills thus influencing the mortgage value in the USA so much so that even US Treasury Secretary John Snow has to travel to Beijing to beg chinese leaders to re-evaluate the Yuan dollar in order to save US economy. Look at the growing influence China has on the US. Lastly if u look at recent history, China despite having a backward and ragtag army(virtually no air force) managed to hold the US to a draw in Korean War. Some might argue that they have beaten the US.
I can't help but burst out in laughter when I actually hear people talk about US coming to Taiwan's aid.
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what i already say ,i dont want to write again..but go back to korean time,if US went mad by china..who have nukes at that time?Originally posted by Blueray:Ahem do u really think that US would really want to go to war with china for whatever reason in the first place? In case u don't know, America is one of the most indebted country in the world with more than 7 trillion dollars in debt? The war in Iraq had already caused US so much money and lifes, can u imagine how much it will cost the US if it goes to war with china? China ain't no Iraq or Yugoslavia. Secondly one must not forget the fact that China has nuclear weapons capable of hitting cities in west coast of America. Thirdly China owns billions of dollars of US T-Bills thus influencing the mortgage value in the USA so much so that even US Treasury Secretary John Snow has to travel to Beijing to beg chinese leaders to re-evaluate the Yuan dollar in order to save US economy. Look at the growing influence China has on the US. Lastly if u look at recent history, China despite having a backward and ragtag army(virtually no air force) managed to hold the US to a draw in Korean War. Some might argue that they have beaten the US.
I can't help but burst out in laughter when I actually hear people talk about US coming to Taiwan's aid.
sorry i dont know how to write pro english for economy,but i will like to say,US and the whole world dont own china. i do believe the US treasury have ask china to control the value of YUAN ,but from what u say 'BEG' china...hahaha
or maybe to ur eye,singapore and US now is a begger from china..
US and sg : pls china daddy...give some sh_it for me to eat....
wtf ...what if singapore use military to close down all ship to china and all export from china(dont be naive that you think china have the oversea war troop now,if u do...U damn navie)..ah-ha ..maybe the silk road can help abit then.. -
Why would S'pore want to block ships and exports going to and from china in the first place?Originally posted by Qkool:what i already say ,i dont want to write again..but go back to korean time,if US went mad by china..who have nukes at that time?
sorry i dont know how to write pro english for economy,but i will like to say,US and the whole world dont own china. i do believe the US treasury have ask china to control the value of YUAN ,but from what u say 'BEG' china...hahaha
or maybe to ur eye,singapore and US now is a begger from china..
US and sg : pls china daddy...give some sh_it for me to eat....
wtf ...what if singapore use military to close down all ship to china and all export from china(dont be naive that you think china have the oversea war troop now,if u do...U damn navie)..ah-ha ..maybe the silk road can help abit then..
The truth is S'pore and asia is indeed very dependant on china. for example Japan. In the year 2003, Chinese consumers bought 50% of Japanese exports. It is this strong demand that is driving Japanese economic growth. Why do u think PAP likes to suck up to China so much? -
i'm glad u say in this form...by no more using we begging..US begging..Originally posted by Blueray:Why would S'pore want to block ships and exports going to and from china in the first place?
The truth is S'pore and asia is indeed very dependant on china. for example Japan. In the year 2003, Chinese consumers bought 50% of Japanese exports. It is this strong demand that is driving Japanese economic growth. Why do u think PAP likes to suck up to China so much?
(sorry if i say hard word,cos i dont really like ur "begging' )
PAP suck up with china is because we dont want to miss out in new growing market so large.. just dont want to left out . yes,jap econ recover mianly due to china ..from exporting car and SONY etc..but to us,we dont have those product to sell china yet..so china market dont really big impect for us.
some mroe,do u know,nowaday country have consider longer for investing china?
1>china dont have proper law to protect their product. the 'fan ban' so high in asia also because pull down from china.
2>china govt like to copy itself..'little blue pill'. want sex but like to steal.
china prepare to cancel the copyright of the pill.
3>china food , i also dont remember how many poison food they want to export ..
4>alway ask for more. but what they do? weapon? weapon? spaceship.
more......tell later -
I realli dot know how to describle ppl like you! Just hope u can read one more time what u just wrote! Since u prefer to be a frog in the well, nobody will stop you! just have u colorful dream in the well forever!Originally posted by Qkool:i'm glad u say in this form...by no more using we begging..US begging..
(sorry if i say hard word,cos i dont really like ur "begging' )
PAP suck up with china is because we dont want to miss out in new growing market so large.. just dont want to left out . yes,jap econ recover mianly due to china ..from exporting car and SONY etc..but to us,we dont have those product to sell china yet..so china market dont really big impect for us.
some mroe,do u know,nowaday country have consider longer for investing china?
1>china dont have proper law to protect their product. the 'fan ban' so high in asia also because pull down from china.
2>china govt like to copy itself..'little blue pill'. want sex but like to steal.
china prepare to cancel the copyright of the pill.
3>china food , i also dont remember how many poison food they want to export ..
4>alway ask for more. but what they do? weapon? weapon? spaceship.
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yea...very empty again..keep saying me as frog...well done.Originally posted by zjw007:I realli dot know how to describle ppl like you! Just hope u can read one more time what u just wrote! Since u prefer to be a frog in the well, nobody will stop you! just have u colorful dream in the well forever! -
Huh? Look down on China? Are we still living in the 80s where china is so poor and backwards? Only study in S'pore? In case u don't know, there are countless China students studying in top american, Japanese and european universities. Don't u know that countries all over the world are trying to woo China tourists as they are now the biggest spenders wherever they go. Look at this articles to see what I am talking about:Originally posted by BaByBoY:however i feel that one thing that we as singaporeans can do for ourselves is to expolit them..
go China ..
and make farking big buck
and carry on looking down on them
since they brand us as arrogant
we muz live up to the name..
don tink that china ppl bery smart themselves
their best students only studies in sg
our best students study in number 1 uni int the world
don say i look down on them
they deserved it
same goes to indonesia and malaysia
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/features/2003/2003-01-12-hawaii-china.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3269937.stm
In fact standard of living in China's top cities is so good that we are seeing a growing trend of Taiwanese emigrating to the mainland. The bottom line is we got to realise China is no longer the backwater nation it once was. -
ha..let discussion about this topic..Originally posted by Blueray:Huh? Look down on China? Are we still living in the 80s where china is so poor and backwards? Only study in S'pore? In case u don't know, there are countless China students studying in top american, Japanese and european universities. Don't u know that countries all over the world are trying to woo China tourists as they are now the biggest spenders wherever they go. Look at this articles to see what I am talking about:
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/features/2003/2003-01-12-hawaii-china.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3269937.stm
In fact standard of living in China's top cities is so good that we are seeing a growing trend of Taiwanese emigrating to the mainland. The bottom line is we got to realise China is no longer the backwater nation it once was.
china top cities, so many top student...
so,any good law to protect prodect right?
do u know in china mainland...(no offence if u dont go there before)
cant log in CNN ,BBC,jap URL ,taiwan URL etc? what so good if student so top?
do u see there are 'wu jing' bully the chinese like 2 week 1 time from only what i see in my eye(sure more).
u will not believe in this china top city ahve happen... tons of chinaman and some singaporean(singaporean dont really gether too much) who i know dont believe in china brand FOOD?
we have to buy our own pill to china...even the china man dont believe their local pill...
do u see a group of robber smoking with 'wu jing'?
from what i know and see..malaysia safety is better than china.. -
I have lived in China for a few years and I never had any problems with security issues. Just what are u talking about? Your English is becoming more and more difficult to understand.... Where I stayed I get to watch CNN freely. One fine example: I visited Urumchi, provincial capital of Xinjiang years ago. I stayed in hotel and I remembered I watched a CNN broadcast of then Governer Patten's arrival in HongKong. the content of the broadcast was extremely anti-chinese but it was broadcast without interruption.Originally posted by Qkool:ha..let discussion about this topic..
china top cities, so many top student...
so,any good law to protect prodect right?
do u know in china mainland...(no offence if u dont go there before)
cant log in CNN ,BBC,jap URL ,taiwan URL etc? what so good if student so top?
do u see there are 'wu jing' bully the chinese like 2 week 1 time from only what i see in my eye(sure more).
u will not believe in this china top city ahve happen... tons of chinaman and some singaporean(singaporean dont really gether too much) who i know dont believe in china brand FOOD?
we have to buy our own pill to china...even the china man dont believe their local pill...
do u see a group of robber smoking with 'wu jing'?
from what i know and see..malaysia safety is better than china..
One simple question to u: if China is so bad and repressive like u said, why are there more and more Taiwanese emigrating to China? Taiwan is supposed to be a democracy. Why would they want to emigrate to a land where there are no freedom and human rights? Pls take some time to read this article to see what I am talking about:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A14284-2001Apr27?language=printer -
On one hand you may be right about CNN broadcasts in Urumqi..however, what do you make of the PRC trying to stem dissent on the mobile text messaging network?Sounds like a case of double standards practised by the little princes up in Beijing.China is naive in thinking it can control the information that reaches its people.There are groups out there who actively researcg ways and means to circumvent state proxies in order for the citizenry to have access to basic sites such as Google and blogsites.
CNN showed Governor Patten's handover ceremony eh?Why do you think they showed it unfettered?It's because they want the world to think that they have "matured" and big in front of the UK.Its a show, a very hollow one which they put on when they need FDI but turn around when they deal with their own populace. -
i think we singaporean should stop looking down on china. afterall we are chinese. it the china top foreign policy to uphold one china policy. let forget about who wrong who fault during the internal war between communist and Koumingdang. in fact we singapore always follow what big player in the world are doing. it is also our govt foreign policy to always supporting the one china policy. when our DPM lee make visit to taiwan, it only natural that china make abit of hoohar. even G bush aides vist taiwan , china also make hoohar. in fact i think why DPM need to visit taiwan before his official run in to be PM of our country. he should consider china reaction. if he need to settle some issue in taiwan, he can ask his minister to go instead to lower the profile of the visit.
moreover, blame it on taiwan media, they stir up as if, singapore going to battle together with taiwan against china.
like it or not, we have to look up to china soon. only those woman in singapore from china are spoiling the image of chinese ppl. just like we look up to angmo in our country, because the good from western country are in singapore while the bad eggs from china are exported to singapore.